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Cell Bill - face punch worthy?
« on: May 19, 2015, 08:03:48 AM »
I am currently working on reducing monthly expenses and the amount people pay for cell phones seems to be something that gets pointed out frequently and it got me thinking about how much I spend and if it is outrageous. My husband and I currently have US Cellular and pay $106 a month ($53 for each line) for two smartphones. We share the plan with 3 other people (parents & sister) but they pay their own share. What do you think, is this an acceptable amount? We don't have a home phone, so this is our only phone expense. We also live in rural Maine so I'm not sure many of the other discount providers would work for us but if you think this is an area we could spend less I would love to hear suggestions!

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Re: Cell Bill - face punch worthy?
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2015, 08:16:12 AM »
Depends on your usage. Are you still bound to a contract?

Might want to check the coverage maps of the other carriers on their respective websites (or even trial with a cheap prepaid SIM if possible), to see if another carrier will work in your area.

I.P. Daley will be able to assist with some carriers which would work in your area.

Maybe you can switch to another carrier on the same network and keep your existing phone :)

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Re: Cell Bill - face punch worthy?
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2015, 08:37:13 AM »
Does the $106 include the usage by the extra people on the plan, or is it just your share?  If it's the total bill, you're in good shape.  If it's just your share, there's some room for improvement.

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Re: Cell Bill - face punch worthy?
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2015, 08:39:46 AM »
Just curious?  Why do you choose to live in "rural Maine?"   I may be wrong but doesn't the weather suck there about 80% of the time?

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« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2015, 09:13:56 AM »
It could certainly be better. 53 per person when split over 5 people seems like a lot.

Perhaps you don't get coverage with ATT or Verizon? Even their plans should be 45 or less for a very generous data package.

You can go far less if you go with a reseller (cricket, republic, aio wireless, etc) and get only the right amount of service.

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Re: Cell Bill - face punch worthy?
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2015, 09:15:42 AM »
It really depends on what part of Maine you live in and frequent. USC has the best coverage of the state, with AT&T a far second, third and even worse Verizon, a very close fourth with T-Mobile, and Sprint pulling in the rear only covering the I-95 corridor up through Bangor.

Unfortunately, USC is a CDMA carrier, which means going CDMA MVNO with roaming agreements with them if you need their coverage specifically. Those roaming agreements, however, do not include data. Ting is a Sprint first CDMA roamer with USC coverage, Selectel is Verizon first with USC roaming agreements and no Verizon 4G LTE handset activation (yet - though it's supposedly coming soon). Unfortunately, this isn't like Wisconsin where the non-USC CDMA networks also have good native coverage in most places and you just fudge the better total coverage with USC roaming in the outliers.

This brings us around to the GSM end, Ting again gets brought up as they have off-network roaming agreements with Verizon's old Unicel GSM network in the area to expand coverage beyond T-Mobile native, and though that coverage does tag more of the state than a no-roaming, AT&T exclusive MVNO, you run into the same data roaming restrictions, the T-Mobile first network coverage and lack of AT&T roaming. That brings us to Consumer Cellular as a better overall option, but once again, you're dealing with data coverage restrictions when you roam off AT&T's native network. That said, of all the GSM options, Consumer Cellular will give you a far bigger data footprint and a slightly bigger voice footprint than Ting GSM and nearly the same voice footprint as US Cellular between all their roaming agreements due to the inclusion of roaming on T-Mobile and the older, Verizon owned Unicel GSM network out in the fringier parts. It all comes back to how important data roaming is and where exactly you're located.

Have some relevant coverage maps:
https://www.consumercellular.com/Map
https://www.selectelwireless.com/wp-content/themes/neighborhood/my_images/Prepaid_Coverage.gif
http://ting.com/coverage

Keep in mind they're provider network maps, so they're always overly optimistic on real-world coverage.

If the pricing structure works and voice coverage is more important, your best bet overall coverage wise to reduce costs is going to be Consumer Cellular, but you're going to deal with the additional cost of new handset investment... but that's going to be true for any switch away from USC to save money, CDMA or not. Again though, it's dependent on whether their pricing structure works for your average usage profile. They are one of the more expensive MVNOs out there due to the roaming agreements and AT&T first coverage, but they can still be worth it if your collective overall usage isn't too high.

If data coverage is the most important, and voice coverage is nearly equal but secondary, you know what game is in town and you're already playing ball with them.

tl;dr: It all comes down to the coverage maps and ensuring you have native network coverage for your primary areas. The four MVNOs in Maine I'd recommend without knowing a ZIP code, in this order, are going to be: Consumer Cellular, Selectel, Ting GSM, and lastly Ting CDMA. All have roaming agreements, and all have similar voice roaming footprints in the state with diminishing native network and data coverage. None of them can substitute for US Cellular if US Cellular is absolutely needed as your primary carrier.

You'll note, the native network coverage with those four options goes AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile and Sprint - the same pecking order as first mentioned on general native network coverage without roaming. Selectel and Ting CDMA both voice roam onto USC. Consumer Cellular and Ting GSM both roam onto Verizon's Unicel GSM, but only Consumer Cellular is AT&T native and inclusive with T-Mo and Unicel roaming. All these providers are likely going to want non-roaming native network coverage for your billing address.

I'm also not sure you could get away with any non-roaming MVNOs, but if you could, your best and most realistic options will only be an AT&T one like Airvoice, H2O Wireless or Puretalk USA, as AT&T is the second biggest native network in the state.

Hope this helps give you a realistic idea of your actual options. Any other questions, just ask.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2015, 09:21:05 AM by I.P. Daley »

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Re: Cell Bill - face punch worthy?
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2015, 09:47:17 AM »
Republic Wireless is another easy alternative and is $5-25/mo depending on what you want.

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Re: Cell Bill - face punch worthy?
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2015, 10:37:45 AM »
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« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2015, 10:55:45 AM »
*headdesk*
*pats I. P. Daley on the head* Now, now, just because not everyone takes the time to read the thread fully, doesn't mean your posts aren't valuable. :)

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« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2015, 11:09:26 AM »
*pats I. P. Daley on the head*

Thank you.

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Re: Cell Bill - face punch worthy?
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2015, 11:11:42 AM »
*headdesk*
*pats I. P. Daley on the head* Now, now, just because not everyone takes the time to read the thread fully, doesn't mean your posts aren't valuable. :)

And some people are willing to spend just a few dollars per month to have something more simple and convenient. I am very comfortable with technology, but I find the convenience worth $5/month. Some of IP's ideas are great for some people. But some people get overwhelmed by them and that makes them a nonstarter. I know IP hates Republic. OP didn't state how the phones would be used. Wifi only is a good option for some of us.

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Re: Cell Bill - face punch worthy?
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2015, 11:21:14 AM »
I can't add anything to the coverage discussion, but I've had great experiences negotiating contracts.  Are you the main account holder?  If not, you'll need to get the main account holder on board and discuss the options of switching (using the above as a guide, but you may not have great options).  I've done negotiations two ways, one with another option that I give them as my BATNA, and another with the premise of "I really like my service, but the price is too high."  If you are still in your two year contract period, there's not much you can do, but keep this in mind for when the contract ends. 

As the rules of negotiations go, I get better results with a good BATNA, but if I really don't want to switch, I wouldn't say I would.  It is important to remember the time you've had with your phones, your future plans to get new phones, and current new contract prices.  When you've got new phones, you're typically paying them off with a higher contract rate, that stays the same even after the phone is paid off (the 2 year contract).  I've been able to help two of my friends get at least $25 off their bills, one of which got a newer iPhone with this deal, while the other kept her current smart phone. 

With all that said, $260 for 5 people seems like a lot to me.  You should be getting a discount for that many lines.

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Re: Cell Bill - face punch worthy?
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2015, 11:24:54 AM »
I am still in a contract, it would cost about $300ish a person to break.
My work does get a discount with AT&T but when I went it to see what our plan would be if we switched it was still more than what we pay now.
$106 is just our share, everyone pays $53 a month for a shared 1GB plan.
Thanks so much for the detailed response I.P. Daley, based on the coverage maps Ting and Selectel Wireless are definitely out but Consumer Cellular looks like it might work, I will definitely look further into that.
Republic is also out based on the coverage map. 

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Re: Cell Bill - face punch worthy?
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2015, 11:26:13 AM »
Just curious?  Why do you choose to live in "rural Maine?"   I may be wrong but doesn't the weather suck there about 80% of the time?

Meh, only about 50% of the time. But seriously, I am a born a bred Mainer (expect for a very brief stint where I lived in Colorado while taking “a year” off college) and I think it is the greatest state in the nation!  I should elaborate on the “rural” part, I am not living in the Northern wilds of Maine, I am just in a small coastal town that can neither be described as urban or suburban so that only leaves rural to describe it. I live about half an hour from Bar Harbor/Acadia National Park so it is like being on permanent vacation; in the summer I can be hike or bike or kayak, and in the winter can snow shoe, cross country or down hill ski, ice skate, in the most amazingly beautiful place, it really is like living in a post card. The cost of living is also low and my husband and I each make $60,000 a year so Maine has been good to us (minus the horrible cell service coverage!)

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« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2015, 11:39:57 AM »
Maine sounds wonderful!  I need to get there someday!

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« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2015, 12:10:54 PM »
I'm on republic wireless and they have really great $10/month and $25/month plans. I've not tried it, but I've heard freedom pop is good too, I hear they even have a free plan. Whatever you choose, good luck!

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Re: Cell Bill - face punch worthy?
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2015, 05:52:14 PM »
How long is left on your contract? It might be worth checking if the savings made by switching make up for paying the early termination/possibly buying a new handset.

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« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2015, 08:18:43 PM »
And some people are willing to spend just a few dollars per month to have something more simple and convenient.

Oh yeah, real simple and convenient. Like how Frufrau has no customer support department to contact at Republic to sort her billing and account issues?

I know IP hates Republic.

No, I do not hate Republic. I simply think they are a terrible MVNO for the money, especially when measured against the competiton, and I've repeatedly detailed out why ad nauseum. That is not hate, that is an informed decision.

What I do hate is uninformed people who make terrible recommendations without considering the real world shortcomings of the service they suggest, mislead others on what I actually recommend and say, and insist on telling other people what I think... well, maybe hate is a strong word. Not hate, simply dislike.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2015, 08:23:42 PM by I.P. Daley »

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Re: Cell Bill - face punch worthy?
« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2015, 08:22:49 PM »
Thanks so much for the detailed response I.P. Daley, based on the coverage maps Ting and Selectel Wireless are definitely out but Consumer Cellular looks like it might work, I will definitely look further into that.

Not a problem, glad to help as always. :)

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« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2015, 08:52:39 PM »
One thing folk may not take into account is that if you use an unlocked handset, and an MVNO changes their terms and increases prices or you move to an area that's outside of the particular MVNO's coverage area, it's usually trivial to change to another carrier, get their SIM, port your number and you're good to go. If a carrier uses a locked, proprietary handset, their phone may not be able to be used on any other carrier, so you're locked into whatever changes they may make down the track, unless you buy another phone.

Sorry folks, but vendor lock-in isn't Mustachian.

My phone is on it's third carrier in the space of less than a year, no new handset needed for either change. The most frugal phone is the one you already own :)

EDIT: made my post a bit more generic
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« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2015, 09:42:54 AM »
Personally I think Republic Wireless has great Customer Service, I've only needed to contact them once, but I talked to an english speaking person and it was a very simple and pleasant transaction. It's hard to say Republic Wireless is not mustachian when it's the company used by mr. money mustache himself... I agree that it sucks the phone can't be used with other companies, and they already have a major price increase in their history, but I trust them and am happy to have chose them as my cellular provider. $10/month to get me the best coverage I've ever had, better than verizon and sprint(because it's basically the same coverage as verizon and sprint, with the added benefit of WIFI usage). I will agree however, that if you want 4G internet, or unlimited internet(because you are a slave to the internet) then maybe republic isn't the company for you.

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Re: Cell Bill - face punch worthy?
« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2015, 10:07:16 AM »
The mustachianess (mustachiosity?) of Republic is a moot point as according to their coverage map about 1/3 of Maine is no coverage, and 2/3 is roaming, with only a couple of tiny little clusters (where I do not live) having any service.