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Wells Fargo's awful retirement calculator
« on: March 26, 2014, 08:55:04 AM »
Before I beat up on Wells Fargo too much, I will give them a nod for at least having a tool in place that makes people think about saving for retirement. Having said that....

Here is how ridiculous the tool is. It asks your age, your salary, when you expect to retire and how long you expect to live. You can also add simple additional assets.

What it does not ask are things like current debt, other sources of income, are you married, do you own your home or rent, etc. So here is where it gets pretty stupid. It has a very simple and straightforward formula, you need 80% of your current income in retirement, and it calculates how much you will have put away by then based on a very limited data set and spits back a % of how much you will have saved when you retire. So guess what happens when you get a raise? Your income suddenly changes, and that 80% expectation changes right along with it. According to Wells Fargo my new raise means I am now less prepared for retirement even though my financial situation improved!

Well yes, that is true if I constantly live up to my income (and lord knows that is true of too many people) and don't take a more frugal approach.


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Re: Wells Fargo's awful retirement calculator
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2014, 12:42:57 PM »
My calculator on Vanguard had a red warning light, and the message, "Alert: you may have only $94,000 per year in retirement income.  Will this be enough?"  LOLOL. 

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Re: Wells Fargo's awful retirement calculator
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2014, 01:53:57 PM »
My calculator on Vanguard had a red warning light, and the message, "Alert: you may have only $94,000 per year in retirement income.  Will this be enough?"  LOLOL.

LOL!  That is awesome.  I want mine to say that.  ;-)

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Re: Wells Fargo's awful retirement calculator
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2014, 02:33:51 PM »
My calculator on Vanguard had a red warning light, and the message, "Alert: you may have only $94,000 per year in retirement income.  Will this be enough?"  LOLOL.

Yeah, I always get a chuckle out of that when I look at my 401k (even though my number is much les than $94K).  I keep looking for the "Yes" button - and I have more invested outside Vanguard than in it, too :-)

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Re: Wells Fargo's awful retirement calculator
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2014, 02:40:17 PM »
Where are you getting the Vanguard calculator from? I have fiddled around with their site but gave up after I couldn't set my retirement age from 65 to something more realistic, like 36.

Nevermind, found it. It appears to be the same thing as Firecalc.
« Last Edit: March 26, 2014, 02:50:14 PM by MgoSam »

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Re: Wells Fargo's awful retirement calculator
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2014, 05:04:55 PM »
Has anyone tried the retirement calculator from ShareBuilder?

http://www.retiremyway.com

I just went through it and found that even though it starts with some weird assumptions, you can customize your retirement lifestyle and budget and it will spit out a result at the end about how you're doing.

I did mine for retiring in 10 years, $2000 a month budget, with my current savings rate, and it gave me a thumbs up.  Of course, if I went with their assumptions about what I would need per month based on my "desired lifestyle" then I'd be way in the hole.

Anyway, just wondering what people thought of that one since we're on the subject of retirement calculators.

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Re: Wells Fargo's awful retirement calculator
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2014, 09:18:34 AM »
Where are you getting the Vanguard calculator from? I have fiddled around with their site but gave up after I couldn't set my retirement age from 65 to something more realistic, like 36.

Nevermind, found it. It appears to be the same thing as Firecalc.

I'm not really using a calculator.  My 401K is with Vanguard, and when I check my balance, I have this little warning in the upper right-hand corner.

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Re: Wells Fargo's awful retirement calculator
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2014, 01:26:28 PM »
Relax. These calculators are meant to take a general snapshot of your readiness assuming you're an average American. If you aren't an average American, you shouldn't expect it to make sense for your situation. The calculator is fine.

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Re: Wells Fargo's awful retirement calculator
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2014, 01:33:49 PM »
Also, don't forget most of these are calculators designed by banks and investment companies.  It's a net benefit for them to freak you out so you invest more.  Even if that's not their plan, the one size fits all retirement plan is that everyone needs a million dollars to retire.  It certainly doesn't hurt to add functions that indicate that if your living standard is absurdly consumerist or you're supporting 50 Malaysian orphans you might need 2-5 million dollars instead.  Jus sayin'.