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Bats in my bedroom
« on: August 05, 2015, 10:58:43 AM »
For the 2nd time within 4 days I've been awoken by a bat flying above my face. The first time was last week; by the time animal control came out (2 separate people on 2 separate visits on the same day) they couldn't find it. A third person also came out (pest control sent by my management company) and could not locate it.

2 days ago it happened again; 1 animal control person and 1 pest control person (sent by management company) came out; again couldn't locate it.  The problem is it's coming out in the middle of the night and burying itself somewhere in the apartment before day breaks.  Last night animal control said they would make a night call to my place which they never do.  And they stood me up for the appointment 'they' initiated with me (never showed up).  Also, the 2nd pest control guy felt so bad he couldn't help/find it that he gave me his card directly and said call him back and he'll come in the middle of the night.  I did call last night; no response.

I have bad nerves and can't catch a bat myself. I had a panic attack and took off work when it happened the 2nd time 2 days ago. Do I have any recourse with my leasing office? Can I break my lease? The CDC has been ringing my phone off the hook apparently animal control reported it to them and the CDC is saying I have to get these expensive rabies vaccinations now which I started and am on shot 2 of 4. I haven't slept in a week now. 

I did contact a 'tenant association' today who works in support of tenants' rights.  I live in Chicago.

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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2015, 11:26:48 AM »
I've heard of someone having "bats in the belfry", but this is new.  If you're having a hard time locating the bat during the day, when its hiding... just a thought, have someone come over who has a dog, let the dog sniff around and I bet you find it!

or a cat, for that matter.

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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2015, 11:28:26 AM »
you may be able to break the lease if you can prove that the leasing office did nothing to remedy the situation and there was nothing you could do to prevent the bats from getting in. however, if they are getting in due to your own habits (ex: leaving windows open) you are out of luck. bats in bedrooms is considered to be an unlivable situation due to their elevated rabies risk, but i dont know if legally you can claim that because bats scare you, you are not responsible for attempting to help remedy the situation yourself within reason.

the trouble with bats is that they are protected in many areas, so they can't just put out poison or spray, and animal control is primarily responsible for catching and removing specific animals rather than ensuring that future ones don't enter the property. your management company should be responsible for hiring a wildlife removal company that is experienced with bat extraction and exclusion.

things you can do today: take a full inventory of your bedroom. are you leaving the windows open at night? are there holes in the window screens? are there holes in the floor/wall/old radiators where bats in the walls could be entering the room? bats can fit through very small openings (anything bigger than a 1/2 inch). any openings you find must be blocked off immediately during the day. use hard materials like metal or wood to block openings - bats will tunnel through cloth or steel wool to get to an exit.

i should mention that a healthy bat during the day in your bedroom is most likely hiding behind curtains, a mirror, a door, or some other elevated safe space. bats flopping around or laying on the floor are more likely to be diseased.
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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2015, 11:38:27 AM »
I've heard of someone having "bats in the belfry", but this is new.  If you're having a hard time locating the bat during the day, when its hiding... just a thought, have someone come over who has a dog, let the dog sniff around and I bet you find it!

or a cat, for that matter.

Maybe.  But at this point I just realized the building has barrel tile roof, which is a very very common nesting place.  In other words, getting a cat to find it and kill it may solve the issue until another one enters.  Bats don't usually hang out alone.

No one has even mentioned or bothered to check out the roof.  So my issue is I want out...period.  It's costing me, I have anxiety and am going into full blown panic attacks when it appears, etc. 

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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2015, 11:44:02 AM »
you may be able to break the lease if you can prove that the leasing office did nothing to remedy the situation and there was nothing you could do to prevent the bats from getting in. however, if they are getting in due to your own habits (ex: leaving windows open) you are out of luck. bats in bedrooms is considered to be an unlivable situation due to their elevated rabies risk, but i dont know if legally you can claim that because bats scare you, you are not responsible for attempting to help remedy the situation yourself within reason.

the trouble with bats is that they are protected in many areas, so they can't just put out poison or spray, and animal control is primarily responsible for catching and removing specific animals rather than ensuring that future ones don't enter the property. your management company should be responsible for hiring a wildlife removal company that is experienced with bat extraction and exclusion.

things you can do today: take a full inventory of your bedroom. are you leaving the windows open at night? are there holes in the window screens? are there holes in the floor/wall/old radiators where bats in the walls could be entering the room? bats can fit through very small openings (anything bigger than a 1/2 inch). any openings you find must be blocked off immediately during the day. use hard materials like metal or wood to block openings - bats will tunnel through cloth or steel wool to get to an exit.

i should mention that a healthy bat during the day in your bedroom is most likely hiding behind curtains, a mirror, a door, or some other elevated safe space. bats flopping around or laying on the floor are more likely to be diseased.

So I'm just as responsible for covering up every possible hole it could come in through?  There's probably 100 potential entry points. 

I read the municipal code and its confusing because I don't know what constitutes 'reasonably fit and habitable'.  And I don't know if I can claim whether the 'material noncompliance has been remedied by the landlord' or not-what does remedied mean in the eyes of the law?  Proper attempts at sealing off entry points and calling an exterminator?  No clue.

First day bat was flying at first, then found in my hamper (kinda popped out then just laid on the floor).  2nd time, in the middle of the night it appeared to be flying around high and low in the living area.

Honestly if I really want out with the least amount of repercussions, I think getting someone to take over my lease is my best bet as I'm sure the tenant will fight me on this.  They haven't responded to my last communication from yesterday morning and I'm not sure why...

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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2015, 11:46:18 AM »
I've heard of someone having "bats in the belfry", but this is new.  If you're having a hard time locating the bat during the day, when its hiding... just a thought, have someone come over who has a dog, let the dog sniff around and I bet you find it!

or a cat, for that matter.

Maybe.  But at this point I just realized the building has barrel tile roof, which is a very very common nesting place.  In other words, getting a cat to find it and kill it may solve the issue until another one enters.  Bats don't usually hang out alone.

No one has even mentioned or bothered to check out the roof.  So my issue is I want out...period.  It's costing me, I have anxiety and am going into full blown panic attacks when it appears, etc.

How much will it cost you to break your lease? Because I would be out of there SO FAST, and I would be living with my parents until I got moved out.

Your mental health is worth some money here.

It will cost a TON of money.  I just re-signed a year lease about 4 days before the first incident happened.  I just mentioned in an earlier post that finding someone to take over the lease might be best.  Plenty of people couldn't care less if a bat had been seen in the bedroom a few times.

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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2015, 11:52:51 AM »
you may be able to break the lease if you can prove that the leasing office did nothing to remedy the situation and there was nothing you could do to prevent the bats from getting in. however, if they are getting in due to your own habits (ex: leaving windows open) you are out of luck. bats in bedrooms is considered to be an unlivable situation due to their elevated rabies risk, but i dont know if legally you can claim that because bats scare you, you are not responsible for attempting to help remedy the situation yourself within reason.

the trouble with bats is that they are protected in many areas, so they can't just put out poison or spray, and animal control is primarily responsible for catching and removing specific animals rather than ensuring that future ones don't enter the property. your management company should be responsible for hiring a wildlife removal company that is experienced with bat extraction and exclusion.

things you can do today: take a full inventory of your bedroom. are you leaving the windows open at night? are there holes in the window screens? are there holes in the floor/wall/old radiators where bats in the walls could be entering the room? bats can fit through very small openings (anything bigger than a 1/2 inch). any openings you find must be blocked off immediately during the day. use hard materials like metal or wood to block openings - bats will tunnel through cloth or steel wool to get to an exit.

i should mention that a healthy bat during the day in your bedroom is most likely hiding behind curtains, a mirror, a door, or some other elevated safe space. bats flopping around or laying on the floor are more likely to be diseased.

Also....I've never opened any of the windows in my apartment ever.  And 4 out of the 5 people that have been by have pretty much torn my 2 bedroom apartment up looking for it in places like:

behind bed
behind and in dresser
in suitcases
all cabinets
coat rack
shoe racks
inside shoes and boots
all closets
cracks by floor
recessed lights in ceiling
behind stove
window/blinds areas
behind and inside things sitting on counters
under couch/in couch
inside of objects on floor (trash can, hampers, box, tall vases)
inside holes of paper towels
behind/under fridge
inside floor lamp top
ceiling fan
etc etc etc

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« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2015, 11:59:26 AM »

So I'm just as responsible for covering up every possible hole it could come in through?  There's probably 100 potential entry points. 

I read the municipal code and its confusing because I don't know what constitutes 'reasonably fit and habitable'.  And I don't know if I can claim whether the 'material noncompliance has been remedied by the landlord' or not-what does remedied mean in the eyes of the law?  Proper attempts at sealing off entry points and calling an exterminator?  No clue.

First day bat was flying at first, then found in my hamper (kinda popped out then just laid on the floor).  2nd time, in the middle of the night it appeared to be flying around high and low in the living area.

Honestly if I really want out with the least amount of repercussions, I think getting someone to take over my lease is my best bet as I'm sure the tenant will fight me on this.  They haven't responded to my last communication from yesterday morning and I'm not sure why...

I don't know if you are also responsible in a legal sense - but demonstrating that you tried on your own can't hurt your chances if you want to fight to break the lease and not pay.

100 different entry points sounds worrying - are there that many 1/2in holes in your walls/ceiling/floor?  it sounds like they definitely might be nesting in the roof or walls. if your space is really so unsound that there are numerous large holes, you might have an even stronger argument for the whole "reasonably fit and habitable" thing.  given the CDC and WHO recommendations for bats and rabies prevention, i think you can definitely make the argument that a living space with bats entering multiple times per week is not safe, fit, or habitable. but again, i don't know how responsible the tenant is for also ensuring said space is fit and habitable.

in the meantime if you want to try to get out of the lease, document every contact to management, animal control visit, email, etc. save your receipts and schedules for your rabies vaccine to show proof of harm. ask your doctor to forward you the referral or copy of the order stating the need for the vaccine.

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« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2015, 12:01:31 PM »
Really sorry to hear that you are so badly traumatised by bats, they are really such lovely, gentle, harmless animals and the poor beast probably wants to get out of your apartment just as much as you want to get it out.

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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2015, 12:02:16 PM »
on the plus side - you will be vaccinated from rabies for life! After the 4th shot, find out where some bats live and wake them up rudely. :)

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« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2015, 12:07:34 PM »
About the suggestion to use a cat or dog to find the bat - the rabies can be transferred from the bat to the animal.  So I would suggest, if you do not have any pets already, not getting a new pet or borrowing an animal to try to find the bat.  Vaccinations for pets are good, avoiding the situation entirely when possible is best, at least in my opinion.

http://www.cdc.gov/rabies/pets/index.html

If you have shutters on the outside of your windows they might be staying there.  One of my HOAs had to remove the shutters of certain units until the bats went to live elsewhere.  That won't help with the bat in the house, but where there is one, there could be others and it might help prevent future issues.

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« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2015, 12:09:44 PM »
Really sorry to hear that you are so badly traumatised by bats, they are really such lovely, gentle, harmless animals and the poor beast probably wants to get out of your apartment just as much as you want to get it out.

I understand that; I don't want the bat killed.  I don't hate it.  I'm not saying its a horrible being or a bad animal or provides no meaningful services in the whole circle of life.

I'm just saying *I* can't deal with them flying in my face at night.  And I can't deal with the thought that even if one is captured, that there may be more and this could happen again.  Like I said I have bad nerves and this is how a bat affects *me*.  That is the primary reason I want out....the missing work and rabies risks and cost of vaccinations and all of this other stuff which overall adds up to a lot *for me* is secondary to that.

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« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2015, 12:11:26 PM »
Really sorry to hear that you are so badly traumatised by bats, they are really such lovely, gentle, harmless animals and the poor beast probably wants to get out of your apartment just as much as you want to get it out.

No...I know that's what a lot of people would do.  But I understand the risk to both the bat(s) and dog(s)/cat(s) so its not something I would seriously consider.

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« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2015, 12:20:48 PM »
A neighbor once opened up his patio umbrella and about 20 bats went flying out.  EWWWW!

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« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2015, 12:27:25 PM »
Buy a bag of crickets from the pet shop and wait for night, let the crickets out, wait for the bat to enter the bathroom, shut the door... call the cavalry.

Count the crickets and make sure you get rid of them after or you'll have a new problem.

Some bats like fruit...


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« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2015, 12:35:41 PM »
I'd probably consult a lawyer if I wanted out that badly, to see if s/he thought I had grounds to break the lease.

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« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2015, 12:37:12 PM »
We had a couple of bats get into our house this spring. After a little online research and some investigation around the house and yard, we found that we had 100+ bats roosting in our attic. We called a wildlife removal specialist, and they did all the work to evict (not exterminate) the bats and seal up the entry points (in our case, they were coming in through the attic gable vents).  The eviction was a two-week process, and the cleanup (removal/replacement of insulation, plus an enzyme treatment to prevent mold from any residual guano) was done in a day.

All five of us had to get the series of rabies vaccination shots, because the health department claimed we could've been bitten in our sleep without knowing it. The shots made my wife and I feel like death for 48 hours after each one, but the kids didn't seem to be bothered by it nearly as much.

Generally, if you see one in your apartment, you know know that it didn't come through an open door or window, that means there are more somewhere in the building.  Attic, crawlspace, garage, under the exterior siding... somewhere.  I'm no lawyer, but I'd say your landlord has an obligation to make sure the building is bat-free, given the risk of rabies for all the tenants.  Document everything and make sure you get your rabies shots.

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« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2015, 12:50:03 PM »
We had a couple of bats get into our house this spring. After a little online research and some investigation around the house and yard, we found that we had 100+ bats roosting in our attic. We called a wildlife removal specialist, and they did all the work to evict (not exterminate) the bats and seal up the entry points (in our case, they were coming in through the attic gable vents).  The eviction was a two-week process, and the cleanup (removal/replacement of insulation, plus an enzyme treatment to prevent mold from any residual guano) was done in a day.

All five of us had to get the series of rabies vaccination shots, because the health department claimed we could've been bitten in our sleep without knowing it. The shots made my wife and I feel like death for 48 hours after each one, but the kids didn't seem to be bothered by it nearly as much.

Generally, if you see one in your apartment, you know know that it didn't come through an open door or window, that means there are more somewhere in the building.  Attic, crawlspace, garage, under the exterior siding... somewhere.  I'm no lawyer, but I'd say your landlord has an obligation to make sure the building is bat-free, given the risk of rabies for all the tenants.  Document everything and make sure you get your rabies shots.

Wow. 

I am getting the shots.  First was in the ER which sucked because I basically went to the ER right after work, stayed all night for a shot and went straight to work after (all night visit).  The fact no one has sealed or mentioned sealing anything or checked the roof or any other part of the building is concerning.  And these are pest control companies that 'happen' to supposedly remove bats too, they're not wildlife removal specialists (I don't believe...as I had a conversation with the first pest control guy and out of curiosity asked what he'd do if a bat came flying at him while he was looking for it in my room and he said he'd 'punch' it). :/

But basically, I'm just one of those people that's too 'shaken' and wants out...I actually wanted out of the lease before for other reasons but made a rash decision to go ahead and renew last minute the other week and then this happens immediately after. 

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« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2015, 12:52:38 PM »
Most people have their pets vaccinated for rabies.

Anyway... If the bat is getting in, and you're not finding it anywhere, it's probably getting back out, too.  If you have somewhere else you can stay until this is resolved, I'd start packing.

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« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2015, 01:33:43 PM »
Gosh I love bats, they eat mosquitos, which makes them awesome in my book.  I am sorry that you are so terrified of them.  (And unless it bit you, why are they making you do rabies vaccine?) 

My guess is that the poor bat is just trying to get outside, and has somehow mistakenly gotten inside instead.  I would check the AC vents near the ceiling, as he was most likely in the attic, and ended up going the wrong way to get out.

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« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2015, 01:45:04 PM »
And unless it bit you, why are they making you do rabies vaccine?

Any time someone comes into close proximity with a bat, it's highly recommended you get the rabies shots. It sucks, I know, but is actually beneficial in the long run. Especially in a bedroom while you're sleeping... you have no idea if it landed on you (and possibly infected you) while you were sleeping. It might be over cautious, but this is definitely a situation where it's better to be safe than sorry.

Econ, that really really sucks. I second checking with a lawyer to see if you can legally break your lease, or if having a live bat inside counts as making it unlivable (therefore, no rent paid). Perhaps the mere mention of checking with a lawyer might make the management company or someone a bit more eager to help.

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« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2015, 01:49:12 PM »
We have bats in behind our shutters outside. Paying a company to remove the bats, take off the shutters, clean up the crap, and seal them up. Totally worth it. Something like $200 for 8 shutters. Nothing like hearing the squeaking when you're reading your daughter bedtime stories. Totally worth the dough.

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« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2015, 02:35:39 PM »
We have bats in behind our shutters outside. Paying a company to remove the bats, take off the shutters, clean up the crap, and seal them up. Totally worth it. Something like $200 for 8 shutters. Nothing like hearing the squeaking when you're reading your daughter bedtime stories. Totally worth the dough.

You paid someone to do this? 

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« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2015, 02:41:55 PM »
Why has nobody mentioned that you should be getting treated for rabies?  As a scientist specializing in molecular virology, it's in your best interest to get treated.  Don't go back until the bat is removed from your place. 

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« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2015, 02:43:52 PM »
And unless it bit you, why are they making you do rabies vaccine?

Any time someone comes into close proximity with a bat, it's highly recommended you get the rabies shots. It sucks, I know, but is actually beneficial in the long run. Especially in a bedroom while you're sleeping... you have no idea if it landed on you (and possibly infected you) while you were sleeping. It might be over cautious, but this is definitely a situation where it's better to be safe than sorry.

Econ, that really really sucks. I second checking with a lawyer to see if you can legally break your lease, or if having a live bat inside counts as making it unlivable (therefore, no rent paid). Perhaps the mere mention of checking with a lawyer might make the management company or someone a bit more eager to help.

Contacted alderman, tenants' association and attorney. 

Alderman said not likely ok to break lease and so did attorney.  Tenants' association said same thing but with more detailed comments.  Here was their response:


Hello
I am a volunteer and my role is to provide you with information about the laws governing your tenant’s rights. My role is not to advise you what to do or to provide an opinion as to the best recourse. If you wish to obtain legal counsel, please let me know and I can make some referrals.


Unfortunately, a single bat probably isn't enough to justify breaking your lease. 



REPAIRS

Minor rodent issues should be treated like any repairs. The law that governs this is the Residential Landlord Tenant Ordinance (RLTO). Under the RLTO, you have two options related to repairs, both which involve sending a letter and telling the landlord they have 14 days to fix the problems. One version of the letter tells the landlord you will deduct rent by a certain amount to reflect the new value of the apartment (you need to pick an amount that fairly reflects the reduced value; never more than 50%). A second option is to tell the landlord that you will pay to have the problem fixed yourself and then reduce your rent by the amount you paid. If you pay to get the repairs done, you should include a copy of all receipts with your rent check. You can find form versions of both letters here and here. No matter which one you choose, you should start documenting the problem immediately in writing.

** Be careful in making a deduction, if you withhold too much money, that can open you up to an eviction**

RODENTS

If there is a large infestation you could claim there is a large enough repair needed that, under the RLTO you have the option of terminating your lease. A sample letter for that approach can be found here.

If you do send a letter, give the landlord 14 days to fix it, send it via certified mail, and keep a copy for yourself.

Another option is to call 311 and file a complaint though it could take a while for a building inspector to come take a look.

A final option is that you could try to go to mediation. If you're interested in looking into that, call the Center for Conflict Resolution 312-922-6464 and they can give you some advice. If you have success with that, be sure to get any agreement in writing.



OTHER POSSIBILITIES



If you can find someone to sublet your apartment for the remainder of your lease, your landlord is obligated to accept a reasonable person.



Another way tenants can sometimes get out of a lease: Your landlord must give you a copy of the summary of the RLTO prepared by the City whether your lease is written or oral. This summary must be attached to the written lease or given to you when an oral agreement is reached. The summary is to be given to you at the time of a new lease or a renewal of an old lease.If your landlord failed to give you the summary, you may send your landlord a written notice requesting the summary or you may choose to end the lease or sue the landlord. If you prove that the summary was not given to you, you may sue to recover $100 plus attorney's fees. If you decide to end your lease, you must notify the landlord in writing and you must move out within 30 days of giving notice. In addition you must be able to prove that you never received the summary.

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« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2015, 02:46:18 PM »
^So to paraphrase the above, seems like I can:

-Stay in the apartment, wait for them to fix the issue and reduce my rent to a 'reasonable amount' while they fix it
-Stay in the apartment, tell them I'm going to fix it, pay for it, then reduce my rent by what I paid to have it fixed
-Get someone to take over my lease
-Prove it's a big enough infestation to warrant me breaking it

I'm posting my place online tonight to start looking for tenant.

But I will also make some calls to see if someone can come out and look at the roof and take pictures.  If they find a bunch nesting up there that just 'may' be my ticket out (but I'm not 100% sure of that! :/)  My only concern is whether I have the right to call someone myself to have go on the roof of these condos and inspect it....

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« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2015, 02:47:49 PM »
Why has nobody mentioned that you should be getting treated for rabies?  As a scientist specializing in molecular virology, it's in your best interest to get treated.  Don't go back until the bat is removed from your place.

I am being treated; I guess you missed that part (I mentioned it twice).  I got shot 1 on day 1.  I got shot 2 and have shots 3 and 4 scheduled; I will complete them as although rabies is rare it would be 'just my luck'. 

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« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2015, 02:54:45 PM »
Why has nobody mentioned that you should be getting treated for rabies?  As a scientist specializing in molecular virology, it's in your best interest to get treated.  Don't go back until the bat is removed from your place.
OP stated in original post that he/she already started Rabies treatment. 

OP, interested to know how much those shots cost nowadays.  About 10 years ago I went overseas and worked for a short period at a monkey rehab center.  I considered getting the vaccine (the first shot of the series), but it was $1000 for just one of a series of 5 or 6.  I decided not to do it, thinking a monkey hospital would have it much cheaper.  (They didn't have it at all and I was nipped and scratched by many baby monkeys)

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« Reply #28 on: August 05, 2015, 06:43:19 PM »
Oh man, I feel for you, OP. My MIL had to deal with a bat that got in through the open fireplace flue last weekend. She was able to stun it with some kind of industrial-strength bug spray she had on hand. It knocked the sucker out long enough for her to get it into a box and out of the house, but oh boy, did she freak the f**k out.

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Re: Bats in my bedroom
« Reply #29 on: August 05, 2015, 07:28:49 PM »
I would open all of your windows at night, remove all of the screens, and pull up the shades / open blinds.  Leave all of the lights off.  That bat will very likely fly outside.  It's probably really hungry.  I wouldn't worry about any other bats flying in.  This is a freak episode.  Maybe play some music as a deterrent.  After you're confident that the bat flew out the window, close them all up and hope that he doesn't have a way to make it back inside. 

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Re: Bats in my bedroom
« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2015, 07:49:55 PM »
So just curious for all the people discussing rabies shots.  If you were pretty confident you didn't get bit and you wanted to roll the dice on the rabies, recognizing all of the risks, could you do that? What would the CDC do? Would you have to stay quarantined? It's not like humans go out biting other humans. I'm not an anti vac person generally I just think in some circumstances they are crazy over cautious with the rabies recommendation.

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Re: Bats in my bedroom
« Reply #31 on: August 05, 2015, 07:55:51 PM »
My initial reaction was:   "Real bats? AWESOME!!!"

But on reflection:
1) Ok, not in your own apartment, and not without being able to get rid of them. 

2) Excellent work calling alderman, attorney, tenants' association.  How about... THE MEDIA?  They might have the same effect on your landlord as the bat has on you!

3) Or, mention to the landlord your intent to send info to the media, to post widely on Facebook, to start Facebook page and Twitter feed called "Bats in My Apartment", etc.  Then see if they join you in rapidly paying for or authorizing professional pest control by a private company.

I suspect ClovisKid's technique would work, but if it fails, you'd look like you invited bats in instead of out.  Seriously, I suggest going with 3.  Good luck.

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Re: Bats in my bedroom
« Reply #32 on: August 05, 2015, 08:47:07 PM »
Wise decision to get the rabies shots.  My cousin died from rabies many years ago.  She was just a child but old enough to tell someone if she knew she had been bitten. The strain of rabies she had was from a bat.  They suspect she was bitten in her sleep by a bat that had been in the house.  Once the symptoms appear, it's too late to treat.  In her case, they didn't know it was rabies until the autopsy results came back several weeks later. 

I was a child at the time as well.  It was horrible to see her in a casket and even more horrible to know that she had died such a painful and awful death.  I wouldn't sleep there with a bat either.  No way.

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Re: Bats in my bedroom
« Reply #33 on: August 05, 2015, 08:58:48 PM »
Why has nobody mentioned that you should be getting treated for rabies?  As a scientist specializing in molecular virology, it's in your best interest to get treated.  Don't go back until the bat is removed from your place.
OP stated in original post that he/she already started Rabies treatment. 

OP, interested to know how much those shots cost nowadays.  About 10 years ago I went overseas and worked for a short period at a monkey rehab center.  I considered getting the vaccine (the first shot of the series), but it was $1000 for just one of a series of 5 or 6.  I decided not to do it, thinking a monkey hospital would have it much cheaper.  (They didn't have it at all and I was nipped and scratched by many baby monkeys)

Quite expensive. My first one was only available in an ER which isn't cheap. The first visit also includes an immunoglobulin shot which isn't the vaccine itself but intended to fight any virus that is present before your body responds to the vaccine and fights the virus itself. That first visit for me was almost $2k for everything. The rest are your average flu shots and aren't expensive at all.

One of the less mustachian things I've done. The peace of mind was probably worth it though. I was delirious waking up to it in the middle of the night and chasing it around trying to get it out. I was also doing so with a broken leg so I was hobbling around. I just decided to do it and feel better about the whole thing.

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« Reply #34 on: August 05, 2015, 10:54:57 PM »
I can't believe that it is not cause to break your lease when there is an animal carrying a fatal disease flying around and the management isn't completely remediating the issue?  How are you getting customary and reasonable use and enjoyment of a habitable premises when you can't even have someone over at night for some brown-chicken-brown-cow without risking their lives??

Document all of your actions, give the landlord whatever notice is required in your state for a landlord to remediate and make an apt habitable, THEN if they don't seal the building take him to court for a "Declaratory Judgment- Breach of Contract" that he has breached the lease and you are free to move.  You can likely do that in your small claims or justice court without a lawyer, and the tenant's association will help.  Don't move/stop paying rent until you get an order from a judge.  Don't say you want to move because you are scared and don't apologize-- this is unhealthy, you have been injured, your guests are in danger, they were sled to remediate, they didn't, it is a breach, you want out.

Just my opinion.  If I had to take shots to keep my apartment from killing me, I'd be pissed.

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Re: Bats in my bedroom
« Reply #35 on: August 05, 2015, 11:46:32 PM »
Is this thread serious or some bad joke? That was my first reaction.

Bats are cute, protected little animals. Don't kill them unnecessarily.
I had a bat in my living room once in my lifetime. Nobody else I know has experienced this, so this is very rare. I simply opened the window and of course it it flew out. It's not like bats enjoy being inside. I doubt they manage to hide and survive inside for an extended period of time, without food.
And I really have a hard time believing bats can come in unless a window is open. They usually don't crawl around, they fly. If my living quarters had a potential dozen entry points, then THAT would be a reason to leave the place, not some freak once-in-a-lifetime occurrence. Accommodations aren't supposed to have dozens of holes, they should be well insulated and pretty close to airtight at least where I live (cold winters). If that's not the case then I'd move out, for financial reasons. Can't keep a leaky place warm in winter (or cool during summer).
It's currently very hot here, and we open all the windows at night. I know that there are bats outside, I have seen them flying around after sunset and hunt for insects. None of them has ever come in.


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Re: Bats in my bedroom
« Reply #36 on: August 06, 2015, 06:41:28 AM »
BicycleB made a good point about the media. Can you find a network reporter who does human interest stories? Or one who covers consumer issues? I can just see a reporter knocking on Management's door saying "Are you aware your tenant was forced to get rabies shots? ". They can be shamed into letting you out of the lease.

Is it an apartment building with neighbors? If so I would rile them all up with worry, create such mayhem that management would be glad to get you out.

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Re: Bats in my bedroom
« Reply #37 on: August 06, 2015, 07:33:03 AM »
We have bats in behind our shutters outside. Paying a company to remove the bats, take off the shutters, clean up the crap, and seal them up. Totally worth it. Something like $200 for 8 shutters. Nothing like hearing the squeaking when you're reading your daughter bedtime stories. Totally worth the dough.

You paid someone to do this?

3 story town home. I don't have a ladder. Yes, and it was absolutely worth it.

I don't have the PPE to deal with live and possibly rabid bats.

Some things are absolutely OK to outsource. I'm very comfortable with this decision.

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Re: Bats in my bedroom
« Reply #38 on: August 06, 2015, 07:49:38 AM »
In regards to those suggesting the media...I'm trying not to go that route as I don't want to upset management. In other words I don't want to piss them off to the point where they won't let me out of my lease and decide to sue if I vacate the premises.

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Re: Bats in my bedroom
« Reply #39 on: August 06, 2015, 07:50:46 AM »
Is this thread serious or some bad joke? That was my first reaction.

Bats are cute, protected little animals. Don't kill them unnecessarily.
I had a bat in my living room once in my lifetime. Nobody else I know has experienced this, so this is very rare. I simply opened the window and of course it it flew out. It's not like bats enjoy being inside. I doubt they manage to hide and survive inside for an extended period of time, without food.
And I really have a hard time believing bats can come in unless a window is open. They usually don't crawl around, they fly. If my living quarters had a potential dozen entry points, then THAT would be a reason to leave the place, not some freak once-in-a-lifetime occurrence. Accommodations aren't supposed to have dozens of holes, they should be well insulated and pretty close to airtight at least where I live (cold winters). If that's not the case then I'd move out, for financial reasons. Can't keep a leaky place warm in winter (or cool during summer).
It's currently very hot here, and we open all the windows at night. I know that there are bats outside, I have seen them flying around after sunset and hunt for insects. None of them has ever come in.

It's not a joke. Have you read the whole thread? I don't think anyone recommending killing bats.

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Re: Bats in my bedroom
« Reply #40 on: August 06, 2015, 07:52:15 AM »
Why has nobody mentioned that you should be getting treated for rabies?  As a scientist specializing in molecular virology, it's in your best interest to get treated.  Don't go back until the bat is removed from your place.
OP stated in original post that he/she already started Rabies treatment. 

OP, interested to know how much those shots cost nowadays.  About 10 years ago I went overseas and worked for a short period at a monkey rehab center.  I considered getting the vaccine (the first shot of the series), but it was $1000 for just one of a series of 5 or 6.  I decided not to do it, thinking a monkey hospital would have it much cheaper.  (They didn't have it at all and I was nipped and scratched by many baby monkeys)

My ER copay was $200 but I haven't received the bill for that first shot yet.

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Re: Bats in my bedroom
« Reply #41 on: August 06, 2015, 11:09:00 AM »
So just curious for all the people discussing rabies shots.  If you were pretty confident you didn't get bit and you wanted to roll the dice on the rabies, recognizing all of the risks, could you do that? What would the CDC do? Would you have to stay quarantined? It's not like humans go out biting other humans. I'm not an anti vac person generally I just think in some circumstances they are crazy over cautious with the rabies recommendation.

Because you don't always know if you've been bitten while sleeping - bat mouths and teeth are small. If you get rabies, you WILL die. If you get the shots, your risk of getting rabies goes way down. The Health Dept can't make you get prophylaxis, but IMHO why take the risk?

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Re: Bats in my bedroom
« Reply #42 on: August 06, 2015, 11:16:26 AM »
And for anyone wanting an entertaining story on rabies and why it is nearly always fatal, listen to this RadioLab podcast:

http://www.radiolab.org/story/rodney-versus-death/

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Re: Bats in my bedroom
« Reply #43 on: August 06, 2015, 03:15:48 PM »
Thank goodness you are getting the shots. So sorry you have to tho. How flipping terrifying!

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« Reply #44 on: August 06, 2015, 03:32:36 PM »
Landlord finally responded to my email today. Said there is no bat because I'm the only one that's seen it. Also said I can't sublease my apartment.

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Re: Bats in my bedroom
« Reply #45 on: August 06, 2015, 03:48:54 PM »
 if no one else has seen the bat but you, you are in for a tough fight. however, the presence of the bat itself isn't the only evidence you can produce - bats often leave these greasy little smudge marks (from the oils on their fur) in the spot where they are entering the room. so if you find a hole with brownish black smudges around it, that's where they are popping through. take pictures of the smudging, and you can always set up a web cam on the spot to see if it records the bat entering the room.


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« Reply #46 on: August 06, 2015, 03:56:38 PM »
i wonder if you can rent surveillance equipment.

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« Reply #47 on: August 06, 2015, 03:57:51 PM »
if no one else has seen the bat but you, you are in for a tough fight. however, the presence of the bat itself isn't the only evidence you can produce - bats often leave these greasy little smudge marks (from the oils on their fur) in the spot where they are entering the room. so if you find a hole with brownish black smudges around it, that's where they are popping through. take pictures of the smudging, and you can always set up a web cam on the spot to see if it records the bat entering the room.

It was reported before me by a neighbor below me. I think they only reported it to animal control though. I will ask then next time I go by my apartment.

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« Reply #48 on: August 06, 2015, 03:58:28 PM »
i wonder if you can rent surveillance equipment.

That's what I'm looking at doing now.

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« Reply #49 on: August 06, 2015, 09:07:23 PM »
It's most likely nesting in the attic, and climbing down through recessed lighting or the air conditioning duct. Just as a reality check, most bats do not have rabies. Perhaps one bat in 200 has it, and that bat is weak and uninterested in terrorizing you. You're also VERY unlikely to be bitten by a bat, because bats like eating bugs, not people. But, I realize you are freaked out about bats and have zero interest in cohabitating with them.

Source: https://batworld.org/rabies-info/.

Time for my bat story!

A few years ago, my 14 yo daughter tells me there's a bird in her room resting on the curtain rod. Huh, Axe thinks, that is strange. So I go in there and a little brown bat is hanging upside down from her curtain rod. "That's not a bird, sweetie, it's a bat!" I immediately wish I had not said that as she runs screaming from the room, waving her arms in the air.

I go get a leather glove, pluck the bat gently off the rod, and take it outside. It's squirmy and unhappy but doesn't try to bite me or anything. Problem solved! Well, not quite. I toss it gently into the air, where it flies in a circle twice, then zips right past my head, and back into the house through the open door. Then I get to spend the next half hour looking for it. Found it on top of the kitchen cabinets, where I throw a towel over him, take him outside, and close the door behind me. Put him down and he crawls out and away, to eat more bugs in my yard.

I had bats in my attic, but I solved that by putting an LED light up there and keeping it on permanently. No more bats in the attic.