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« Reply #150 on: April 19, 2020, 05:06:50 PM »
Can't you just chargeback the trip on your credit card?

I'm not sure what that means? Is it another term for disputing the charge?  (I have done that.)

Yeah.  If I order something that isn't delivered, I can just tell my credit card company and they refund the money.  Then they go after the person who didn't deliver as promised.  Is that not true of credit cards everywhere?

they may charge back if the company tells them no.

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« Reply #151 on: April 19, 2020, 05:50:42 PM »
Yeah, I think they all do.  My credit card company has put a temporary credit on my account for this, so that's great, but I'm generally expecting that the airline with get back with some mumbo jumbo about how I purchased a non-refundable ticket. And they probably won't reference US DOT guidelines on how their cancellation means I deserve a refund regardless or maybe they will, but make some specious claim about how they aren't subject to it or something?  And then my credit card company will (I'm just guessing) not want to get into the business of who is right about the terms of contracts and US DOT regulations and will just accept the company's excuses?  I'm not sure, hopefully I'm just being pessimistic. I dunno, if others have experience with protracted credit card charge disputes, I'd welcome hearing advice.

My credit card company did tell me that if they don't respond in 90 days, the temporary credit becomes permanent.  Which would be awesome...I just doubt the airline will miss replying to the charge!

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« Reply #152 on: June 08, 2020, 10:46:18 AM »
^A few million dead people and a few million extreme sick people probably disagree.

Well Im bravely testing the waters on a road trip. Left this morning and will see how things go. Most stuff in my state (CA) are opening but both state parks and national parks are still closed for camping (what I'll be doing) but borrowed a van so can stealth camp if needed. I plan to be very socially distanced from most people so should be OK for others and myself.

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« Reply #153 on: June 08, 2020, 10:52:28 AM »
^A few million dead people and a few million extreme sick people probably disagree.

Well Im bravely testing the waters on a road trip. Left this morning and will see how things go. Most stuff in my state (CA) are opening but both state parks and national parks are still closed for camping (what I'll be doing) but borrowed a van so can stealth camp if needed. I plan to be very socially distanced from most people so should be OK for others and myself.
The person you're responding to is a spammer. There's no point in discussing the issue with them.

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« Reply #154 on: June 08, 2020, 08:31:56 PM »
Spartana, I hope your trip goes well.  Camping sounds safe to me.

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« Reply #158 on: June 24, 2020, 01:40:15 PM »
Now Europe might be putting off our travel...

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2020-06-23/european-union-considers-banning-americans-from-travel-as-cases-rise-in-us
Read that earlier today myself. Can't say that I blame them!

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The only odd thing is that they keep naming individual countries, rather than saying countries that don't meet X criteria, then keep an updated list of which countries that refers to.

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« Reply #159 on: June 24, 2020, 01:53:24 PM »
Lot airlines just cancelled our flight to Poland but not the return trip. Itís weird.

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« Reply #160 on: June 24, 2020, 07:50:17 PM »
Spartana, I hope your trip goes well.  Camping sounds safe to me.
It was a total bust. VERY crowded and no camping or motels abailable. Not even wilderness sites in the Sierras. Stayed about a week near Mammoth then came home. Now with things opening up here in Calif cases, deaths, hospitalizations and people in ICU are really rising so I'm likely staying put at home. Unfortunately friends, BF and family are all starting to participate in big group activities and going back to work so maybe off in a remote mountain town is the best place to be. Some places are starting to close again as well as postpone fully opening due to the increased numbers. In my county today was the highest number of deaths and this week.has the highest number of new cases (more testing?) as well as hospitalization and ICU.

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« Reply #161 on: June 25, 2020, 11:41:06 AM »
So sorry your trip didnít go well. Nevadaís cases are skyrocketing also. We havenít been anywhere in 18 months and really want to go to Yosemite but probably doubtful if we could find a place to stay. We sold our motor home in February.

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« Reply #162 on: June 25, 2020, 01:29:24 PM »
Now Europe might be putting off our travel...

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2020-06-23/european-union-considers-banning-americans-from-travel-as-cases-rise-in-us
Read that earlier today myself. Can't say that I blame them!

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This is starting playing out exactly like I thought it would.  I don't want to be right on this.  Fortunately the bounce in cases is happening slower than I expected. 
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« Reply #163 on: June 25, 2020, 03:05:17 PM »
Spartana, I hope your trip goes well.  Camping sounds safe to me.
It was a total bust. VERY crowded and no camping or motels abailable. Not even wilderness sites in the Sierras. Stayed about a week near Mammoth then came home. Now with things opening up here in Calif cases, deaths, hospitalizations and people in ICU are really rising so I'm likely staying put at home. Unfortunately friends, BF and family are all starting to participate in big group activities and going back to work so maybe off in a remote mountain town is the best place to be. Some places are starting to close again as well as postpone fully opening due to the increased numbers. In my county today was the highest number of deaths and this week.has the highest number of new cases (more testing?) as well as hospitalization and ICU.
I hope we don't have problems with this if we manage to get on the road. We're planning to utilize a lot of National Forest and BLM areas that would probably be less than full under normal circumstances but I've read about the hordes of people turning to camping to get away from home. Hopefully as long as we're not near major cities this won't be an issue.

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« Reply #164 on: June 27, 2020, 11:06:57 PM »
Spartana, I hope your trip goes well.  Camping sounds safe to me.
It was a total bust. VERY crowded and no camping or motels abailable. Not even wilderness sites in the Sierras. Stayed about a week near Mammoth then came home. Now with things opening up here in Calif cases, deaths, hospitalizations and people in ICU are really rising so I'm likely staying put at home. Unfortunately friends, BF and family are all starting to participate in big group activities and going back to work so maybe off in a remote mountain town is the best place to be. Some places are starting to close again as well as postpone fully opening due to the increased numbers. In my county today was the highest number of deaths and this week.has the highest number of new cases (more testing?) as well as hospitalization and ICU.
I hope we don't have problems with this if we manage to get on the road. We're planning to utilize a lot of National Forest and BLM areas that would probably be less than full under normal circumstances but I've read about the hordes of people turning to camping to get away from home. Hopefully as long as we're not near major cities this won't be an issue.
I don't know about BLM camping but seems crazy packed everywhere. Much more crowded then pre- covid times. I think it is doable now that stores and gas stations, etc  in the nearby towns are open...for now. I'd still be very hesitant to do a long multi month trip but seems you guys are pretty prepared and willing to make sure you don't bring your out of state covid cooties to the small towns. Some places are starting to close again or stall their planned reopening so that's something to consider to. I will say that people are NOT very cautious here and it is becoming harder to practice social distancing then before. You might find even remote places much more crowded then pre-covid times because so many people want to get away so your own risk is increased along with the risk of you bringing covid into the next place you visit. 
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« Reply #165 on: June 28, 2020, 02:34:10 AM »
Spartana, I hope your trip goes well.  Camping sounds safe to me.
It was a total bust. VERY crowded and no camping or motels abailable. Not even wilderness sites in the Sierras. Stayed about a week near Mammoth then came home. Now with things opening up here in Calif cases, deaths, hospitalizations and people in ICU are really rising so I'm likely staying put at home. Unfortunately friends, BF and family are all starting to participate in big group activities and going back to work so maybe off in a remote mountain town is the best place to be. Some places are starting to close again as well as postpone fully opening due to the increased numbers. In my county today was the highest number of deaths and this week.has the highest number of new cases (more testing?) as well as hospitalization and ICU.
I hope we don't have problems with this if we manage to get on the road. We're planning to utilize a lot of National Forest and BLM areas that would probably be less than full under normal circumstances but I've read about the hordes of people turning to camping to get away from home. Hopefully as long as we're not near major cities this won't be an issue.
I don't know about BLM camping but seems crazy packed everywhere. Much more crowded then pre- covid times. I think it is doable now that stores and gas stations, etc  in the nearby towns are open...for now. I'd still be very hesitant to do a long multi month trip but seems you guys are pretty prepared and willing to make sure you don't bring your out of state covid cooties to the small towns. Some places are starting to close again or stall their planned reopening so that's something to consider to. I will say that people are NOT very cautious here and it is becoming harder to practice social distancing then before. You might find even remote places much more crowded then pre-covid times because so many people want to get away so your own risk is increased along with the risk of you bringing covid into the next place you visit.

Yeah, our cottage is a 15-minute drive from a small town where most cottagers usually go to stock up as they have several grocery stores and a Walmart.  The Mayors of the small towns in cottage country are asking the city folk to bring up their own groceries and minimize trips into town so as not to pass on COVID cooties to local residents. They worry that their small rural hospitals wonít be able to handle a wave of COVID infections.

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« Reply #166 on: June 28, 2020, 08:37:43 AM »
I will say that people are NOT very cautious here and it is becoming harder to practice social distancing then before. You might find even remote places much more crowded then pre-covid times because so many people want to get away so your own risk is increased along with the risk of you bringing covid into the next place you visit.

That kind of surprises me.  I fully expected Southerners to ignore social distancing based on the culture here, but I kind of thought the whole West Coast would take it seriously.  The numbers suggest that that's true in the Bay Area and the PNW, but not in Southern California.  I'm not very familiar with Southern California, and I guess it's more different from the Bay Area and the PNW than I realized.  Are things playing out the way you expected based on the culture in Southern California? 

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« Reply #167 on: June 28, 2020, 09:29:47 AM »
I think that people tend to forget that SoCal is politically and culturally diverse. There are communities very dependent on family and community for meeting basic needs, there are large Trump supporting enclaves who are still insisting that these measures are a political hoax.

And God damnit, I don't care how cautious you are, it is your God given right to go to the beach. I have an immuno compromised friend who complained about the crowds making social distancing impossible at the beach AND complained when the parking lots were closed to limit the crowds.

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« Reply #168 on: June 28, 2020, 10:18:55 AM »
Spartana, I hope your trip goes well.  Camping sounds safe to me.
It was a total bust. VERY crowded and no camping or motels abailable. Not even wilderness sites in the Sierras. Stayed about a week near Mammoth then came home. Now with things opening up here in Calif cases, deaths, hospitalizations and people in ICU are really rising so I'm likely staying put at home. Unfortunately friends, BF and family are all starting to participate in big group activities and going back to work so maybe off in a remote mountain town is the best place to be. Some places are starting to close again as well as postpone fully opening due to the increased numbers. In my county today was the highest number of deaths and this week.has the highest number of new cases (more testing?) as well as hospitalization and ICU.
I hope we don't have problems with this if we manage to get on the road. We're planning to utilize a lot of National Forest and BLM areas that would probably be less than full under normal circumstances but I've read about the hordes of people turning to camping to get away from home. Hopefully as long as we're not near major cities this won't be an issue.
I don't know about BLM camping but seems crazy packed everywhere. Much more crowded then pre- covid times. I think it is doable now that stores and gas stations, etc  in the nearby towns are open...for now. I'd still be very hesitant to do a long multi month trip but seems you guys are pretty prepared and willing to make sure you don't bring your out of state covid cooties to the small towns. Some places are starting to close again or stall their planned reopening so that's something to consider to. I will say that people are NOT very cautious here and it is becoming harder to practice social distancing then before. You might find even remote places much more crowded then pre-covid times because so many people want to get away so your own risk is increased along with the risk of you bringing covid into the next place you visit.
We have an almost completely off-grid setup. Bathroom and shower abilities, and we sleep in the van. As far as COVID is concerned, we'll have cloth masks, P100 respirators, isopropyl alcohol, soap, and nitrile gloves. We've already been practicing our safety techniques like when getting gas only one hand is used to touch anything. Only one person goes into a store while the other is prepared with sanitizing materials when the other emerges. We're not messing around.

If need be, the 3.5" lift on our Sienna will let us get off-road and utilize forest service roads, etc. to find more remote campsites. There are some breathtaking sites out there that you can't really get to in a normal car.

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« Reply #169 on: June 28, 2020, 10:25:22 AM »
One of the obstacles to travel is the contingency plan if you get sick. You probably canít fly home with a fever. You could end up being sick in an unfamiliar place with no support beyond your travel mates. If you are in the hospital for weeks, where will they stay? Pre-hospital how will you separate from each other in an RV, van or tent? Now everyone in the group is infected and it may not be feasible to get home. Not a pleasant scenario.

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« Reply #170 on: June 28, 2020, 10:50:35 AM »
One of the obstacles to travel is the contingency plan if you get sick. You probably can’t fly home with a fever. You could end up being sick in an unfamiliar place with no support beyond your travel mates. If you are in the hospital for weeks, where will they stay? Pre-hospital how will you separate from each other in an RV, van or tent? Now everyone in the group is infected and it may not be feasible to get home. Not a pleasant scenario.
Go solo or just with your SO or immediate family. Go no further than a days drive from home so that if you feel ill you can go home asap. This is what I've done but I'm now looking at renting a cabin somewhere in mid-August or Sept for a couple of months with BF rather than doing a road trip.
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« Reply #171 on: June 28, 2020, 11:01:38 AM »
I will say that people are NOT very cautious here and it is becoming harder to practice social distancing then before. You might find even remote places much more crowded then pre-covid times because so many people want to get away so your own risk is increased along with the risk of you bringing covid into the next place you visit.

That kind of surprises me.  I fully expected Southerners to ignore social distancing based on the culture here, but I kind of thought the whole West Coast would take it seriously.  The numbers suggest that that's true in the Bay Area and the PNW, but not in Southern California.  I'm not very familiar with Southern California, and I guess it's more different from the Bay Area and the PNW than I realized.  Are things playing out the way you expected based on the culture in Southern California?
Yeah SoCal (and much of Calif) is pretty diverse politically and there are some big areas of "red" in my particular county. My town was one of the first big "open up Calif" protests where no one wore a mask and shouted in the face of everyone else, lots of huge crowds at the beach, many ignoring the mandates, and just a basic laissez faire kind additude about the whole covid thing. Now our cases, hospitalizations and deaths are increasing.

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« Reply #172 on: June 28, 2020, 11:46:06 AM »
I will say that people are NOT very cautious here and it is becoming harder to practice social distancing then before. You might find even remote places much more crowded then pre-covid times because so many people want to get away so your own risk is increased along with the risk of you bringing covid into the next place you visit.

That kind of surprises me.  I fully expected Southerners to ignore social distancing based on the culture here, but I kind of thought the whole West Coast would take it seriously.  The numbers suggest that that's true in the Bay Area and the PNW, but not in Southern California.  I'm not very familiar with Southern California, and I guess it's more different from the Bay Area and the PNW than I realized.  Are things playing out the way you expected based on the culture in Southern California?

As another SoCal resident-- yeah, it's a huge area with a lot of diversity, including bastions of extremely conservative republican folks who may be listening to rhetoric depicting the virus as some kind of political hoax.  I have definitely seen the anti-maskers with their 'MASKS CAUSE CO2 POISONING' bullshit around here.  Orange County especially is a very red county.  That said, I can't just point fingers at other groups, lol.  While the area I live in is (imo) pretty good about social distancing and masking, there are a lot of people for whom the scales of 'fear of deadly pandemic' versus 'quarantine is a hassle and I hate it and don't give a frick anymore' have tipped in favor of throwing caution out the window.

I also suspect that the push to reopen has a lot of people letting their guard down.  Folks who don't live on the internet or know to do their own research might be lulled into a sense of false security-- after all, surely things must be on the mend if the government has approved restaurant dining again.  Right??

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« Reply #173 on: June 28, 2020, 12:22:20 PM »
Ok.  My experience with SoCal is one trip to San Diego as opposed to having lived in Oregon plus multiple trips to Washington and the Bay Area.  It doesn't surprise me that those areas seem to be keeping things somewhat under control.

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« Reply #174 on: June 29, 2020, 07:15:26 AM »
One of the obstacles to travel is the contingency plan if you get sick. You probably canít fly home with a fever. You could end up being sick in an unfamiliar place with no support beyond your travel mates. If you are in the hospital for weeks, where will they stay? Pre-hospital how will you separate from each other in an RV, van or tent? Now everyone in the group is infected and it may not be feasible to get home. Not a pleasant scenario.

I was thinking about visiting more remote places in NM, Arizona, California desert this fall/winter but this is what's concerning me.  I'll be in a van, without facilities, so I'm mostly reliant on using vault toilets, finding a shower somewhere (perhaps hitting a campground every few days).  But if I got really sick, I don't know where I'd go.  I guess I could park in some BLM land somewhere, hopefully with some shade, but it would be really miserable. 

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« Reply #175 on: June 29, 2020, 10:33:35 AM »
One of the obstacles to travel is the contingency plan if you get sick. You probably canít fly home with a fever. You could end up being sick in an unfamiliar place with no support beyond your travel mates. If you are in the hospital for weeks, where will they stay? Pre-hospital how will you separate from each other in an RV, van or tent? Now everyone in the group is infected and it may not be feasible to get home. Not a pleasant scenario.

I was thinking about visiting more remote places in NM, Arizona, California desert this fall/winter but this is what's concerning me.  I'll be in a van, without facilities, so I'm mostly reliant on using vault toilets, finding a shower somewhere (perhaps hitting a campground every few days).  But if I got really sick, I don't know where I'd go.  I guess I could park in some BLM land somewhere, hopefully with some shade, but it would be really miserable.
Depending on how rustic you want to get you can resolve the facilities issues fairly easily. We're carrying 6 gallons of water for showers, and a solar shower bag that will heat it up during the day. $20 worth of PVC pipe and a tarp will get you a shower cubicle you can set up in 5 minutes on the side of a van.

That same shower cubicle can be used for privacy when you do your business with a 5 gallon bucket. Just use biodegradable waste bags and bury it using proper Leave No Trace methods. And don't forget the gamma life for your bucket. Keeps everything sealed up in case you have to pack out waste.

The PVC for our shower cubicle will come apart and, using the tarp, will double as an awning if we were somewhere with no shade.
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« Reply #176 on: June 30, 2020, 08:27:37 AM »
One of the obstacles to travel is the contingency plan if you get sick. You probably can’t fly home with a fever. You could end up being sick in an unfamiliar place with no support beyond your travel mates. If you are in the hospital for weeks, where will they stay? Pre-hospital how will you separate from each other in an RV, van or tent? Now everyone in the group is infected and it may not be feasible to get home. Not a pleasant scenario.

I was thinking about visiting more remote places in NM, Arizona, California desert this fall/winter but this is what's concerning me.  I'll be in a van, without facilities, so I'm mostly reliant on using vault toilets, finding a shower somewhere (perhaps hitting a campground every few days).  But if I got really sick, I don't know where I'd go.  I guess I could park in some BLM land somewhere, hopefully with some shade, but it would be really miserable.
I'd be pretty cautious if you are going by yourself far from home as getting very sick while stuck somewhere remote, maybe unable to drive, get food and water, and phone reception  can be problems - especially if somewhere with extreme weather like the SoCal desert. 

Plus, as others said, you may run the risk of not being able to get into a hospital or get home and end up having to care for yourself in your van or a motel would be hard without support. Some of our hospitals are already at or near full capacity - especially in the smaller desert counties like Imperial County which has be placed back on full lockdown because of the surge in cases and no hospitals taking people. So maybe staying home, if safer, or near family and friends, would be the best option for a bit longer.

ETA Looks like LA county and about 16 other ones, are closing beaches, parks, biking and hiking trails from Friday to Monday to to try and slow the growth of cases. Its likely we will be back to a full stay at home orders in most places soon. At least for awhile longer. To many spikes in cases and too many people needing hospital beds and ICUs that are close to or at capacity. I imagine my beach county will close for the weekend to as it is very popular. It usually has a huge parade and fireworks show that people from all over come to see but all shut down now. There will likely be big protests and looting.

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« Reply #177 on: June 30, 2020, 10:11:58 AM »
Yeah, this is my concern - it's not the isolating, but in the case I got a bad case of the covid, would be worried about being out in some BLM land, no facilities, unable to drive, eat, etc.  There are some informal groups of campers meeting up, perhaps would consider doing that at minimum to not be stuck alone somewhere.  I also try to camp where there is cell reception, and I do have an emergency battery for charging phone. 

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« Reply #178 on: June 30, 2020, 12:26:54 PM »
I think that people tend to forget that SoCal is politically and culturally diverse. There are communities very dependent on family and community for meeting basic needs, there are large Trump supporting enclaves who are still insisting that these measures are a political hoax.

And God damnit, I don't care how cautious you are, it is your God given right to go to the beach. I have an immuno compromised friend who complained about the crowds making social distancing impossible at the beach AND complained when the parking lots were closed to limit the crowds.
Yep. And even with the stay at home order, many of my friends are regularly going to the Sierras for camping trips.  I don't know if they are packed or not at all.  But, as so many parents aren't working and there's no summer camp, I wouldn't be surprised.  People are over it.  Even though we are still supposed to be "safer at home". 

I have friends who feel the same.  Regular hikers and trail runners, then COVID happened and suddenly the trails are packed...because people are stuck at home with their kids.  They need to get out.  You can still get out and avoid people, but it requires going further into the backcountry and avoiding weekdays.  I just needed to remind my friends that they don't have any more right to the trails... in any event, I just took a morning to take kid #2 (7) to the beach.  We showed up at 8:20 am.

Turns out, not a lot of people there at 8:20 am.  We were the first to put down our towel, and it was mostly older people walking.  Left at 10:20, and it was filling up.

And yes, lot of anti-mask individualist Trumpers all over CA.

One of the reasons we bailed on traveling to the East Coast this summer (there were many reasons) was health related.  My HMO wouldn't cover me anywhere but in CA.  So I'd have to buy temp insurance.  I think we may still take this trip, maybe next summer.  Hubby and kids are on a PPO, so they are fine.

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« Reply #179 on: June 30, 2020, 12:38:29 PM »
Now that I've got enough Aeroplan points for a round-trip transoceanic flight in business class... plus I can't eat grains apparently.

Things can change fast, that's what I've learned in the past few months.