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Very old parents - Portfolio Advice?
« on: March 25, 2022, 11:42:31 AM »
Hi. I'm helping my parents, ages 85 and 89. They're healthy, for now at least and have 50% of their assets in stocks, 40% bonds and 10% cash and no real estate. They have enough retirement income to live on. That'll change if/when they move into an assisted living facility. I got them out of a very expensive managed fund that underperformed for about 10 years and moved their assets to Vanguard. Now I need to rebalance their portfolio. I'm going to get them to about 2% cash, 35% stock and the rest in bonds, because, well, it seems less risky and that's what they're supposed do at their age. When I was about to start executing trades on some of their bigger stock holdings, I realized that they'd have a lot of capital gains on some of the stocks and I froze and didn't execute the trades. And a friend mentioned something about resetting the basis when inheriting funds and something else which I don't recall. I get the feeling that I don't really know what I'm doing. So, now I need advice and it seems like all the professional financial advisors want to have a relationship. I don't want that. All I need to do is set their portfolio straight and maybe check on it once a year. All I need is 30 minutes or an hour of what I guess might be only tax advice, but I fear that there may be other issues that I'm not aware of. So, what should I be aware of? Am I being foolish by not hiring a financial advisor? An advisor seems excessive for our purposes. What should I do? Thanks for your help!

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Re: Very old parents - Portfolio Advice?
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2022, 12:25:22 PM »
I think it would be smart to know about all of the tax and financial planning issues first.  This would include your parents' assets, liabilities, income, expenses, goals, and risk profile.  Then make a plan.  Then execute on the plan.

You can get your parents' information from them; hopefully they know it all already.  You can investigate the financial impacts of assisted living - check out prices of places, see what their home might sell for if they own it, find out if they have a mortgage on it, etc.

Learning about the tax and financial planning stuff can be complex.  Personally I DIY 99% of it by reading forums and IRS tax publications and books and blog posts and other financial resources and thinking about it a lot and asking a lot of questions over many years.  That's one route.

You could also hire it out to an advisor.  You've identified some problems with that approach.  Cost, control, tax, and transparency issues exist.  But you don't have to learn and you have someone to blame if you want.

The third way is to find an advisor who will help you on a one-time or periodic basis.  Their per hour charges may seem high, but if you do most of the work yourself and are organized with your questions, you can get a lot figured out in a short period of time.  My 1% non-DIY is a partner in a local, well-respected CPA firm who understands about tax planning pretty well and seems smart to me.  He charges $250 an hour I think, so we buy an hour of his time periodically.  In addition to a tax-planning-style CPA, you could also perhaps look for an estate planning attorney with a tax focus, or maybe a fee-only financial planner; although the latter often seems to be an insurance or investment salesperson in disguise and will probably just give you a fancy color printout from some generic software.

As for one of your last questions, it's difficult to figure out all the stuff you don't know yet but should.  The only way I've handled that is to read, learn, investigate, ask questions, read some more, until the point where I can skim an article and say, "Oh right, I know about step up in basis", or "Oooh, they got that point wrong about capital loss carryforwards", or "I know the answer to this poster's question so I'll give it", or "Oh right, I don't really know that much about charitable remainder unitrusts, but I know enough to know I don't need one", or "Oh, I don't know about this but I know where to go to read more about it and figure it out".  (By the way, the same is true in any knowledge domain - auto repair, marine biology, human relationships, history, physics, etc.)

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Re: Very old parents - Portfolio Advice?
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2022, 12:37:22 PM »
Everything Secondcor said, plus a few random thoughts...

Honestly their asset allocation doesn't sound horrible.  I especially like 10% cash rather than 2%.  It really depends on how much they are pulling out every year to live on.  Is the "retirement income" they live on pensions and social security or is all/a lot of it from their portfolio?

They will owe capital gains on the sale of the underperforming mutual fund they sold.  I would be careful about making more changes until you know what the taxes will be.  One move that you can make is to set up the mutual funds to pay out rather than re-invest dividends and capital gains.  Mutual funds/stock you inherit will have the basis re-set at the time of death.  It doesn't reset for 401k/TSP/IRAs.

Do they have a CPA that does their taxes?  If so, after tax season have an appointment to discuss taxes.  CPA should be able to know the impact on their taxes of selling appreciated assets.

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Re: Very old parents - Portfolio Advice?
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2022, 02:52:50 PM »
Thanks to both of your for your very helpful responses!

Unfortunately I don't have the time or inclination to learn all the ins and outs of this game. So, I must pay someone else. I don't have any problem paying whatever cash now (even at a scary sounding hourly rate) for a one-off consultation. I only want what I need. No glossy software generated report like you mention. I think their issues are pretty simple. I just need to be made aware of moving parts.
-- They have a CPA. I'm almost certain they'll be at the 15% cap gains rate.
-- Their income is not from their investments, so they don't need cash right now.

Thanks.
Aaron


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Re: Very old parents - Portfolio Advice?
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2022, 03:50:40 PM »
Here's a list of moving parts to be aware of.  Not every one may apply to your parents.  This is not an exhaustive list.

Social Security income
pension income
cash flow
IRMAA
Roth conversions
RMDs
standard deduction
medical expenses (Schedule A)
expenses
debts (mortgage, credit card, personal loan, student loan, etc.)
taxable investments
net worth / estate planning
SECURE Act
beneficiaries / TOD
health care wishes (POST, living will, advance directive type stuff, etc.)
power of attorney preferences
tax situation including things not mentioned above (capital loss carryovers, estimated tax payments, etc.)
location and recency of their wills
trusts / trustees / successor trustees / spendthrift or disability type trusts
location and passwords for all asset accounts (checking, savings, education accounts, etc.)
charitable giving / QCDs / bequests
burial plots / funeral wishes / prepaid plans
plans / goals / priorities / risk tolerance
asset allocation stuff

There are probably more that I can't think of offhand.
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Re: Very old parents - Portfolio Advice?
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2022, 09:46:19 AM »
Goodness. Thanks!

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Re: Very old parents - Portfolio Advice?
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2022, 10:35:53 AM »
I think a Fee-for-Service CPA would be helpful for you as you're not all that interested in figuring out the details. I would remind you, however, that no one cares about your money and assets as much as you do...

Make sure you have ALL their financial information secondcor recommended and understand what that information is BEFORE the appointment, or you will just be wasting your time.

For the record, I don't think a 50:50 Equities: Fixed Income ratio is inappropriate at all as all their needs are met by ongoing pensions and SS.  Sounds like your folks are very prudent individuals.

If it's possible that they are headed for Assisted Living, note that a lot of the costs can be paid with PRETAX 401K/403B accounts if your parents have them. This would save them a bundle.

As they are healthy, this may not apply, but lots of people also consider the 5 year Medicaid lookback problem and transfer money to a trust to protect family financial assets if you anticipate that a loved one will run through most or all of their assets in prolonged nursing home care.

Finally, keep things SIMPLE, simplicity has a quality all of its own.