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Anyone kept an outdoor cat?
« on: September 10, 2015, 08:39:20 AM »
I'm not a cat guy. At all. My wife and kids have wanted one for a long time. We had one before we had kids and it pissed everywhere and tore things up. I know not all cats do that, but it was a bad experience and our house is crazy enough without bringing a cat into the mix. So we've had a stray bobtail cat hanging around our house. Kids love it and have been feeding it, which obviously leads to it continuing to hang out. They are giving me major pressure to keep it, but I've held firm so far.

I'm considering compromising and making it an outdoor cat, building it a small shelter in the woods behind our house, and letting them take care of it outside. I've read up on the subject a little bit, and I realize it doesn't always go well.  I can already anticipate the pressure they will give me when it gets cold about letting it come inside this winter. If I can get them to agree that it is an outdoor cat exclusively, I might let it happen.  Thoughts or experiences with this?? 

I really can't believe that I am even spending the time thinking about it. haha.

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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2015, 08:52:16 AM »
Things you should know about outdoor cats:

Sometimes they leave and never come back... They either get sick, fatally wounded, hit by a car, adopted by someone else, shot by a hunter - whatever, and you will possibly never know what happened. If you do move forward with taking ownership of this cat it is best that your kids understand the implications of kitty freedom.

Also, you should know that the cat may already have an owner. Cats play this game a lot. Ask around the neighborhood first. If no one claims it have it checked for a microchip when you bring it in for its shots.

Alternatively, you could bring the cat indoors under the condition that it uses the litter box not the rug. (Also, make sure litter is scooped daily.)

Good luck!

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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2015, 08:57:30 AM »
How cold does it get where you live?

Can you build it a shelter on a covered deck or allow it to go into a shed or garage? If that's the case, you can use a heating pad.

http://www.amazon.com/Manufacturing-Thermo-Kitty-Mocha-12-5-Inch-25-Inch/dp/B000S9M2U4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1441896908&sr=8-1&keywords=cat+heating+pad

Or you can come to terms with the fact that you'll cave after the first snowstorm. :)

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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2015, 09:00:43 AM »
Ha ha, just not having luck with animals are you?

Are you talking about really owning the cat or just putting food out? I think if you accept a permanent relationship with this cat that needs to include getting it shots and getting it fixed. Otherwise soon you'll have a feral cat colony in your backyard.

I would also strongly suggest putting a bell or one of those little bibs on it if it's yours to keep it from killing birds. I know, I know, I sound like a bleeding heart, but I read a couple articles about the harm outdoor cats can do to bird populations and was convinced. If you're feeding the thing it doesn't need to kill birds for food but it still will.

Mostly I would make sure you and your wife are on the same page. It seems like she got grouped in with the kids but presumably she has the same rights and responsibilities about what happens in the house (including keeping it piss-free) as you do.

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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2015, 09:08:44 AM »

Are you talking about really owning the cat or just putting food out? I think if you accept a permanent relationship with this cat that needs to include getting it shots and getting it fixed. Otherwise soon you'll have a feral cat colony in your backyard.



This part also helps with the whole "pissing everywhere" problem.  It's not a 100% fix, but it helps A LOT.

If you go back 21 years: I was not a cat guy.  Not at all.  I told my newish girl friend that.  She didn't approve of that one bit.  Two days later she had a cat.  It was a test and I passed.  I didn't get pissy.  It turns out that 21 years later... maybe I am a cat guy.  (There is one sleeping on my desk about a foot from my computer right now.)

Cats are subtle.  They're just not as easy to get to know as dogs.  But they're just smart as heck... and once you learn to read them a little, they're pretty darn affectionate.

Give kitty a chance.  Consider even letting him/her inside.  A daily-scooped litter box isn't that terrible (or you can build them a cat house like I did.)

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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2015, 09:15:53 AM »
I have never known anyone to successfully keep an outdoor cat.  They have either vanished or turned into indoor cats. 

For what it is worth, I've had two ex boyfriends who "hated" cats.  After living with my cats they now have their own cats even though they don't have me anymore.  So maybe you should say you aren't a cat guy yet.

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It will be fun for the kids.  Cats are easy.

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Re: Anyone kept an outdoor cat?
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2015, 09:20:20 AM »
A cat showed up at our house this spring.  It was on the thinner side, but not malnourished.  I forbade the feeding of it hoping he would go home, which lasted for a week or two, but somehow didn't stick.  He is one of the best natured cats I have ever seen and obviously someone's pet.  I asked several neighbors if it was theirs or if they knew who it belonged to.  No takers.  I took the cat down for a $17 rabies shot and the vet confirmed that he had been fixed.  We give it food and water.  My wife put the rabies tag on a collar and it jingles when it walks in an effort to protect wildlife (effectiveness is much debated) and identify the cat.  We had a neighbor feed it while it while we were on vacation.  I will get it another rabies shot when it is due.  He has a towel lined box on the porch.  I expect he will do just fine this winter (lows typically get down to single digits) as his coat is already thickening up, and our dog always managed fine growing up. Other than that he is on his own.  There are a few feral dogs in the neighborhood that have chased him onto the porch several times.  So far he has survived but is not the scrappiest of cats (hence his good nature).  Traffic on our road runs at 50 mph.  I fully expect his lifespan to be cut short, or for him to move on when we start taking our 3-4 week vacations post-FIRE, which will make me sad as I have grown quite fond of him. 

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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2015, 09:24:52 AM »
Please let him come in if he wants to. It can get awfully cold on a winter's night.

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Re: Anyone kept an outdoor cat?
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2015, 09:32:09 AM »
I've had outdoor cats, but won't be going out of my way to do so going forward.

We never intended to have any outside, but I'm a softy apparently and we started caring for a few ferals that hung out in our yard. All of them were fixed, and one we fully adopted, but just couldn't bring one in due to his inability to put his butt down in the litterbox (he would go in, but he would end up with pee everywhere so we had to rig a special box inside a rubbermaid container that he would climb into, but if he was in the house unsupervised, he might have gone in our actual indoor cat's normal litterbox and that would have been a mess).

So the one kitty we adopted was fixed, had his yearly checkups and shots, tested periodically to make sure he was okay to be around our indoor cat, and pretty much lived several hours a day in the house, and then slept outside unless it was really bad weather. He was brought in during hard freezes and thunderstorms and was perfectly fine in a closed off room with his own food/water and high sided litterbox and never made any sort of mess at all.

During regular cold weather, we had an insulated doghouse stuffed with old clothes and pillows, but a few other boxes and bins as well, and also had an electric blanket for them that was plugged in and used at night (pushed it into the cathouse, but also draped into some of the bins so there was an assortment of high sided warm spots for kitties to bunk down in), and unplugged each morning. It worked well for all of our cats over the years, but we also live down south where it doesn't get down to freezing too often.

We lost both of our cats this past July (after having them over 13 years). They lived mostly on our back porch in a wooden fenced backyard. Two neighborhood dogs decided that my cats were prey, tore up several planks of our fencing to get into our backyard, and attacked and killed the one cat, and then attacked and carried off the body of another cat we considered ours (she was a feral we could feed and provided shelter for, but she would not come close to let us touch her). During the attack - which were were not aware of at the time as we thought it was just dogs somehow broke into our yard and I went out with a broom to chase them off - I was either scratched or bitten by the lead dog. We thought our cats were up a tree or got away but we discovered our one cat's body while walking the fenceline, and found out about the feral cat that next day. We were pretty heartbroken, and despite filing both a police report and one with animal control, there is absolutely nothing we can do about the property damage and loss of our pets as they couldn't track down the animals. I just hope they don't decide to escape and break into someone else's back yard to go after a small toddler since they are so vicious, but I guess they're on record anyway at this point... so definitely something else to realize. Cats can easily get killed outside, and that's something you'll have to explain to the kids if you have an outdoor cat and something happens. They can get injured more easily too, so the vet bills might be higher as well.



In any case... most cats do not tear stuff up if provided with scratching posts or have litterbox issues. Most of them are pretty neat creatures. Definitely get any animal neutered if you adopt because it's the right thing to do besides having benefits of them not marking territory and making them less aggressive.

And also, please don't adopt an animal if you're not 100% committed to caring for them for their life. Many people consider animals as disposable or decorative and get rid of them after a year or two because they don't want to take care of them any more and that is so very wrong. I get that sometimes circumstances beyond your control might crop up, but they are living breathing creatures that come to love and depend on you and you and your wife should go into this committed to taking care of kitty for their lifetime.
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Re: Anyone kept an outdoor cat?
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2015, 09:35:01 AM »
We never intended to have any outside, just couldn't bring one in due to his inability to put his butt down in the litterbox (he would go in, but he would end up with pee everywhere so we had to rig a special box inside a rubbermaid container that he would climb into, but if he was in the house unsupervised, he might have gone in our actual indoor cat's normal litterbox and that would have been a mess).

We actually have used a large rubbermaid container as the actual litterbox for years.  Just cut a kitty sized hole in one end.   We've had several cats that didn't get the tail down peeing... and this pretty much fixes that. 

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Re: Anyone kept an outdoor cat?
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2015, 09:41:02 AM »
My mother-in-law had cats and scratching posts, and the cats still destroyed couches and chairs. I wouldn't be able to deal with that. Let's talk about the annual costs of owning a cat. What am I looking at here?

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Re: Anyone kept an outdoor cat?
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2015, 09:42:33 AM »
Some good advice here:

I think if you accept a permanent relationship with this cat that needs to include getting it shots and getting it fixed. Otherwise soon you'll have a feral cat colony in your backyard.
I would also strongly suggest putting a bell or one of those little bibs on it if it's yours to keep it from killing birds.

+1 -- our cat was indoor / outdoor until we learned about how they wreck the bird population.  Plus, he was real dumb around cars.

I have never known anyone to successfully keep an outdoor cat.  They have either vanished or turned into indoor cats.

My experience -- stray showed up, outdoor for a while, then indoor/outdoor.  Forget not being a cat person, I'm not a pet person.  Now, he's totally indoor, and I'm a fan of the little guy.

Some ideas -- we keep the litterbox on our screen porch, which is basically his catio.  I scoop it daily, and it's no big deal.  We use a nice deep litterbox which keeps him from missing.  I'm a big fan of the litter genie, too.  Having him sleep on the catio also keeps him out of our bed / prevents him from waking us up.

We have a couple scratching posts (we got fancy ones from Drs Foster and Smith) that have lasted 4 years (and counting).  He initially scratched the couch, but we used double sided tape and that stopped.  We haven't had tape there for 3 years.  The only thing he continues to scratch is the weatherstripping on his catio door.  I'll replace it when we move.

(or you can build them a cat house like I did.)
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« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2015, 09:47:22 AM »
Every moment I feel like I might cave in, I need to read this article. I've already read it 3 times this week. haha.

 Whether you agree with him or not, it is a really funny article on why you shouldn't buy your kids a cat:

https://talkaboutyork.wordpress.com/2013/07/24/ten-reasons-you-dont-want-to-get-your-kids-a-pet-especially-a-cat/

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Re: Anyone kept an outdoor cat?
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2015, 09:54:33 AM »
Let's talk about the annual costs of owning a cat. What am I looking at here?

So far, all I am out is food, 2 collars ( he destroyed the first one scratching at it), and a rabies shot.  I'll probably come in around $100 for the year.  Additional vetting, special food, flea treatments, etc. all run the cost up very quickly.

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« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2015, 10:00:45 AM »
I have cousins who do it. One family has a bunch of farm cats. They live in the barn at night, never come in. They're there for rodent control. Really aren't pets, which is fine since cats are perfectly capable and self sufficient.

The other lives on a bit of land, but still in a neighborhood area--actually on a golf course. The cats are allowed in the garage and in the screened in porch. Litterbox in the garage; not sure how much they use it since they have the whole outdoors to use.

I like the idea of a shed for the cats. I can't have them inside, my eyes would never stop itching. Besides that, I've almost never been in a house and not known that it had a cat almost immediately upon walking through the door--I can smell the urine. I'm probably oversensative to it, but there has only been one house that I'm aware of that I was in and not known that it had a cat--and these were the most antiseptic, sterile people in the world who I'm sure cleaned the litter box at least daily, and on top of that had a cleaning lady in twice a week.

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« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2015, 10:07:29 AM »
I can't have them inside, my eyes would never stop itching.

I'm the same way.  But I've found I adapt.  The first 2 weeks or so really sucks.  But about week 3 my body goes "oh, that's not something I need to fight" and it just stops.  A new cat comes in (and about 1 in 20 dogs)... and it starts over.  I'm not saying you'd be the same.  But you might be.

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« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2015, 10:34:30 AM »
We had indoor/outdoor cats as a kid when I was growing up, and one myself as an adult.  I'm a horse person, and pretty much every barn I've ever been at has had one or more cats, which are generally 100% outside of (human) habitation, but of course have access to the same shelter(s) the horses do, and more (given their smaller size and ability to squeeze in places the horses cannot). 

Would an indoor/outdoor cat be an option for you?  Our cats never used litter boxes except in extreme circumstances (e.g. illness); clearly this cat is used to being outside (so may not be a good candidate for 100% indoor living regardless of your preferences), and if you live in a reasonably safe (car-wise) area, could live a long and healthy life.  Of course if s/he has been strictly outdoors, may not be housetrained, so you may need either to train or to provide an outdoor-type area (e.g. screen porch) where s/he can be "indoors".  No idea where you live, but in the climate where I live that works totally fine.

(Of course it is traditional for indoor/outdoor cats that when they are indoors, they want to be outdoors, and vice versa.  But maybe your kids can man the gates!)

Our cats have (mostly) been pretty inexpensive (think a few $100 per year) -- eat dry cat food and need to fixed + vaccinated.  The exceptions (the "mostly" part) have been cats who got injured -- basically from fighting, much less likely if the cat is fixed, and if he/she is currently living peacefully in the neighborhood that would suggest a stable territory with room for him/her, rather than a place where s/he is perceived as a threat or interloper (by other cats).  Illness can also be a problem but vaccines will prevent many of those.

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Re: Anyone kept an outdoor cat?
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2015, 12:13:44 PM »
I think it's incredibly gross having pet hair of any sort all over my stuff and in my bed.  Just so nasty.

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« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2015, 01:04:48 PM »
I think it's incredibly gross having pet hair of any sort all over my stuff and in my bed.  Just so nasty.

Well, being a mouse probably makes you a pretty biased party..... :)   

In all seriousness, I just learned that our city has an ordinance prohibiting outdoor cats.  I don't know if that gets me off the hook or closer to having an indoor cat. Ugh...   I just want this issue to go away.

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« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2015, 01:29:10 PM »
Outdoor cats do not do well.  Realize that it's not much of a favor to the cat.  If you don't want to let it in, the humane thing to do is to find a no-kill or low-kill animal shelter and take it there.  There's a reason cats have not established themselves as successful feral animals in North American, not dependent on humans.  They are not adapted for this climate or these conditions. 

That said, if you want to keep this cat, you need to get it vaccinated, or it can come down with some very horrible diseases.  Not transmittable to humans, but the cat will die in agony.  Obviously you need to get it neutered, or you will soon have dozens more cats around.  Don't think "Oh, there aren't any other unfixed cats nearby."  The unfixed cats go miles in search of another cat.  They will find your cat.

What kind of a climate do you live in?  If it's someplace like Colorado, you are doing a major disservice, even a cruelty, to keep the cat outdoors.  Barn cats are one thing — they have a barn.  If you live in a more moderate climate, you need to set up a small shelter (small so the cat's body heat will heat it up), and fill it not with a blanket but with a lot of hay.  The key is that the cat needs to be able to burrow under the covering.  Think of being outside at night with a blanket or heater — but you can only lie on top of them, not under them.  You will see how cold you would get and understand the problem.  So you need something the cat can get under, and that will not suffer from being damp.  Hay is the recommended solution, with the bonus that as hay decays, it generates a little bit of heat on its own.

But really I urge you to consider letting the cat in.  You can install a catdoor so it can go out at will, eliminating the need for litterboxes.  Yes, sometimes they do scratch up the upholstery.  They are like kids, in that if you want a picture-perfect house, you don't let anyone in it but a finicky adult.  But they are like kids in that they repay your effort with more joy in your life.  Consider giving it a try. 

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« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2015, 01:32:06 PM »
We have in/out cats.  We have a real problem trying to keep them indoors once they've had a taste of "the big blue room". They come in when they want (they each have distinctive "knocks"), they eat, they get lap time, they go out when they want.  In other words, we're well trained.

Double sided sticky tape discourages scratching (and so does a squirt bottle, if you catch them in the act), while a sisal post encourages it in the right spots.  Trimming their nails also helps (gotta know what you're doing, though).  Good quality food - cats are not self sufficient foodwise, but they are pretty good at keeping themselves up.  Cats seem to know what a litter box is for (never had to train one)  And never give a cat a bath unless you're wearing leather gauntlets.

We shut the bedroom door at night - no cats on the bed.  We keep a blanket on top of the back of the sofa and encourage them to sleep there in the sunny window.  But we're cat people...


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« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2015, 01:53:45 PM »
And declawing a cat can be seen as really inhumane, right?  I do find this interesting considering that the HUMANE SOCIETY performs declawing. My work colleague also made a good point. He said that thinking about letting the cat live outdoors during our harsh winters is more inhumane than removing the cat's front claws. I'm no where near going through with any of this cat business. Just trying to become more informed on all of the stuff involved. 
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« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2015, 01:58:35 PM »
One of my friends kept several outdoor cats around at the place (basically a small cabin) he and his family lived in which was in a more remotely secluded area surrounded by mountains, trees and brush. He would refill the food bowl often to keep them around, but they'd either wander off and get lost, eaten by coyotes or mountain lions, or hit by cars. There seemed to be several 'outdoor' cats in the area and one or two dominant males who would constantly impregnate the females. Anyway, my friend ended up going through probably a dozen or so cats during the several years they lived there. He said they were actually good to have around to control rodents and also rattlesnakes, especially. He had two kids back then so rattlesnakes was a pretty grave concern where they lived.
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« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2015, 02:06:03 PM »
I live with a family that keeps 2 cats that are free to roam in and out of the house; one is an even mix of in and outdoors, while the other is almost exclusively outdoors. The outdoors one only comes in for food, which isn't very often, and I sometimes don't see him for weeks at a time. I can hear them fighting with something outside sometimes, and they do come back with injuries from time to time, but it never seems to faze them.

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« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2015, 02:07:10 PM »
Not currently a cat owner, but do have a lot of experience with them.  A few points:

1.  When cats piss in the house, it's because it's a horny male marking his territory (remedy:  get him/her fixed), or not litter trained (easy to do), or litterbox not clean (lazy owner).  They don't like to poop/piss in the house and are actually fanatics about doing IT in a reasonably clean litterbox.

2.  If you want a freindly outgoing cat that behaves more like a dog, you need to bond with him/her.  You bond by playing with it.  Play with string, wrestle with it, throw a fake mouse around, whatever.   Do that enough and the cat really bonds.

3.  Vets will tell you:  Don't let the cat outside.  Too many diseases, bugs, whatever.

As another blogger pointed out:  You can't be sure someone doesn't own that cat.


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« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2015, 02:10:31 PM »
And declawing a cat can be seen as really inhumane, right?  I do find this interesting considering that the HUMANE SOCIETY performs declawing. My work colleague also made a good point. He said that thinking about letting the cat live outdoors during our harsh winters is more inhumane than removing the cat's front claws. I'm no where near going through with any of this cat business. Just trying to become more informed on all of the stuff involved.

We used to declaw.  Then we had one that DID NOT GO WELL.  It took her weeks to heal and she never really healed right.  Following that, I had a moment of introspection.  Did I want to cut the cat's fingers off at the knuckle and risk another bad outcome?  Or did I just want furniture I wasn't so picky about.  The wife and I decided we were cat people and perfect furniture just didn't fit in with us.  Once we accepted it, it was just not a big deal.  (We still try to discourage improper clawing... but we just don't stress over it.)

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« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2015, 02:58:05 PM »
And declawing a cat can be seen as really inhumane, right?  I do find this interesting considering that the HUMANE SOCIETY performs declawing. My work colleague also made a good point. He said that thinking about letting the cat live outdoors during our harsh winters is more inhumane than removing the cat's front claws. I'm no where near going through with any of this cat business. Just trying to become more informed on all of the stuff involved.

Our cat has never been declawed and is an indoor cat. She is scratching-post trained and generally that's that. I can't think of anything she has destroyed with her claws. She did recently take the chewing the carpet on the stairs, but I got this spray stuff that seems to have worked.

But occasionally it can be the right answer. For instance, my parents declawed their older cat when she stopped going outside as often and started scratching the furniture, because it was that or get rid of her.

I would NEVER have an outdoor cat. I think that they are a menace as well as an accident waiting to happen. (My sister tried it and the cat was run over by a car within a month or two--her kids saw its mashed body on the road.) Also, I have congenital toxoplasmosis that my mom picked up from an outdoor cat. (Indoor cats are much less likely to be infected because they don't eat raw wild animals and whatnot.) Fortunately, my case it's mild. But it makes me really angry toward every outdoor cat that has ever pooped in the mulch under my kids' swing set. I love my indoor cat. I wish death to all outdoor cats. (OK, only when I am actually cleaning up the poop do I feel quite that extreme.)

You're in a tough position that I do not envy. Sending sympathy in your general direction!

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« Reply #27 on: September 10, 2015, 03:22:10 PM »
I'll also add that, the cat has wiped out the rabbits, skinks, lizards, and frogs.  Whereas the rabbits are pests, skinks lizards and frogs are pest consumers, so I am not quite sure what the net effect will be on my garden going forward.

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Re: Anyone kept an outdoor cat?
« Reply #28 on: September 10, 2015, 05:10:54 PM »
I'm not a cat guy. At all. My wife and kids have wanted one for a long time. We had one before we had kids and it pissed everywhere and tore things up. I know not all cats do that, but it was a bad experience and our house is crazy enough without bringing a cat into the mix. So we've had a stray bobtail cat hanging around our house. Kids love it and have been feeding it, which obviously leads to it continuing to hang out. They are giving me major pressure to keep it, but I've held firm so far.

I'm considering compromising and making it an outdoor cat, building it a small shelter in the woods behind our house, and letting them take care of it outside. I've read up on the subject a little bit, and I realize it doesn't always go well.  I can already anticipate the pressure they will give me when it gets cold about letting it come inside this winter. If I can get them to agree that it is an outdoor cat exclusively, I might let it happen.  Thoughts or experiences with this?? 

I really can't believe that I am even spending the time thinking about it. haha.

You don't have to make it an outdoor cat. Just install a cat door and let it come and go. I hate smelling and cleaning litter so we compromised and my husband installed a cat door. It was the best thing for us and the cat but not so good for the neighborhood birds. We are happy and the cats is happy. He comes in whenever he needs to sleep, eat or nap. He is always there to greet us in front of the house when we come home and does not settle down in doors for the night unless the last person comes home.

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Re: Anyone kept an outdoor cat?
« Reply #29 on: September 10, 2015, 05:54:47 PM »
General consensus is that declawing is inhumane. It is in the same category as ear and tail docking for dogs. The closest thing I could liken it to in the human world would be female genital modification.  Meaning, it is a medically unnecessary procedure done for aesthetics or cultural preference, often resulting in harm to the modified creature.  My childhood cats were declawed because it was more accepted back then. As an adult, I do not declaw our cats. You can prevent a lot of damage from clawing if you provide sufficient scratching surfaces and discourage the animal from clawing at furniture. However, in my experience, even with well trained animals you always have to prepare yourself for some level of chewing/scratching of rugs, furniture, etc.

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Re: Anyone kept an outdoor cat?
« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2015, 08:07:03 PM »
And declawing a cat can be seen as really inhumane, right?  I do find this interesting considering that the HUMANE SOCIETY performs declawing.

I wonder if their reasoning is that it's better to have the cat declawed if that's the difference between an owner keeping it and turning it in to be (most likely) euthanized.

General consensus is that declawing is inhumane. It is in the same category as ear and tail docking for dogs.

To be fair, dogs that work with large livestock have their tails docked for a an actual reason. It keeps the stock from picking the dog up by its tail and slamming it against the nearest surface.


I've also noticed that cats piss out of resentment. Cats that get yelled at or feel overwhelmed by pet dogs have been more likely to piss outside the litterbox in my experience. Then there's old incontinent cats.

I would say that you can make the cat not clawing or pissing a condition of its staying and I think you can sell this by saying you'll get another cat until you find one that works. Some cats are more or less inclined towards certain behaviors. This might sound callous to some, but in most places there are so many cats in the shelters that you can try out a few until you find what you like. Get an adult cat, not a kitten, they'll usually be more settled.

One other note is one experience I had with roommates who clipped the cats' nails and didn't have issues with clawing. Perhaps the cats just weren't naturally inclined toward it, but it's worth trying. They just clipped off the pointy bits (don't cut all the way down! The quick extends past the paw and it'll really hurt, like if you cut off part of your cuticle) and human nail clippers worked fine (in fact I found the one cat was quite comfortable with my doing it to him whenever I clipped my own nails like mommy & me day spa).

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Re: Anyone kept an outdoor cat?
« Reply #31 on: September 11, 2015, 07:00:27 AM »
And declawing a cat can be seen as really inhumane, right?  I do find this interesting considering that the HUMANE SOCIETY performs declawing.

I wonder if their reasoning is that it's better to have the cat declawed if that's the difference between an owner keeping it and turning it in to be (most likely) euthanized.


This is what I always thought. We wouldn't have had cats all these years if we had to worry about scratching furniture. I'm guessing that the vast majority of homeowners are like us, so if they didn't declaw, there would be no homes for cats.

Even without claws in the front, they mess up our furniture by their paying in the same place.

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Re: Anyone kept an outdoor cat?
« Reply #32 on: September 11, 2015, 07:50:30 AM »
Certainly the vast majority of cat owners do NOT declaw. 

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Anyone kept an outdoor cat?
« Reply #33 on: September 11, 2015, 09:58:26 AM »
We found an unusual solution to the scratching problem. First, we cut their claws ourselves, once a month. It takes two people and they are NOT HAPPY, but their claws don't get caught in things. Second, we have an inexpensive hooked rug in the bedroom that they use as a scratch pad. The rug has been there more than a year and has held up remarkably well.

On the declaw front - we had our first cat declawed and it really changed her personality. She went from being happy-go-lucky to being fearful and introverted. Well, of course she did. We took away her ability to defend herself. We decided to never do this again.

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Re: Anyone kept an outdoor cat?
« Reply #34 on: September 11, 2015, 10:36:32 AM »
Another simple solution to clawing furniture is to blow up a couple of small balloons and tape them to the spot where the cat wants to scratch. After one or two pops, the cat will be afraid of scratching there and won't do it again. Putting tape there temporarily also works -- cats hate sticky tape. And of course, make sure you have some alternatives available like a scratching post or a log or hunk of wood.

I disagree with the post above that cats will only pee or poop outside the litter box if it is not kept cleaned. Some cats (including females) are well known to pee or poop for all kinds of reasons, such as marking territory or just to make some kind of cat point being an ass, even if their box is kept pristine. But, you can usually correct that behavior.

I'm also a believer in keeping only indoor cats. Besides all the other good reasons like protecting them from disease, cars, animals that will kill or harm them, protecting birds, it's also just far less expensive and lower maintenance. My cat had the rabies vaccination and all the other shots before I adopted her, but since then I've never had to take her to the vet. She can't catch communicable diseases since she's never outdoors and can't get injured by cars or other animals, can't accidentally eat something bad or get hurt by anyone. Overall I'd say it costs us somewhere around $10/month to feed her and buy litter.

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Re: Anyone kept an outdoor cat?
« Reply #35 on: September 11, 2015, 11:07:28 AM »
I've heard that cats dislike the smell of citrus, so perhaps a few sprays of some lemon, lime, or orange in water onto furniture might do the trick.

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Re: Anyone kept an outdoor cat?
« Reply #36 on: September 12, 2015, 10:19:07 PM »
Oh, a subject I can actually contribute to!

For many years my cats were outdoor cats. This changed because my neighbor told me one of them would go sit under his bird feeder all day and that if my cat turned out again he would shoot it. And he would be well within his rights - outdoor cats are illegal in my area and so any roaming cat is considered feral, even with a collar...and thus is fair game. Knowing what I know now anyways, I will never have an outside cat again. First of all, feral/outdoor cats are destroying native bird populations, and I try to not be actively involved in making the ecosystem even worse. Secondly, many cats carry toxoplasmosis, which can cause profound cognitive disabilities if passed to pregnant mothers or young children - a real risk if you live in an area with a sandy park. Carini, if I may be honest you really don't seem to want a cat anyways. Perhaps point out to your family that most animal shelters ask to not adopt if not all family members want a pet? Having it be a catalyst for quarrels for the next 16+ years just doesn't seem worth it to me.

As for declawing a cat, it basically involves cutting off the ends of their toes, which I personally wouldn't want for myself. It's not uncommon for declawed cats to have chronic pain because of it as well, which can lead to serious litter box problems (they associate the litter box with pain from trying to scratch around, and pick much less preferable spots to pee instead). Having a scratching post has been fine for my cats - as long as the base is steady so it doesn't wobble they seem to pick it up quickly. I've also seen rubber nibs that go over nails for cats if you're concerned about scratching, but I have no experience with that.

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Re: Anyone kept an outdoor cat?
« Reply #37 on: September 12, 2015, 10:58:23 PM »
There are things called Soft Paws that you can put on their claws if no amount or placement of scratching posts helps.  Probably not the cheapest overtime but at least you're not dismembering an animal.  Absolutely no need to declaw cats.

Also cats only really like material that is a little rough.  Microfiber material doesn't appeal to them and I think it's a pretty nice fabric for humans.

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Re: Anyone kept an outdoor cat?
« Reply #38 on: September 13, 2015, 05:50:29 AM »
This whole thing just underscores why I will never be a cat owner again after our current declawed cat (18+ years) passes away. I don't want to be cruel to a cat, but I have no desire to deal with all these other maneuvers to get them to not scratch my furniture and home. I've had non-declawed cats in the past, and it was extremely stressful. Perhaps I'm just not meant to be a cat owner.

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Re: Anyone kept an outdoor cat?
« Reply #39 on: September 13, 2015, 09:19:41 AM »
This whole thing just underscores why I will never be a cat owner again after our current declawed cat (18+ years) passes away. I don't want to be cruel to a cat, but I have no desire to deal with all these other maneuvers to get them to not scratch my furniture and home. I've had non-declawed cats in the past, and it was extremely stressful. Perhaps I'm just not meant to be a cat owner.

Aw. If your local shelter ladies aren't crazy judgmental you could always just tell them you're only interested in a cat that's already been declawed and they could keep an eye out for you. No harm taking in an animal when the damage has already been done.

My family would yell at the cats for scratching certain pieces of furniture and eventually they'd find something to scratch that we didn't mind too much. Maybe it helped that we had a lot of second-hand furniture.

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Re: Anyone kept an outdoor cat?
« Reply #40 on: September 13, 2015, 10:35:28 AM »
We trained our cat to stop clawing furniture. We keep her claws clipped, which helps a lot. But mostly, we make sure we have a bunch of vertical scratching posts (the ones with sisal seem most effective). If I catch her trying to scratch something other than a scratching post (furniture, speaker), I spray the furniture with Feliway spray and place one of the vertical scratching posts in that area temporarily. Some scratching posts are permanently in place - like the one right next to the couch - because it's a hot spot for her desire to scratch.

We also have a couple of cat trees for her to be able to stretch extra tall and jump around. We have effectively redirected all of her scratching energy to appropriate objects at this point. It took very little time, but it does require consistency. We have to reposition a post due to a minor furniture scratch every month or so.

When we were originally training her, we would pick her up every time she scratched a bad object and place her by the scratching post. Then I would scratch the post with my fingers a bit. She figured it out. When she forgets, half the time she self-corrects herself and will run to a scratching post to finish scratching. The other half, we verbally correct her and she runs to the scratching post. We don't get the chance to pick her up anymore. She will also come and scratch posts if we just stand next to them and point. We ALWAYS praise her when we catch her scratching a post. Again, this only happens once every month or less.

The trick with the posts is that you have to have a few of them, and you have to put them in the best places - which aren't always the nicest places from a design standpoint! You'll save your couch - but there will be a permanent scratching post next to it. You can remove them when guests are over without issues, but they'll have to go back, because your cat will never get tired of scratching something.

Our other (older) cat is declawed. We went through this scratch-training effort with #2 because we did not want to declaw another cat. Our first cat had some serious declawing pain (she was declawed as a kitten). It changed her personality. And if you're worried about litter box problems, declawing can cause that, because their paws hurt and they don't want to dig in the litter. Ours just became extremely timid after declawing - but now that I've realized I can easily train a cat not to scratch furniture, I regret declawing.

My opinion is that if the cat appears well-socialized, the kindest thing to do (other than adopt it properly) is to take it to the Humane Society so that someone can give it a proper home. If you're not talking about a feral cat or a barn cat, then keeping it outdoor-only seems cruel. Given that this cat interacts with your children, it seems highly probable that this cat is comfortable with humans and is used to having a home.

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Re: Anyone kept an outdoor cat?
« Reply #41 on: November 25, 2015, 07:26:10 PM »
Thought I would update this.  Well, I caved.  My big mistake was going to the humane society without telling my family. It was a secret visit so I could feel out the idea of having a cat. Found one that seemed pretty great.  He sucked me in.

We've had him a month now and it's going well. He's pretty cool. My wife and kids are thrilled and everyone is doing their part to take care of him.  So far, so good.

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Re: Anyone kept an outdoor cat?
« Reply #42 on: November 25, 2015, 08:32:39 PM »
Great! 

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Re: Anyone kept an outdoor cat?
« Reply #43 on: November 25, 2015, 11:30:54 PM »
I'm not a cat guy. At all.

Found one that seemed pretty great.  He sucked me in.

We've had him a month now and it's going well. He's pretty cool.

Hehehe. Looks like you're a cat guy now.

So this one is being kept indoors, yes? What happened to the stray, does it still visit?

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Re: Anyone kept an outdoor cat?
« Reply #44 on: November 26, 2015, 04:32:42 AM »
I'm not a cat guy. At all.

Found one that seemed pretty great.  He sucked me in.

We've had him a month now and it's going well. He's pretty cool.

Hehehe. Looks like you're a cat guy now.

So this one is being kept indoors, yes? What happened to the stray, does it still visit?

Let's not go too far and call me a cat guy, but I like him. Haha. Yes, he's indoor. The stray stopped coming around after we were gone for a weekend quite a while ago. 

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Re: Anyone kept an outdoor cat?
« Reply #45 on: November 26, 2015, 06:35:43 AM »
People who keep 'outdoor' cats are assholes.  Cats are invasive species.  They breed very quickly, and can rapidly cause population problems.  Even when fixed, just being around they will kill large numbers of native birds, rodents, and amphibians.  Living outdoors in an environment that they aren't adapted for isn't really a good life for cats either.

We have had problems with feral cat colonies near our home.  I started trapping them because we had so many wandering around in the back yard that it wasn't safe for our small dog or child.  The cats that I trap are not in good shape.  They are crawling with ticks and fleas, they often have wounds and are missing eyes/ears from fights, they show frostbite damage (missing tails/poor paw condition).  We also regularly see cats that have been hit by cars on the side of the road.

The frustrating thing is, feral cats are a human problem.  They're due to people who think that it's a good idea to let cats live outdoors, where they don't belong.  They usually suffer where they live, they always cause suffering among native animals, and they breed very quickly.  Please be responsible and don't let your cat outside, or get a cat to keep outside.  If you are letting your cat outside . . . stop being an asshole.

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Re: Anyone kept an outdoor cat?
« Reply #46 on: November 26, 2015, 12:36:17 PM »
Many cats develop behavior problems once they are declawed such as peeing int he house,etc.  It is long term painful & is similar to cutting your finger off to the first knuckle. You can train cats not to scratch furniture by spraying them with water & providing something for them to scratch on.  Outdoor cats have very short lives.

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Re: Anyone kept an outdoor cat?
« Reply #47 on: November 28, 2015, 06:06:11 PM »
People who keep 'outdoor' cats are assholes.  Cats are invasive species.  They breed very quickly, and can rapidly cause population problems.  Even when fixed, just being around they will kill large numbers of native birds, rodents, and amphibians.  Living outdoors in an environment that they aren't adapted for isn't really a good life for cats either.

We have had problems with feral cat colonies near our home.  I started trapping them because we had so many wandering around in the back yard that it wasn't safe for our small dog or child.  The cats that I trap are not in good shape.  They are crawling with ticks and fleas, they often have wounds and are missing eyes/ears from fights, they show frostbite damage (missing tails/poor paw condition).  We also regularly see cats that have been hit by cars on the side of the road.

The frustrating thing is, feral cats are a human problem.  They're due to people who think that it's a good idea to let cats live outdoors, where they don't belong.  They usually suffer where they live, they always cause suffering among native animals, and they breed very quickly.  Please be responsible and don't let your cat outside, or get a cat to keep outside.  If you are letting your cat outside . . . stop being an asshole.

Crazy aggressive post. You could have made your point without sounding a bit nuts. For what it's worth, we had an outdoor cat for 10 years as a kid. Great cat.  I guess my parents were assholes in your eyes, but we loved him as kids. Awesome cat.

Our new cat is exclusively indoor and I decided to keep his claws. Little bastard clawed the couch today when we were gone. Bought him awesome scratching post on day one and have been trying to train him with it. I knew this was going to happen going in, so I'm not that pissed.

And right this second, he's literally sitting at the top of the Christmas tree I just brought home today. Haha.

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Re: Anyone kept an outdoor cat?
« Reply #48 on: November 30, 2015, 06:23:23 AM »
We have had an outdoor cat for 13 years.  We have a very tiny cat house she goes in when its cold on the front porch.  We live in New England and winters can be pretty brutal but she manages on her own outside.  She gets along with other pets in the neighborhood and just walks around on her own.  It probably depends mostly on the neighborhood and area you live in, depending if there are possible predators or not.