Author Topic: Investing During Market Dip vs. Saving for House Renovation Costs  (Read 897 times)

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Hello fellow Mustachians,

I'm facing a bit of a financial dilemma and would appreciate some collective wisdom.

Current situation:
  • €175k invested in an all-world ETF (down from €220k a few months ago)
  • ~€10k in cash earning 1.75% interest
  • Currently extremely low monthly expenses of ~€500 for everything (which allowed me to have so little cash)

The dilemma:
I'll likely inherit a house with a garden either this year or next. While I very much want to live there (despite it not being the most financially optimal choice), it will require:

  • A new kitchen
  • New flooring in at least one room
  • Possibly a new heating system
  • Higher ongoing costs than my current living situation

I've been investing approximately €2,500 monthly in ETFs. However, with anticipated housing expenses on the horizon, I'm considering pausing these investments to build up more cash reserves.

My thought process:
On the one hand, the ETF is currently "on sale" compared to when I bought in, so it seems like the perfect time to invest more of my cash and continue regular investments from my income.

On the other hand, I'll need cash for these house renovations soon, and my expenses will increase once I move.

It feels strange to have invested heavily when the market was high, only to stop now when prices have dropped - but is holding cash the more reasonable approach given my upcoming house expenses? After writing this, I feel like I know the answer: I (most likely) have large-ish expense coming up in the near future. Thus, I shouldn't lock my money up in an ETF. But I still want to gather your opinions:

What would you do in my situation? Keep investing or build up the cash reserves?

Thanks for your insights!

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Re: Investing During Market Dip vs. Saving for House Renovation Costs
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2025, 03:52:24 AM »
With higher ongoing expenses, you'll probably need a larger emergency fund. And Emergency fund should be prioritized over investments. So, you may be stopping or reducing investment to build up cash reserves anyway.

The only thing that I'd ask is how much (if any) of the renovation work is "need" vs "want"? Anything in the "want" category could probably be delayed and paid for with cash flow over time so that you could continue to invest the difference.

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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2025, 09:55:00 AM »
With higher ongoing expenses, you'll probably need a larger emergency fund. And Emergency fund should be prioritized over investments. So, you may be stopping or reducing investment to build up cash reserves anyway.

The only thing that I'd ask is how much (if any) of the renovation work is "need" vs "want"? Anything in the "want" category could probably be delayed and paid for with cash flow over time so that you could continue to invest the difference.

I agree with this 100%. Kitchen renovations are rarely required, and doing a few high-impact upgrades can make a huge improvement in an old kitchen. A new-to-you refrigerator, brighter lighting, fresh paint, and new cabinet hardware are all easy to DIY and not too expensive. I don't know how it is in the UK, but I have had really good luck checking the used markets in rich areas with newly constructed homes for lightly-used items.

One room of flooring can be DIY over the course of a week or two even for a novice. Sometimes, though, it is worth getting a quote from an installer. If you aren't picky about colors, they might be able to cut you a deal on material and installation that is similar to the price of material alone at a store. I have had good luck with this at locally-owned shops installing glue-down Luxury Vinyl Planks (LVP). They may have a big corporate client that is buying whole truckloads of one pattern, and you can get the same quantity discount by asking the right questions.

A new heating system can be required in some situations, but maybe you can delay it 6 months until it starts to get cold again in Autumn. Though, it would be worth keeping an eye on heat pump (mini split?) prices in your region. Chinese sellers might drop prices to keep selling units to the rest of the world if/when the US tariffs kick in. I don't recommend counting on that happening, but it's worth watching for deals.

All that said, the reason we save money and make financial sacrifices is to improve happiness overall. Only you and your family can ultimately decide what is worth spending money on at the expense of a later retirement or suboptimal finances.

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Re: Investing During Market Dip vs. Saving for House Renovation Costs
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2025, 11:19:20 AM »
You're both right—I may have overestimated the "need" side of the equation relative to the "want" part.

That said, I do think there's a strong case for some of these upgrades, even if they technically fall under "wants." The current kitchen layout is genuinely awkward: a large section juts into the middle of the room, and combined with the door placement, it makes the space hard to use efficiently. For example, I can only fit a small table, which is limiting since I often have friends over. So while redesigning the kitchen is certainly a "want," it's one that would significantly improve how I use the space day to day.

Same goes for the flooring. I've never done anything like that before, but I'm motivated to learn and do it myself. It’s not urgent, but it’s a manageable project that could add both comfort and experience—and doesn't have to be expensive, thanks for hinting to that.

As for the heating: there's no immediate need to replace the current gas system — it still works fine. But the house is from the 18th century (renovated in 2000), with thick stone walls and vaulted arches. It’s beautiful, but not exactly energy-efficient. The high thermal mass could be an asset if used well, but the main room (kitchen + living) has a ceiling over 4 meters high, which makes heating especially inefficient. That, combined with ecological concerns, is what got me thinking about a heat pump. And if I go that route, underfloor heating seems like a logical step to make the system work efficiently.

So perhaps the most balanced approach in the short term is to split my surplus income — continue investing while also building up a solid emergency and renovation fund. I still need to determine what a reasonable target for that fund should be. In the medium to long term, the plan could be to move into the house and tackle upgrades step by step, starting with what’s most impactful or time-sensitive. That should give me the flexibility to adapt as I go, without compromising too much on either financial security or quality of life.

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Re: Investing During Market Dip vs. Saving for House Renovation Costs
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2025, 02:01:59 PM »
I think there is a difference between "awkward" layout and "unusable" or "health hazard" kitchen. I would totally remediate any health hazards or things that blatantly don't work (e.g. if there is no heating in the house or plumbing is leaking).

However, I would delay any renovations until you live in the house for a couple of years and see what you actually need. That may change from what you are imagining right now. You might discover that location doesn't work for you. Or that neighbours are absolute pricks. Or that instead of a new kitchen you need to prioritize something else.

As such, I would have an emergency fund for things that are absolutely horribly wrong but delay all the "improvements" or cosmetic renovations for a couple of years and invest in the meantime.

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Re: Investing During Market Dip vs. Saving for House Renovation Costs
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2025, 05:50:23 PM »
I think there is a difference between "awkward" layout and "unusable" or "health hazard" kitchen. I would totally remediate any health hazards or things that blatantly don't work (e.g. if there is no heating in the house or plumbing is leaking).

However, I would delay any renovations until you live in the house for a couple of years and see what you actually need. That may change from what you are imagining right now. You might discover that location doesn't work for you. Or that neighbours are absolute pricks. Or that instead of a new kitchen you need to prioritize something else.

As such, I would have an emergency fund for things that are absolutely horribly wrong but delay all the "improvements" or cosmetic renovations for a couple of years and invest in the meantime.
I completely agree. I have owned and renovated about a dozen houses. The results are almost always better if you live in the space before you make any large renovations. Renew the paint, flooring and fix what's broken, sure, but everything else will be better for the wait. We have lived in our current home for over ten years and are just now starting to make some changes, other than minor ones at the beginning.


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Re: Investing During Market Dip vs. Saving for House Renovation Costs
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2025, 03:10:18 PM »
Thanks for all the thoughtful replies so far! I really appreciate the practical advice about distinguishing between “needs” and “wants,” and the suggestion to live in the house for a while before making big renovation decisions makes a lot of sense.

Since the house is from the 18th century, I’m also curious: what are your thoughts or experiences with living in an old house, especially when it comes to energy efficiency? The thick stone walls and high ceilings are beautiful, but the insulation is pretty poor, and heating such a space seems like it could get expensive fast. For those who’ve lived in similar homes, how much of a challenge is it day-to-day? Did you find ways to make it more comfortable or affordable, or did the inefficiency become a dealbreaker over time?

Would love to hear your perspectives—both the good and the bad!

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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2025, 03:39:53 PM »
Thanks for all the thoughtful replies so far! I really appreciate the practical advice about distinguishing between “needs” and “wants,” and the suggestion to live in the house for a while before making big renovation decisions makes a lot of sense.

Since the house is from the 18th century, I’m also curious: what are your thoughts or experiences with living in an old house, especially when it comes to energy efficiency? The thick stone walls and high ceilings are beautiful, but the insulation is pretty poor, and heating such a space seems like it could get expensive fast. For those who’ve lived in similar homes, how much of a challenge is it day-to-day? Did you find ways to make it more comfortable or affordable, or did the inefficiency become a dealbreaker over time?

Would love to hear your perspectives—both the good and the bad!

My house is not nearly that old -- built in the 1940's with a 2nd floor addition in the early 2000's, but here's my approximate timeline:

Bought in 2019
Immediately did an energy audit, followed by insulation and air sealing
Next installed a high efficiency combination on demand water heater / boiler (forced hot water heat)
Installed solar in early 2020 under a solid state incentive plan
Covid - renovated kitchen (new cabinets/counter/island/appliances) and living room (new wall/ceiling drywall, new floor, removed fireplace) - recessed lighting in both rooms
I forget when, but around that time we did super minor bathroom renovations that updated the feel notably - replaced a toilet, replaced a vanity, replaced a mirror, and stripped wallpaper in favor of paint.

From there it was pretty much smooth sailing for a few years - now that our roommate has moved out (we were renting the whole second floor), we're now talking about redoing the floors up there (carpet / tile -> LVP), and potentially doing some bigger bathroom renovations.

What I've learned though is it's often possible to do some small / affordable changes at 10-20% of the cost of a full renovation, and gain 50-80% of the functionality.  For example - I'd really love to expand two of my bathrooms by three feet (into adjoining closet space) so they aren't so cramped. However, I've also found I could instead install shallower sinks and replace a jetted tub (deep/wide) with a shower, maybe getting 4-6" of depth back - that plus a couple inches in shallower sink will buy me 6-8" of extra space in the middle of the bathroom, with a LOT less work than moving walls around.

tldr: prioritize energy efficiency as that'll pay you back over the long haul, then find the least cost / most impact solutions going forward.  I am a big proponent of fixing what you know is 100% needing to be done as soon as you can, so you get to enjoy the benefit for longer (vs fixing everything before you sell and move out).

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Re: Investing During Market Dip vs. Saving for House Renovation Costs
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2025, 04:19:07 PM »
With higher ongoing expenses, you'll probably need a larger emergency fund. And Emergency fund should be prioritized over investments.

Disagree.  10K in cash with 175K in liquid assets should get you through any emergency.   The key to comfort in an emergency is having lots of money.  It is harder to get there with big cash drag on your portfolio.   

To the OP:  Your instincts are right.  If you have predictable expenses coming up, you should be saving cash.   The market goes up and down, no one knows which way or when.   

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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2025, 03:41:23 AM »
With higher ongoing expenses, you'll probably need a larger emergency fund. And Emergency fund should be prioritized over investments.

Disagree.  10K in cash with 175K in liquid assets should get you through any emergency.   The key to comfort in an emergency is having lots of money.  It is harder to get there with big cash drag on your portfolio.   

To the OP:  Your instincts are right.  If you have predictable expenses coming up, you should be saving cash.   The market goes up and down, no one knows which way or when.

The investment order puts emergency fund as step 0. I don't think it's unwise to have a larger E fund as a homeowner than you might as a renter. The specific number might vary of course, but lots of people here talk about having 6-12 months worth of expenses in an e-fund of some sort.

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Re: Investing During Market Dip vs. Saving for House Renovation Costs
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2025, 08:35:53 AM »
Getting an objective assessment of your house and whether or not to make any changes for energy efficiency would be good before spending money on a heating system.

In the US (or at least California) your natural gas or electricity company will do an energy audit of your house and recommend energy efficiency improvements. I would figure out who in your area provide a similar service before making any plans about touching heating systems.

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« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2025, 10:06:20 AM »
The investment order puts emergency fund as step 0. I don't think it's unwise to have a larger E fund as a homeowner than you might as a renter. The specific number might vary of course, but lots of people here talk about having 6-12 months worth of expenses in an e-fund of some sort.

And it wisely says establish an emergency fund "to your satisfaction."   Let's say you are satisfied with $50K e-fund and coincidently have a $50K emergency this afternoon.   Does it matter if the money is in the form of cash or in a brokerage account?  Not a bit (except for possibly taxes, but we'll neglect those for now).

Ah!  But the market could drop at any point, so if we're preparing for a future $50K emergency, $50K in a brokerage account might not be there.  So $50K in cash then?  Not necessarily.    If you had $50K in brokerage account and $23k in cash, you'd still have $50K in the event of both an emergency and a 40% market drop at the same time.   

My point is that an emergency fund doesn't have to all be in cash, it just has to be liquid.  Over the last 50 years, the market has ended up for the year 78% of the time.  Putting a lot of resources into trying to defend against a market drop is betting against yourself. 

I agree that as a homeowner you will more commonly have irregular expenses, like the water heater going out and therefore it makes sense to have more sufficient cash on hand than you would as an apartment dweller.   But the water heater going out is not an emergency.   That's predictable, but irregular expense. 

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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2025, 10:13:43 AM »
The investment order puts emergency fund as step 0. I don't think it's unwise to have a larger E fund as a homeowner than you might as a renter. The specific number might vary of course, but lots of people here talk about having 6-12 months worth of expenses in an e-fund of some sort.

And it wisely says establish an emergency fund "to your satisfaction."   Let's say you are satisfied with $50K e-fund and coincidently have a $50K emergency this afternoon.   Does it matter if the money is in the form of cash or in a brokerage account?  Not a bit (except for possibly taxes, but we'll neglect those for now).

Ah!  But the market could drop at any point, so if we're preparing for a future $50K emergency, $50K in a brokerage account might not be there.  So $50K in cash then?  Not necessarily.    If you had $50K in brokerage account and $23k in cash, you'd still have $50K in the event of both an emergency and a 40% market drop at the same time.   

My point is that an emergency fund doesn't have to all be in cash, it just has to be liquid.  Over the last 50 years, the market has ended up for the year 78% of the time.  Putting a lot of resources into trying to defend against a market drop is betting against yourself. 

I agree that as a homeowner you will more commonly have irregular expenses, like the water heater going out and therefore it makes sense to have more sufficient cash on hand than you would as an apartment dweller.   But the water heater going out is not an emergency.   That's predictable, but irregular expense.

I made no mention of cash holdings in my posts. I just said that I can understand why a homeowner might opt for a larger E Fund, and as such it could make sense to defer other investments to build that E Fund up to an amount (and vehicle) deemed appropriate.

The only time I mentioned cash, referred to gradually saving for "wants" so that investments could continue.
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« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2025, 11:26:06 AM »
I made no mention of cash holdings in my posts. I just said that I can understand why a homeowner might opt for a larger E Fund, and as such it could make sense to defer other investments to build that E Fund up to an amount (and vehicle) deemed appropriate.

The only time I mentioned cash, referred to gradually saving for "wants" so that investments could continue.

I may have misunderstood you, because you seemed to be equating cash and emergency funds.

With higher ongoing expenses, you'll probably need a larger emergency fund. And Emergency fund should be prioritized over investments. So, you may be stopping or reducing investment to build up cash reserves anyway.

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« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2025, 11:33:03 AM »
Yes, older houses are less energy efficient, but at the same time it can be hard to add insulation. I don't know what challenges you would have with stone, but me and my frame house I quite literally CAN'T use the most common types of insulation without rotting out my walls. So, you need to find the internet forum or source that has the accumulated knowledge of what works and what doesn't for that kind of structure. Hint: if it's largely US based, it won't help you. That includes this site.

Likewise, there's a laundry list of small things that I could give you that will help with energy efficiency in a frame house. I have no idea what portion of it would be applicable to your house. Again, you need to find a UK/European resource.

As for the kitchen - live with it for now. Yes it's awkward but you also can cook food in it. You like to have friends over and that's fine, just don't hang out in the kitchen.

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« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2025, 01:30:54 PM »
You've jumped past the key first step of the analysis:  how does the new house affect your FIRE plans?  Even without upgrades, a house is going to be more expensive than an apartment, and an old one even moreso.  Would you be buying a house if you weren't going to get this one?  If you planned to buy a house, would you buy this one?  Getting a "free" property is fantastic, but you shouldn't let it change your long-term plans, and it doesn't convert an unaffordable lifestyle into an affordable one. 

Your baseline option is to sell the house and then use the proceeds toward your life goals.  Maybe that's hitting FIRE as quickly as possible; in that case, the money goes into investments.  OTOH, if your life goals have always included owning a home, and this one suits you, and you can afford the ongoing costs, then congrats!  Keep the house, check that goal off your list.

Fundamentally, I think of owning a home as a consumption decision.  Sure, there is long-term value there that many consumer goods don't have -- but in order to realize that value, you actually have to sell the home, which most of us don't want to do.  Most of us buy homes because we want nice places to live.  And when you're already living somewhere reasonable, any money you spend above that figure is luxury spending.*  So evaluate the new home from that perspective:  how much more will it cost than you are currently spending, how much will it improve your life, and is the increase in luxury worth that increase in cost?

The first thing you need to do is figure out what your ongoing homeownership costs will be -- not the remodel, but taxes, maintenance, electricity/heat, periodic roof replacements, changes in commute costs, etc.  Make sure that fits within your budget.  If you're lucky and are paying a lot in rent, it could even save you money, which would be awesome -- but don't just assume that.  Do the research, do the math.

Assuming it fits within your budget, the next step is to take a second look at your EF and decide whether you're still comfortable with that current level.  For example, if you decided that you want your EF to cover 3 months of expenses, and those expenses go up, then the EF needs to go up as well.  That money needs to be put away first, preferably before you're in the house. 

Once you have the EF squared away, you need to go back to your larger financial plan.  How many years do you have until you want to FIRE?  How much $$$ will you need to put away each month to stay on track?  Ideally, that amount will go into your long-term investments, and you can use any extra to save up for home repairs.  Of course, for most of us, we don't make enough money to both stay on the original FIRE plan and pay for major home renovations.  So if you're in that situation, look at how a variety of scenarios will affect your FIRE date -- then decide what balance is right for you.  Maybe you can do the renovations in full if you're willing to push back FIRE 10 years.  If that's too long, then maybe you can space out the renos, or DIY more, or cut back the scope of the plans, and extend your FIRE date only 7 years, or 5, or 2.  The point is to do the analysis yourself and figure out what compromise feels right for you.

Old houses:  yeah, they can be expensive.  If I were you, I'd get a full home inspection, as if you were buying the property.  The last thing you want to do is move into this great gift that needs $100K in foundation repairs and a new roof.  And if someone is living there, you should be able to get information about what their utility bills are.  You can also research options your local utility may have to improve energy efficiency, cut the costs on installing solar, or whatever else you can find. 

From my experience, the issue is less with insulation than it is with sealing the sills and joists and such.  We have an old house, and we injected insulation into the walls, but the floors on both the first and second floors were always cold as ice in winter, because that kind of blown-in insulation can't fill the gaps and cracks you get in the sills (same thing around windows, btw).  We got "lucky" (and I put that in quotes because "lucky" = house fire that made us take the house down to the studs) and had to do re-siding and new drywall, and so we added foam insulation and house wrap and made a point of sealing every gap we could find.  But that's not something that's easy to do with a fully-functioning house.  What you can do is get an IR camera (I think there's even a phone app) and go around looking for cold spots in winter, then tackle those one by one to see if you can seal them up somehow, either from the inside or outside.

*To be clear:  there's not a damn thing wrong with luxury spending.  All of us do it in one way or another.  The point is to recognize it for what it is, vs. trying to rationalize it as a "need," or as a "great investment opportunity," or some other story we use to justify doing what we wanted to do anyway.