How to negotiate if the job ad includes the $ upfront?

[stashgrower]

The job is quoted at an hourly rate range. Is it reasonable to try discussing figures beyond the range or should I aim squarely for the top end?

Assume I'm qualified for the position etc. My last job paid more than the high end of this range, so my $ goal is to better that. The job is in a different sector with comparable skills.

Extra info: The job has non-dollar niceties, e.g. possibility of telecommuting. Benefits unknown, ignore this. Factoring travel time, the telecommute option makes up for the lower rate but no more. I like missing peak hour :)

What are your opinions on whether it's ok to negotiate above the stated range? Or would you count your MMM blessings and take the lifestyle bonus instead of a rate increase?

[Vindicated]

Be upfront about what you need to make the job appealing.  If you need $5/hr more than their top to make it work, say that.  You might just get it.

Perhaps there are some questions like this online from Liz Ryan or AskaManager though.  Did you try checking those?

[FrugalFisherman10]

This sounds like a great chance to use the ol' phrase "That being said..."

i.e., after they've gotten to know you a little bit through interviews etc., and ask you a question that you could segue into a brief discussion on $.

"I would like to work for you guys for all the below reasons..blah blah blah..and am excited to potentially take this on. That being said I wanted to address compensation up front... that I am looking for something higher than the range you state, and feel my qualifications support that"

see where it goes. If you feel you can command more money then I definitely think it's worth asking for more

[sisto]

You could also consider asking about advancement opportunities or if the pay could increase after a trial 90 days of proving yourself.

[HappierAtHome]

Is it government? If it's government, there's no negotiation and you start at the bottom of that range and slowly increase within it each year of your employment.

Sorry if you already know that - I can't remember if you've worked for the government before.

[stashgrower]

Thanks, Vindicated, helps with the re-think. I didn't know about Liz Ryan, will check her out and also take another squizz at AAM.

FF10, I like the "that being said line". It's a nice way to acknowledge the situation and then add thoughts.

sisto, yes, I wondered if that might help smooth the way.

Happier, thanks, it's not a government job but that is good to know for future.

[HappierAtHome]

Cool! If you do apply for government jobs let me know, our systems are weird so I can answer questions and help you with understanding our insane levels of bureaucracy :-)