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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #50 on: February 14, 2020, 03:42:40 AM »
I've cancelled a business trip to China next week at the request of my Chinese hosts.

Still planning to visit Tucson and Hermosillo in mid March though. Flight is via Paris.

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #51 on: February 14, 2020, 07:11:15 AM »
I just realized you could lean FIRE easily by visiting China one day, then coming back. Free room & board & medical for two weeks. Plane tickets to China are cheap these days, so you could repeat as soon you are released.

Discuss.


It's easier to just start stabbing people on the street.  Then you'll be arrested and put in jail.  Free laundry, free food, free accommodations, free heating.  Really no down side at all.

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #52 on: February 15, 2020, 07:28:43 PM »
I flew out of Sydney (Australia) yesterday and at the entrance to security they asked every one if they had been to China in the last 2 weeks.  The check-in machine also asked, so it looks like a person asking is a newer measure.

Lots of people wearing masks at both Sydney and Christchurch airports.  I think Air New Zealand has cancelled most if not all flights to China.

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #53 on: February 16, 2020, 09:21:20 AM »
Imo it would be pretty dumb to travel to Asia right now. The personal risk from COVID-19 is pretty low, but if you bring it home with you and infect your city you would rightly feel pretty guilty a out the excess deaths you caused.

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #54 on: February 16, 2020, 10:47:16 PM »
Apparently everyone in China and Hong Kong is working from home as much as possible, maybe other countries too. Just seems like a miserable time to go there and get anything done.

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #55 on: February 18, 2020, 11:14:44 AM »
Here's a few ways to think about the travel issue:

1) Risk of quarantine. We won't know for another month or so whether quarantines are going to continue to be the response or if they will finally admit that the horse is out of the barn and there is no use in quarantining anyone anymore. I do not expect the attempt to restrict this virus to China to be successful because of the large percentage of cases that are asymptomatic or mild, like a common cold, and the inability to test everyone with a cold for the virus. (Also the current test gives a lot of false negatives.)  Traveling to any foreign country, even European countries, might include a risk of being quarantined there if that is the response to future outbreaks.  Soon the US will be unable to bring back all quarantined or infected Americans.  Do buy traveler's health insurance if you go and if you're traveling to third world countries, buy insurance with Medevac coverage.  On the other hand, a month from now they may finally admit it's too late for quarantines and your risk traveling may be no greater than your risk of contracting it at home.

2) Risk of contracting it while traveling: Planes with their recycled air, crowded airports, trains and buses may increase your risk if you aren't normally exposed to crowds. Washing your hands frequently and wearing a mask will protect you from a lot of that risk (not all). Masks are not available to buy but fairly easy to sew if you know someone with sewing skills. Not as good as a N95 mask but pretty good for this use (I've been making some for my family). I wouldn't go on a cruise ship right now as they are germ factories in the best of situations (but then again, I don't go on cruises anyway because I have the worlds worst motion sickness). 

3) Inexpensive travel opportunities: once the virus is widespread and quarantines are no longer being used, traveling may not pose a bigger risk than being home if you wash hands frequently and wear a mask. If you're young and healthy you may be able to pick up some killer travel deals because the travel industry will be hurting.

4) Perspective - the true fatality rate is most likely in the 0.3-0.6% range. This would put the likelihood of US deaths, if 20% of the population contracts the virus, at about 4-8 times a typical flu season's deaths.  Not exactly zombie apocalypse numbers, but concerning. It is unknown whether this virus will be seasonal or not - if it is, it may start to die down for the summer and recur next winter.

5) Countries not reporting coronavirus - do not assume that Africa, South America, and especially Indonesia are safe because they aren't reporting coronavirus cases yet. Indonesia almost certainly DOES have cases, based on the spread in surrounding countries, so the lack of reported cases is suspicious. Africa has numerous ties to China and almost certainly has the virus too but lacks the public health capacity to test for it efficiently.

In short - assume it will not be successfully contained to China, there's no predicting how other countries will respond as it starts to spread, washing hands and wearing a mask are your best protection, 90% of cases may be mild or asymptomatic, older people and people with underlying health conditions are at the most risk but even healthy young people can die of it. I predict that in 2 months we will have a much clearer picture of how other countries will respond to the eventual spread, and whether it will start to die down for the summer - or not.

Oh - and don't wait around for a vaccine. It will probably be two years before there is enough for routine vaccinations at a minimum.
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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #56 on: February 18, 2020, 01:03:05 PM »
I ended up in urgent care last week with a nasty cough.  I was concerned it might be pneumonia, and when I was still getting worse after a week, I went in.  It's hard to overstate how terrible I sounded, and at one point during my wait, I coughed so hard I threw up.  I also live in the DC area, with lots of international visitors.

I was curious to see if CV affected the experience at all. 

The initial check in was a touch screen, and the first two questions, even before "name" were, "Have you traveled to China in the last two weeks"  And "Have you spent time in the last two weeks with anyone who has traveled to China".  (That may not be verbatim.)  Other than that, it wasn't mentioned.  The intake nurse and doctor both didn't ask me about it (though presumably they had access to that info.) And no one seemed bothered by a person with an atrocious cough sitting around for two hours.  I did put on a mask, though I wasn't asked to. 

(By they way, it was, surprisingly to me since it was all cough and barely a tickle in my throat, strep.)

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #57 on: February 18, 2020, 06:47:59 PM »
I ended up in urgent care last week with a nasty cough.  I was concerned it might be pneumonia, and when I was still getting worse after a week, I went in.  It's hard to overstate how terrible I sounded, and at one point during my wait, I coughed so hard I threw up.  I also live in the DC area, with lots of international visitors.

I was curious to see if CV affected the experience at all. 

The initial check in was a touch screen, and the first two questions, even before "name" were, "Have you traveled to China in the last two weeks"  And "Have you spent time in the last two weeks with anyone who has traveled to China".  (That may not be verbatim.)  Other than that, it wasn't mentioned.  The intake nurse and doctor both didn't ask me about it (though presumably they had access to that info.) And no one seemed bothered by a person with an atrocious cough sitting around for two hours.  I did put on a mask, though I wasn't asked to. 

(By they way, it was, surprisingly to me since it was all cough and barely a tickle in my throat, strep.)

I think if you had answered "Yes" to either of those questions, your experience may have been different. When we flew back to Toronto from Shanghai three weeks ago, we naturally had to answer "Yes" to the first question, which prompted the question as to whether we had traveled to Wuhan within the past two weeks. We then waited until they checked our passports and confirmed we had not used them to travel to Wuhan before letting us leave.

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #58 on: February 19, 2020, 05:42:32 AM »
H was in the ER last weekend in Mpls, and they didn't ask him about contact with China until he was back in a bed in the ER.  I was surprised- I thought that they would ask the minute we stepped in the door.  ( he wasn't having an active emergency when we arrived). 

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #59 on: February 20, 2020, 11:40:23 AM »
I was supposed to go to a valve manufacturer to perform an audit in India in March, but it has been cancelled due to the corona virus. Iím not too heartbroken in actuality..

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #60 on: February 25, 2020, 02:32:45 PM »
Here's a few ways to think about the travel issue:

1) Risk of quarantine. We won't know for another month or so whether quarantines are going to continue to be the response or if they will finally admit that the horse is out of the barn and there is no use in quarantining anyone anymore. I do not expect the attempt to restrict this virus to China to be successful because of the large percentage of cases that are asymptomatic or mild, like a common cold, and the inability to test everyone with a cold for the virus. (Also the current test gives a lot of false negatives.)  Traveling to any foreign country, even European countries, might include a risk of being quarantined there if that is the response to future outbreaks.  Soon the US will be unable to bring back all quarantined or infected Americans.  Do buy traveler's health insurance if you go and if you're traveling to third world countries, buy insurance with Medevac coverage.  On the other hand, a month from now they may finally admit it's too late for quarantines and your risk traveling may be no greater than your risk of contracting it at home.

2) Risk of contracting it while traveling: Planes with their recycled air, crowded airports, trains and buses may increase your risk if you aren't normally exposed to crowds. Washing your hands frequently and wearing a mask will protect you from a lot of that risk (not all). Masks are not available to buy but fairly easy to sew if you know someone with sewing skills. Not as good as a N95 mask but pretty good for this use (I've been making some for my family). I wouldn't go on a cruise ship right now as they are germ factories in the best of situations (but then again, I don't go on cruises anyway because I have the worlds worst motion sickness). 

3) Inexpensive travel opportunities: once the virus is widespread and quarantines are no longer being used, traveling may not pose a bigger risk than being home if you wash hands frequently and wear a mask. If you're young and healthy you may be able to pick up some killer travel deals because the travel industry will be hurting.

4) Perspective - the true fatality rate is most likely in the 0.3-0.6% range. This would put the likelihood of US deaths, if 20% of the population contracts the virus, at about 4-8 times a typical flu season's deaths.  Not exactly zombie apocalypse numbers, but concerning. It is unknown whether this virus will be seasonal or not - if it is, it may start to die down for the summer and recur next winter.

5) Countries not reporting coronavirus - do not assume that Africa, South America, and especially Indonesia are safe because they aren't reporting coronavirus cases yet. Indonesia almost certainly DOES have cases, based on the spread in surrounding countries, so the lack of reported cases is suspicious. Africa has numerous ties to China and almost certainly has the virus too but lacks the public health capacity to test for it efficiently.

In short - assume it will not be successfully contained to China, there's no predicting how other countries will respond as it starts to spread, washing hands and wearing a mask are your best protection, 90% of cases may be mild or asymptomatic, older people and people with underlying health conditions are at the most risk but even healthy young people can die of it. I predict that in 2 months we will have a much clearer picture of how other countries will respond to the eventual spread, and whether it will start to die down for the summer - or not.

Oh - and don't wait around for a vaccine. It will probably be two years before there is enough for routine vaccinations at a minimum.
This is really informative. Now that it has spread to other countries, it is interesting to see the reactions of people and actions that are being taken. Some of those actions/reactions are more scary then the virus! Now that Spain quarantined a hotel and Italy several towns  I imagine there will be others that follow suit. And of course yesterdays market (haven't check today). Seems like a cascade has begun but too soon to tell. If course its a great time for travel deals!!

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #61 on: February 25, 2020, 05:04:45 PM »
I'm scheduled on a river cruise in Germany in early May.  I'm not so concerned for myself, but my mother is going, and will be celebrating  her 85th birthday on our extension to Krakow.

At this point, I'm leaving it up to Viking to decide.  We do have insurance!

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #62 on: February 25, 2020, 05:08:34 PM »
I ended up in urgent care last week with a nasty cough.  I was concerned it might be pneumonia, and when I was still getting worse after a week, I went in.  It's hard to overstate how terrible I sounded, and at one point during my wait, I coughed so hard I threw up.  I also live in the DC area, with lots of international visitors.

I was curious to see if CV affected the experience at all. 

The initial check in was a touch screen, and the first two questions, even before "name" were, "Have you traveled to China in the last two weeks"  And "Have you spent time in the last two weeks with anyone who has traveled to China".  (That may not be verbatim.)  Other than that, it wasn't mentioned.  The intake nurse and doctor both didn't ask me about it (though presumably they had access to that info.) And no one seemed bothered by a person with an atrocious cough sitting around for two hours.  I did put on a mask, though I wasn't asked to. 

(By they way, it was, surprisingly to me since it was all cough and barely a tickle in my throat, strep.)

My understanding is that there is a severe shortage of coronavirus test kits in the US. So, not sure how aggressively they can even try to test/diagnose at this point.

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #63 on: February 25, 2020, 05:10:04 PM »
Weíre going to London in a week, for two weeks. Essentially, weíll be washing our hands, bringing hand sanitizer, avoiding physical contact with people (no handshakes or hugs) and hoping for the best.

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #64 on: February 25, 2020, 05:37:03 PM »
We are contemplating ditching some work trips and a summer Europe trip. Of course, if quarantining stops, we will go. A two week quarantine away from home would be disastrous both work wise and if with the kids.

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #65 on: February 25, 2020, 09:09:01 PM »
We wonít take our August Europe trip if they are still quarantining.

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #66 on: February 25, 2020, 09:36:52 PM »
I wasnít planning on cancelling anything, but now the talk is they might cancel the Olympics. So travel plan changes might be forced upon me.

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« Reply #67 on: February 25, 2020, 10:16:20 PM »
I have a business trip to Italy that will probably get cancelled. I'm still fine with going. Yes, there are 300+ cases..... out of 60 million people. And there's an 80% chance that if I do get it, it will be no worse than the common cold (many of which are caused by other forms of coronavirus).

My only concern would be getting stuck there for a few weeks if they started shutting down flights on the way back or restricting travel out of the area I would be going.

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« Reply #68 on: February 25, 2020, 10:24:46 PM »
We are monitoring the situation carefully. I had wanted to fly to Asia around now. But am recovering from pneumonia and DH says there is no way I should expose my weaker body to any possibility of the coronavirus. So we wait. Hoping to travel to Asia in late spring/early summer if the situation stabilizes but DH says, "we will see".

In the meantime, we have booked flights to Florida in March and April and plan to go although DH is concerned about it spreading in the US so we continue to read reports daily.

We have been adjusting our travel plans a bit. When we went to Toronto a couple of weeks ago, we avoided the big Chinese mall (mostly because I am still in recovery and my immune system is likely weak). And when we went to Florida a few weeks back, we washed our hands obsessively and were super careful about touching our faces and our food.

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #69 on: February 26, 2020, 01:33:41 AM »
I live in Europe but my company has cancelled all business trips to areas affected by corona virus. In addition, we are actively discouraged from (international) business travel. I just had to cancel business trips planned in 2 weeks to currently unaffected areas.

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« Reply #70 on: February 26, 2020, 02:23:16 AM »
I have booked a flight transiting through Singapore to Sydney in May for personal travel and my employer is asking me to reconsider my travel plans and the risk it might imply to my colleagues.

They canít tell me what to do on my own time, but I may have to work from home for 2 weeks after transiting through Singapore... if they really donít want me to go via Singapore they have the option of paying for an alternate flight for me that bypasses Asia.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I remember traveling through Singapore airport during the SARS outbreak and thought at that time that the airport were taking necessary precautions. You couldnít get off the plane if they detected a fever for instance.

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« Reply #71 on: February 26, 2020, 06:34:36 AM »
We've got a big family trip to Italy and Greece scheduled for May/June. We've been planning it and paying for things for a year. I'm glad we bought trip insurance. Sigh.

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #72 on: February 26, 2020, 07:38:53 AM »
What's weird to me is that, based on some of the responses, it seems the cruise and tour companies are cancelling trips that are many month away and paying big buck to do that. Do they really feel that things will be worse 7 months or longer from now or are they just erring on the side of caution?

SARS took a few months to settle down - Nov 2002 to July 2003 (9 months). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_SARS_outbreak

So they are likely predicting it would be similar to SARS.

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #73 on: February 26, 2020, 07:49:07 AM »
I was hoping to go to Italy in May with family, but now they are putting off any concrete plans for the moment, so I'm not sure if I'll still go. Even if I do book, I'd probably get travel insurance just in case. For now my plan is just to wait and see for the next little while.

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #74 on: February 26, 2020, 08:19:59 AM »
I was hoping to go to Italy in May with family, but now they are putting off any concrete plans for the moment, so I'm not sure if I'll still go. Even if I do book, I'd probably get travel insurance just in case. For now my plan is just to wait and see for the next little while.

Ha, exact same for me (Italy, May, holding off). None of us booked yet, we might revisit for later in the year and possibly another destination.

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #75 on: February 26, 2020, 08:41:25 AM »
I was hoping to go to Italy in May with family, but now they are putting off any concrete plans for the moment, so I'm not sure if I'll still go. Even if I do book, I'd probably get travel insurance just in case. For now my plan is just to wait and see for the next little while.

Ha, exact same for me (Italy, May, holding off). None of us booked yet, we might revisit for later in the year and possibly another destination.
My dates are pretty strict because it's for a wedding, so if it doesn't work out for May I won't go this year at all, but I'd still be pretty disappointed if I had to miss it. My alternative plan is just to do a road trip, which would still be fun but not the same.

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« Reply #76 on: February 26, 2020, 09:17:59 AM »
My parents' upcoming trip with mom's siblings will probably be scrapped for the second year in a row (last year, it was the government shutdown and issues with TSA staffing at airports). They're all elderly, dad has a pacemaker and low-stage cancer, and mom's brother is immunocompromised. I can't imagine that either of them will want to sit on a plane for hours and risk getting stuck several states away from home.

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #77 on: February 26, 2020, 10:01:41 AM »
The Wall Street Journal had a good article on this today. They made the good point that if you travel, make sure you have an extra supply of any medications you take with you in case you get stuck.  Also discussed the ins and outs of different types if travel insurance.

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #78 on: February 26, 2020, 10:43:33 AM »
I am not holding my breathe on our Europe trip, but I am not cancelling anything until closer to the time.

I last attempted to travel to Europe 10 years ago, but a volcano cancelled my trip.

I wasn't exactly a rabble rouser when I travelled in my youth, so I am not sure what it is that Europe has against me.

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #79 on: February 26, 2020, 12:21:11 PM »
I wimped out and changed my flight to Europe to late Aug. instead of next month.
Eurail Pass is good for a year before I need to activate it so won't lose money on that. I'm just going to stick with camping road trips for now. I don't worry much about the virus but do about quarantined...especially what could be multiple quarantined as has been happening to some people who have returned to the US.

I just heard a flight attendant is infected and she was on multiple flights before getting sick.

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #80 on: February 26, 2020, 08:55:10 PM »
I live in Europe but my company has cancelled all business trips to areas affected by corona virus. In addition, we are actively discouraged from (international) business travel. I just had to cancel business trips planned in 2 weeks to currently unaffected areas.

This, but I live in the US