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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #100 on: March 11, 2020, 03:25:06 PM »
I wouldn’t fly anywhere right now. The entire country of Italy is on a month quarantine. If you are over 65 they aren’t wasting a ventilator on you or reviving you if you code. Their hospitals are at 200% capacity.
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The whole country of Italy was put on lockdown, no nonessential movement, earlier this week.

As for the rest of it: https://www.thelocal.it/20200311/hospitals-are-overwhelmed-italian-doctors-describe-the-struggle-of-fighting-the-coronavirus-outbreak

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« Reply #101 on: March 11, 2020, 03:28:10 PM »
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I am not naturally inclined to being too nervous but am more suspicious when big businesses voluntarily choose to lose so much money.

They are doing this because big businesses are staffed with educated professionals who understand the math of the situation. Businesses would mitigate risks that were far smaller than this immediately. Frankly, if it weren't for businesses reacting, we'd be much worse off. Some have implied that specifically the reactions of tech businesses to the pandemic have led the way.

Also entire countries are not shutting borders, losing tourism and enforcing quarantine to "own the libs".

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #102 on: March 11, 2020, 03:32:35 PM »
elaine amj, i don’t mean to pile on, but I might seriously reconsider your Disney trip given your and your husband´s health issues.

My family is young and healthy. We are cancelling a driving trip from NorCal to SoCal next month. Had briefly entertained going to Disney, but no. For me, I’m less worried about getting sick and more worried about quarantine, getting stuck, or being an inadvertent vector.

Our local academic hospital is on the verge of canceling all elective procedures. Private schools are closing. I wouldn’t be surprised if public schools follow suit soon. I think social distancing is about to be in full force.

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« Reply #103 on: March 11, 2020, 04:08:02 PM »
I see rumblings of restricting "non-essential" travel from Europe.  Does that mean you could get stranded if you are there and want to come home?

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« Reply #104 on: March 11, 2020, 04:10:42 PM »
I see rumblings of restricting "non-essential" travel from Europe.  Does that mean you could get stranded if you are there and want to come home?

I am seeing the same thing. It seems possible, then, that one could get stranded in Europe.

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« Reply #105 on: March 11, 2020, 04:12:13 PM »
I have nothing good to say about choosing to go to Disney right now, so I won't say it, I suppose.  (But that's sort of saying it, isn't it?)

Also, today is 3/11 the Anniversary of the Great Tohoku Quake.  Why do I bring that up?  Well, I was living in Japan at that time and it's always a sort of somber day for me.  But I will always marvel at the way the Japanese people behaved in the face fo this crisis.  Even when bottled water need wasn't entirely irrational, they did not horde.  People purchased a few bottles--only what they needed--and left some for neighbors.

My husband flew supplies into absolutely devastated areas and when he landed, they offered *him* support and water. 

And people did what they were told.  If they were asked to stay home, they did.  If they were asked to turn off their air condition and avoid using lights, they did, even months later. 

We could learn a great deal from the selflessness and gracious, calm dignity I saw in that time, and much of that applies directly to where we are today.

Does missing a soccer match or a theme park or a St. Patrick's day parade really mean much in the grand scheme of life?  Even (relatively) young and (fairly) healthy, I'm avoiding stuff like that, not for my sake, but for my community.  I don't want to be partly responsible for someone else's death, and I don't want to be in a situation where I actually need medical care (for Corona or something else) and can't get it because there system is full and broken. 

If it all comes to nothing, as some people still think it will?  Well, you've missed a parade and a chance to hug Mickey Mouse.  Social distancing is like car insurance.  You probably won't need it.  It's probably a waste.  But when it isn't, it makes all the difference. 

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« Reply #106 on: March 11, 2020, 04:21:48 PM »
I see rumblings of restricting "non-essential" travel from Europe.  Does that mean you could get stranded if you are there and want to come home?

I was in China when it was placed on the “no non-essential travel” list. Your country will probably still let you back in, and you’ll probably be routed all over the place and take multiple flights before you arrive back in your home country, at which point of time you may be placed under voluntary or mandatory quarantine.

My take is that there is no need to put yourself at risk for such an ordeal just to go on vacation. Having said that, we just booked flights to China for next week. Flights are actually not that cheap. We would not be flying except our companies are requiring us to go back to work.

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« Reply #107 on: March 11, 2020, 04:49:06 PM »
No. We're also going to Europe next month. The plan is London and a couple spots in France over 2 weeks. Even with Brexit, the Paris strikes and now Corona I'm still planning on going. Hopefully things will just be less crowded.

Well, what a difference a few weeks has made. We cancelled our trip last week. I'm looking at $8K lost to non-refundable tickets/reservations/etc. This has been a painful lesson in the risks of non-refundable tickets. Trip insurance likely won't payout because we haven't technically hit any of the trigger points outlined in their terms, despite the fact the WHO has now declared a pandemic. Frankly, I don't care about the lost money that much anymore.

There's no way I want to risk catching this virus. Even people who get "mild" symptoms are reporting that they feel terrible. Add in the fact I have asthma and MIL (who is over 70 and has, or had, all the comorbid conditions) lives in our MIL suite and this is not something I want to mess with. I absolutely don't want to bring it home to her.

The number of cases in France is skyrocketing and they're only testing people who feel ill at this point. I suspect there's a lot more people walking around with it who don't feel that sick.

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« Reply #108 on: March 11, 2020, 05:00:36 PM »
I wouldn’t fly anywhere right now. The entire country of Italy is on a month quarantine. If you are over 65 they aren’t wasting a ventilator on you or reviving you if you code. Their hospitals are at 200% capacity.
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The whole country of Italy was put on lockdown, no nonessential movement, earlier this week.

As for the rest of it: https://www.thelocal.it/20200311/hospitals-are-overwhelmed-italian-doctors-describe-the-struggle-of-fighting-the-coronavirus-outbreak
Yes, it's dreadful there, but I didn't read anything in that article about just letting those over 65 die.

My pharmacist today was shaking her head at the "overreaction".  A PHARMACIST!  She said SARS was worse.  Yes, the disease was worse, but it was quickly contained and caused fewer than 1000 deaths worldwide.

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« Reply #109 on: March 11, 2020, 05:13:21 PM »
Interesting article from a European (Italian?) doctor regarding people traveling and generally not taking precautions because they're young and healthy.

https://www.newsweek.com/young-unafraid-coronavirus-pandemic-good-you-now-stop-killing-people-opinion-1491797?utm_source=GoogleNewsstandUS&utm_medium=Feed&utm_campaign=Partnerships

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #110 on: March 11, 2020, 07:52:55 PM »
Sooooo.....European travel ban in US for 30 days.  To prevent new cases, per Trump.  Good luck with that.  This needs to be paired with a lot more measures than just a 30 day travel ban to Europe to prevent new cases, given how easily it spreads.

My travel is not to Europe and is closer to 60 days out, but I need to make some decisions by this weekend, given a flight change option by my airline.

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« Reply #111 on: March 11, 2020, 10:37:14 PM »
If you do decide to travel anywhere, make sure to read the fine print on your health insurance.  Here in Australia, once a pandemic is declared BY THE INSURER (insurers here declared it January 23rd) you are not covered for health related conditions related to an epidemic/pandemic disease.

Not sure about other countries insurance....

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« Reply #112 on: March 12, 2020, 04:31:25 AM »
Due to the lock down in Italy, a planned trip Athens-Sicily to see my mom over Easter (and work on my house there) is canceled. Still currently planning on the original Hong Kong - Athens trip during that time however to do some paperwork and hour work. Keeping an eye on things. My company's health insurance covers me everywhere in the world (aside from the US) buy Athens's system isn't fantastic and could easily get overwhelmed depending on how things go.

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« Reply #113 on: March 12, 2020, 10:55:37 AM »
If you do decide to travel anywhere, make sure to read the fine print on your health insurance.  Here in Australia, once a pandemic is declared BY THE INSURER (insurers here declared it January 23rd) you are not covered for health related conditions related to an epidemic/pandemic disease.

Not sure about other countries insurance....

Who covers it then?  Or are you talking about for foreign visitors?

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #114 on: March 12, 2020, 11:12:28 AM »
The patient would be required to pay.

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« Reply #115 on: March 12, 2020, 02:36:42 PM »
You would be required to pay as you wouldn’t be covered.  We have a three month trip planned leaving May 31st for Europe and back to Canada for a visit which is now seriously in doubt due to loss of insurance coverage, unless this disease becomes endemic by that time and then we should be able to get coverage (but that is only if the insurance company defines it as endemic, NOT the WHO).  I think that is probably serious wishful thinking on my part..... ☹️

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« Reply #116 on: March 12, 2020, 02:45:26 PM »
Are you talking Australian citizens or foreign travelers in Australia?  Does that mean any Australians that get sick will be personally on the hook with no way to mitigate the risk of needing some really expensive treatment?

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #117 on: March 12, 2020, 02:48:23 PM »
Going to Japan in 3 months. Not worried. Positively excited about the prospect of having fewer self-stick wielding visitors to compete with.
Quoting myself a month later. Still going to Japan unless a government tells me I cannot.

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« Reply #118 on: March 12, 2020, 02:48:39 PM »
Got the email today that we can cancel our trip to reschedule it any time in 2020. We have until about a month from now to cancel, I plan on calling next week.

Ugh, this is the third trip I've had to cancel in 3 years. The powers that be don't want me to travel apparently.

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #119 on: March 12, 2020, 03:05:44 PM »
Wife and I are cancelling a trip to Panama March 15-28. Mother in law retired there and we were going to visit during Spring Break (wife is teacher). We will lose about $1k in nonrefundable airfare and hotels. Small price to pay in my opinion. I don't want to be a spreader of the virus or, of course, die.

I'm also FIREd and very heavy on stocks so this has been just a great week.

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« Reply #120 on: March 12, 2020, 03:32:18 PM »
Going to Japan in 3 months. Not worried. Positively excited about the prospect of having fewer self-stick wielding visitors to compete with.
Quoting myself a month later. Still going to Japan unless a government tells me I cannot.

Make sure you won’t be put under mandatory 14-day quarantine when you arrive. Otherwise, you definitely won’t be battling selfie-stick wielding tourists, but probably not in the way you expected.

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« Reply #121 on: March 12, 2020, 04:05:56 PM »
My SIL was in NC last weekend and flew back to WI on Tuesday.  She was told on arrival that if she came from a state with more than 10 confirmed cases of COVID-19, she would be requested to self isolate for 14 days.  That day, NC only had 7.  Now there are 12.  Wait, it just went up to 15.

I'm booked on a Viking River cruise on May 4th.  They just cancelled all cruises until April 30th.  I personally hope they extend the cancellations, but my 84 year old mother, with her devil may care attitude, still wants to go. 

She's the one who insisted our entire extended family take the last flight into St. Maarten before hurricane Dean brushed by in 1989, she and Dad survived a SE Asia cruise during SARS in 2003, she and she went skydiving on her 80th birthday.  You see what I'm up against...


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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #122 on: March 12, 2020, 04:06:52 PM »
Going to Japan in 3 months. Not worried. Positively excited about the prospect of having fewer self-stick wielding visitors to compete with.
Quoting myself a month later. Still going to Japan unless a government tells me I cannot.

Make sure you won’t be put under mandatory 14-day quarantine when you arrive. Otherwise, you definitely won’t be battling selfie-stick wielding tourists, but probably not in the way you expected.

Double check the places you're going to as well.  There have been a lot of closures in Japan of tourist attractions.


https://www.timeout.com/tokyo/things-to-do/attractions-in-tokyo-and-japan-that-are-closed-due-to-covid-19-coronavirus
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« Reply #123 on: March 12, 2020, 04:32:18 PM »
Are you talking Australian citizens or foreign travelers in Australia?  Does that mean any Australians that get sick will be personally on the hook with no way to mitigate the risk of needing some really expensive treatment?

We are dual Australian/Canadian citizens who live in Australia and want travel/health insurance for travelling overseas.  Australian insurance providers do not cover epidemics/pandemics. I have no idea if this is the case for people from other countries if they travel overseas (as far as if their travel insurance covers epidemics/pandemics).  I just thought it would be good to put it out there to make sure people read through all the pages of fine print so that a person doesn't get caught out :-)

So yes if you are an Australian who is travelling overseas and you get sick from Covid-19, you will not be covered for treatment.  One exception to this may be if you happen to be in a country that has a reciprocal health agreement with Australia.  However, that doesn't mean that all your treatment would necessarily be covered in that country.  So it definitely pays to check with the relevant authorities/travel insurance provider before you travel anywhere. :-)

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« Reply #124 on: March 13, 2020, 07:51:08 AM »
Yes. We have a European trip scheduled: 4/29/2020 to Barcelona, 5/5 cruise Mediterranean ports to Rome 5/12, fly Alitalia to Sicily, Road Scholars tour until 5/22, fly Alitalia to Rome, Rome to TX. We're 72 & will not take the risk of quarantine on a cruise ship or stuck trying to get home, & don't want to go anywhere only to find everything closed.

Seabourn (cruise) has already offered to credit our fully paid cruise to any other in 2020 or 2021; the issue here is how far out to go. Road Scholars has cancelled its trips for April, no word on May yet. RS is offering transfer privileges for those who pay their trip protection fee but we're hoping to avoid that. Our flights to/from Europe were purchased with miles, so we can reinstate them; still need to see if those fees will be waived. Alitalia is non-refundable but cost us $300; we'll ask about rescheduling. We have trip insurance for medical treatment/evacuation but not "cancel for any reason" -- I'm hoping it can be rescheduled since we won't be using it.

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #125 on: March 13, 2020, 09:02:55 AM »
The decision was made for me.  I was supposed to be on a river cruise in France at the end of the month. Got an email yesterday that all cruises are cancelled until the end of April. They offered full credit to reschedule at a later date. Air France is also waiving change fees to reschedule to a later date. I just hope they can survive suspending operations for a month and a half. If they go tits up, I'll loose $6K on the cruise and another $2k on airfare.  Have to see if travel insurance covers bankruptcy.

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« Reply #126 on: March 13, 2020, 10:23:16 AM »
My SIL was in NC last weekend and flew back to WI on Tuesday.  She was told on arrival that if she came from a state with more than 10 confirmed cases of COVID-19, she would be requested to self isolate for 14 days.  That day, NC only had 7.  Now there are 12.  Wait, it just went up to 15.

I'm booked on a Viking River cruise on May 4th.  They just cancelled all cruises until April 30th.  I personally hope they extend the cancellations, but my 84 year old mother, with her devil may care attitude, still wants to go. 

She's the one who insisted our entire extended family take the last flight into St. Maarten before hurricane Dean brushed by in 1989, she and Dad survived a SE Asia cruise during SARS in 2003, she and she went skydiving on her 80th birthday.  You see what I'm up against...

Your mother is an adult and can make her own decisions, as well as live with the consequences. You are also an adult and are responsible for making decisions for yourself. If you think it wise to cancel the trip for yourself, do so. She can feel however she wants about it, and make whatever decisions she wants.

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #127 on: March 13, 2020, 10:30:04 AM »
Not overseas, but we had travel planned to NYC for the end of the month, but everything is closed so will be cancelling.


We have another trip planned at the start of April during our original spring break to a cabin in Gatlinburg, still debating that one.

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« Reply #128 on: March 13, 2020, 12:02:54 PM »
The decision was made for me.  I was supposed to be on a river cruise in France at the end of the month. Got an email yesterday that all cruises are cancelled until the end of April. They offered full credit to reschedule at a later date. Air France is also waiving change fees to reschedule to a later date. I just hope they can survive suspending operations for a month and a half. If they go tits up, I'll loose $6K on the cruise and another $2k on airfare.  Have to see if travel insurance covers bankruptcy.

Your travel insurance may not cover bankruptcy, but the cc your bought the flights with may.

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« Reply #129 on: March 13, 2020, 12:17:51 PM »
I was planning on taking a vacation to NYC this summer to burn some points, but I'm putting that on hold until things stabilize. Oh well, just have to go camping or something more solitary and local.

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« Reply #130 on: March 13, 2020, 01:19:55 PM »
Our planned trip to the States in July has been pushed back till end of the year. G's school tip to Europe was cancelled and we are waiting to see if his Iceland trip in April will need to be postponed. As of Wednesday they were still planning on it. It may be that our Monster Year of Travel turns into 2 trips to NZ.

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« Reply #131 on: March 14, 2020, 05:22:42 PM »
Well, I was due to pay the balance today of my food tour during my planned trip to the Caucasus in May.  The company has a very fair policy of allowing me to cancel and keep all funds paid on credit for another trip within 2 years, and they have many options, so I felt comfortable with that. 

Then I went on their site to pay and found out they moved my balance due to 19 Apr.  Great!  They've already cancelled all trips through Apr 30, so my trip (staring 9 days later) could very well be canceled, but I'm happy not to have to pay out anymore cash to them now, even if I wouldn't lose it.

At this point, I'm waiting on the airline to cancel the flight and will be waiting for probably at least a month.  They only have flights cancelled at this point through Apr 1 to select countries.

They are offering flexible changes for travellers though.  Currently, the website says they have no change fee for a flight taking place before May 31, 2020, so long as the new ticket is for a flight taking place before May 31, 2020, which....I'm hoping is a mistake or language translation issue?  Because I don't see how that makes any sense?

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« Reply #132 on: March 15, 2020, 03:17:51 PM »
I was planning on taking a vacation to NYC this summer to burn some points, but I'm putting that on hold until things stabilize. Oh well, just have to go camping or something more solitary and local.
Yesterday I switched our plans to road trip it to a quiet cottage a few hours away planning to hunker down. This morning, we cancelled, eating a small fee. Finally felt like it was more responsible to just stay home - no matter how disappointed we are.

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« Reply #133 on: March 20, 2020, 08:56:41 AM »
Just 10 days+/- into social distancing and only a couple days into shelter in place for a fraction of people in the US and I'm already seeing talk by commentators and thought leaders of "how long can we do this?!!?" "well, 3 weeks is one thing, but humans weren't made to live like this!" "Our economy may not recover" "there are costs to going through another Depression just like going through another Spanish Flu" and "a year or 18 months of this would be a massive transfer of resources and wealth from the younger generation to the older generations."

So, I'm guessing the social isolating and sheltering in place may not last as long as I was guessing (which was another month or so, with some estimates saying we'd need to do it, at least off and on, for a year or 18 months).  What's everyone here thinking?  When will we all be traveling again like nothing's changed?

I actually hope not till late May or June.  I no longer want to go on my trip to the Caucasus in early May, but really would like the airline to cancel the flight so I can get a full refund.  They've cancelled all flights to Georgia through April 1 at this time.

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« Reply #134 on: March 20, 2020, 09:55:56 AM »
^Maybe by fall would be my guess. I think kids will likely go back to school then.and jobs resume to a somewhat normal pace. But it's kind of like trying to time the market and so who really knows! We are in lock down here in SoCal and almost everything is closed.

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« Reply #135 on: March 20, 2020, 10:39:03 AM »
In Shanghai, everything shut down for about six weeks and are just now starting to ramp up again. Social distancing continues to be recommended and nothing is back to normal, but I think the government realizes that businesses have to start producing again. There is a rumor that high schools are reopening 4/6, so high schools were closed for around ten weeks from start to finish.  No word on when elementary schools and preschools are reopening.
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« Reply #136 on: March 20, 2020, 10:54:04 AM »
In Shanghai, everything shut down for about six weeks and are just now starting to ramp up again. Social distancing continues to be recommended and nothing is back to normal, but I think the government realizes that businesses have to start producing again. There is a rumor that high schools are reopening 4/6, so high schools were closed for around ten weeks from start to finish.  No word on when elementary schools and preschools are reopening.
That's great to hear. I've been hoping someone from China would tell us how things are going. In the end I hope this is all just a small blip on the radar. At least financially.

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #137 on: March 20, 2020, 11:04:01 AM »
I'm not even trying to guess right now. Mentally preparing ourselves for 1-2 months and will see what happens next. Good to see China waking up again.

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« Reply #138 on: March 20, 2020, 11:18:10 AM »
In Shanghai, everything shut down for about six weeks and are just now starting to ramp up again. Social distancing continues to be recommended and nothing is back to normal, but I think the government realizes that businesses have to start producing again. There is a rumor that high schools are reopening 4/6, so high schools were closed for around ten weeks from start to finish.  No word on when elementary schools and preschools are reopening.

Good to hear.  I know we are all sort of bracing to see whether there will be a second flare up there once restrictions have been relaxed (like that model from Imperial College London shows happening).  Very best wishes as you all are leading the charge, effectively.

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« Reply #139 on: March 20, 2020, 01:38:26 PM »
I hate to add to any pessimism, but I've been reading a little about the 1918 flu pandemic.  It's a little unsettling that it hit in 3 waves.  There was a small wave in the spring, it subsided in the summer, then hit really hard with two big waves in the fall and winter.  It's kind of unsettling.  I hope that doesn't happen with this. 

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #140 on: March 20, 2020, 01:43:18 PM »
I hate to add to any pessimism, but I've been reading a little about the 1918 flu pandemic.  It's a little unsettling that it hit in 3 waves.  There was a small wave in the spring, it subsided in the summer, then hit really hard with two big waves in the fall and winter.  It's kind of unsettling.  I hope that doesn't happen with this.

Knowing that a flare up is a possibility, wise folks will keep their pantries and cupboards stocked up when times are good, so that they are prepared in case of a second or third flare up.

I usually buy toilet paper in bulk, and I know that I will place an order for TP as soon as we arrive in China and will keep up our stores of nonperishable goods and cleaning supplies for the next year or so, at least until a vaccine is developed.

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #141 on: March 20, 2020, 01:52:10 PM »
Knowing that a flare up is a possibility, wise folks will keep their pantries and cupboards stocked up when times are good, so that they are prepared in case of a second or third flare up.

I usually buy toilet paper in bulk, and I know that I will place an order for TP as soon as we arrive in China and will keep up our stores of nonperishable goods and cleaning supplies for the next year or so, at least until a vaccine is developed.

Honestly having well a well stocked pantry is just generally a good idea for emergency preparedness. 

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #142 on: March 20, 2020, 03:57:50 PM »
I hate to add to any pessimism, but I've been reading a little about the 1918 flu pandemic.  It's a little unsettling that it hit in 3 waves.  There was a small wave in the spring, it subsided in the summer, then hit really hard with two big waves in the fall and winter.  It's kind of unsettling.  I hope that doesn't happen with this.

My hope is that by late fall there will be the start of vaccine availability.  It will be educational/informative to see how this develops in southern hemisphere countries, especially the ones with severe winters, as they are going into winter now.

The other advantage is that the 1918 flu hit young adults hardest.  I have always known that, both my Dad's parents died in it, leaving 2 young children.  Young adults are getting sick this time around too, but they are most likely to recover, so the loss of the young adult workforce should not be as bad.

I hope there is also immunity after infection and recovery, my DD has it now.  It has totally hit her lungs and she has zero energy.  It would be nice to know she will be immune afterwards, but at this point no-one knows.

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #143 on: March 20, 2020, 04:24:26 PM »
I live in a Southern Hemisphere country, am a healthcare worker and am very concerned about how my country is handling this whole pandemic with regards to testing and controlling spread.  We have no lockdowns, no closed schools, stricter border control and some indoor and outdoor gathering limits, but we’ve been told by leaders to go to work as normal.  Last year our hospitals were overwhelmed just with seasonal flu (and it wasn’t an especially bad flu season) so my big fear is getting hit with both corona and flu at the same time. 

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #144 on: March 22, 2020, 12:14:08 AM »
Hong Kong is getting its second wave of infections - a fraction of many US and European cities, but a concern since we've worked so hard to keep things under control here. The new cases are mostly from people returning from western countries bringing the virus with them. A number of the new cases have been linked to bars in the "foreigner district" (Lan Kwai Fong) and a wedding in a Western/foreigner beachside development that reminds me of the Stepford Wives (Discovery Bay). There's a lot of resentment against westerners who have cavalier attitudes about not wearing masks and who continue to go out and socialize as if nothing's wrong.

As of last night, schools (including mine) are now closed indefinitely in HK. There's a new 14-day quarantine for travel from everywhere  in the world aside from Mainland China, Macau and Taiwan.

Draconian but there's no way we want any part of what's coming the way of the US and European cities. Our generally useless govt and especially the people of Hong Kong learned from SARS.

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #145 on: April 16, 2020, 10:08:33 PM »
@expatartist curious about the latest with that second wave - how is it there now?

My flight to the Caucasus was (finally) cancelled and the airline is giving me bullshit about my ticket being non-refundable so they are only offering me a voucher...which apparently has to be used on the exact same itinerary within the same year.  I sent them back a link to the USDOT enforcement notice advising them that I looked forward to my refund.  But we'll see.  Those companies all too often get away with screwing over individual passengers/customers.  I did tell them I was giving them a week before I filed a complaint with the USDOT but that I had already filed a dispute of the charge with my credit card company.  Hope one of these strategies works.  It was the first time ever I had decided to treat myself to business class airfare (lie flat seats) because I often miss two full nights of sleep when I'm traveling halfway around the world and it is so miserable.  So it's a LOT of money.  Very poor luck!

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #146 on: April 16, 2020, 10:16:07 PM »
Good luck!  I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.  We have been able (we think) to get a refund with Qatar Airways rather than a voucher.  But I'll believe it once the money lands in our account (pun intended...lol).

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #147 on: April 19, 2020, 02:52:43 PM »
Can't you just chargeback the trip on your credit card?

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #148 on: April 19, 2020, 04:38:17 PM »
Can't you just chargeback the trip on your credit card?

I'm not sure what that means? Is it another term for disputing the charge?  (I have done that.)

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Re: Anyone putting off overseas travel due to Corona virus?
« Reply #149 on: April 19, 2020, 05:05:43 PM »
Can't you just chargeback the trip on your credit card?

I'm not sure what that means? Is it another term for disputing the charge?  (I have done that.)

Yeah.  If I order something that isn't delivered, I can just tell my credit card company and they refund the money.  Then they go after the person who didn't deliver as promised.  Is that not true of credit cards everywhere?