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FIRE and inheritance/gift money?
« on: October 22, 2018, 08:31:17 AM »
Hi everyone,

I would like to seek your opinion and advice on FIRE and inheritance/gift money.

About me: I came to this country, from a developing country, 15 years ago for graduate school. After receiving my M.A.s and Ph.D. (in humanities) I started teaching in college. I received tenure and promotion on my 35th birthday, and a year later, permanent residency of the U.S. I’m female, single, and I don’t plan to get married in the near future.

What I’ve been determined to do, since the very first day of living in the U.S., is self-reliance and independence – which is exactly the essence of American culture. I never borrowed any money from anybody (including my parents, see below), have never been in debt, and have been saving vigorously. After 5 years of part-time work (as a graduate TA and RA) and 10 years of full-time work, I’ve saved 300K. That’s from saving 60-70% of my salary, which is far from being 6 figured.

Now, in a few years I’ll be turning 40, and my parents, who are still living in my home country and don’t plan to immigrate here, will turn 70 next year. I’m their only child, and I wanted to stay in the U.S. for at least 20 more years. My parents grew up in poverty, but after a lifetime of hard work and skillful investment, their asset is as follows:

-   Two nice condominiums, each in a major city in my home country: About $2.2 million
-   Investment in mutual funds, wealth management, some stocks, etc: $1.2 million and growing steadily
-   They have their monthly pension ($1700 each, and they need less than half of it to live comfortably) and excellent health insurance.

I had long been dreamed of retiring around 50 ---never seriously planned, and I chose “50” since “50” seemed to be a major watershed in life. Then earlier this year, I fell gravely ill for a few months (although I had maintained a very healthy lifestyle), and my illness taught me that nothing is guaranteed, and crap happens no matter how much you want to avoid it. So I wanted to retire in a few years and start exploring life.

My dilemma is: after calculation, I realized that with my own $300k, I’m nowhere near immediate retiring. My goal, and what I need, is $500k, for which I need to work at least 5-7 more years with a teacher’s salary. That time frame is fine with me. But as I described above, my parents have more than enough money, and they are more than willing to give as much as I need to me – now as gift money, and after both of them pass away – inheritance. If I don’t use the money (to accelerate my journey to early retirement for now), who else? But again, if I use their money to fund my early retirement, I feel that I would have cancelled out all my effort in the past 15 years to be independent – I could have used their money from the very beginning and relieve a lot of hardship, right?

What would you suggest? I appreciate your help.






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Re: FIRE and inheritance/gift money?
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2018, 08:39:54 AM »
I insist that my parents keep their money while alive, in order to be prepared for horrible circumstances. I mean, small gifts make them happy, but once they start talking about giving me enough to allow them to cancel my brothers' debts...no thank you.

I also don't count on the inheritance when making my plans. It is entirely possible that my parents could outlive me. Heck, it is even likely that my in laws outlive me, even if they don't outlive their own child.

The especially baffling part of your math is that 5-7 years of work still puts you ahead of your 50 year schedule!

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Re: FIRE and inheritance/gift money?
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2018, 08:48:28 AM »
Thank you. I feel the same, "I insist that my parents keep their money while alive," and "I also don't count on the inheritance when making my plans". I know the money is there, but it's my parents', and it's in the banks of a different country...

I guess the illness I had this year (I almost died, and was confined to bed for 5 months) made me somewhat in a hurry to retire... Last year, you can kill me before making me believe that I would become this ill, for this long.

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I insist that my parents keep their money while alive, in order to be prepared for horrible circumstances. I mean, small gifts make them happy, but once they start talking about giving me enough to allow them to cancel my brothers' debts...no thank you.

I also don't count on the inheritance when making my plans. It is entirely possible that my parents could outlive me. Heck, it is even likely that my in laws outlive me, even if they don't outlive their own child.

The especially baffling part of your math is that 5-7 years of work still puts you ahead of your 50 year schedule!
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Re: FIRE and inheritance/gift money?
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2018, 09:39:10 AM »
I understand your point about wanting to be independent, but personally, I feel that teaching is a difficult job and that if you feel ready to let it go, that makes some sense.  I interrupted my teaching career when taking up with Mr. Piano, who became FI through inheritance and who received help while his parents were alive also.  We are still discussing the options for my going back into teaching but it is nice to know that the money is not needed, so I can look for a position and situation where I feel good about the work I am doing.

My parents are not in a position to help me or give me inheritance, so I always behaved independently as you have done.  But the fact is, your parents are able to live on only half of their monthly income, and have substantial other assets.  I would take the $200 K and consoder my future. You might want to continue teaching but it would be nice if you could have that be a choice rather than a burden.

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Re: FIRE and inheritance/gift money?
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2018, 10:08:03 AM »
Take the money now while you're in good health and can enjoy it.

As a parent, if I had a child who had built a successful career and learned to manage money, I would be more than happy to pass on the money sooner rather than later.

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Re: FIRE and inheritance/gift money?
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2018, 11:51:50 AM »
You have a chance, take it and retire. Taking the money now will not cancel what you have accomplished on your own. You still managed to get your masters and phd on your own, got a good job on your own, lived on your own for many years and saved 300k on your own. No need to suffer to make a point and to who??

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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2018, 02:17:46 PM »
Mrs. Piano, thank you for your comment. Indeed, I've been thinking about what this teaching job means to me, and how much weight it has in my identity. I will keep considering your words, "it would be nice if you could have that be a choice rather than a burden."

I understand your point about wanting to be independent, but personally, I feel that teaching is a difficult job and that if you feel ready to let it go, that makes some sense.  I interrupted my teaching career when taking up with Mr. Piano, who became FI through inheritance and who received help while his parents were alive also.  We are still discussing the options for my going back into teaching but it is nice to know that the money is not needed, so I can look for a position and situation where I feel good about the work I am doing.

My parents are not in a position to help me or give me inheritance, so I always behaved independently as you have done.  But the fact is, your parents are able to live on only half of their monthly income, and have substantial other assets.  I would take the $200 K and consoder my future. You might want to continue teaching but it would be nice if you could have that be a choice rather than a burden.

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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2018, 02:18:21 PM »
Thank you for your advice!
Take the money now while you're in good health and can enjoy it.

As a parent, if I had a child who had built a successful career and learned to manage money, I would be more than happy to pass on the money sooner rather than later.

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Re: FIRE and inheritance/gift money?
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2018, 02:21:58 PM »
Thank you. Your comment made me think whether I am too obsessed with the idea of being independent, and with the desire of "proving myself".

You have a chance, take it and retire. Taking the money now will not cancel what you have accomplished on your own. You still managed to get your masters and phd on your own, got a good job on your own, lived on your own for many years and saved 300k on your own. No need to suffer to make a point and to who??

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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2018, 02:31:37 PM »
Thank you very much for taking the time to write so much. You and other people who commented on my post helped me understand my situation better, from different perspectives.

As you suggested, I will try to "reframe the past 15 years" -- perhaps my only limit is my way of thinking, my imagination.


It seems you have two goals in conflict now, but both are 'in your head'.  You want to retain independence, and you also now want to retire asap, given recent health circumstances.  You could wait until you can reconcile the two or just leap in and allow it to happen after the fact.  Unless there are more layers to not wanting your parents' money, I think just going ahead with allowing them to gift you funds would serve you 'better', sooner.

As well, perhaps consider what your near-death illness felt like to your parents, and how you would feel if you were in their shoes.  As a parent, I'd want to share my wealth so my child could attain their dreams, esp if they'd already 'proven themselves to themselves'. 

Can you reframe the past 15 years as having already accomplished this latter proof to yourself to your satisfaction?

ETA: Can you also view this period of early retirement as a training period where you get to explore how you will live / what you will support should you have the inheritance that seems likely?  There may be many versions of a life you could test out that would have merit to you.  Honing in on what specifics you consider contribute to your best life could be a good use of your time?  And if the inheritance doesn't materialize at all (or, god forbid, soon), you will be having the time of your life?

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Re: FIRE and inheritance/gift money?
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2018, 02:46:24 PM »
Thank you. Your comment made me think whether I am too obsessed with the idea of being independent, and with the desire of "proving myself".

You have a chance, take it and retire. Taking the money now will not cancel what you have accomplished on your own. You still managed to get your masters and phd on your own, got a good job on your own, lived on your own for many years and saved 300k on your own. No need to suffer to make a point and to who??

You have already proven yourself. Proving yourself doesn't have to be forever.

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Re: FIRE and inheritance/gift money?
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2018, 06:09:48 PM »
This has largely been said, but nothing you could receive now can "cancel out your efforts." You did what you did, and it sounds like you are (rightly) proud of what you accomplished. Nothing will take that away

I've been thinking about this a lot lately in the context of raising my one child. It's very important to me that he be capable of being hardworking and independent. It's not important to me at all, however, that he actually have to work hard and be independent