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Ebike primer?
« on: October 09, 2023, 10:51:38 AM »
I'm thinking about getting an ebike to replace some of my around-town car trips.  Can anyone point me to a good resource for learning what's out there and what brands/kinds of bikes I should be looking at?  MMM's articles on the subject are from 2014/2015 and I suspect the landscape has changed quite a bit since then.

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Re: Ebike primer?
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2023, 01:17:06 PM »
I've been looking into e-cargo bikes recently, and this is the gist I've gotten. For a budget pick, the Aventon Abound is the new hot thing for a decent quality, compact-ish longtail. A bit heavy and has a rear-drive motor (hub-drive motors tend to feel a bit more "natural"), but you can't beat the price. Further up the scale, Tern bikes are very highly regarded- GSD is their full-size longtail, HSD is smaller, Quick Haul is very compact. Yuba is also a well-regarded brand. Rad is a cheaper option- they're decent bikes, with some quality issues. A possibility if you're price sensitive. If you just want a normal hybrid or cruiser, rather than cargo, I'd start by looking at Specialized. They've got a pretty wide range of options- not the cheapest, but within the realm of reason.

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Re: Ebike primer?
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2023, 07:52:42 PM »
There are lots of review videos on YouTube and I found them helpful in figuring what features would matter to me.

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Re: Ebike primer?
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2023, 09:12:58 PM »
My favorite YouTube channel about e bikes is called “propel” they are a little more upscale but do lots of good reviews of n a variety of regular and cargo e bikes. We are located in SoCal so we ended up buying our urban arrow family from their shop.

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Re: Ebike primer?
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2023, 11:03:50 PM »
I bought the REI Coop gen 1.1 e-bike and LOVE it!

I like that it’s smallish, not over-powered, can be easily used by the whole family.

Also the price was right since I got it for $800. Currently it’s still on sale but for $1200.

Also comes with lifetime service and some free repair (plus cost of materials) from REI, and they will replace the battery if needed (for cost — in other words, you won’t be stuck with something that doesn’t have replacement parts).

After riding it around for a few weeks I went off somewhere camping and brought my road bike. I was worried that maybe I’d gone soft from the e-bike. Nope! It just makes you ride more!

I also like that it’s not a wheelbarrow type. It’s just nimble!!

The fat tires are really fun because I can go off-road or on bumpy areas easily. I usually have it at level 1, but sometimes I ride it around at level 0. I only put it in higher power for steep hills. Wind? Ha! I laugh at the wind now (cycling in wind is my least favorite condition).

I’ve had to get places for meetings that were at the top of very steep hills and normally via road bike it would be an hour of brutal climbing and then I’d need another 30 minutes to stop sweating and towel off. With the e-bike, even though it’s work to pedal up those hills, I arrived in 25 minutes and without having sweated at all!

https://www.rei.com/product/189967/co-op-cycles-generation-e11-electric-bike
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Re: Ebike primer?
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2023, 02:17:23 PM »
We have an e-cargo bike (extracycle swoop) and a e-Cruiser (Gazelle). Both have a Bosch motor (although it looks like the swoop has changed out their motor to a shimano since we got ours).

I would check around and see what ebikes the mechanics near you will service. Some refuse to service any ebikes they didn't sell, others refuse depending on the motor type. I know our three local bike shops refuse to service anything without a bosch motor, and unfortunately not rad bikes because of the quality issues. You definitely want to be able to service your bike fairly easily.

Otherwise, E-bikes are absolutely amazing! We do so much more, go so much further and all on pennies worth of electricity.

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Re: Ebike primer?
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2023, 02:47:14 PM »
Do you already ride a regular bike? What do you want your ebike to do? (For instance, will you be hauling kids/groceries/pets or mostly commuting? How far?)

If you have the ability to go test drive some bikes in your price range, I would strongly advise trying a few different kinds!

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Re: Ebike primer?
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2023, 03:44:01 PM »
My husband has used an Aventon Level 2 for a few months now. He uses it 4 times on a regular workday (going to work, biking home for lunch, biking back to the office, and back home) and rides it for fun almost every weekend. So he uses it about 1 hour/day on weekdays and about 2 hours on weekends. It's been very reliable. The only maintenance we've needed to do on it was replace a flat tire that happened after he took a really busy main road. Husband says he may never go back to a regular bike again.

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Re: Ebike primer?
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2023, 08:21:18 AM »
I'm thinking about getting an ebike to replace some of my around-town car trips.  Can anyone point me to a good resource for learning what's out there and what brands/kinds of bikes I should be looking at?  MMM's articles on the subject are from 2014/2015 and I suspect the landscape has changed quite a bit since then.

I've had a handful of ebikes the past few years, some random thoughts:
  • You need to specify a budget for the bike. A new $800 ebike is radically different than a $4k ebike, obviously.
  • How is your fitness? and do you have fitness goals?
  • Replacing around-town car trips - be more specific. Are you talking about doing a week's worth of grocery shopping? riding down to the bottle shop? commuting for work?
  • Do you have knowledge, tools, skills to maintain your ebike? or do you intend to have a shop address any issues?
  • Are you an experienced rider? There are drop-bar road and gravel ebikes, and flat-bar upright ebikes. The upright bikes may make more sense if you're generally new to bicycling or have any issues with your back, neck, arms; whereas the drop-bar bikes are great for the experienced rider and those looking to really improve fitness.
  • What kind of surfaces will you be riding? Smooth suburban streets, pot-holes city streets, dirt, multi-use trails?

This should get you started. Once those questions are answered, you can then look into bikes and brands that fit your needs.

I started out on a 70lb ebike with fat tires (26x4") and a cadence-based hub motor. It was "fun," but became a huge PITA - due to weight and the hub motor/cadence sensor combo (there's no way to get pedaling cadence up on a sudden hill). I am grateful for the experience, but would never go that route again.

I have been riding a mid-motor torque-sensor flat-bar bike for +18 months now. This is most analogous to a regular bike in ride feel: the power you put in is amplified by the motor, whereas cadence sensor adds assist based on how fast you're pedaling (which sometimes requires flailing, and that is not good for your hips, legs, etc.). Those sudden hills I mentioned - I have several that require a 90* turn to enter, so having speed and cadence as you enter is nigh impossible - are now trivial with the torque-sensor bike. It's still heavy at 55lbs, but with more standard tires (27.5x2.1") the handling is so much better.

I use a collapsible fabric box on the rear rack and can easily get 2 grocery bags in it, and that weight hardly impacts the ride at all. I'm considering upping my game and going with panniers so I can do bigger shopping trips.

If you have health concerns such as heart, strength, etc. then a bike with throttle may make sense. These are typically cadence/hub-based, and they allow you to move without pedaling.

Full disclosure: I am using my regular human-powered (flat-bar hybrid bike) bike more and more, including the shopping trips. This was intentional: I started with an ebike to regain some fitness in my mid-50's, lost 35 lbs, and feel incredibly satisfied that I can, again, go wherever I want on my own power. I still ride my ebike, which is a hoot to ride even at low assist (10% assist and the motor is only 55nm); and is a blessing when I have heavy stuff to transport.

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Re: Ebike primer?
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2023, 11:04:59 AM »
Whereas, if I had to do it over, I wouldn’t get throttle assist at all. I don’t like it and have turned it off completely.

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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2023, 02:10:11 PM »
Whereas, if I had to do it over, I wouldn’t get throttle assist at all. I don’t like it and have turned it off completely.

Interesting! I love this feature - I use it to clear intersections more quickly, especially when towing baby.

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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2023, 03:06:53 PM »
Yeah, I can see that about throttle. Since mine is a pedelec, no throttle. But it still takes some getting used to that when you push down on the pedal, if you aren’t prepared or have it in a high assist mode, the bike leaps out in front of you.

The thing you have to get a bit used to as well is the urgency of gearing down before hills. Because according to the manual, trying to go up hill in high gear with high assist is bad for the motor. Plus you may come to a stop and then won’t be able to gear down while facing up hill. But as a regular cyclist, this is fairly natural to me.

Another point I think worth considering is the life of the battery if you don’t use the bike much. That’s one reason I like that mine is not overpowered, meaning there’s more battery to charge and potentially go bad if left uncharged too long. However, I do believe that the next model after mine has a bigger battery.
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Re: Ebike primer?
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2023, 08:47:13 PM »
Whereas, if I had to do it over, I wouldn’t get throttle assist at all. I don’t like it and have turned it off completely.

Interesting! I love this feature - I use it to clear intersections more quickly, especially when towing baby.

I don’t like to go very fast! In fact, I was recently passed by someone on inline skates. Lol  Plus, I rarely ride on actual streets, especially ones with any sort of traffic.