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« Reply #50 on: November 25, 2021, 05:33:37 AM »
After I had my DD 11 years ago. I was having all kinds of issues. I was breaking out in hives and other digestive issues. We figured out it was dairy. I removed all dairy from diet and within a year I no longer needed my eye glasses. I think most would benefit from trying to remove dairy and see how much they improve.

My mom had terrible asthma for decades, and then she (and I -- we did it together, though I had no health problems) stopped all dairy and... poof... zero asthma for over 5 years now. She doesn't even own an inhaler anymore, whereas she used to carry a little bag of meds everywhere she went. Seems like dairy is capable of causing all sorts of problems, and they just vary depending on the person's individual makeup.

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« Reply #51 on: November 25, 2021, 07:17:32 AM »
As a teenager I was told by a dermatologist that one of the magical properties of cutting all dairy out of my life was that it would improve the cystic acne that I was suffering from.  So I removed all dairy from my life for several months.  It made no impact of any kind.  No benefit for any allergies, no benefit to skin, no benefit to weight, no benefit to overall feelings of wellness, no benefit to sports performance, etc.

I'm not against giving anything a try that's low risk, and cutting dairy from your life is about as low risk as it gets . . . just offering a different data point - while this might be beneficial to some, it's also completely without benefit to others.

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« Reply #52 on: November 25, 2021, 07:32:22 AM »
As a teenager I was told by a dermatologist that one of the magical properties of cutting all dairy out of my life was that it would improve the cystic acne that I was suffering from.  So I removed all dairy from my life for several months.  It made no impact of any kind.  No benefit for any allergies, no benefit to skin, no benefit to weight, no benefit to overall feelings of wellness, no benefit to sports performance, etc.

I'm not against giving anything a try that's low risk, and cutting dairy from your life is about as low risk as it gets . . . just offering a different data point - while this might be beneficial to some, it's also completely without benefit to others.

Yep, I've been on rigorous elimination diets for managing nerve damage, autoimmune, and digestive problems, and dairy and I get along famously well. My sister (non biological) on the other hand, has horrific reactions to dairy.

Full elimination diets are pretty tough though, especially for someone who isn't wildly adept in the kitchen, and comfortable cooking under almost any restrictions.

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« Reply #53 on: November 25, 2021, 07:44:04 AM »
As a teenager I was told by a dermatologist that one of the magical properties of cutting all dairy out of my life was that it would improve the cystic acne that I was suffering from.  So I removed all dairy from my life for several months.  It made no impact of any kind.  No benefit for any allergies, no benefit to skin, no benefit to weight, no benefit to overall feelings of wellness, no benefit to sports performance, etc.

I'm not against giving anything a try that's low risk, and cutting dairy from your life is about as low risk as it gets . . . just offering a different data point - while this might be beneficial to some, it's also completely without benefit to others.

Yep, I've been on rigorous elimination diets for managing nerve damage, autoimmune, and digestive problems, and dairy and I get along famously well. My sister (non biological) on the other hand, has horrific reactions to dairy.

Full elimination diets are pretty tough though, especially for someone who isn't wildly adept in the kitchen, and comfortable cooking under almost any restrictions.

DH was going spare during the elimination phase itself. And heartbroken to find that dairy is indeed a problem for him, as well as potatoes (but thankfully not other nightshades).

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« Reply #54 on: November 25, 2021, 09:25:16 AM »
I highly suggest reading The Power of Habit.  Losing weight is an outcome, eating less and/or working out more is an outcome.  The question is how do you understand and control the triggers that are leading you to unhealthy behaviors (e.g. when stressed overeating or vegging in front of the TV instead of exercising) which ultimately lead you to the outcome.

How do you re-direct to healthier behaviors and how do you create healthy habits?  E.g. sleep in gym clothes so you can wake up and immediately go to the gym.  I feel like people think there’s a magical combination of food that’s going to make them healthy without changing their underlying behaviors.  How do you reward yourself in a sustainable manner when doing the right thing?

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« Reply #55 on: November 26, 2021, 04:45:57 AM »
I am lazy, and hate restrictions, so will not stick with a "diet" with a lot of rules or one that requires me to measure everything.  So I bought smaller plates.  I have a set of my great aunts china, and the dinner plates back then are what we'd call salad plates now.    There is something psychologically satisfying about a full plate, and a deprivation mindset where there is a lot of empty space on a larger plate.  So full smaller plates satisfy my brain.

All the other stuff I do has already been mentioned:  lots of water, lots of veg, cooking from scratch.  I use a lot of fresh and dried herbs which makes food taste better. 

The other thing that finally allowed me to lose that last 10 pounds was when I quit working, I realized how frequently I was bribing myself with food to get through difficult pieces of work or rewarding myself with food when I completed them.  You might want to take a look to see if you have any bad habits like I did.

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« Reply #56 on: November 29, 2021, 07:19:10 AM »
You can just start today counting calories.  You don't need a plan or a menu.  Just start right now eating three meals a day and count your calories.

Once you see how many calories a bowl of instant packet oatmeal is, you may decide to have two eggs and a piece of bacon instead.  You may decide not to drink your calories. You may notice that without protein in the morning, you'll be hungry all day. You may still be starving at dinner and have a whole plate of veggies, like a bag of frozen microwave broccoli (yes, fresh and raw is better, but sometimes easiest is better so you don't eat a sleeve of crackers instead). 

As soon as you start counting the calories, you start making each calorie count.

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« Reply #57 on: November 29, 2021, 10:44:47 AM »

<cut down> You won’t lose weight and become healthier by reading. What’s your plan and what day is it going to start?

Very true, I asked this the week of thanksgiving, which is, of course, the food holiday. I want to do this 'right' I want to have at least 5% science in here, so reading was the first step.

I still don't know exactly what my diet is going to look like but it's forming.

so...

1. When are you going to start?
- Today. Monday after Thanksgiving, leftovers are gone, nothing crazy going on for a few weeks.
2. What is the plan.
- I've been looking up lifting routines, but thanks to this board, I am going to lift then cooldown with cardio. Luckily I work from home, so this should be doable without much drama. Diet is going to start off being intermittent fasting, IE: my first meal is going to be an early dinner and then a light snack around 7-8PM.
3. I really SHOULD start a journal here. I'll weigh myself after work, should be around 260ish-264ish. With a goal of being in the 230s to start (still pretty fat, but, much more mobile at that weight. I'll have to brainstorm by what date is that possible.

(Ultimate goal is much less than 230 but I want an achievable middle point, maybe I'll celebrate it with some cake!)

I highly appreciate the input so far guys/gals.
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Re: Help with Diet and Weight Loss! Way too chunky!
« Reply #58 on: November 29, 2021, 10:57:30 AM »

<cut down> You won’t lose weight and become healthier by reading. What’s your plan and what day is it going to start?

Very true, I asked this the week of thanksgiving, which is, of course, the food holiday. I want to do this 'right' I want to have at least 5% science in here, so reading was the first step.

I still don't know exactly what my diet is going to look like but it's forming.

so...

1. When are you going to start?
- Today. Monday after Thanksgiving, leftovers are gone, nothing crazy going on for a few weeks.
2. What is the plan.
- I've been looking up lifting routines, but thanks to this board, I am going to lift then cooldown with cardio. Luckily I work from home, so this should be doable without much drama. Diet is going to start off being intermittent fasting, IE: my first meal is going to be an early dinner and then a light snack around 7-8PM.
3. I really SHOULD start a journal here. I'll weigh myself after work, should be around 260ish-264ish. With a goal of being in the 230s to start (still pretty fat, but, much more mobile at that weight. I'll have to brainstorm by what date is that possible.

(Ultimate goal is much less than 230 but I want an achievable middle point, maybe I'll celebrate it with some cake!)

I highly appreciate the input so far guys/gals.

Just some encouragement:
Just by counting calories - which meant I still could eat "anything" I removed 12 pounds in two/three weeks.
You should see this type of progress too.
After that it got harder, but reading about this I understood it is normal.
What made it even harder for me was that I "celebrated" the weight loss by eating/drinking more...

Don't get discouraged by the first setbacks, just keep at it.

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« Reply #59 on: November 29, 2021, 11:29:45 AM »
^

Yep, the research is very solid that just tracking what you eat has an enormous impact on the amount you eat.

Another bit of very solid research in weight loss was having participants actively focus on how the meal would make them feel *after* eating it. So whenever you visualize biting into something delicious, try envisioning how you will feel once the meal is done. How will your stomach feel? How will you feel emotionally? Press the fast forward button through the visions of taking those first few enjoyable bites, and really focus on the aftermath of your potential eating choices, is can make a huge difference in the food decisions you make.

This becomes more effective the more you eat moderate portions of really healthy foods, because it gives you a contrast against over eating nutrient poor foods.

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« Reply #60 on: November 30, 2021, 12:52:09 AM »
Becoming and staying fit is just like personal finance.
Both are all just maths really on the "how" side.
The why is what you need to make it work if you aren't already.

For example in the last 2 days I ate several servings of various kinds of cake (I happen to love sugar), had a beer or two, etc, no ascetism here.
I maintain a BMI that's hovering around 25 (I work out) by skipping a meal on workdays (time just flies, doesn't it?), commuting by bicycle and doing gym workouts a couple times a week. And being the entertainment centre for a very active toddler.

But that's maintenance after establishing some habits that work for me (!) using the help of a calorie counting device.
A daily sticky note and a pencil works just as well if you don't fancy the apps mentioned.
You don't really need to track macros if you aren't a bodybuilder kind of guy/gal.
You also don't need to start eating cr*p you don't even like at the same time you are also cutting calories and (hopefully) doing some kind of (any kind of) physical activity. Which you can also track in MFP - my only motivation for pushing this app so much is that it worked so well for me, we have no financial relationship.

It would all just blow up in your face after a month or two.
Ask all the people jumping from fad diet to the next fad diet, staying obese for decades...
It's really the same mental game as saving a large chunk of your income ;-)

If you want external motivation (which won't suffice in itself) you could even photoblog (is that a word?) your progress somewhere (you could find a social media group etc).

Good luck!

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« Reply #61 on: November 30, 2021, 06:24:01 AM »

3. I really SHOULD start a journal here. I'll weigh myself after work, should be around 260ish-264ish. With a goal of being in the 230s to start (still pretty fat, but, much more mobile at that weight. I'll have to brainstorm by what date is that possible.

Well, I'm here to help keep you accountable if you do want to keep regular reports coming. We've got roughly the same goals- getting down into the 230s. 

I was sitting at 272.6 last night. 

Not really calorie counting as I have a pretty good handle on where my problem areas lie on the intake side (Oh double IPAs, why must you be both delicious and intoxicating?). Also, trying to ramp up activity- way too easy to get stuck indoors on the couch in these dark days surrounding the winter solstice. Would much rather consume a few extra calories and get myself out for some XC skiing or something.   

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« Reply #62 on: November 30, 2021, 07:34:31 AM »
I personally recommend Weight Watchers. I have lost weight 3 times on weight watchers, about 10- 15 pounds each time.  I slowly gain it back and about every 10 years have to do it again.  Maybe I have a good metabolism but I easily loose 1-2 pounds a week when I do it. I could/should do weight watchers on my own and the program is so easy I probably could but there is something about paying $12 a month that makes me motivated to actually do it.  When on weight watchers this is what I do.
1) I don't drink any caloric beverages.  Plain coffee, tea and water only.  NO ALCOHOL. 
2) I do drink one glass of milk a day (whole) with a tip of a teaspoon of chocolate syrup for dessert every night.  I rationalize this because. I have osteopenia. Studies show people who drink milk weigh less, the fat in the milk fills me up and the little bit of chocolate fulfills my sweet tooth.  Plus at least it's nutritious.
3) I practice the 1/2, 1/4, 1/4 plate distribution.  1/2 of your plate is vegetables, 1/4 plate protein, 1/4 plate carbs
4) I practice portion control.  Become aware of what exactly is a portion.  Example= A portion of protein is a deck of cards. I don't eat seconds. I eat what my husband cooks.  He doesn't make anything special diet recipes.  I eat "regular" food but only within the 1/2, 1/4, 1/4 with proper portion size parameters.
5) I eat salad a lot. No salad dressings. Vinegar only.
6) I don't deprive myself.   I do eat sweets occassionally. On weight watchers you can eat what you want.  Nothing is restricted.  I still eat pizza and make perfect choices the rest of the day.    If I want a cookie, I eat 1/2 of one.  I'll take a bite of cake and throw the other half out. "Better to waste it than wear it".  But you have to know yourself.  I personally can't stop after one potato chip.  And I hate baked ones.
7) I try to eat bang for your buck foods.  Food that fill you up.  I eat hard boiled eggs.   Bagel toasted no topping even butter is a lot of points, but fills me up.  I eat popcorn, triscuits plain and skip the cheese.   
8) Exercise is recommended, but I only walk.
You can join weight watchers or follow the program on your own.

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« Reply #63 on: November 30, 2021, 07:36:00 AM »

3. I really SHOULD start a journal here. I'll weigh myself after work, should be around 260ish-264ish. With a goal of being in the 230s to start (still pretty fat, but, much more mobile at that weight. I'll have to brainstorm by what date is that possible.

Well, I'm here to help keep you accountable if you do want to keep regular reports coming. We've got roughly the same goals- getting down into the 230s. 

I was sitting at 272.6 last night. 

Not really calorie counting as I have a pretty good handle on where my problem areas lie on the intake side (Oh double IPAs, why must you be both delicious and intoxicating?). Also, trying to ramp up activity- way too easy to get stuck indoors on the couch in these dark days surrounding the winter solstice. Would much rather consume a few extra calories and get myself out for some XC skiing or something.

So @Askel, that’s great that you’ve set a goal and are joining the challenge. 44lb weight loss will take a lot of work. When are you starting and what exactly is your plan to achieve that goal and by when do you want to hit the goal?

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« Reply #64 on: November 30, 2021, 07:46:35 AM »

<cut down> You won’t lose weight and become healthier by reading. What’s your plan and what day is it going to start?

Very true, I asked this the week of thanksgiving, which is, of course, the food holiday. I want to do this 'right' I want to have at least 5% science in here, so reading was the first step.

I still don't know exactly what my diet is going to look like but it's forming.

so...

1. When are you going to start?
- Today. Monday after Thanksgiving, leftovers are gone, nothing crazy going on for a few weeks.
2. What is the plan.
- I've been looking up lifting routines, but thanks to this board, I am going to lift then cooldown with cardio. Luckily I work from home, so this should be doable without much drama. Diet is going to start off being intermittent fasting, IE: my first meal is going to be an early dinner and then a light snack around 7-8PM.
3. I really SHOULD start a journal here. I'll weigh myself after work, should be around 260ish-264ish. With a goal of being in the 230s to start (still pretty fat, but, much more mobile at that weight. I'll have to brainstorm by what date is that possible.

(Ultimate goal is much less than 230 but I want an achievable middle point, maybe I'll celebrate it with some cake!)

I highly appreciate the input so far guys/gals.

@TheAnonOne, this is all great. I’d recommend identifying a date as that will help you focus. Focus is the key. Remember the sage of Yoda: do or do not, there is no try. General health advice is the maximum weight loss that’s sustainable is around 2lbs per week, so you’re looking at 17 weeks to hit your goal, which means around the 28th of March 2022. To achieve that you’ll need to follow your eating plan and keep your body moving in a variety of ways. Personally I think HIIT would benefit you more than just lifting and I’d protect your knees more with walking or biking than running. You can do this as long as you recognize that your goal is big so your commitment must be bigger.

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Re: Help with Diet and Weight Loss! Way too chunky!
« Reply #65 on: November 30, 2021, 08:57:08 AM »


So @Askel, that’s great that you’ve set a goal and are joining the challenge. 44lb weight loss will take a lot of work. When are you starting and what exactly is your plan to achieve that goal and by when do you want to hit the goal?

Technically, I've been battling this bulge for years, however it wasn't until this summer that I was able to pick up my physical activity enough to start making some real progress. (Was solidly in the 280s the past spring). Going to keep riding this wave of increased physical activity to see where it gets me.  Hoping to be solidly in the 260s by Feb. If I'm not, I'll pick back up on calorie counting and target a pound a week loss.   

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« Reply #66 on: November 30, 2021, 10:26:10 AM »
I'm in.  I took my own advice and started writing down what I eat yesterday. Even though it was midday and not planned and all the excuses.  I opened a little notebook and wrote what I ate and looked up the approximate calories on the labels.  I'm at 170 and 5'4" female.  I want to lose 35 lbs and be at 135.  I'm doing 1200 calories per day, about.  If I go over one day then I'll skimp the next.  I am super sedentary and don't plan on adding much activity--if I have to exercise to lose weight, I'll weigh 600lbs!  Might start doing Yoga with Adrienne again--that was actually nice.

Start write now.  If you're reading this, grab a piece of paper and write down what you ate today and the calories. You don't have to wait until January or next Monday or your birthday or whatever.  This is how I started saving money for real--just stopped wasting money on stuff I didn't need and maximized each buck.  I'm going to maximize each calorie.

ETA--Should we put up a new thread in Throw Down the Gauntlet?  I'd call it "I'm Fat and so are you." :)
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« Reply #67 on: November 30, 2021, 10:37:45 AM »
I've found this to be the definitive guide to the engineering side of calorie counting: https://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/

However, like budgeting- it can be as simple or as complex as you like.  I find just writing down what I eat to be almost as helpful as tracking every individual calorie. Getting accurate calorie counts can be tough if you like to cook complex dishes with numerous ingredients. Plus the number you burn is a big unknown in the equation and can change significantly- which is why I need the physical activity. Without it, I can calorie count all I want, my metabolism will just start adjusting to the lower intake until I become so lethargic all I can do is gnaw on my desk and think about food all day.   



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« Reply #68 on: November 30, 2021, 11:01:39 AM »
Calorie counting is the only fail proof way to lose weight.  Pure math.  You will feel hungry.

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« Reply #69 on: November 30, 2021, 11:06:20 AM »
Calorie counting is the only fail proof way to lose weight.  Pure math.  You will feel hungry.

On thing I learned with intermittent fasting is that my sensation of hunger had more to do with my body expecting food at certain times of day than actually needing food. This is why I could have a HUGE brunch and then feel like I was starving by late afternoon.

Once the schedule got all messed up, my sensation of hunger stopped being so intense. The sensation wasn't "I'm hungry" it was "I'm expecting food, so I've churned a bunch of stomach acid to process what I know is coming".

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« Reply #70 on: November 30, 2021, 11:36:39 AM »
Calorie counting is the only fail proof way to lose weight.  Pure math.  You will feel hungry.

I can assure you, I have counted many, many a calorie. Sometimes I lose weight, sometimes I don't. It's a very powerful tool, and one every overweight person should learn to use. Unfortunately, the math is anything but pure. It's very gross approximation of a complex system nobody fully understands.   Clearly, you can't escape thermodynamics, but what I eat when and how I burn it are also influential factors besides how much I eat in my weight ups and downs.   

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« Reply #71 on: November 30, 2021, 12:30:26 PM »
@DeniseNJ
Yes please but don't call it  "I'm Fat and so are you." :)
it is too derogatory, maybe something like I finally admit I have a ton of weight to loose

I am on a weight loss journey got to a good weight, took months, if not a year,  and now my weight is Going back up, after being able to maintain 125 pounds for almost 6 months.  I am starting fasting again, my issue is eating after dark for stress relief. In order to loose the 13-14 pounds that I lost I had to give up alcohol then give up non alcoholic beer, then give up chocolate and give up popcorn. As I lost weight by fasting, and giving up junk, but my old habits are creeping back.

I love this thread for new ideas and motivation. Lets do this people before Jan 1.

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« Reply #72 on: November 30, 2021, 12:54:27 PM »
Calorie counting is the only fail proof way to lose weight.  Pure math.  You will feel hungry.

I can assure you, I have counted many, many a calorie. Sometimes I lose weight, sometimes I don't. It's a very powerful tool, and one every overweight person should learn to use. Unfortunately, the math is anything but pure. It's very gross approximation of a complex system nobody fully understands.   Clearly, you can't escape thermodynamics, but what I eat when and how I burn it are also influential factors besides how much I eat in my weight ups and downs.
I don't agree.  I have counted calories for a few years now.  You eventually will figure out your normal daily calorie burn rate, mine is 2075 a day.  I can tell you my weight based on how many calories eaten over a month.  It is pure math.
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« Reply #73 on: November 30, 2021, 01:23:07 PM »
Calorie counting can be problematic in numerous ways, not the least of which is that it's impossible to be completely accurate. Labels on packaged food are allowed to be off by a certain percentage (I don't remember how much, but it's significant), and in many cases, it's not what you eat, it's what you absorb. You absorb more calories from, for example, a cup of whole nuts than from that same cup of nuts processed into nut butter (even if nothing is added). Of course, one answer is to focus on whole foods rather than processed, and foods that don't come in a package.

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« Reply #74 on: November 30, 2021, 01:27:40 PM »
All foods are packaged with calorie info.  Foods that are not need to be weighed and that needs to be calculated for calories.  It is pretty easy to figure calories these days.

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« Reply #75 on: November 30, 2021, 02:10:00 PM »
A heartfelt congratulations on your success @jim555 .  I've managed to lose ~100lbs twice counting calories, the second time keeping it off for more than 7 years.  So I definitely respect it's usefulness. My problem is that twice now I've found it to stop working as well for me.  Weight creeping up?  Make sure those calorie journals are up to date and the problem should take care of itself, right?  Well sometimes all cutting calories does is just make me hungrier and hungrier without losing weight.  I know what being hungry while losing weight feels like. I know what moderating to maintain feels like.  That was... different.

I too once had my burn rate pretty well pegged like you, then all of a sudden- it seems to start moving, not in any relation to the input side.  But this is all anecdotal. As I've said, at this point I've become philosophical about it all.  I'm no longer inclined to say one method is the best or only way.  Take what you can get from other folks who've made it work. Currently, I find lots of outdoor exercise to be pivotal to my success (as it was in my last weight loss rollercoaster).  But there's going to come a day where I won't be able to keep that up, so it's good to hear about what works for other people.   

So I encourage folks either working to lose or maintain to keep an open mind and high degree of self scrutiny.  We're all fighting biological and emotional processes we don't fully understand, leave a margin for error.

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« Reply #76 on: November 30, 2021, 02:13:52 PM »
I got in great shape when I worked food service.  I usually worked 4:00 to close, so I was getting home at 11:30 or 12:00.  I was hungry then, but no one was up, and I was more tired than hungry most days.  I ended up going to sleep hungry, and I think it's the best time of day to be hungry because you can't walk around grazing on all the easy to eat snacks.
So my weight loss advice would be schedule your meals so that you're just a bit hungry when you go to bed.

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« Reply #77 on: November 30, 2021, 02:25:03 PM »
I'm in.  I took my own advice and started writing down what I eat yesterday. Even though it was midday and not planned and all the excuses.  I opened a little notebook and wrote what I ate and looked up the approximate calories on the labels.  I'm at 170 and 5'4" female.  I want to lose 35 lbs and be at 135.  I'm doing 1200 calories per day, about.  If I go over one day then I'll skimp the next.  I am super sedentary and don't plan on adding much activity--if I have to exercise to lose weight, I'll weigh 600lbs!  Might start doing Yoga with Adrienne again--that was actually nice.

Start write now.  If you're reading this, grab a piece of paper and write down what you ate today and the calories. You don't have to wait until January or next Monday or your birthday or whatever.  This is how I started saving money for real--just stopped wasting money on stuff I didn't need and maximized each buck.  I'm going to maximize each calorie.

ETA--Should we put up a new thread in Throw Down the Gauntlet?  I'd call it "I'm Fat and so are you." :)

Glad you’re committing yourself. I’d only want to challenge the sedentary part as that isn’t great for your body for a variety of reasons. The only thing you need to do that works, is walk. That’s it, no weights, no routines. Put on some headphones, listen to podcasts or favorite music or call loved ones and just walk, at your own pace for an hour a day. You’ll start to see differences with the simplest, safest movement in the world (and cheapest!).

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Re: Help with Diet and Weight Loss! Way too chunky!
« Reply #78 on: November 30, 2021, 03:46:01 PM »
get a lot of dark leafy greens into your diet, and have a simple side salad with every meal. Use basic vinegrette dressings.

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« Reply #79 on: November 30, 2021, 05:22:21 PM »
Exercise is good, but when trying to lose weight it makes you hungrier.

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« Reply #80 on: November 30, 2021, 05:39:40 PM »
Exercise is good, but when trying to lose weight it makes you hungrier.

Not for me, especially with IF, I usually exercise while fasted and it doesn't make me hungry, but I'm in ketosis, which totally kills my hunger.

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Re: Help with Diet and Weight Loss! Way too chunky!
« Reply #81 on: November 30, 2021, 06:11:10 PM »
Calorie counting is the only fail proof way to lose weight.  Pure math.  You will feel hungry.

On thing I learned with intermittent fasting is that my sensation of hunger had more to do with my body expecting food at certain times of day than actually needing food. This is why I could have a HUGE brunch and then feel like I was starving by late afternoon.

Once the schedule got all messed up, my sensation of hunger stopped being so intense. The sensation wasn't "I'm hungry" it was "I'm expecting food, so I've churned a bunch of stomach acid to process what I know is coming".

Me too. I think that there is actually a large body of research to show that ghrelin levels have more to do with when you typically eat than your body needing food.


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« Reply #82 on: November 30, 2021, 06:28:44 PM »
Exercise is good, but when trying to lose weight it makes you hungrier.


And that’s fine. You just eat healthy and have water. Generally you’re more motivated to eat healthy when paired with exercise.

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Re: Help with Diet and Weight Loss! Way too chunky!
« Reply #83 on: November 30, 2021, 06:48:24 PM »
Exercise is good, but when trying to lose weight it makes you hungrier.

Not for me, especially with IF, I usually exercise while fasted and it doesn't make me hungry, but I'm in ketosis, which totally kills my hunger.

Same here. I'm less hungry the more I exercise. It's sitting around a computer that makes me snacky.

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« Reply #84 on: November 30, 2021, 07:10:37 PM »
Also, there is the question of caloric density.

100 calories of olive oil is not the same as 100 calories of a hard boiled egg.

Knowing the difference is key to weight loss.

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Re: Help with Diet and Weight Loss! Way too chunky!
« Reply #85 on: November 30, 2021, 07:17:12 PM »
Calorie counting is the only fail proof way to lose weight.  Pure math.  You will feel hungry.

On thing I learned with intermittent fasting is that my sensation of hunger had more to do with my body expecting food at certain times of day than actually needing food. This is why I could have a HUGE brunch and then feel like I was starving by late afternoon.

Once the schedule got all messed up, my sensation of hunger stopped being so intense. The sensation wasn't "I'm hungry" it was "I'm expecting food, so I've churned a bunch of stomach acid to process what I know is coming".

Me too. I think that there is actually a large body of research to show that ghrelin levels have more to do with when you typically eat than your body needing food.

They've got a lot to do with how much weed you've recently imbibed as well.

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« Reply #86 on: November 30, 2021, 07:18:11 PM »
Calorie counting is the only fail proof way to lose weight.  Pure math.  You will feel hungry.

On thing I learned with intermittent fasting is that my sensation of hunger had more to do with my body expecting food at certain times of day than actually needing food. This is why I could have a HUGE brunch and then feel like I was starving by late afternoon.

Once the schedule got all messed up, my sensation of hunger stopped being so intense. The sensation wasn't "I'm hungry" it was "I'm expecting food, so I've churned a bunch of stomach acid to process what I know is coming".

Me too. I think that there is actually a large body of research to show that ghrelin levels have more to do with when you typically eat than your body needing food.

They've got a lot to do with how much weed you've recently imbibed as well.

Truth, weed is a TERRIBLE weight loss drug.

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Re: Help with Diet and Weight Loss! Way too chunky!
« Reply #87 on: December 01, 2021, 03:25:45 AM »
Exercise is good, but when trying to lose weight it makes you hungrier.

Not for me, especially with IF, I usually exercise while fasted and it doesn't make me hungry, but I'm in ketosis, which totally kills my hunger.

Same here. I'm less hungry the more I exercise. It's sitting around a computer that makes me snacky.
Exercise changes what I want to eat - if I've gone out for a run I don't come back and want to stuff my stomach with a big plate of carbs.  It's when I've been sitting all day getting stressed at work that the dulling comfort of carbs happens.

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« Reply #88 on: December 01, 2021, 07:45:37 AM »
Here's the thing.  No calorie counting is not exact. Maybe not all calories are created equal. Maybe it doesn't work perfectly or perfectly for everyone.  But if we were talking about money and making these observations/excuses, we'd get punched in the face.  Take all the money lessons you've learned an apply them to weight loss.  You'll see that any step in the right direction is good. That just a few fewer calories over time will make a difference. You're in it for the long haul. Even if it isn't perfect and doesn't work for every single person, doesn't mean it won't work for you so stop trying to find reasons that it won't work and start trying to find ways to make it work.  These are all money principles that will serve us well in losing weight too.

Some ppl when told that their BMI is way too high, they start pointing out the flaws in that system and how body builders have a high BMI so it's not a perfect measure.  Um, are you a body builder?  No?  Then don't worry about it!

Also, this might be sensitive and don't want to fat shame and everybody should be loved the way they are, etc., but I don't think face punches are a bad thing when you take it easy on yourself and losing weight/saving money is within your control.  Sure there are variables, but you aren't doing yourself a favor by using those as excuses to be fat or poor. There are many excuses/reasons for being either but do you want a pat on the head or do you want to lose weight? Forget the gimmicks and  "strategies."  Don't waste calories on things that aren't delicious. You WILL be hungry--that is normal.  If you are uncomfortable, learn to be comfortable on less. But you don't have to be miserable. If you can't take the hunger eat a giant bowl of veggies.  Maximize each bite. Don't waste bites standing in front of the fridge waiting for your water to boil.  don't spend money/calories mindlessly. etc.  All the money lessons we've learned, let's apply them to weight loss. Even the idea that saving can be more efficient that earning more, like saving calories by not eating them can be more efficient that using more by burning them. No they aren't perfect analogies but we can get very whiny-pants about this stuff.  Yes exercise is good for you in a million ways but if you are looking to lose 30 to 50 lbs or more, you need to stop eating so much crap. 

I'll start the challenge on the challenge forum today.
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Re: Help with Diet and Weight Loss! Way too chunky!
« Reply #89 on: December 01, 2021, 09:01:59 AM »
Calorie counting makes you aware of foods that are calorie expensive.  Once you realize how much that treat costs you think twice since it means no more food for the day.  You soon see how high carb foods are not worth it, full sugar soda is "expensive" and not worth it. 

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Re: Help with Diet and Weight Loss! Way too chunky!
« Reply #90 on: December 01, 2021, 09:27:57 AM »
Calorie counting makes you aware of foods that are calorie expensive.  Once you realize how much that treat costs you think twice since it means no more food for the day.  You soon see how high carb foods are not worth it, full sugar soda is "expensive" and not worth it.

Stroopwafels are worth it.

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« Reply #91 on: December 01, 2021, 10:45:20 AM »
Here's the thing.  No calorie counting is not exact. Maybe not all calories are created equal. Maybe it doesn't work perfectly or perfectly for everyone.  But if we were talking about money and making these observations/excuses, we'd get punched in the face.  Take all the money lessons you've learned an apply them to weight loss.  You'll see that any step in the right direction is good. That just a few fewer calories over time will make a difference. You're in it for the long haul. Even if it isn't perfect and doesn't work for every single person, doesn't mean it won't work for you so stop trying to find reasons that it won't work and start trying to find ways to make it work.  These are all money principles that will serve us well in losing weight too.

Some ppl when told that their BMI is way too high, they start pointing out the flaws in that system and how body builders have a high BMI so it's not a perfect measure.  Um, are you a body builder?  No?  Then don't worry about it!

Also, this might be sensitive and don't want to fat shame and everybody should be loved the way they are, etc., but I don't think face punches are a bad thing when you take it easy on yourself and losing weight/saving money is within your control.  Sure there are variables, but you aren't doing yourself a favor by using those as excuses to be fat or poor. There are many excuses/reasons for being either but do you want a pat on the head or do you want to lose weight? Forget the gimmicks and  "strategies."  Don't waste calories on things that aren't delicious. You WILL be hungry--that is normal.  If you are uncomfortable, learn to be comfortable on less. But you don't have to be miserable. If you can't take the hunger eat a giant bowl of veggies.  Maximize each bite. Don't waste bites standing in front of the fridge waiting for your water to boil.  don't spend money/calories mindlessly. etc.  All the money lessons we've learned, let's apply them to weight loss. Even the idea that saving can be more efficient that earning more, like saving calories by not eating them can be more efficient that using more by burning them. No they aren't perfect analogies but we can get very whiny-pants about this stuff.  Yes exercise is good for you in a million ways but if you are looking to lose 30 to 50 lbs or more, you need to stop eating so much crap. 

I'll start the challenge on the challenge forum today.
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You might not be accurate, hence why I said to cut 10% once established.
Doesn't matter if you're eating 5000 calories and mess up so much you count it as 3000.
It will still be you, making the same counting/measurement mistakes the next day.
So what happens if you eat 4500 and count it as 2700?
One thing should not be done: comparing calories between persons. That would need very exact numbers.

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Re: Help with Diet and Weight Loss! Way too chunky!
« Reply #92 on: December 01, 2021, 01:49:34 PM »
Yes exercise is good for you in a million ways but if you are looking to lose 30 to 50 lbs or more, you need to stop eating so much crap. 

I'll start the challenge on the challenge forum today.

It’s not an either or situation, it’s both, especially if you want to lose 30-50lbs. And let’s be real, if you have 30-50lbs to lose you’ve been doing lots of things wrong and your thinking has been wrong, as well as your emotional relationship to food and exercise. You have to work both. Eating is simple as hell (handsized balanced meals of natural foods avoiding these whites: potatoes, rice, sugar, salt and flour). That’s it! If all you did was that you would lose weight, keep weight off and be healthy.

Exercise or movement is also important and again, a very simple solution: walk. That’s it! Just walk an hour a day, aim for 10k steps in a day. That’s the bare minimum.

Combine those two simple solutions and you will lose 30-50lbs in a year, or your money back!

However, the challenge is around the emotions. That I don’t have a simple solution for. Your emotions will impact your attraction/repulsion to food and exercise and will impact your willpower and commitment. The simplest way to manage those emotions is to build in routine and take away choice from yourself so your emotions don’t dictate. Another solution is to be horrifically honest with yourself that your challenge is emotional and seek therapy (experts who deal with emotion and cognition), you may have body issues and self-esteem issues to work through. You can’t help an alcoholic who doesn’t admit they have a problem with drinking; you can’t help a foodaholic who doesn’t admit a problem with eating.

Or you could just accept the size you are, body you have and focus your energy in other places. Make smart, informed choices about what you want and put effort towards it, however works best for you. Don’t go half-assed though. If you’re happy with how things are, don’t change. If you’re not content, put in maximum effort to change, because you’ll need the inertia of effort to overcome your own resistance to what you’ve decided is easier and most comfortable: doing what you’ve been doing that has brought you here.

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Re: Help with Diet and Weight Loss! Way too chunky!
« Reply #93 on: December 01, 2021, 04:38:48 PM »
Calorie counting is the only fail proof way to lose weight.  Pure math.  You will feel hungry.

On thing I learned with intermittent fasting is that my sensation of hunger had more to do with my body expecting food at certain times of day than actually needing food. This is why I could have a HUGE brunch and then feel like I was starving by late afternoon.

Once the schedule got all messed up, my sensation of hunger stopped being so intense. The sensation wasn't "I'm hungry" it was "I'm expecting food, so I've churned a bunch of stomach acid to process what I know is coming".

Me too. I think that there is actually a large body of research to show that ghrelin levels have more to do with when you typically eat than your body needing food.

They've got a lot to do with how much weed you've recently imbibed as well.

Truth, weed is a TERRIBLE weight loss drug.

Indeed. For me alcohol is even worse.

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Re: Help with Diet and Weight Loss! Way too chunky!
« Reply #94 on: December 02, 2021, 01:21:16 PM »
Calorie counting is the only fail proof way to lose weight.  Pure math.  You will feel hungry.

I can assure you, I have counted many, many a calorie. Sometimes I lose weight, sometimes I don't. It's a very powerful tool, and one every overweight person should learn to use. Unfortunately, the math is anything but pure. It's very gross approximation of a complex system nobody fully understands.   Clearly, you can't escape thermodynamics, but what I eat when and how I burn it are also influential factors besides how much I eat in my weight ups and downs.
I don't agree.  I have counted calories for a few years now.  You eventually will figure out your normal daily calorie burn rate, mine is 2075 a day.  I can tell you my weight based on how many calories eaten over a month.  It is pure math.

The problem with this is you are n=1.

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I'm at 170 and 5'4" female.  I want to lose 35 lbs and be at 135.  I'm doing 1200 calories per day, about.

And...1200 is really low.  I don't think it's a place you want to be forever.

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Weight loss is hard, and everyone is different.  You cannot apply one person's experience to everyone else.
It's like "counting calories works" or "this hardcore plan works" or "this easy plan works".  Well, sometimes it doesn't.

Personally, I like the @Malcat and @GuitarStv method of eating lots of vegetables and drinking water, because it's simple, if not always easy.  But that's just me.

But also, I read a lot about health and fitness and diet and weight loss.  So all these ideas here are ideas to try, to see if they work for you.

The one problem with calorie counting is that your body gets used to lower calories.  So, you cut your calories to 1200 or 1500 or whatever, and you lose weight, and then you stall and stop losing.  Then what?  Cut more?  Well, maybe yes or maybe no.

For example, a lot of professionals you can hire would do the opposite.  They would slowly add back calories to a "normal" level (say 2000 +/- for a woman, more for a man, depending on size and activity level).  Yes, you are going to gain a few pounds back, and then you are going to sit there for awhile.  Your body will adjust, and get used to this calorie level.  You may be there for months.

Then, you will cut calories again to start losing again.  This method is well known by body builders who compete, with "bulk" and "cut" phases because it works.  Well, it often works.  It might not ACTUALLY work for everyone.  At a minimum, it gives you a break from "dieting".  This method, like any calorie counting method, can be a fuck-ton of work with meal prepping, counting, weighing, and measuring.

I mean, studies have shown that former Biggest Loser contestants who go back to their old weight are now burning hundreds of calories less a day than before they were on the show.  That's a huge hit to your metabolism.

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TLDR, "this always works", "it worked for me, so it obviously works for someone else", "the math is simple"...
not true, unfortunately you have to just experiment.

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Re: Help with Diet and Weight Loss! Way too chunky!
« Reply #95 on: December 02, 2021, 02:38:27 PM »
Amen, mm1970. TBH, I've done so much research on diet and weight loss that just the title of this thread makes me a little sad. It's just so accepted in our culture that wanting to lose weight is a healthy goal that almost everyone should aspire to, and the number on the scale takes up so much of our headspace.

I've been trying to let go of my obsession with being within a certain range of numbers, and instead just concentrate on eating a diet that works well for my health, and exercising regularly because it's good for my sleep and overall state of well-being. If my clothes don't fit, I buy new clothes. I refuse to let my clothes shame me.

I work on eating as many veggies and as much fiber as possible, and I eat treats in a way that makes them feel like treats (so not that often, but when I do, I ENJOY them and don't think of it as "cheating". I try to walk 10k steps per day but don't worry about it if I don't make that goal every day.

I've really been enjoying the podcast "The Maintenance Phase", which debunks a lot of diet myths. It's helped me gain perspective on how there's actually quite a wide range of healthy weights, and that our cultural obsession with being thin has fueled a lot of mental health problems. Reframing my understanding of my own weight fluctuations has helped me ease the cycle of self-hatred that seems pre-programmed into pretty much every American female over the age of eight.

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Re: Help with Diet and Weight Loss! Way too chunky!
« Reply #96 on: December 02, 2021, 02:43:45 PM »
Oh, also--I've really enjoyed the Youtube videos of a nutritionist named Abbey Sharpe. She has a lot of good advice about food combos that boost satiety and recommends not counting calories or going on restrictive diets. She's a great cheerleader for "Health at Every Size" thinking that has helped me to break away from the diet cycles that have made me miserable in the past. If I had more time/money, I'd probably go to a professional nutritionist for help understanding how food works. For now, just always making sure I have healthy fat, fiber, protein, and something yummy/emotionally satisfying in most of the things I eat has helped me a lot. I'm not losing weight, but nor am I gaining it, and I feel good most of the time (so no more 4 pm cravings/sugar crashes).

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Re: Help with Diet and Weight Loss! Way too chunky!
« Reply #97 on: December 02, 2021, 11:42:22 PM »
Weight loss is very simple, burn more calories than you intake and do that for months.  It is pure math.

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« Reply #98 on: December 03, 2021, 02:26:30 AM »
Weight loss is very simple, burn more calories than you intake and do that for months.  It is pure math.
At one level it's pure math.  At another level it's real life and real people and does not run along rails like a train with nowhere else to go.   It's about emotions, and relationships, and economics, and societal expectations, and location, and food availability, and time of year, and upbringing, and physiology, and habits, and wealth or poverty and health and illness.  And anything else that you can think of that makes up the human condition.

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« Reply #99 on: December 03, 2021, 02:29:02 AM »
Weight loss is very simple, burn more calories than you intake and do that for months.  It is pure math.
At one level it's pure math.  At another level it's real life and real people and does not run along rails like a train with nowhere else to go.   It's about emotions, and relationships, and economics, and societal expectations, and location, and food availability, and time of year, and upbringing, and physiology, and habits, and wealth or poverty and health and illness.  And anything else that you can think of that makes up the human condition.

+1 (thanks for saving me from writing all of this)

 

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