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Re: ENGINEERS - Why Does It Seem Like a Lot Don't Like Their Job?
« Reply #50 on: August 09, 2018, 12:52:25 PM »
As an engineer you start out with a relatively high salary but there are no opportunities to move up in pay unless you go the management track which gets you away from the detailed engineering work that you were hired to do and enjoy.

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Re: ENGINEERS - Why Does It Seem Like a Lot Don't Like Their Job?
« Reply #51 on: August 09, 2018, 01:00:49 PM »
For those who don't like their job, especially at MegaCorp... consider finding a new one! The whole attitude of "oh FI sure is neat, I'll just suffer for the next 10-15 years until there" is a really self-defeating attitude, and in my opinion no way to live a life.

I used to work for a MegaCorp and made the best of it while there (since like politics, all [or most] work culture is local), but put my money where my mouth is and moved across the country to work for a fun privately-held company making products I use and believe in, while having increased autonomy and opportunities for things to learn and focus on. World of difference.

If the problem is technical/managerial balance, or whatever it is, talk about it with your boss and make a positive proposal. Even if you still have to leave a place, taking action will always feel better than sitting back and feeling victimized.

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Re: ENGINEERS - Why Does It Seem Like a Lot Don't Like Their Job?
« Reply #52 on: August 09, 2018, 01:20:21 PM »
If you ask my dad, it's because they're always the smartest person in the room and that's exhausting.  :)

-FreshPops, Electrical Engineer since 1979

I was trying to find a nice way to say this and here it is.  But this ^^
Especially when everyone else in the room is above you on the corporate ladder.

If these engineers were so smart you’d think they would be able to find a job they liked.  There are plenty of examples of engineers who like there jobs.  Complaining about your job without doing anything about it is neither smart nor unique to this field.

P.s.  I have a CS degree and I was a very successful software engineer for 7 years. 


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Re: ENGINEERS - Why Does It Seem Like a Lot Don't Like Their Job?
« Reply #53 on: August 09, 2018, 02:17:25 PM »
O yea, and "your doing a great job, keep up the good work, here's a 3% raise"...WTF, I just saved this company over $500k and nearly killed myself working tons of hours to meet deadlines that weren't realistic to begin with...I feel really appreciated...
I think this sums it up pretty well

I also like the "thanks for the patent you produced in addition to and on top of your normal responsibilities, we made a quick couple million off it, here's $500 to show you how much we appreciate you...


Everything on this thread sounds familiar to me.  I'm not an engineer, rather a research chemist (happily FIREd).  Our IP attorneys gave us a one dollar bill for each patent.  I have a stack of them as a memento of my contributions to the megacorp.

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Re: ENGINEERS - Why Does It Seem Like a Lot Don't Like Their Job?
« Reply #54 on: August 09, 2018, 02:26:33 PM »
engineering is becoming a comodity.  I work in consulting and we are seeing increasing pressures from supply chain on rates.  Which is in turn leading to outsourcing.  We own a company in India now.  In my team we're actively automating processes basically automating ourselves out of jobs but we're the ones creating the automation so it will last longer.  But the glory days of engineering being a fast track to FIRE may be coming to a close once its viewed simply as a comodity. 

Paper is going away data is becoming king just like it is for the FAANG stocks.  Engineering designs will be done with heavy data on the back end which make it faster to issue packages and decrease the hours needed to produce the same amount of work.
This is fascinating because I see it too. In my current role, I'm seeing our own supply chain pressure - meaning - pressure from our customers, but also the pressure we are putting on our overseas sub contractors to decrease their rates.

But...as overseas countries are getting more and more business, and their standards of living are going up - THEIR costs are increasing, and being passed on to us.  So, in the process of planning out our "cost decreases" over the next 5 years, we are finding that we'll be lucky if they don't INCREASE.

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Re: ENGINEERS - Why Does It Seem Like a Lot Don't Like Their Job?
« Reply #55 on: August 11, 2018, 05:38:34 PM »
Engineer in the IT sector here. Most of my work life complaints apply to every job. I enjoy the actual engineering work but I can barely tolerate the work environment. Unrealistic project planning, impossible deadlines, interference from non-technical or otherwise unqualified departments, lack of responsibility. In most IT jobs I've worked, the team I'm on (infrastructure- server and os layer) winds up being the dumping ground for everything that other departments failed to build or built and failed to support/maintain with the expectation that the engineers will somehow make it work. On the plus side, we usually come through but, it's at the expense of high stress, long hours, short fuses and high turnover.

The pay is good but I could probably make as much being a truck driver.

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Re: ENGINEERS - Why Does It Seem Like a Lot Don't Like Their Job?
« Reply #56 on: August 11, 2018, 10:28:22 PM »
Some of this is surprizing to me... I heard somewhat similar from an engineer friend, though. He landed one of probably the best 3 jobs in the state right out of college, and he hates it, after just a year.

There's quite a gap between the idea of the work and the actual work, sometimes. The "perfect position for a handrail" comment... eugh.

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Re: ENGINEERS - Why Does It Seem Like a Lot Don't Like Their Job?
« Reply #57 on: August 13, 2018, 11:02:15 AM »
I chose Engineering because I excelled in the core disciplines and it was a good career track at the time.

25+ years on, I'm well burned out and am now 'engineering' my departure.

In hindsight, I can't complain too much.

I could have chosen a better financial career track, but at the same time could have chosen far poorer ones.

At this stage of the game, I actually enjoy working more on the data analysis / science side of things.   Not enough to keep me from RE too much longer though.

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Re: ENGINEERS - Why Does It Seem Like a Lot Don't Like Their Job?
« Reply #58 on: August 13, 2018, 01:04:42 PM »
I recently talked with an ED Tech who used to work in IT. He had a similar reason for leaving tech: you're "on" all the time. There's no scheduled down time on the job. There's no part of the work that you can do on automatic.

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Re: ENGINEERS - Why Does It Seem Like a Lot Don't Like Their Job?
« Reply #59 on: August 13, 2018, 10:01:54 PM »
As a trained Mechanical Engineer (B.Eng. Hons.) who worked for the corporation for 8 years, before retraining to take a pay cut and become a teacher, a couple of thoughts for this thread:

Firstly, engineers are generally asked to do things that they may consider to be illogical by managers that expect to be respected because of their position rather than their greater knowledge or other attributes - this is not logical.

Secondly, engineers are trained to find the most efficient solution to a problem.  Working for 45 years to spend money on things we don't need is the normal social program. - this is not logical.

Lastly, from my experience most engineers would, given a chance, grab that spanner/welder/grinder and fix the problem in a minute if they were allowed to.  They are not allowed to.  (this may be logical)

Putting the blowtorch of logic to anyone's current situation, which engineers are trained to do, suggests that working and investing, and getting out as soon as possible is the best engineered solution to the problem of being in the workforce.

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Re: ENGINEERS - Why Does It Seem Like a Lot Don't Like Their Job?
« Reply #60 on: August 13, 2018, 10:57:59 PM »
The reason I find my software engineering job hard to cope with, is that it abuses my brain. It makes me too one-dimensional, too analytically focused, less mentally balanced, and as a result way less happy. It exacerbates my autistic tendencies, pushes me to isolation as a coping mechanism, and eventually straight up makes me weird. I get less time to be sociable, fit, creative, funny, artistic, etc. It's similar to a runner with bad knees, a construction worker with bad back, etc. It's the consequences of the overuse of your brain. It's not well documented and not widely known, so most engineers just feel that something is wrong but can't explain it perfectly, but it's obvious if you know where to look.