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Drowning in the phone thread
« on: June 15, 2013, 10:51:40 AM »
My brain hurts right now.   Shopping phones... there are so many, with so much info, with too many things to look up, argh!!!!    13 pages is a little much.  :(    Am looking for another plan, one I can use my current phone that is working fine, and would like if I could use the same number.   Is that too hard?  Apparently, lol.   Am shopping for me and daughter, since AT&T has done her wrong and we are canceling our acknowledgement of them very soon.   If I have to, I will read said 13 pages of info and have too many tabs open on the computer, but man... brain is really hurting, lol.

Thank you for letting me vent. :)

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Re: Drowning in the phone thread
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2013, 02:06:02 PM »
If you post your needs we could point you in the right directions.  Are you looking to go prepaid?

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Re: Drowning in the phone thread
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2013, 07:18:21 PM »
Would like to use phones I already have, they still work.   I can buy if I have to.  Would also like to use my current number, but it's not a requirement either.   I have 3 working smart android phones, daughter has working iphone.  We do have AT&T and Verizon coverage pretty good in our area.   We both use quite a bit of txt and phone, I want to cut back on data and only use that in emergency, bounce off wifi (we both are usually in wifi range). 

Any ideas??

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Re: Drowning in the phone thread
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2013, 08:05:44 PM »
I would suggest going over to Airvoice with the phones.  Are you out of contract?  It doesn't matter if the phones are unlocked.

Also, you should be able to port from Att to Airvoice without a problem.  The first step is to go on ebay or somewhere and get some airvoice sim cards.  Then you can do your port. 
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Re: Drowning in the phone thread
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2013, 10:08:07 PM »
What Kevin said, though it doesn't hurt to get the phones unlocked anyway.

Anyway... Theadyn, as for the overwhelming length of the Superguide? I'll let you in on a little tip: most any of the useful information that's been discussed in the hundreds of posts after the first seven in that thread usually works its way back into those first (core) seven posts, and most of my advice is usually some form of rehash of that information appropriate to specific people's needs from those core seven posts. There's useful little nuggets scattered throughout it in spots, but the reading's optional. :)

Well, my secret's out of the bag now.

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Re: Drowning in the phone thread
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2013, 11:54:08 PM »
Why air voice over ting?

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Re: Drowning in the phone thread
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2013, 12:31:01 AM »
Why air voice over ting?

Because Ting isn't some magical perfect solution for everyone, Baylor. I know the region Theadyn's actually in, and she's quite correct in her assessment of AT&T and Verizon being the primary carriers for her area, though Verizon drops off rapidly into Pioneer Cellular territory heading north. T-Mo has okay coverage, but Sprint is absolutely terrible.

Also, as much as I'm anti-smartphone, I'm also anti-waste. Why should she have to replace perfectly good cellphone hardware just because TING! TING! Why not TING!? Migration to an MVNO should factor all costs, including handset.

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Re: Drowning in the phone thread
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2013, 01:22:08 AM »
Makes sense. I hadn't looked at air voice and it probably would actually work better for me since I have an iphone.

If I can just get data usage under 1 GB.

Why air voice over ting?

Because Ting isn't some magical perfect solution for everyone, Baylor. I know the region Theadyn's actually in, and she's quite correct in her assessment of AT&T and Verizon being the primary carriers for her area, though Verizon drops off rapidly into Pioneer Cellular territory heading north. T-Mo has okay coverage, but Sprint is absolutely terrible.

Also, as much as I'm anti-smartphone, I'm also anti-waste. Why should she have to replace perfectly good cellphone hardware just because TING! TING! Why not TING!? Migration to an MVNO should factor all costs, including handset.

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Re: Drowning in the phone thread
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2013, 03:10:22 AM »
Phones are not very frugal and certainly not smartphones with spendy dataplans.  Most people these days don't ask if they really need a phone, then just have one.   Who has tried going without a phone?  What happened?

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Re: Drowning in the phone thread
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2013, 04:30:32 AM »
Phones are not very frugal and certainly not smartphones with spendy dataplans.  Most people these days don't ask if they really need a phone, then just have one.   Who has tried going without a phone?  What happened?

The smarter way to do smartphones is to use as little mobile data as possible if you want it to be cheap.  I wouldn't go without a smartphone.  I considered giving it up but I couldn't.  Too many basic luxuries like navigation on the phone and being able to use google maps and google search, as well as having an mp3 player and other things on the phone. 

My smartphone could be replaced easily for $150 or so with no contract and screens are $25 on ebay.  It runs on ptel pay as you go.  Doesn't get much cheaper than that unless you get into low-end phone territory which I don't recommend.  I avoid any phone that is stuck on Android 2.3 or lower.  It must have a minimum of a dual core processor, 1 gb of ram, and android 4.0.  Anything less is too frustrating to use.

Also to the OP, your iphones take micro sim so make sure you get the right size sim cards when you order them.
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Re: Drowning in the phone thread
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2013, 04:35:35 AM »
Ty Ty Ty!!   I had 8 tabs open trying to read on things and didn't even get to 7th post.  :).   Definitely going to check out air voice.  :)

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Re: Drowning in the phone thread
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2013, 05:29:03 AM »
I used airvoice in the past and their customer service was excellent, although they have some weird quirks now with their data packages, like giving your data allotment in chunks where you have to call them to unlock the next chunk of data to use it. 

If you want more airvoice specific info I'd read the airvoice subforum over at howard forums. 

http://www.howardforums.com/forumdisplay.php/711-Airvoice
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Re: Drowning in the phone thread
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2013, 09:26:39 AM »
The smarter way to do smartphones is to use as little mobile data as possible if you want it to be cheap.  I wouldn't go without a smartphone.  I considered giving it up but I couldn't.  Too many basic luxuries like navigation on the phone and being able to use google maps and google search, as well as having an mp3 player and other things on the phone.

My smartphone could be replaced easily for $150 or so with no contract and screens are $25 on ebay.  It runs on ptel pay as you go.  Doesn't get much cheaper than that unless you get into low-end phone territory which I don't recommend.  I avoid any phone that is stuck on Android 2.3 or lower.  It must have a minimum of a dual core processor, 1 gb of ram, and android 4.0.  Anything less is too frustrating to use.

Basic luxuries? Navigation? MP3 player? Sorry Kevin, I appreciate you pitching in some solid carrier advice here lately, but you've got a lot of growth yet on the whole subject of mobile phones as the hedonic adaptation treadmill's clearly got you by the short and stubblies.

Even many of the lowliest feature phones these days do just fine with MP3 playback. A dedicated GPS is cheaper if you even "need" one, but it's more valuable to learn how to use a map, learn the layout of your city, and plan ahead. You stick with the right manufacturers and style, many feature phones are designed like tanks and cost a third the price. I'd put a Nokia C3-00 or e61 up against any of your Android handsets any day of the week, and I'd guarantee that I'd still get the same level of "needed" internet access using less data, and have a functional phone several days after you did if we were to lose power and have to run the batteries down. If all someone needs is a basic phone for calling, I know of complete new handsets cheaper than what your screen replacements cost that'll last for a good number of years with a little basic care.

Smartphones are designed to wring your attention and your money. You may be going about spending money for smartphone service in a frugal fashion, but take it from a guy who's deliberately scaled back and revised his "it's worth spending a little extra for a Swiss Army Knife due to the extra features" stance. Nobody needs a smartphone, let alone a $150 smartphone. Any OS that's designed so poorly as to make a more expensive and "powerful" phone a necessity to keep it usable is clearly a terrible platform. (Not that I entirely agree with that conclusion and statement, as I've found Android handsets with a quarter of your barrel-bottom specs perfectly usable when there's no carrier bloatware.)

Also to the OP, your iphones take micro sim so make sure you get the right size sim cards when you order them.

There's a SIM cutter exchange thread. Also, if you have sharp scissors, an emory board and a steady hand, cutting one down on your own from a template 'aint no thing unless you're dealing with the 4FF nano-SIM in the iPhone 5, which gets a little trickier and less forgiving.



Phones are not very frugal and certainly not smartphones with spendy dataplans.  Most people these days don't ask if they really need a phone, then just have one.   Who has tried going without a phone?  What happened?

If you've ever read my superguide posted here (linked in my sigline), you'll note hidden between the lines is my sinister undertone of helping most people realize that they either don't need a lot of this stuff at all, or need so little of it, that there's no sense in spending more than a few shekels on it per month, and ultimately getting their entire communications budget down below the price point that they were just spending on cellphones frequently.

The problem, though, is hedonic adaptation. Take Kevin's cell phone advice here for example. Most people get so used to the idea, you have to ween them off it, and the first step is to re-introduce the concept of "these are just tools". Baby steps, my friend.

Normally, I suggest scaling back and ditching smartphones if the opportunity suits and the user can bring themselves to do it, let some other sucker take it over... but many times it's cheaper and easier to just tell someone to turn off the 3G data and stick with what they have, too. It removes a barrier to switching to the cheaper plan, especially if they find the posted information a bit overwhelming, which is understandable. The 12,000 words or so does make for an incredibly dense, information rich tome to digest.
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Re: Drowning in the phone thread
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2013, 09:43:56 AM »
I am not going to try to refute every single point, I.P. Daley.  I'm off today and it would take too much time.  But I'll say this.

- I paid about $7 bucks for a sim cutter a few years ago, and its nice to have. However, I wouldn't bother going to the trouble of spending a dollar or two to send it to other people when they could have their own for less than $10.  That's just me.  I dislike taking things to the post office.  If Theadyn wants to borrow a sim cutter, thats cool.  But you can also buy the proper sized sim card for the same price.

-I'm sorry you don't like Android and disagree with my stance on it.  I'm a basic guy who doesn't use my phone for any top secret activities.  But, I used to carry around a separate gps, mp3 player, smartphone, camera, etc.  I prefer not to have to do that anymore. Also I live in a new city and so it is very handy to have an on demand gps on my phone, which is already charged and doesn't require any additional steps like attaching it to the windshield. Also I like to listen to podcasts.  They can be downloaded directly to the device.  Then, my $120 dollar stereo from crutchfield can play the audio via stereo bluetooth.  As a bonus, the playback is stopped when dictating driving directions with the gps. Its really quite convenient.   Also, I can get work emails and the google voice integration works pretty well so I don't have to pay for texts as long as its wi-fi.

The whole thing about hedonic adaption is fine and all, but I'm not dogmatic about certain things and I happen to like the Android based lifestyle.  It works for me. Some things in life I'm willing to pay  for and this is one of them. 

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Re: Drowning in the phone thread
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2013, 10:12:00 AM »
By the way, this is why I think its silly to share a sim cutter.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-Sim-Card-Cutter-w-8-Sim-Adapters-for-iPhone-4G-4S-OS-/350676562827?pt=SIM_Cards&hash=item51a5f3b38b

My time is worth more than the $3 or so that I would save by borrowing one.  Also, I've used mine several times so I keep it around.
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Re: Drowning in the phone thread
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2013, 10:27:41 AM »
-I'm sorry you don't like Android and disagree with my stance on it.  I'm a basic guy who doesn't use my phone for any top secret activities.  But, I used to carry around a separate gps, mp3 player, smartphone, camera, etc.  I prefer not to have to do that anymore. Also I live in a new city and so it is very handy to have an on demand gps on my phone, which is already charged and doesn't require any additional steps like attaching it to the windshield. Also I like to listen to podcasts.  They can be downloaded directly to the device.  Then, my $120 dollar stereo from crutchfield can play the audio via stereo bluetooth.  As a bonus, the playback is stopped when dictating driving directions with the gps. Its really quite convenient.   Also, I can get work emails and the google voice integration works pretty well so I don't have to pay for texts as long as its wi-fi.

The whole thing about hedonic adaption is fine and all, but I'm not dogmatic about certain things and I happen to like the Android based lifestyle.  It works for me. Some things in life I'm willing to pay  for and this is one of them.

It appears I touched on a raw nerve, my apologies.... but I do hope it inspires you to think a little on why the idea of smartphones being overkill has elicited that sort of defensive reaction in yourself.

Anyway, that right there highlights and illustrates my point about starting at the bottom, deciding what you need or want, and going up on the feature scale to meet that. It's great that you put some thought into it and purchased to those apparent needs in your own life. That perception, however, seems to have colored your opinions on what's needed for everyone, to the point that you discard any handset lower than what suits your needs as generally irrelevant even for others. My point was just to highlight the issue that your approach can be quite frequently wasteful when you look at the world through "smartphone only" glasses, a tangential point SnackDog was trying to make which inspired your rebuttal to defend not just cellphones in general, but the necessity of a certain level of smartphone in your own life defended with words like "luxury".

Personally, I have no problem with Android or iOS as tool platforms when they're deployed correctly and with forethought... but I don't have near the system spec hangups. Heck, I even used to advocate lower-end Android handsets before realizing how utterly useless most of the features they bring to the party at their price point are, especially when compared to what you sacrifice in features that actually matter with mobile phones no matter the price point. Modern smartphones at any price suck at making calls, and nearly all of them (excuse the QWERTY slider models) suck at any sort of meaningful text input.

By the way, this is why I think its silly to share a sim cutter.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-Sim-Card-Cutter-w-8-Sim-Adapters-for-iPhone-4G-4S-OS-/350676562827?pt=SIM_Cards&hash=item51a5f3b38b

My time is worth more than the $3 or so that I would save by borrowing one.  Also, I've used mine several times so I keep it around.

You may have used it several times, but you're also a perpetual provider jumper as we've discussed in the past... something that most folk here don't need to do. But this is why I recommend a template and scissors. I find SIM cutters ridiculous for different reasons, but if anyone's going to use them, at least let the cutters get some real use without generating further waste in the form of buying something for a single or two-off use and letting it clutter your life or get tossed in the refuse heap. Shipping a good quality model to others who feel they need it still costs less than buying a cheap-o that you'll just eventually pitch, and it helps reduce the overall market demand for these worthless things to be made to begin with. There's also things to be said about deliberate efforts that may benefit others, but best left for another topic.

I might also point out that the SIM cutter trade thread wasn't even my idea. It just is.

It's all about the perspective. Relax a bit, and take in the bigger picture my friend.
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Re: Drowning in the phone thread
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2013, 10:35:33 AM »

It's all about the perspective. Relax a bit, and take in the bigger picture my friend.

I.P., I enjoy reading your posts, and appreciate your thoughtful stance on everything. However, when you say my smartphone has me by the short & curlies, that is somewhat offensive and elicits a thought out reply to that statement as I provided above. I don't think there is anything defensive about it. (clarify- I am defending my use of a smartphone, but I'm not offended personally)

However, others can benefit from my perspective just as much as yours. Especially someone with 2 androids and an iphone.

Also, by the way, I find the text input on modern androids very good.  I'd much rather use it over a keyboard phone. I use Swype.
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Re: Drowning in the phone thread
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2013, 10:52:10 AM »
However, others can benefit from my perspective just as much as yours. Especially someone with 2 androids and an iphone.

I don't necessarily disagree.

Also, I too have used Swype. I was unimpressed, and I'll still take a chicklet keyboard. ;)

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Re: Drowning in the phone thread
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2013, 10:58:19 AM »
I.P.  I have been known to eat my words a few times. You never know, next year I might be sporting a flip phone or none at all. I'm certainly open to changing my opinion on things. Life can be so unpredictable and I try to evolve my viewpoint as I go through life.

Also I have to ask, why would I be lambasted for using a similar setup to what you have outlined in the first post of your guide?
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Re: Drowning in the phone thread
« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2013, 07:50:47 PM »
Phones are not very frugal and certainly not smartphones with spendy dataplans.  Most people these days don't ask if they really need a phone, then just have one.   Who has tried going without a phone?  What happened?

My sweetheart and I shut down our AT&T iPhones a year ago. We decided it was part of our 5 year plan to get the hell out of California.

We calculated the $1400 after tax dollars per year per phone, multiplied by 5 years, would be $14,000 we could put into the downpayment on a house. We now have pay as you go dumb phones.

About once a month we get into a situation where we would like the convenience of a smartphone, but we always figure out some way to get what we need. Occasionally we even talk to other humanoids for information.

It can be done. If you have bigger goals, it can be done.

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Re: Drowning in the phone thread
« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2013, 11:06:25 PM »
Phones are not very frugal and certainly not smartphones with spendy dataplans.  Most people these days don't ask if they really need a phone, then just have one.   Who has tried going without a phone?  What happened?
Spouse and I use entry-level pay-as-you-go LGs with Verizon service.  We use them for travel.  The rest of the year we I make sure to cough up $15 every 90 days to avoid a re-activation fee.  Spouse missed a deadline over a year ago and hers is now a 911 car phone.

A cell phone was a great tool when I was helping my Dad move from the hospital to an Alzheimer's care facility.  As you can imagine, now that phone evokes negative images whenever I have to use it.

My biggest issue with cell phones is the lack of a presbyopian model.  Even a Jitterbug display is too small.  At this point it'll be easier to replace my lenses than to wait for the phone industry...