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how to choose land far from home?
« on: July 18, 2017, 11:06:23 AM »
I don't have the $700k-$1.5mil asked for land around my area.
So, I'm wondering how one goes about buying land far from one's current residence.


I dream of land. Big land. Acres, preferably of wild grasses, Aspens and other deciduous trees, in the midst of more big land. Lower central Canada seems good.

Other countries also fine, if I'm allowed to own, and to live there most of each year.

I find it intimidating to look.
Where do I start?
What do I look for?
Do I need to move to and from a series of ghost towns to find a good one with cheap land nearby?
Or fly to a new site every two weeks til I find it?

Follow the cohousing groups, assume they've done the research and just buy near them, like Wendy's just locates kitty corner from McDonald's?
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Re: help finding land?
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2017, 12:00:40 PM »
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I've found good land options around areas I've lived and were fairly familiar with, using realtor sites and craigslist, but finding land remotely seems tricky.  But I'll be doing this in the next 5 years most likely.

How much land is big land for you?  5 acres?  100 acres?

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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2017, 12:17:11 PM »
Even 3 acres is good for me.

Cheapest around me starts at $600k. 1.2mil is more common.
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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2017, 12:25:36 PM »
Even 3 acres is good for me.

Cheapest around me starts at $600k. 1.2mil is more common.

Per acre?  That's some high priced land.

You want cheap land, and more than one, two, three acres at less than a million per?

Hudspeth County, Texas:  http://www.landwatch.com/Texas_land_for_sale/Hudspeth_County

Or use the site to search other locations-- they have a database.

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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2017, 12:31:56 PM »
Per acre?  That's some high priced land.

No, for 3 acres then 5 acres. (Still very costly, though, yes.)

I'm not allowed to live in the States most of the year. So, Canada, England, or a country Canadians and Britains can live in pretty much year round.
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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2017, 01:02:06 PM »
Per acre?  That's some high priced land.

No, for 3 acres then 5 acres. (Still very costly, though, yes.)

I'm not allowed to live in the States most of the year. So, Canada, England, or a country Canadians and Britains can live in pretty much year round.

Okay then, ten'thousan' bux Canadandian per acre, way bettern two-hunnertthousand an acre:

http://www.landwatch.com/default.aspx?ct=r&q=bc&type=92,480;268,6839&oq=vancouver%2c+bc&px=750000

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« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2017, 01:14:17 PM »
Yes, way better!

Which brings us to the next question:
Would my next step be flying out to one region after the other, to check out the land, town culture, etc?
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« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2017, 01:45:03 PM »
Yes, way better!

Which brings us to the next question:
Would my next step be flying out to one region after the other, to check out the land, town culture, etc?
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I'd say one stretch of undeveloped taiga is pretty much like any other.  Stand of birch, some spindly bog spruce, alder and willow thickets here and there.  Maybe a bear wallow if you are 'lucky'.  Norway through Finland, on to Siberia and back around to BC.  You might as well be on Goose Bay in Labrador for all the tiny variations you'll see.

Unless there's  Tim Horton's and a bowling alley right across the street from your place.   Then, jackpot,
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« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2017, 03:09:41 PM »
We can get quite a lot of variation, eg.,

1. Town centre is super conservative, or country culture, or hipster, or liberal, or queer-friendly, or anti-queer, or child-friendly or anti-child, vibrant or ghost, or any combo of these.

2. Development rules demand: only mansions, no subdividing, only standard-sized homes, no RVs/tiny homes, no rules.

3. Land itself is all brush, mostly swamp, will require an environmental setback across half the property, no owned or public access (access depends on the goodness of stranger's heart), etc.

4. Community issues range involve meth labs, water shortages, pending legal fees, etc.

So, wondering how one goes about finding their land from afar. Or whether they spend a lot of money flying in to one region after another. Or...?
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« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2017, 03:46:51 PM »
I'm curious to hear from those who have done this before, but I will say I would not spend money flying until you're almost positive you're ready to buy.  I would ask all these questions of the seller, and look up the zoning beforehand.  If not available, ask for more pictures, both OF the property and FROM the property looking outwards.

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« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2017, 09:45:42 PM »
We looked for land within 5 hours driving of where we used to live, with a few scouting trips further away if we were visiting friends or going to an event.

We came up with some general parameters like size, price, and started looking at listings. It took us 18 months from the time we got serious about buying land to actually owning some. The more we looked, the more we refined what we wanted (and didn't). You might be surprised how your thinking evolves.

I always recommend Finding and Buying Your Place in the Country by Les Scher. It's U.S. focused, but i think many of the basics like access, water, etc will be the same. Just reading it will help you better understand and evaluate listings. Once you find an actual parcel you like, there's a whole bunch of things to check on when you are buying raw land. Do your due diligence!

Have fun! We had a blast searching and camping all around the NW until we found the DDR.

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Re: help finding land?
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2017, 10:40:57 PM »
Thanks, everyone!

Went back and read my opening post, realized I neglected to state the primary issue! It now opens with that (in bold).
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Re: help finding land?
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2017, 03:48:54 AM »
When I started looking for property, I made a list of priorities or things that I wanted from the ideal locale. For example, reviewed state taxes, income/property/sales tax were my first priority. I didn't want to live in a place that was going to be too pricey long term. Then I looked for an area that was within 50 miles of a medium size city so there would still be cultural activities that I could take advantage of. Being near a university would help with this. Readily accessible healthcare and hospitals were also a priority because this can be a big issue in rural areas. My next requirement was not to be in or near a potentially hazardous area that would negatively impact resale value. Hazards include fracking, nuclear power plants, natural disasters, etc. having access to an airport not more than a 90 min drive away was also a requirement. And having a water source, such as spring, river, required looking at land topology.
After I made my long list of requirements, I started reading info sources that would help me narrow down a locale. Landandfarm.com was useful in US to find available property.

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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2017, 05:41:49 AM »
Once you located land you were interested in, Indio, did you buy sight unseen? Fly out to various ones?
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Re: help finding land?
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2017, 09:12:39 AM »
We're in Québec City, and just accepted the counter offer for a piece of land that we found: 2,6 million square feet (approx. 60 acres), that we are purchasing for 214k. 30 minutes outside of Québec City, with woods, and permission to build a single-family home.

I'm really curious as to where you're looking that prices are so high. Have you thought about the Québec province? Although some land that is buildable for multiple houses tend to be pricier (because it can be split into smaller lots), you can find some very good deals for hunting lands (where you can only build a hunting cottage and not a full-time house), or even buildable plots that are farther out from a major city.

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« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2017, 12:25:51 PM »
Here is a local Kijiiji search:
http://www.kijiji.ca/b-land-for-sale/cape-breton/c641l1700011
definately cheaper than the other coast. As for going to an area, I would ask someone local what they know of an area, if it has the ammenities you are looking for and then consider going to look at the area. Good luck!

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« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2017, 12:50:26 PM »
Quebec would be wonderful!! Can I buy that off you for $215k??? :)

East Coast is also awesome.

Maybe what we could do is plan a slow travel from Manitoba through Quebec to the Maritimes.
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« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2017, 01:13:23 PM »
Quebec would be wonderful!! Can I buy that off you for $215k??? :)

East Coast is also awesome.

Maybe what we could do is plan a slow travel from Manitoba through Quebec to the Maritimes.

Haha, no thanks, we'll keep it :-) But here's 10 million square feet for 1,6 million: https://www.realtor.ca/R%C3%A9sidentiel/Terrain-vague/18060182/Ch-du-Moulin-Stoneham-et-Tewkesbury-Qu%C3%A9bec-G3C1R8

But of course, there are plenty of more reasonably-priced parcels around. We were looking for something very large, but in the 3 to 5 acres realm there's plenty of choice!

I found our land on realtor.ca - just looking around, exploring, and eventually after a year and a half, we fell on something that worked for us. If you aren't particularly in a rush, just a weekly check-in on realtor.ca to see what's new is a good way. Pinpoint a few places that you're interested in, and then you can explore just those areas on realtor.ca.

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« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2017, 07:46:00 PM »
Once you located land you were interested in, Indio, did you buy sight unseen? Fly out to various ones?

Nope, would never buy sight unseen. Need to get a feel for the community, neighbors, figure out if they have been using it as a toxic dump, things like that. I plan vacations around looking for land.

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« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2017, 06:57:36 AM »
If you
Could be relatively isolated over the winter
Move a house by hand
Dig a ten foot hole

Want to live in the most beautiful place on earth in a tiny house
Are open to paying rent to the government

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