Author Topic: Case Study - What retirement accts to use in face of extreme uncertainty..  (Read 2050 times)

kitkat

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Life Situation: Single, 25, no kids, live with partner + housemates

Gross Salary: $79,200 (I'm young so this is still increasing)

Pre-Tax deductions: 7% to Pension (~$5500/year)

Taxes:
Social Security/Medicare (~$6000/year)
Federal
California

Monthly Take-Home Pay: ~$4220 at current withholdings rate

Current Monthly Expenses:
Rent: $790
Water/trash/gas/electric: $50
Internet: $15
Netflix/Spotify/Hulu (some shared): $17
Cleaning (shared house.. it keeps the peace): $16
Climbing Gym: $67
Donate: $50
Car (2006, owned for 9 years): $125 ($50 for insurance plus I save monthly for registration+smog ($200/2y), tires (est $400/4y), eventual replacement, and maintenance)
Travel: $275 (includes cross-country flights to see family, vacations, local road/camping trips, and occasional big-ticket activities such as music festivals)
Groceries: ~$175
Clothing, basic household supplies and toiletries, coin-op laundry, gasoline, transit, occasional other shopping (e.g. camping gear): $175
Restaurants, bars, coffee shops, outings with a youth I mentor, occasional comedy show/movie/activity, etc, etc: $400
(please save your punches, I am not asking about reducing my spending here)

Total Monthly Expenses: $2155
Excess available for saving: $2065 (this is post-tax)

Assets:
Roth IRA: $12600
Pension balance (if I decided to cash out): $9450
Brokerage: $6600
Cash: $5000

Liabilities: None


So my question is what retirement accounts should I be using? I just realized I have a 403b and 457 available to me in addition to my pension (so no match on either). I also am unsure if I should keep maxing out Roth or switch to doing Traditional. I *think* that right now I am in the 25% tax bracket, but if I were to throw the ~2k/month into pre-tax accounts (in which case I would have even more than 2k/month available) I would drop down to the 15% bracket.

I'm unclear as to how I would fund my retirement from ages 35-59 if ALL of my money is in the 403b and Traditional IRA. I understand conversions and such are available, but I am talking about needing entire annual living expenses to be funded by this. (Plus, shouldn't I be taking advantage of 0% capital gains somehow during retirement?) I'm leaning towards doing 457 so that I can access my money anytime I retire early, but at the same time I do actually love my job and I don't know that I will even want to quit when the time comes. I'm in academia and basically people work here until they die (even if part time or with extended leaves/sabbaticals). Also, what if I need to make a large purchase at some point while still working and, again, ALL of my money is in retirement accounts? This is where my 'extreme uncertainty' comes in...

So, considering that I have ~24,000 year to save (post-tax, and rising as I get raises), where should I be putting it?
- Roth IRA (contributions are always accessible, but pay 15-25% marginal tax now)
- Traditional IRA (pay income tax later either when withdrawn or converted to Roth)
- 457 (we have good fund options with low expenses, gov employer so can rollover into an IRA or withdraw when I retire, but can't access until 70 if I don't leave employer)
- 403b (can access at 59.5 no matter what, also can rollover into IRA)
- Brokerage

letired

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My strong preference is for the 457 account in my personal plan. Penalty-free withdrawal any time after leaving employer? Yes please!

I am no longer with that employer, and the balance will always be on the low side, relative to my other accounts, but being able to pull from it and only pay income tax is pretty sweet! It is complimented by my Roth IRA, from which I'll be able to pull contributions. I'm not great at doing the tax planning calculations, but in the 'priority' list that floats around, I believe contributing/maxing a 457 falls on the same line as 401k/403b.

ETA: If you really want to get badass, the max for the 457 is separate from the max for the 403b (I believe). So if you do a bit of both, you can save that entire 24k pre-tax.

There are actually a couple threads on 457 accounts floating around the Taxes board.
« Last Edit: July 20, 2016, 06:23:44 PM by letired »

MDM

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So my question is what retirement accounts should I be using?
See the 'Investment Order' tab in the case study spreadsheet.

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I'm unclear as to how I would fund my retirement from ages 35-59 if ALL of my money is in the 403b and Traditional IRA.
See http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/investor-alley/how-to-withdraw-funds-from-your-ira-and-401k-without-penalty-before-age-59-5/.