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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #700 on: July 05, 2018, 03:03:54 PM »

[According to my wife, 66 degrees is life threateningly low

How can anyone possibly sleep in a room that hot?

I'm gasping for air and unable to stay asleep if it's more than 58 degrees [14.5 C] at night. In the summer I can just open a window to cool off, but in the winter they're frozen shut. (I could force them open to escape if there was a fire, but they might need repairs after.)

That is WAY too cold, in summer I dont sleep with aircon on unless it has been over 48C (118F) in winter i will put a heater on about  24C (75F) but will turn it off once Im in bed and cosy. I live in Western Australia where it is maybe under 10 over night in winter so its not that cold.

It's ok @nnls - they're just a little strange over there in 'Murica.

It's ironic, because all the extra energy air conditioners use is contributing to the very global warming they are trying to counter by turning up the cooling....

You put the heater on when it is 24C?  Turn on AC only when it is 48C?  OOFH.  That is hot.  That is like, heatwave in the desert hot..   Maybe you guys down under have a different scale or something.  :-)

 It is 27C inside right now, and I am eyeing the fan to turn it on as I feel a bit too warm and can't open the window (because the blinds are down to stop sun shining in).   I don't have AC but when it gets to 32+C inside, we head to the basement or library or shade outside.  It is only like that here for a few weeks, though.   In the winter, I find 15C inside is pretty cool/ not nice if I am working on my computer all day, but fine if I am doing chores.
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« Reply #701 on: July 05, 2018, 04:42:28 PM »

That is WAY too cold, in summer I dont sleep with aircon on unless it has been over 48C (118F) in winter i will put a heater on about  24C (75F) but will turn it off once Im in bed and cosy. I live in Western Australia where it is maybe under 10 over night in winter so its not that cold.

It's ok @nnls - they're just a little strange over there in 'Murica.

It's ironic, because all the extra energy air conditioners use is contributing to the very global warming they are trying to counter by turning up the cooling....

You put the heater on when it is 24C?  Turn on AC only when it is 48C?  OOFH.  That is hot.  That is like, heatwave in the desert hot..   Maybe you guys down under have a different scale or something.  :-)

 It is 27C inside right now, and I am eyeing the fan to turn it on as I feel a bit too warm and can't open the window (because the blinds are down to stop sun shining in).   I don't have AC but when it gets to 32+C inside, we head to the basement or library or shade outside.  It is only like that here for a few weeks, though.   In the winter, I find 15C inside is pretty cool/ not nice if I am working on my computer all day, but fine if I am doing chores.


no I set my heater to 24, when its cold out. But my definition of cold out is different to most people. I was born in the Pilbara and my family is from the Kimberley  so I feel like I am genetically predisposed to enjoy the warm? Even most of the people at my work (which is in the Pilbara) think I am melodramatic about the cold

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #702 on: July 23, 2018, 08:02:59 AM »
Not really overheard, but it's just there.

My neighbour not only has a toy (a snowmobile) that is it worth more than our fanciest car (an 8 year old Corolla), but the accessory (the trailer for the snowmobile) for that fancy toy is also worth more than the car. 


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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #703 on: July 23, 2018, 08:43:20 PM »
An argument not to get carried away with pursuit of wealth.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #704 on: July 30, 2018, 08:12:02 PM »
I donít have a garage. But I do have too much crap in the basement.

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« Reply #705 on: September 26, 2018, 09:43:46 AM »
Reviving this one today; it's been awhile.

We have a neighbor who has ALL the toys; we were talking with our other neighbor recently about it. We figure either there's family money or they must be leveraged to the hilt. The funny thing this morning is when neighbor #2 (who is getting ready to buy out $40,000 on a giant SUV lease...) was talking about how ridiculous the car that neighbor #1 just bought (100k Land Rover, brand new without plates yet...to go with their brand new Honda Pilot purchased earlier this year...). I mean, you know it's over the top when the neighbor buying out a 40k lease is the "reasonable" one questioning the other's decision.

But seriously, how DO these neighbors up the street have the money? We know what they both do for a living and the numbers don't add up. At least the one with the lease is a very successful business owner with 401k and mega backdoor roth maxed; aside from the clown vehicle they are pretty smart with their finances. We have talked about it on occasion with them. We are actually friends with both of them and we like neighbor #1 and all; our middle child and their oldest are very good friends. I just hope that there IS family money or something, because it just seems mathematically unsustainable otherwise.

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« Reply #706 on: September 26, 2018, 03:20:43 PM »
Reviving this one today; it's been awhile.

We have a neighbor who has ALL the toys; we were talking with our other neighbor recently about it. We figure either there's family money or they must be leveraged to the hilt. The funny thing this morning is when neighbor #2 (who is getting ready to buy out $40,000 on a giant SUV lease...) was talking about how ridiculous the car that neighbor #1 just bought (100k Land Rover, brand new without plates yet...to go with their brand new Honda Pilot purchased earlier this year...). I mean, you know it's over the top when the neighbor buying out a 40k lease is the "reasonable" one questioning the other's decision.

But seriously, how DO these neighbors up the street have the money? We know what they both do for a living and the numbers don't add up. At least the one with the lease is a very successful business owner with 401k and mega backdoor roth maxed; aside from the clown vehicle they are pretty smart with their finances. We have talked about it on occasion with them. We are actually friends with both of them and we like neighbor #1 and all; our middle child and their oldest are very good friends. I just hope that there IS family money or something, because it just seems mathematically unsustainable otherwise.
I know someone in a similar situation.  Their answer is both family money AND leveraged to the hilt. >_>  Their house, cars, and their kids' stuff are paid for by mommy and daddy (on both sides), and their W-2 money all goes towards toys and stupid bullshit with little left over.  This couple is in their early 30s and making good money (150k+ easy).  They are in the perfect situation to sock away a shitload of money but somehow they're doing the opposite.  Never underestimate someone's ability to spend all their money, all their parents' money, and all the money the bank will give them.  But the husband is frugal because he limits how much he buys lunch at work.  OK, bro.  Whatever you say.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #707 on: October 02, 2018, 10:37:08 AM »
One of my neighbors have had their car sitting in the driveway for a few days with a cloth of some sort draped over the driver side window. I presume that the window is broken. There has been some pretty heavy rain over the last few days so I'm sure that didn't do a great job of keeping moisture out of the cabin. The kicker though is that they have a two-car garage. How much do they have stuffed in there that they can't use it to shelter a single car, even temporarily?

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« Reply #708 on: October 02, 2018, 11:02:20 AM »
One of my neighbors have had their car sitting in the driveway for a few days with a cloth of some sort draped over the driver side window. I presume that the window is broken. There has been some pretty heavy rain over the last few days so I'm sure that didn't do a great job of keeping moisture out of the cabin. The kicker though is that they have a two-car garage. How much do they have stuffed in there that they can't use it to shelter a single car, even temporarily?

There is one thing that will get my neighbors to rearrange their garages: a new Tesla. There seems to have been a delivery recently, as we have at least 3 new ones just in our neighborhood. You can tell them apart because the young couples are standing there with their newly cleaned out garage open, staring at their new purchase. The one closest to us still drives the heavy gas sports car everyday, though, so I am not sure what the Tesla is for besides admiring.


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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #709 on: October 02, 2018, 11:07:45 AM »
There is one thing that will get my neighbors to rearrange their garages: a new Tesla. There seems to have been a delivery recently, as we have at least 3 new ones just in our neighborhood. You can tell them apart because the young couples are standing there with their newly cleaned out garage open, staring at their new purchase. The one closest to us still drives the heavy gas sports car everyday, though, so I am not sure what the Tesla is for besides admiring.

Our neighborhood is FULL of Teslas. That's part of what we find baffling about the neighbor who just bought the Range Rover. They already have a brand new Honda Pilot so they've got a big SUV...if they were going to drop 100k on a car, why get a Range Rover and not a Tesla? Who needs TWO giant SUVs?! You are certainly right, though; those don't get parked on the street. Our neighborhood is mostly 3 car garages (ours has a tandem 3rd bay so we can actually park both cars in the garage, even with way too much crap in the tandem section...working on it!) and I don't think I've ever seen a Tesla parked on the street.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #710 on: October 02, 2018, 11:22:34 AM »
One of my neighbors have had their car sitting in the driveway for a few days with a cloth of some sort draped over the driver side window. I presume that the window is broken. There has been some pretty heavy rain over the last few days so I'm sure that didn't do a great job of keeping moisture out of the cabin. The kicker though is that they have a two-car garage. How much do they have stuffed in there that they can't use it to shelter a single car, even temporarily?

There is one thing that will get my neighbors to rearrange their garages: a new Tesla. There seems to have been a delivery recently, as we have at least 3 new ones just in our neighborhood. You can tell them apart because the young couples are standing there with their newly cleaned out garage open, staring at their new purchase. The one closest to us still drives the heavy gas sports car everyday, though, so I am not sure what the Tesla is for besides admiring.

Tesla is a technological marvel - of course it's for admiring. *says with tone half huffy and half disbelief that this is not yet common knowledge*

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« Reply #711 on: October 02, 2018, 11:24:31 AM »
There is one thing that will get my neighbors to rearrange their garages: a new Tesla. There seems to have been a delivery recently, as we have at least 3 new ones just in our neighborhood. You can tell them apart because the young couples are standing there with their newly cleaned out garage open, staring at their new purchase. The one closest to us still drives the heavy gas sports car everyday, though, so I am not sure what the Tesla is for besides admiring.

Our neighborhood is FULL of Teslas. That's part of what we find baffling about the neighbor who just bought the Range Rover. They already have a brand new Honda Pilot so they've got a big SUV...if they were going to drop 100k on a car, why get a Range Rover and not a Tesla? Who needs TWO giant SUVs?! You are certainly right, though; those don't get parked on the street. Our neighborhood is mostly 3 car garages (ours has a tandem 3rd bay so we can actually park both cars in the garage, even with way too much crap in the tandem section...working on it!) and I don't think I've ever seen a Tesla parked on the street.

Before you can take delivery of your vehicle you have to sign an agreement that you will only park the Tesla on the street in the event of an emergency or you already have 2 Tesla's occupying the garage.

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« Reply #712 on: October 02, 2018, 11:43:24 AM »
I don't think I've ever seen a Tesla parked on the street.

There's actually a practical reason for that - electric cars are usually charging at home, so you won't have a cable running allll the way out to the street. Which is a hilarious visual, BTW.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #713 on: October 02, 2018, 11:53:19 AM »
There is one thing that will get my neighbors to rearrange their garages: a new Tesla. There seems to have been a delivery recently, as we have at least 3 new ones just in our neighborhood. You can tell them apart because the young couples are standing there with their newly cleaned out garage open, staring at their new purchase. The one closest to us still drives the heavy gas sports car everyday, though, so I am not sure what the Tesla is for besides admiring.

Our neighborhood is FULL of Teslas. That's part of what we find baffling about the neighbor who just bought the Range Rover. They already have a brand new Honda Pilot so they've got a big SUV...if they were going to drop 100k on a car, why get a Range Rover and not a Tesla? Who needs TWO giant SUVs?! You are certainly right, though; those don't get parked on the street. Our neighborhood is mostly 3 car garages (ours has a tandem 3rd bay so we can actually park both cars in the garage, even with way too much crap in the tandem section...working on it!) and I don't think I've ever seen a Tesla parked on the street.

Before you can take delivery of your vehicle you have to sign an agreement that you will only park the Tesla on the street in the event of an emergency or you already have 2 Tesla's occupying the garage.

Is....is this true? It's 2018 and sometimes I don't know if someone's joking or not.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #714 on: October 02, 2018, 12:55:52 PM »
There is one thing that will get my neighbors to rearrange their garages: a new Tesla. There seems to have been a delivery recently, as we have at least 3 new ones just in our neighborhood. You can tell them apart because the young couples are standing there with their newly cleaned out garage open, staring at their new purchase. The one closest to us still drives the heavy gas sports car everyday, though, so I am not sure what the Tesla is for besides admiring.

Our neighborhood is FULL of Teslas. That's part of what we find baffling about the neighbor who just bought the Range Rover. They already have a brand new Honda Pilot so they've got a big SUV...if they were going to drop 100k on a car, why get a Range Rover and not a Tesla? Who needs TWO giant SUVs?! You are certainly right, though; those don't get parked on the street. Our neighborhood is mostly 3 car garages (ours has a tandem 3rd bay so we can actually park both cars in the garage, even with way too much crap in the tandem section...working on it!) and I don't think I've ever seen a Tesla parked on the street.

Before you can take delivery of your vehicle you have to sign an agreement that you will only park the Tesla on the street in the event of an emergency or you already have 2 Tesla's occupying the garage.

Is....is this true? It's 2018 and sometimes I don't know if someone's joking or not.

Who knows is the U.S., but it is not true in the rest of the world:

https://goo.gl/images/ESCckg

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #715 on: October 02, 2018, 12:57:59 PM »
Tesla's are electric so they can't get wet.  That's why they are parked in garages.  :)

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« Reply #716 on: October 02, 2018, 01:32:08 PM »
I don't think I've ever seen a Tesla parked on the street.

There's actually a practical reason for that - electric cars are usually charging at home, so you won't have a cable running allll the way out to the street. Which is a hilarious visual, BTW.

If I get an EV, I am going to park it across the street, where the free chargers are empty all night long! My husband works for that company, so it isn't even borderline on ethics. I assume most of the Tesla owners work there, as well. It would be funny to learn they are driving them across the street and parking them in the sun all day,  then bringing them home to park in the garage at night.

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« Reply #717 on: October 02, 2018, 02:02:32 PM »
I have a Nissan Leaf that I park outside (no garage), and I will say that electric cars DO NOT like getting cold in the winter.  When it's in the single digits, it won't start. Luckily I have the flexibility to work from home on those days, but it's still an inconvenience.

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« Reply #718 on: October 02, 2018, 03:25:28 PM »
There is one thing that will get my neighbors to rearrange their garages: a new Tesla. There seems to have been a delivery recently, as we have at least 3 new ones just in our neighborhood. You can tell them apart because the young couples are standing there with their newly cleaned out garage open, staring at their new purchase. The one closest to us still drives the heavy gas sports car everyday, though, so I am not sure what the Tesla is for besides admiring.

Our neighborhood is FULL of Teslas. That's part of what we find baffling about the neighbor who just bought the Range Rover. They already have a brand new Honda Pilot so they've got a big SUV...if they were going to drop 100k on a car, why get a Range Rover and not a Tesla? Who needs TWO giant SUVs?! You are certainly right, though; those don't get parked on the street. Our neighborhood is mostly 3 car garages (ours has a tandem 3rd bay so we can actually park both cars in the garage, even with way too much crap in the tandem section...working on it!) and I don't think I've ever seen a Tesla parked on the street.

Before you can take delivery of your vehicle you have to sign an agreement that you will only park the Tesla on the street in the event of an emergency or you already have 2 Tesla's occupying the garage.

Is....is this true? It's 2018 and sometimes I don't know if someone's joking or not.
Yes it's a joke.  But I wouldn't put it past Elon to come up with something like this.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #719 on: October 02, 2018, 08:34:43 PM »
There is one thing that will get my neighbors to rearrange their garages: a new Tesla. There seems to have been a delivery recently, as we have at least 3 new ones just in our neighborhood. You can tell them apart because the young couples are standing there with their newly cleaned out garage open, staring at their new purchase. The one closest to us still drives the heavy gas sports car everyday, though, so I am not sure what the Tesla is for besides admiring.

Our neighborhood is FULL of Teslas. That's part of what we find baffling about the neighbor who just bought the Range Rover. They already have a brand new Honda Pilot so they've got a big SUV...if they were going to drop 100k on a car, why get a Range Rover and not a Tesla? Who needs TWO giant SUVs?! You are certainly right, though; those don't get parked on the street. Our neighborhood is mostly 3 car garages (ours has a tandem 3rd bay so we can actually park both cars in the garage, even with way too much crap in the tandem section...working on it!) and I don't think I've ever seen a Tesla parked on the street.

First, I just do not get land rovers at all.  I just wouldn't buy one even if I had a billion dollars.  For the same price I'd definitely get a Tesla.

Second, yeah very interesting I do have neighbors who park their Teslas in the otherwise full garage, but...

Third, I agree with Maenad that it's probably charging related, since there's another guy who parks his Lambo on our street and I have no idea why (except it's quieter than the cross street so maybe he thinks it's somehow safer)

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« Reply #720 on: October 03, 2018, 01:08:33 AM »
I have a Nissan Leaf that I park outside (no garage), and I will say that electric cars DO NOT like getting cold in the winter.  When it's in the single digits, it won't start. Luckily I have the flexibility to work from home on those days, but it's still an inconvenience.

What? Never heard about that problem before. The lowest I remember starting my old leaf was -25C, and it always started at first try. In fact, the easy start in freezing temperatures is a selling point in the far north, where it can be difficult getting diesels to start at below -38C.

Is it long since you updated or recharged your starter battery?

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #721 on: October 03, 2018, 01:25:44 AM »
I have a Nissan Leaf that I park outside (no garage), and I will say that electric cars DO NOT like getting cold in the winter.  When it's in the single digits, it won't start. Luckily I have the flexibility to work from home on those days, but it's still an inconvenience.

What? Never heard about that problem before. The lowest I remember starting my old leaf was -25C, and it always started at first try. In fact, the easy start in freezing temperatures is a selling point in the far north, where it can be difficult getting diesels to start at below -38C.

Is it long since you updated or recharged your starter battery?
You are aware that a fully EV doesn't actually start as much as switch on the lights? The motor only needs current supplied by the batteries, only when it's totally dead will it actually "not start".

@Aelias: I recently saw an article with a custom battery upgrade with thermal booster. The thermal booster uses a bit of power but the higher output of the battery actually makes up for that apparently.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #722 on: October 03, 2018, 01:35:43 AM »
I have a Nissan Leaf that I park outside (no garage), and I will say that electric cars DO NOT like getting cold in the winter.  When it's in the single digits, it won't start. Luckily I have the flexibility to work from home on those days, but it's still an inconvenience.

What? Never heard about that problem before. The lowest I remember starting my old leaf was -25C, and it always started at first try. In fact, the easy start in freezing temperatures is a selling point in the far north, where it can be difficult getting diesels to start at below -38C.

Is it long since you updated or recharged your starter battery?
You are aware that a fully EV doesn't actually start as much as switch on the lights? The motor only needs current supplied by the batteries, only when it's totally dead will it actually "not start".

@Aelias: I recently saw an article with a custom battery upgrade with thermal booster. The thermal booster uses a bit of power but the higher output of the battery actually makes up for that apparently.

The starter batteries are a known problem in the leaf. They are a bit too small, and the re-charging procedure while driving is not optimal. You can have 100% on the main batteries, but if the starter battery is too low, the car wonít start. You can jumpstart an ev, like any other car, but if it is a recurring problem it is better to replace the 12v battery with a slightly larger one.

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« Reply #723 on: October 03, 2018, 07:17:42 AM »
Ok, our neighbors, who seem like pretty good folks, recently paid $1.35 million to buy their house. It has 5 bedrooms and five bathrooms. They both work for the government and own only one car, which they rarely use as both use the public transport, so far, so good.

But they spend so much money! They put down sod in the yard, then gophers ate it so they put artificial turf! Then $3500 on lawn furniture, plus landscaping and a grill to up the cost. The worst part of it is, they barely ever use the yard because they are at WORK! I think it has gotten use twice this summer.

Besides the expensive yard habits, they run the AC day and night in the summer.

Before you all complain about why we are living in the expensive neighborhood, we are already at FI and Mr. Piano had always wanted to live in Toronto. Raccoons ate our yard, too, but we didnít worry about it.  We have a table in the backyard, which came free with the house, and 4 chairs, which I bought for $2 each at a yard sale. Landscaping is being done gradually by friends in exchange for my tutoring their son (I am a licensed teacher).  When the weather was warm enough, I actually tutored the kid in the yard. We shake our heads about the couple next door.

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« Reply #724 on: October 03, 2018, 07:30:34 AM »
Before you all complain about why we are living in the expensive neighborhood, we are already at FI and Mr. Piano had always wanted to live in Toronto. Raccoons ate our yard, too, but we didnít worry about it.  We have a table in the backyard, which came free with the house, and 4 chairs, which I bought for $2 each at a yard sale. Landscaping is being done gradually by friends in exchange for my tutoring their son (I am a licensed teacher).  When the weather was warm enough, I actually tutored the kid in the yard. We shake our heads about the couple next door.

It sounds like not spending money on your yard is probably the smartest option in the trash panda capitol of the world: There's No Stopping Toronto's 'Uber-Raccoon' (entertaining videos)

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #725 on: October 03, 2018, 08:15:41 AM »
Wow, other-Jen, those raccoons are no joke! We have not had any trouble with the compost bins, probably ours are already full after eating the back lawn!

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #726 on: October 03, 2018, 02:06:25 PM »
Before you all complain about why we are living in the expensive neighborhood, we are already at FI and Mr. Piano had always wanted to live in Toronto. Raccoons ate our yard, too, but we didnít worry about it.  We have a table in the backyard, which came free with the house, and 4 chairs, which I bought for $2 each at a yard sale. Landscaping is being done gradually by friends in exchange for my tutoring their son (I am a licensed teacher).  When the weather was warm enough, I actually tutored the kid in the yard. We shake our heads about the couple next door.

It sounds like not spending money on your yard is probably the smartest option in the trash panda capitol of the world: There's No Stopping Toronto's 'Uber-Raccoon' (entertaining videos)
Oh, I imagine my .22 rifle with subsonic ammunition might be able to slow him down some :)

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #727 on: October 03, 2018, 05:02:50 PM »
I have a Nissan Leaf that I park outside (no garage), and I will say that electric cars DO NOT like getting cold in the winter.  When it's in the single digits, it won't start. Luckily I have the flexibility to work from home on those days, but it's still an inconvenience.

What? Never heard about that problem before. The lowest I remember starting my old leaf was -25C, and it always started at first try. In fact, the easy start in freezing temperatures is a selling point in the far north, where it can be difficult getting diesels to start at below -38C.

Is it long since you updated or recharged your starter battery?
You are aware that a fully EV doesn't actually start as much as switch on the lights? The motor only needs current supplied by the batteries, only when it's totally dead will it actually "not start".

@Aelias: I recently saw an article with a custom battery upgrade with thermal booster. The thermal booster uses a bit of power but the higher output of the battery actually makes up for that apparently.

The starter batteries are a known problem in the leaf. They are a bit too small, and the re-charging procedure while driving is not optimal. You can have 100% on the main batteries, but if the starter battery is too low, the car wonít start. You can jumpstart an ev, like any other car, but if it is a recurring problem it is better to replace the 12v battery with a slightly larger one.

Shows how little I know about EVs.  I wouldn't think they needed a starter battery.  Is it just to drive a solenoid for the main battery?  I would, however, expect freezing temperatures to be problematic for EVs, and thought that they would use resistive heating to maintain battery temp (similar to how Teslas will run the A/C for the batteries in high temperatures).

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« Reply #728 on: October 04, 2018, 04:28:39 AM »
I have a Nissan Leaf that I park outside (no garage), and I will say that electric cars DO NOT like getting cold in the winter.  When it's in the single digits, it won't start. Luckily I have the flexibility to work from home on those days, but it's still an inconvenience.

What? Never heard about that problem before. The lowest I remember starting my old leaf was -25C, and it always started at first try. In fact, the easy start in freezing temperatures is a selling point in the far north, where it can be difficult getting diesels to start at below -38C.

Is it long since you updated or recharged your starter battery?
You are aware that a fully EV doesn't actually start as much as switch on the lights? The motor only needs current supplied by the batteries, only when it's totally dead will it actually "not start".

@Aelias: I recently saw an article with a custom battery upgrade with thermal booster. The thermal booster uses a bit of power but the higher output of the battery actually makes up for that apparently.

The starter batteries are a known problem in the leaf. They are a bit too small, and the re-charging procedure while driving is not optimal. You can have 100% on the main batteries, but if the starter battery is too low, the car wonít start. You can jumpstart an ev, like any other car, but if it is a recurring problem it is better to replace the 12v battery with a slightly larger one.

Shows how little I know about EVs.  I wouldn't think they needed a starter battery.  Is it just to drive a solenoid for the main battery?  I would, however, expect freezing temperatures to be problematic for EVs, and thought that they would use resistive heating to maintain battery temp (similar to how Teslas will run the A/C for the batteries in high temperatures).

You can make EVs that run fine without a starter battery. The first gen Tesla Roadster didn't have one. But already in gen 2 of the Roadster they had put a small one in. It seems to be a number of reasons for why it makes sense to have a 12V starter battery system in an EV:
-Redundancy for safety reasons; if the main battery drops out, you have a second system for breaks, emergency lights, etc
-To protect the main battery: people plug all types of stupid shit into the 12V plugs. It is cheaper over time if they kill the 12 V battery, rather than the main battery
-To protect people from the main battery: high voltage and much power should not be easily available for the normal car driver
-Most EVs are made by manufactorers that have long experience in fossil fuelled cars. They have already built systems (windshield wipers, seat heaters, etc) that work on 12V starter batteries. Easier for them to just pop the ready made solutions into the electric car, instead of developing a lot of new stuff.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #729 on: October 04, 2018, 05:00:47 AM »
I just found out one of our neighbors spends $2000/month on groceries. This is in China, where the average salary is less than $1000/month. $2000/month is pretty much our entire monthly budget (minus DDís tuition).

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #730 on: October 04, 2018, 08:54:09 AM »
This is actually a sad one.  I had dinner with an old friend last night, and he vented at length about how horrible his work life has gotten.  Crazy hours (including multiple all nighters this year), unsatisfying work, constant stress that's leading to health problems.  He'd love to get a different job and is actively trying to do so, but he's at a point in his career where's hard to place.  He and his wife also maintain a mega-expensive DINKy lifestyle including a $4K a month apartment downtown.  He feels like he'd need a minimum of $150K in a new job.

I gave it my best, "I care about you.  This cannot go on.  This stuff is killing you.  Something has got to change."  But he shot down everything I suggested (get a cheaper apartment, give work an ultimatum, just walk out) with a shrug "I tried that already" or "I can't really do that."

The best I could do was reach out to a contact in a similar field to see if they're hiring.  In the end, it's his life, and he's going to do what he's going to do.  But it was just so sad.  I'm now worried that he's going to be the first of my close friends to die young from a stress related issue.  He even sort of accepts that at this point.  But he's so beaten down, he doesn't see that change is possible.

Sigh.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #731 on: October 04, 2018, 09:07:47 AM »
I just found out one of our neighbors spends $2000/month on groceries. This is in China, where the average salary is less than $1000/month. $2000/month is pretty much our entire monthly budget (minus DDís tuition).


My parents didn't spend that much in China including eating out and regular trips to the expat grocery.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #732 on: October 04, 2018, 02:46:24 PM »
After chatting with the new Range Rover neighbor a little more recently, we're pretty sure that they must be in huge debt...and I don't think it's going to get any better. The wife said that they'll probably be getting a new "fun" car because the Range Rover (which we figured to be about 100k...) is too nice to take off-roading...SO they're probably going to get a Wrangler for that. Oh, and their new Pilot is only 2 months old too. I really hope they make a whole lot more than we think they do. It sure doesn't look sustainable.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #733 on: October 04, 2018, 03:48:50 PM »

You can make EVs that run fine without a starter battery. The first gen Tesla Roadster didn't have one. But already in gen 2 of the Roadster they had put a small one in. It seems to be a number of reasons for why it makes sense to have a 12V starter battery system in an EV:
-Redundancy for safety reasons; if the main battery drops out, you have a second system for breaks, emergency lights, etc
-To protect the main battery: people plug all types of stupid shit into the 12V plugs. It is cheaper over time if they kill the 12 V battery, rather than the main battery
-To protect people from the main battery: high voltage and much power should not be easily available for the normal car driver
-Most EVs are made by manufactorers that have long experience in fossil fuelled cars. They have already built systems (windshield wipers, seat heaters, etc) that work on 12V starter batteries. Easier for them to just pop the ready made solutions into the electric car, instead of developing a lot of new stuff.

Pretty interesting stuff.  I'm not sure I agree with all of those reasons, but I believe you.  Particularly, when talking about a starter battery dying, it doesn't make sense that the car couldn't just recharge the starter from the main battery.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #734 on: October 04, 2018, 05:03:59 PM »
I just found out one of our neighbors spends $2000/month on groceries. This is in China, where the average salary is less than $1000/month. $2000/month is pretty much our entire monthly budget (minus DDís tuition).


My parents didn't spend that much in China including eating out and regular trips to the expat grocery.

Thatís just groceries. It doesnít include eating out. I think itís because they eat a lot of meat, and they eat organic everything (so mostly imported), and they have their groceries delivered (extra charge since they live in an expat compound on the outskirts of the city).

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #735 on: October 05, 2018, 06:11:37 AM »
There is one thing that will get my neighbors to rearrange their garages: a new Tesla. There seems to have been a delivery recently, as we have at least 3 new ones just in our neighborhood. You can tell them apart because the young couples are standing there with their newly cleaned out garage open, staring at their new purchase. The one closest to us still drives the heavy gas sports car everyday, though, so I am not sure what the Tesla is for besides admiring.

Our neighborhood is FULL of Teslas. That's part of what we find baffling about the neighbor who just bought the Range Rover. They already have a brand new Honda Pilot so they've got a big SUV...if they were going to drop 100k on a car, why get a Range Rover and not a Tesla? Who needs TWO giant SUVs?! You are certainly right, though; those don't get parked on the street. Our neighborhood is mostly 3 car garages (ours has a tandem 3rd bay so we can actually park both cars in the garage, even with way too much crap in the tandem section...working on it!) and I don't think I've ever seen a Tesla parked on the street.

Before you can take delivery of your vehicle you have to sign an agreement that you will only park the Tesla on the street in the event of an emergency or you already have 2 Tesla's occupying the garage.

Is....is this true? It's 2018 and sometimes I don't know if someone's joking or not.

I don't know either! I've also never seen a Tesla though.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #736 on: October 05, 2018, 09:41:41 AM »
My cousin drives a Tesla. He has every sort of gadget and a house full of unused items with the tags still on. I am not sure about his income, but with the consumer outgo he could have long since been FIRE.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #737 on: October 05, 2018, 09:45:10 AM »
Well, I stand corrected on my earlier post. I was running in my neighborhood and I saw a Tesla in a driveway that clearly sat outside all night long. The horrors! But, it was "only" a Model 3...

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« Reply #738 on: October 07, 2018, 08:42:09 PM »
Well, I stand corrected on my earlier post. I was running in my neighborhood and I saw a Tesla in a driveway that clearly sat outside all night long. The horrors! But, it was "only" a Model 3...

Non-roadster Teslas are remarkably boring cars... you may have seen a hundred but it probably wouldn't stand out in your mind unless you were really into cars

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #739 on: October 09, 2018, 08:34:48 AM »
Well, I stand corrected on my earlier post. I was running in my neighborhood and I saw a Tesla in a driveway that clearly sat outside all night long. The horrors! But, it was "only" a Model 3...

Non-roadster Teslas are remarkably boring cars... you may have seen a hundred but it probably wouldn't stand out in your mind unless you were really into cars

Disagree. The instant torque even on a used Model S 60 gets me every time I sit in my friend's car. Every. Damn. Time.
But the rest of the stuff, too plain boring, and that damn distracting center console/computer screen.
I guess if I had one I'd get used to it.

I don't want this to happen to me:
https://jalopnik.com/cop-pulls-tesla-model-3-driver-over-for-computer-mounte-1829437075

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #740 on: October 09, 2018, 09:40:44 AM »
But the rest of the stuff, too plain boring, and that damn distracting center console/computer screen.
I guess if I had one I'd get used to it.

I don't want this to happen to me:
https://jalopnik.com/cop-pulls-tesla-model-3-driver-over-for-computer-mounte-1829437075
This has always bugged me whenever I even vaguely consider such a vehicle for a second.  Give me at least a couple knobs so I can adjust the radio volume or air conditioning without looking.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #741 on: October 09, 2018, 11:30:40 AM »
Well, I stand corrected on my earlier post. I was running in my neighborhood and I saw a Tesla in a driveway that clearly sat outside all night long. The horrors! But, it was "only" a Model 3...

Non-roadster Teslas are remarkably boring cars... you may have seen a hundred but it probably wouldn't stand out in your mind unless you were really into cars

Must you provoke me at every turn?  If you owned one I guarantee  you'd not be bored with it.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #742 on: October 09, 2018, 12:44:40 PM »
But the rest of the stuff, too plain boring, and that damn distracting center console/computer screen.
I guess if I had one I'd get used to it.

I don't want this to happen to me:
https://jalopnik.com/cop-pulls-tesla-model-3-driver-over-for-computer-mounte-1829437075
This has always bugged me whenever I even vaguely consider such a vehicle for a second.  Give me at least a couple knobs so I can adjust the radio volume or air conditioning without looking.
Oh, goodness, this a thousand times!  I'll take knobs, levers, switches, and buttons over a touch screen any day.  HVAC and radio/navigation should NEVER have any connection.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #743 on: October 09, 2018, 10:39:45 PM »
Well, I stand corrected on my earlier post. I was running in my neighborhood and I saw a Tesla in a driveway that clearly sat outside all night long. The horrors! But, it was "only" a Model 3...

Non-roadster Teslas are remarkably boring cars... you may have seen a hundred but it probably wouldn't stand out in your mind unless you were really into cars

Must you provoke me at every turn?  If you owned one I guarantee  you'd not be bored with it.

Gimme a break, I meant they look boring.  They do not stand out to a casual observer.  The context of the comment is people not noticing Teslaís in their neighborhood

When you are inside one accelerating its fun