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Not sure how you would define "big", but my husband is 9 years older than I am. We brought around the same assets to the table (long back story), and have made roughly the same over the course of our employment. I'd like us to retire (full on retire) at roughly the same time. I'll actually be going part time (in the upcoming months) while he works full time. This is by mutual choice, and my health (I have lupus, so energy management is important). He's not at a place where he even thinks about retirement, and has quite a bit more energy than me.

We're more anchored on a timeline of "when will the kids both be out of school", which is in 7 years. At that point, we'll both likely revisit our plans, potentially relocate to a cheaper COL, sell our house, etc. That would free him to quit earlier, if he chooses.

Deciding whether or not to have kids, and at what age, was a much hairier & more involved topic for us than retirement or finances have proven to be.

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I don't know, you can have those same problems with a marriage where spouses are close in age, though. It's just less likely. Ideally, it's not betting it won't happen to you, it's betting you'll work through it anyway.

If the older SO/spouse is worried about spending both his/her own money down AND leaving the younger one destitute, FIRE may have been declared a little bit early, no?

A relationship will have plenty of "something bads" to weather - the 70 year old won't want to go bankrupt whether in a relationship with a 50 year old or a 70 year old. A commitment to eating well and exercising is a great idea for finances, a good lifespan, and a good healthspan, whatever your SO's age. It just may be even more relevant for couples like these. An HDHP plan with sufficient assets to guarantee the deductible is a good way to help cap health-spending concerns, too.
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My husband is 9.5 years older than me which I consider to be a pretty big age difference but of course there are larger ones.  I earn more and brought more assets into the relationship.  DH is very frugal and works extremely hard but has never earned much money.

In our case, for my husband to retire at or slightly before a normal age (65) is the goal.  Before discovering MMM he was always saying that he'd never retire.  He is a small business owner and has a spotty record of retirement contributions.  I envisaged myself working to support him in retirement which was kind of depressing as it would be nice to spend a few year travelling and being free.  Now we are trying to save more with the goal of him retiring early 60s and me early 50s.  Not exactly early retirement but not too bad. 

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My husband is 10 years older.  We have been planning to retire in four years (he at traditional retirement age, me 10 years early).  Two months ago, DH was diagnosed with cancer and given a prognosis of 2.5 years.  So, now we have no idea what's going to happen.  Best laid plans and all of that...

My aunt was married to a man about 15 years her senior.  They retired at the same time but she HAD to retire (or go on disability).  She ended up dying first.  He is still alive ten years later.  My mom was married to a man about 20 years her senior.  They retired at the same time...when SHE was 62 (he was a bit of a workaholic).  She spent about 5 years in a constant state of care giving before he died.

One can plan and plan and plan.  But in the end, you never really know how it's all going to turn out...

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I'm really sorry to hear about the cancer diagnosis, ladychips.

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Thanks Malkynn and Hula Hoop for your kind words.  One thing I didn't say... although you can't know how things are going to turn out, I know we are in better shape to deal with whatever comes because we've been mustachian.  I can't imagine dealing with end of life stressors if money were a problem too!

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We have a 10 year age gap.  Both my inlaws died around 4 years ago.  They had health issues but were financially stable and never needed any kind off long term care and both died at home.  it was still hard seeing my husband go through the illness and death of his parents.  But now that my mother has a serious health issue he is able to understand and support me as he has already been through it.

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I think the younger person takes too big a risk if they retire young and don’t have enough assists once the older one dies to stay retired.  Some say they will just return to work but too many unknowns being out of the work force for 20 years.

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I don’t think it is a given that you will support someone’s parents married or not. Helping to find them resources and to apply for those resources is what I would do.  Low income seniors have many programs available to them.  It also takes planning as low income senior housing can have waiting lists of a few years.  Or it might require the senior to get a roommate or move to a lower cost of living.  My ex was 9 years older and our plan was for him to retire st 62 and me at 58 so I would have a decent pension. I retired at 58 and my husband being 5 years younger was going to wait until 58. Then he got laid off and couldn’t find a job. We thought about moving somewhere that had lots of openings for engineers but in the end didn’t want to so he took his pension early with a penalty.

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I’m mid 30s and my husband is early 50s so similar ages to the couple in the OP. We’ve been together for 6 years.

We came to the relationship with similar net worth and still have mostly separate money that we are gradually combining.

He is not particularly interested in FIRE, but on board with downshifting, and I would probably prefer to work part time until he reaches a more ‘traditional’ retirement age of 60 or 65 anyways so that part will work out fine.

Not that it matters, but I think family and friends will be a lot more accepting of my early retirement ‘to travel with X while he is still able’ than otherwise.

In Australia fees for residential aged care are partly set by government and take into account the needs of the partner remaining at home. Before we pull the plug on work this is something we should definitely look into and make sure the stash will cover what I need to be comfortable if he needs care before I do.

However, to me those are huge IFs and MAYBEs that I won’t use to make decisions about my happiness. I would not say no to 25 years with my husband because he might then need residential care that would be a financial burden for me. So many things could happen in that time - a divorce, an early and unexpected death for either of us, a course of ageing that makes care at home until death easy, I could acquire a disability and need HIS care, or he could be the picture of health until his 80s and then suddenly drop dead. Who knows?

But I do think for those who are older and single it’s normal to need more time with someone to decide if you will go ‘all in’.

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Another example of a large age difference here, my SO had already retired when we met while I was in my late 20s. Being on a state pension it has been a challenge to make things work financially. My SO is very clear with me that saving for the future is not one a shared priority. It kind of makes sense having overcome advanced stage skin cancer and a mild stroke. SO had what I considered significant consumer debt when we met and I basically paid off all of it in the early years of our marriage. It irks me that there have been insinuations that I was freeloading in the early years when I moved continents to be with my SO, paid off a ton of debt and had to restart my career at the very bottom of the corporate ladder.

Our current setup is that I max out tax advantaged accounts and any and all raises result in increased savings rates. I do feel a little guilty but ultimately I don't put my foot down too much to reign in spending and realize that my SO's life would have been very different with the bad spending habits still in place. SO travels a lot, is probably away from home about 80--100 days a year in addition to when we travel together. I hope to RE as well but that won't be for another 8-9 years at the earliest.

I have contemplated splitting our finances again as I do feel there is still a lot of unreasonable spending explified by buying an older vehicle (sports car) for $20k+ against my will when I was on a work trip.

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I have contemplated splitting our finances again as I do feel there is still a lot of unreasonable spending explified by buying an older vehicle (sports car) for $20k+ against my will when I was on a work trip.

Wo-oo-ww. The alarm bells are broken from ringing too loudly.

I could not see that as anything but a brazen betrayal of trust. As for "saving for the future not a shared priority," I'm not sure how to interpret that other than that your personal future is not his concern, despite the fact that you mortgaged it for him. If his attitude is "I'm going to get mine, deal with it," I really hope you at least separate your finances ASAP.

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have contemplated splitting our finances again as I do feel there is still a lot of unreasonable spending exemplified by buying an older vehicle (sports car) for $20k+ against my will when I was on a work trip.

He spent 20K of your money on an old sports car! Or did he have 20K tucked away for such a purchase?
I think you are supporting his bad habits he is enabled by you to continue make poor spending decision. You paid off his debt, now you bought him a sports car.
Not even a discussion about a big ( I mean BIG) purchase like that?

I would separate our finances immediately. Also I feel there may be a power dynamic there that is not in your favor. Who would make such a purchase without a discussion in a Marriage? ( a partnership).

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I have contemplated splitting our finances again as I do feel there is still a lot of unreasonable spending explified by buying an older vehicle (sports car) for $20k+ against my will when I was on a work trip.

Wo-oo-ww. The alarm bells are broken from ringing too loudly.

I could not see that as anything but a brazen betrayal of trust. As for "saving for the future not a shared priority," I'm not sure how to interpret that other than that your personal future is not his concern, despite the fact that you mortgaged it for him. If his attitude is "I'm going to get mine, deal with it," I really hope you at least separate your finances ASAP.

Yes. Lots of alarm bells.

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I have contemplated splitting our finances again as I do feel there is still a lot of unreasonable spending explified by buying an older vehicle (sports car) for $20k+ against my will when I was on a work trip.

Wo-oo-ww. The alarm bells are broken from ringing too loudly.

I could not see that as anything but a brazen betrayal of trust. As for "saving for the future not a shared priority," I'm not sure how to interpret that other than that your personal future is not his concern, despite the fact that you mortgaged it for him. If his attitude is "I'm going to get mine, deal with it," I really hope you at least separate your finances ASAP.

Yes. Lots of alarm bells.

Prior to my trip we had discussed that the SO wanted to buy a convertible and we even looked at a few. Ultimately buying one without consulting with me or even respecting my opposition to the purchase was a pretty tough pill to swallow. Since I keep getting reminded that SO loves this car and never wants another car I've settled, it's not like we can return it. It's about $9k underwater 1.5 years into the car loan (at 5.99%). The loan is in SO's name but this is a community property state after all.

Some additional context may help as well. SO is on a state pension making roughly $4500 net, $800 of that is allocated to a travel fund for those individual trips. I contribute roughly $4k net to our joint account and save the rest of my income (grossing about 105k in 2018) in brokerage and tax advantaged retirement account(s) so despite all of this I am still saving a good bit.

I am of the opinion that it would not be fair to my SO to expect that I can free load and save most of my income, limiting the retirement perks for my SO. As a result, this seems like a good (enough) compromise at this time. One our recurring bills go down (car loans are about done) I will bring up the topic of reducing our joint account funding and increase my savings further.

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I am in the age difference boat and I'm the older one (~15 years). I'm the one who came to the relationship with financial skills and a vision for FIRE, but she saw what it offered and has been participating the 10 years we've been together.  We're basically doing the math to have enough for both of us to retire early (without regard to who brought what to the relationship), within a few years of each other.  I have a couple more years to vest in my pension, and she wants to have 10 years at her current job, so we're looking at around 2.5 more years for me and maybe 4 for her.  Also, we both expect to have some kind of PT paid work for a bit after that. 

Special considerations given the age gap: (1) 3.5% SWR rather than 4%. (2) Paid off mortgage by the time she retires (3) Having a spouse (but not an unmarried partner) that is 10 or more years younger reduces the size of your mandatory withdrawals (https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/jlls_rmd_worksheet.pdf)! (4) I will also have my pension reduced in order to pass it on to her. (5) Allocations in her retirement accounts will be more aggressive than in mine at my retirement since we'll be using my accounts first and will leave hers to grow.

Challenging assumptions: (1) Longevity: Women in my family live to their late 90's.  Women in her family don't fare as well so we're not so different in our expected longevity.  (2) Aging parents:  Her folks are younger than mine, but mine are doing fine health-wise and have lived a frugal life.  They are doing well in their very modest life and haven't needed our assistance yet.  I also have siblings who are willing to help.  In contrast, her folks have never learned to budget and have both experienced significant health issues already. Indeed, they are selling their home (which will only pay off their mortgage), and moving near us so we can help them both physically and financially. A sibling is providing minimal assistance.

@Ladychips - Wishing you and your husband only the most positive of outcomes.

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There are differences because of an age gap, but I don't think that one person FI early is by default one of them.

DH and I are only 3 months apart in age.   I am FI and he will work for another 20 years, most likely.  He chose a lower stress job that he likes, that does not pay a lot... and stayed home with the kids for 11 years.

There is a difference  of opinion / compromise about where we want to live after kids are done living at home.   We defaulted to the status quo because neither one of us is more "right" than the other about this.

For travel -- this meant that last year he travelled with me for 2 weeks, while I stayed in Europe for another 3 weeks without him.    Sure, there was some jealously (very mild), but no different from when he would take the kids to fun summer activities and vacations while I stayed home and worked.

I will also start to take backpack / hiking trips alone, and that is OK, too.
It is not about the age, but the mindset, and the ability to be together and still do separate things sometimes.

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My DH is 9 years older, I was a SAHM while our kids were little plus he has always been the higher income earner. It's rather worked out to my benefit that we have always considered everything "our" money. This means I will be able to FIRE far far earlier than I would on my own resources. Thankfully for me, he is good with this inequality :)

We do joke that someday we'll have races where I'll push him around in a wheelchair while DD pushes her kid in a stroller :)

Someone brought up a concern about the older spouse dying early and leaving the younger spouse with financial problems. Maybe I didn't think this through properly - but wouldn't the younger spouse's expenses now be lower with only one person to support from the stash? We did run our numbers on accepting a lower pension amount so I can continue collecting his pensions after he is gone.


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My DH is 9 years older, I was a SAHM while our kids were little plus he has always been the higher income earner. It's rather worked out to my benefit that we have always considered everything "our" money. This means I will be able to FIRE far far earlier than I would on my own resources. Thankfully for me, he is good with this inequality :)

We do joke that someday we'll have races where I'll push him around in a wheelchair while DD pushes her kid in a stroller :)

Someone brought up a concern about the older spouse dying early and leaving the younger spouse with financial problems. Maybe I didn't think this through properly - but wouldn't the younger spouse's expenses now be lower with only one person to support from the stash? We did run our numbers on accepting a lower pension amount so I can continue collecting his pensions after he is gone.

SS benefits will be reduced, many pensions will see a reduction,  as well as annuities.

Whether or not expenses are reduced depends on a lot of factors. If you stay in the same house, housing will remain unchanged, while a single person may need to go out and pay for dinner in order to have more social interactions, for example.

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Someone brought up a concern about the older spouse dying early and leaving the younger spouse with financial problems. Maybe I didn't think this through properly - but wouldn't the younger spouse's expenses now be lower with only one person to support from the stash? We did run our numbers on accepting a lower pension amount so I can continue collecting his pensions after he is gone.

SS benefits will be reduced, many pensions will see a reduction,  as well as annuities.

Whether or not expenses are reduced depends on a lot of factors. If you stay in the same house, housing will remain unchanged, while a single person may need to go out and pay for dinner in order to have more social interactions, for example.

Then again, this should be balanced out by reducing to groceries for one person, dining out for one person, travel for one person, etc, right? Or am I being naive? Curious as this is something that could realistically happen to me and it is a good idea to consider it.


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There are differences because of an age gap, but I don't think that one person FI early is by default one of them.

DH and I are only 3 months apart in age.   I am FI and he will work for another 20 years, most likely.  He chose a lower stress job that he likes, that does not pay a lot... and stayed home with the kids for 11 years.

There is a difference  of opinion / compromise about where we want to live after kids are done living at home.   We defaulted to the status quo because neither one of us is more "right" than the other about this.

For travel -- this meant that last year he travelled with me for 2 weeks, while I stayed in Europe for another 3 weeks without him.    Sure, there was some jealously (very mild), but no different from when he would take the kids to fun summer activities and vacations while I stayed home and worked.

I will also start to take backpack / hiking trips alone, and that is OK, too.
It is not about the age, but the mindset, and the ability to be together and still do separate things sometimes.
That true but I think much of it depends on what you want to do once RE. Those who want to spend months away in far flung places doing very physical activities, or who want to slow travel,  may not be happy shortening those things to a few weeks a year or waiting until their SO retires - which may be years or even decades away.  Even if you are the same age its hard to give up or put on hold for years or decades the longer term hard core adventures to far flung places especially if you were planning to do them with your SO. And if you are much older you may not even have the option to put things off for years or decades while waiting for your SO to RE.

 I think if people are happy reducing their plans to accomadate a working SO (same age or not) then that's great. Or if you have a working SO who is OK with long separations then that can work. Both are hard choices for many people and even harder if one SO is much older. The person I mentioned in the OP who is 20 years older then their working SO is on a long distance cross country solo bike ride now expected to take a months (6000 miles) and the younger SO is OK with that  but not sure all SOs are. But in their case the older one just can't wait 20 or more years for the SO to FIRE to do those things.  Choices...they sometimes suck ;-).
Life doesn't always work out the way we think -- most of us decide to FI after marriage starts, so did not "choose" the right spouse.   
And there are those who have SO's that have a significant health / disability flare up by the time they are 40.

Others get divorced, etc.  You need to roll with it, and the age gap thing is just another thing to work with.

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Having been married 3x’s and this time happy this relationship is way more important to me than being retired. 

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I have a friend who is a little older than I am, 47 or so. Her partner (I am not sure whether they are married) celebrated  retired a few years ago at 62 or 65. They have a teenage son together and my friend's partner has 2 adult children from a previous marriage.
The man grow up in the very north of the country. Their house is in the south, about 2500 kms away. He loves spending the summers up north. They bought a very small, cheap one room cabin there. He loves being there, meeting his old retired friends from childhood. He spends the whole summer there building stuff from wood, collecting subsidies to rebuild old cultural buildings. She also spends some time there in the summer, but she still works full time and isn't equally thrilled about this place where there is nothing to do for her. Most of the non-vacation summer months she is at home, working, alone with her son. Husband 2500 kms away. When stuff happens at her house, he can only give her support by phone, but he can't physically help. This has annoyed her at times when things got a bit dire.
By the way, they also own 1/3 of another house in the middle of the country, which used to belong to her father. She owns it together with 2 of her sisters. This house requires quite a bit of maintenance and repairs. They usually spend time there in the summer as well. He comes over there for a week or 2 in the summer, while she spends time without him there with her sisters, rather than staying in his small village in the north.
I think it is a bit challenging that they are living such different lives and have different views on what is a good place to stay. He would rather live in the north full time. For her it is the last place in the country where she wants to live, apart from the fact that there are no jobs for her over there. She also doesn't like the people in that village. At least now, he is rebuilding the one room cabin into a bigger cabin so that she might like the cabin itself a little better. She hated living in one room.
From what I have understood they don't share finances and I think my friend has never thought about retiring at an early age. I think that maybe, if they hadn't owned a house, a cabin, 1/3 house, a sailboat, a small wooden boat, a car and an enormous outdoor truck and a snow scooter in the north, there might have been some room for her to work at least part time if she could live on some of his pension. But I think they don't consider that option. I think they see his pension as his personal money to spend it in any way he pleases after paying his share of their living expenses. As he always had a high paying job and a very good pension system, I think his pension is quite high.

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Depending on your lifestyle, many of your expenses stay the same whether married or not. If you own a home you still have the same mortgage, insurance, property tax, repairs, some flat rate utilities like trash, sewer, internet , etc. You also may not be able to do some repairs alone or as you age so have to hire out more often.

Travel may cost the same if you do car trips and camp or stay at motels. Package trips and cruises have huge single supplements, hotel pretty much cost the same single or double occupancy. Although your save of flights and public transit and entrance fees.

Of course you can get roommates and travel mates to off set single costs or downsize to an more affordable house or apt. But you'll still need to fund your own care or hire help for a variety of things which a spouse might have been able to provide before for free.

You may have also spent down a lot of joint savings caring for or providing care for an older spouse and have limited funds left over AND reduced income even if your deceased spouse had a pension. Those are pretty much gone in the US now outside of government employees so most people just have savings/investments and SS to fund their retirements.

Hmmm...great things to think about. My FIRE plans involves only a small amount of dependence on various small pensions with the bulk in RRSPs and non-registered savings. So as long as we don't get hit with spending a massive amount on care for the one spouse, than it sounds likely that I'll be OK.

I'd love to hear other things to consider. Right now I am fortunate to be in Canada with free healthcare and a decent social safety net. If I end up with a low pension, there is still the Guaranteed Income Supplement to boost income a bit.

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Yeah I think financial planning for seniors differs widely country to country because the safety nets are so different. I'm Australian and I've worked in community aged care so I have a pretty good idea of the current programs and systems.

Even if caring for my older spouse depleted all our savings (which seems possible but not likely), with a paid off house, government aged pension and public healthcare I'd have a good standard of living (similar to what I'm spending now actually!).

Yes, there is a risk those systems could change - but they might also change for the better.

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Since I am semi-retired it is probably easy for me to say:)).  The marriage is not keeping me working.  After retiring I was offered a chance to teach a online college class and I love it. I can do it from anywhere. I also do a little consulting by choice. I love having a compatible partner to have fun with. I do worry about if he dies first but unlikely since I am 5 years older.

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He is a engineer that occasionally picks up a short term consulting gig which I am fine with. He always lets them know ahead of time what trips we are taking so it doesn’t interfere with travel. We have to arrange for doggie care so usually plan our trips out 6-12 months in advance.  In a week he will be working the polls because it’s fun.  I think it’s important to be flexible because life and people change.

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Can you not just set up separate finances with equal amounts going to a joint account to pay for shared expenses? That way if he wants to use whatever is left over from his $4500/month pension to buy stuff for himself (sports car) he can and you can buy or save your extra however you want. It sounds like you are 20 or more years younger and should be saving more for your own retirement and old age and not blowing it on his "wants". You've already put so much more toward funding him that you may leave yourself very financially vulnerable in older age without enough saved.

 Anyways just my 2 cents but like others your situation is setting off big alarm bells. With a $4500/ month pension he should be easily able to contribute to joint household expenses and have extra for his wants.

Definitely something I have considered, it is sort of like that now. My SO has little or no visibility into my retirement account(s). My raises have resulted more so in bumping up my savings rate than putting more money into our joint account. My SO even commented that 'you getting a raise makes no difference to me because you put it away in retirement anyway'. I am putting away 40%+ of my gross pay as it is which will allow me to FIRE reasonably quickly as well.

We can then still work out a deal where I contribute a bit less once FIREd so my stache can grow more freely in the first few years of FIRE.

Funny how everyone assumes my SO is male by the way, makes sense cause generally the male is the older one. Not the case in our relationship.

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Just as we shouldn't assume the older SO is "the" male, nor should we assume either SO is male, either... but interesting how much "reading in" I do in terms of such assumptions (of course I always assume a heterosexual relationship with the male being older unless told otherwise) and make all sorts of assumptions based on gender roles. Oops.

Also, PTF, as the younger (female) partner with a (male) spouse who is 20 years older than me. Current challenge: discussions about when he should start drawing his CPP. I think he should defer while I am still in F-T employment, in a high tax bracket, because I think the amount of income tax we will wind up paying will make it not worthwhile to draw CPP. (This is, obviously, something that can be verified and will have a factual answer, not just something based on a feeling.) He, on the other hand, expressed concerns about wanting to get back what he put in, worries about not drawing much if he delays (i.e. worried about dying, I guess). But I don't understand why 65 is his magic number now that CPP can be started anytime between age 60-70. I talked to him about this before he turned 60 (back then, we were not cohabitating, now we are) -- suggesting he might want to start drawing CPP right away and investing it rather than spending it. He was not receptive to that idea. Now he seems unreceptive to the idea of tax optimization. He is not very interested in or well versed in personal finance and resistant to talking about or learning more. It's frustrating (but not directly related to the age difference).

He seems pretty OK with the idea that if his health significantly declines as he ages, to the degree that he qualifies for a long term care home, he would go there (as opposed to being cared for from home or in a retirement home, at great expense, whereas costs for long term care home are regulated and uniform throughout the province). We've both been through with this with our parents (his father, my mother), who lived in long term care for a year or two before passing away. (Ironically, and unexpectedly, within days of each other.) I, too, would expect to be in long term care home of my health was at the level of deterioration to qualify for admission.

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My SO's retirement includes health care premiums so that's a huge bonus; when we met she had already retired. Should I go on her medical plan it would be roughly $600-$700 per month regardless of my age. That option would probably expire should she pass before I do.

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Dee, at his age he may want to draw now so he can travel, etc while he still can.  I get that at 64.  Time can be short.

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Cassie, I don't think it's about him wanting to travel. He's not mentioned that, anyway. But, like I said, for this aspect of finances, it's pretty much a mathematical question. Our current situation is that he has no taxable earnings (he's basically a stay-at-home spouse, working on renovating our house). I earn significant employment income, which is taxed accordingly. We both live off my employment income. One income tax deduction we get from this set-up is called the "spousal amount" and it would be affected if he received taxable income, including CPP. So if we look for tax efficiency for ourselves as a couple, it may make no sense for him to draw CPP, as I may wind up paying the same amount in income tax (or close to) as he takes in, when he has the option of delaying taking CPP, and getting more per month when he does start drawing it. This would make sense from a tax perspective (i.e. delaying CPP until I leave my high salary employment). I'm doing things to optimize our income tax situation. For example, I make spousal RRSP contributions, which means that the RRSP room I gain each year (which is not very significant given that I contribute to a pension plan at work), I fill up in *his* RRSP instead of mine. My point is that I am making financial decisions that take into account tax implications and he needs to do that as well. His decision on when to draw CPP can't be any more unilateral than my decision on when to quit my job -- these are things we need to talk to each other about and, to an extent, decide together, taking into account factors that include tax implications.

If he wanted to travel and wanted funds for that, he'd have to start by saying so. Then, we'd go from there.

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I missed the Canada part. Yes it sounds like it doesn’t make financial sense.

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I am sorry to hear this, spartana. I will note that you seem to be attracted to men who like to work!

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I suspect they really want to be with you so they either a) tell you what you want to hear or b) think they are telling the truth at the time but just can't pull the trigger when it gets down to it.

I'm so impressed that you stayed true to yourself even though it hurts.  Have a great time on your travels...why don't you start a journal so we can follow along?

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I am sorry Spartana.   I see compromise as a win-win unlike M.  Maybe try a man more around your age in good shape so he would be more likely to want to retire.

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Enjoy your travels, Spartana. So sorry to hear about the loss of your canine companion.

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Wow Spar that is a lot of loss. 2 of our dogs are 13 and 14 and one is a 80lb dog so he has already outlived his life expectancy. We do have 2 younger ones and will be content with just the 2 of them when the time comes. My husband always says he wants to travel for a year but this summer he was ready to come home after 4 weeks and our trip was supposed to be 2 weeks longer. I also was ready to come home and we had the dogs. Without them I have a 2 week limit.  So where are you going and for how long?

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Another aspect of age differences in two cases I have observed kicks in during the older years. In both cases, the husband is much older.

In one case, the wife is mid-50's and has a 75+ husband who doesn't like to get out and do things. Many of the wife's outings and travel now are with her friends, not her husband, although her husband's health is currently ok. (No major health issues.)

In the other case, the wife is early 70's and the husband is mid-80's. She is currently house-bound taking care of him. (He has dementia plus other health issues.) She is very much an energetic go-getter, and is going stir crazy. She is looking into getting the husband admitted to a nursing home, so she can once again travel and visit children and grandchildren.

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Now that my beloved pup has passed very recently (RIP Barkinator)

spantana, sorry to hear about the Barkinator.

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