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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #500 on: January 18, 2018, 11:55:42 AM »
I can't even invent some sort of bent logic for these kinds of situations. 

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #501 on: January 18, 2018, 04:54:00 PM »
Do roommates count as neighbors? My peers and I are driving our first cars and my roommate is evidently thinking about buying his first, because he asked me:

"Hey, do you think it's a good idea to buy a car on a monthly repayment plan?"
Me: "NO, you'll just end up paying more for the car in the end! Since we have a successful carpool setup anyway I think it makes more sense to save up until you can buy something cheap in cash."

His response? "...but I'm lazy."

Eventually we remembered that our grad program offers small interest-free loans to students for such things so I advised him to go that route and get it taken straight out of his paycheck. Shouldn't have asked my opinion if you just wanted yours validated, my friend!

When did it become ok to admit to being lazy? This used to be one of the worst things you could be known as.

(also, get off my lawn)

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #502 on: January 18, 2018, 07:10:55 PM »
Do roommates count as neighbors? My peers and I are driving our first cars and my roommate is evidently thinking about buying his first, because he asked me:

"Hey, do you think it's a good idea to buy a car on a monthly repayment plan?"
Me: "NO, you'll just end up paying more for the car in the end! Since we have a successful carpool setup anyway I think it makes more sense to save up until you can buy something cheap in cash."

His response? "...but I'm lazy."

Eventually we remembered that our grad program offers small interest-free loans to students for such things so I advised him to go that route and get it taken straight out of his paycheck. Shouldn't have asked my opinion if you just wanted yours validated, my friend!

When did it become ok to admit to being lazy? This used to be one of the worst things you could be known as.

(also, get off my lawn)

Around the time it became OK to quit work while still able-bodied

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #503 on: January 19, 2018, 06:57:51 AM »
Do roommates count as neighbors? My peers and I are driving our first cars and my roommate is evidently thinking about buying his first, because he asked me:

"Hey, do you think it's a good idea to buy a car on a monthly repayment plan?"
Me: "NO, you'll just end up paying more for the car in the end! Since we have a successful carpool setup anyway I think it makes more sense to save up until you can buy something cheap in cash."

His response? "...but I'm lazy."

Eventually we remembered that our grad program offers small interest-free loans to students for such things so I advised him to go that route and get it taken straight out of his paycheck. Shouldn't have asked my opinion if you just wanted yours validated, my friend!

When did it become ok to admit to being lazy? This used to be one of the worst things you could be known as.

(also, get off my lawn)

Around the time it became OK to quit work while still able-bodied

I don't see early retirement as being lazy at all. In fact, quite the opposite.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #504 on: January 23, 2018, 02:24:48 AM »
We've had a couple of 38, 39 degree days lately.

I got home one day last week to find a neighbour and his toddler taking out the garbage. Both were wearing hoodies.

Me: Hey, aren't you guys a bit warm?
Neighbour: We have the air-con on inside.

How bloody cold do you have it that you need a hoodie?

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #505 on: January 23, 2018, 03:40:17 AM »
We've had a couple of 38, 39 degree days lately.

I got home one day last week to find a neighbour and his toddler taking out the garbage. Both were wearing hoodies.

Me: Hey, aren't you guys a bit warm?
Neighbour: We have the air-con on inside.

How bloody cold do you have it that you need a hoodie?

Many years ago, in the city where I live, we had a year where more people died of hypothermia in summer than in winter and more died of heat exhaustion in winter than in summer.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #506 on: January 23, 2018, 04:59:18 AM »
Neighbour told me about the great financing she got on her new solar panels :-/

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #507 on: January 23, 2018, 10:38:53 AM »
We've had a couple of 38, 39 degree days lately.

I got home one day last week to find a neighbour and his toddler taking out the garbage. Both were wearing hoodies.

Me: Hey, aren't you guys a bit warm?
Neighbour: We have the air-con on inside.

How bloody cold do you have it that you need a hoodie?

I must say, that whole thing makes more sense when I realized you're in Australia. I'm very happy with 38/39 F right now - since I've had weeks -10C and below. (thank you google) Though I will pass on the 38/39 C.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #508 on: January 23, 2018, 12:03:09 PM »
Neighbour told me about the great financing she got on her new solar panels :-/

Hmmm. This could actually be ok depending on what it is. We have a big roof and listened to the spiel about solar panels where you lease them back the electricity generated and it pays the fees (so financing, in a way, with no cost other than letting them use your roof). Then once the 'payment' was up then the solar power generated would be deducted/credited to your account. So more like indenture servitude....
 
Or you could buy them outright for 30k or so.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #509 on: January 23, 2018, 12:32:43 PM »
We've had a couple of 38, 39 degree days lately.

I got home one day last week to find a neighbour and his toddler taking out the garbage. Both were wearing hoodies.

Me: Hey, aren't you guys a bit warm?
Neighbour: We have the air-con on inside.

How bloody cold do you have it that you need a hoodie?

I have friends who use their HVAC so much I have to wear a t-shirt when I visit in winter and a long-sleeve when I visit in summer. They complain about their electricity bill. Wife and I laugh.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #510 on: January 24, 2018, 01:14:19 PM »
Neighbour told me about the great financing she got on her new solar panels :-/

There are some awesome financing deals out there for roof top solar. My deal is two years interest free, no repayments, $150 in fees. The free power generated during those two years combined with two years investment returns, equates to a 30% discount vs just 3% cash discount one could negotiate with the installer.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #511 on: January 24, 2018, 01:21:13 PM »
Neighbour told me about the great financing she got on her new solar panels :-/

There are some awesome financing deals out there for roof top solar. My deal is two years interest free, no repayments, $150 in fees. The free power generated during those two years combined with two years investment returns, equates to a 30% discount vs just 3% cash discount one could negotiate with the installer.

Yes but gooki... New Zealand is light years in front of the basket case that is the Australian energy market.

When our Federal Treasurer proclaims loud and clear that "COAL IS GOOD FOR HUMANITY" you can bet there isn't going to be any incentive given towards renewables.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #512 on: January 24, 2018, 06:43:44 PM »
It's been colder than usual around here lately. My neighbor a few houses down has been idling his big truck (F-250 or similar) for over a half hour now this morning...

I was thinking about this forum last week when we let my brother's very large diesel pickup idle all night for 6 nights in a row! The first few nights it was because if temperatures dropped as expected it wouldn't start in the morning. We were out in the middle of nowhere with no plug in. After the first couple nights it warmed up and we let it idle so we could dry all the snow covered outwear hanging in the cab enough that it would keep us dry and warm the following day.

Well worth the cost since diesels burn very little while idling. What was more frustrating to my brother was having to drive 45 min each way to the nearest fuel station!

The frugal part was that we didn't spend $175 per person per night (including food) to get a room in the nearby camp. We made our own little winter camping setup instead.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #513 on: January 24, 2018, 11:34:11 PM »
It's been colder than usual around here lately. My neighbor a few houses down has been idling his big truck (F-250 or similar) for over a half hour now this morning...

I was thinking about this forum last week when we let my brother's very large diesel pickup idle all night for 6 nights in a row! The first few nights it was because if temperatures dropped as expected it wouldn't start in the morning. We were out in the middle of nowhere with no plug in. After the first couple nights it warmed up and we let it idle so we could dry all the snow covered outwear hanging in the cab enough that it would keep us dry and warm the following day.

Well worth the cost since diesels burn very little while idling. What was more frustrating to my brother was having to drive 45 min each way to the nearest fuel station!

The frugal part was that we didn't spend $175 per person per night (including food) to get a room in the nearby camp. We made our own little winter camping setup instead.

Maybe someone will finally invent a sweater for your truck.  They already sell balls for your tuck

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #514 on: January 25, 2018, 02:44:19 AM »
When our Federal Treasurer proclaims loud and clear that "COAL IS GOOD FOR HUMANITY" you can bet there isn't going to be any incentive given towards renewables.

Just to be clear there zero government incentive to go solar here in NZ. These interest free offers are purely market driven. The intent is to use the offer to encourage more debt and then catch buyers out after the interest free period and slap them with 25.99% interest.

It's my mustachian responsibility to ensure these lenders lose money when dealing with me.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #515 on: January 25, 2018, 01:20:28 PM »
It's been colder than usual around here lately. My neighbor a few houses down has been idling his big truck (F-250 or similar) for over a half hour now this morning...

I was thinking about this forum last week when we let my brother's very large diesel pickup idle all night for 6 nights in a row! The first few nights it was because if temperatures dropped as expected it wouldn't start in the morning. We were out in the middle of nowhere with no plug in. After the first couple nights it warmed up and we let it idle so we could dry all the snow covered outwear hanging in the cab enough that it would keep us dry and warm the following day.

Well worth the cost since diesels burn very little while idling. What was more frustrating to my brother was having to drive 45 min each way to the nearest fuel station!

The frugal part was that we didn't spend $175 per person per night (including food) to get a room in the nearby camp. We made our own little winter camping setup instead.

Wait a sec, I thought they'd fixed the cold weather non-start issues, except for REALLY cold weather. Like -20F cold. How cold was it? I used to have a diesel, and I looked into it before I bought it.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #516 on: January 25, 2018, 11:59:28 PM »
It's been colder than usual around here lately. My neighbor a few houses down has been idling his big truck (F-250 or similar) for over a half hour now this morning...

I was thinking about this forum last week when we let my brother's very large diesel pickup idle all night for 6 nights in a row! The first few nights it was because if temperatures dropped as expected it wouldn't start in the morning. We were out in the middle of nowhere with no plug in. After the first couple nights it warmed up and we let it idle so we could dry all the snow covered outwear hanging in the cab enough that it would keep us dry and warm the following day.

Well worth the cost since diesels burn very little while idling. What was more frustrating to my brother was having to drive 45 min each way to the nearest fuel station!

The frugal part was that we didn't spend $175 per person per night (including food) to get a room in the nearby camp. We made our own little winter camping setup instead.

Wait a sec, I thought they'd fixed the cold weather non-start issues, except for REALLY cold weather. Like -20F cold. How cold was it? I used to have a diesel, and I looked into it before I bought it.

It was -30C the first night, a little warmer the other nights

He said it would be fine down to -15C, after that it's hit or miss.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #517 on: January 26, 2018, 12:10:18 AM »
It's been colder than usual around here lately. My neighbor a few houses down has been idling his big truck (F-250 or similar) for over a half hour now this morning...

I was thinking about this forum last week when we let my brother's very large diesel pickup idle all night for 6 nights in a row! The first few nights it was because if temperatures dropped as expected it wouldn't start in the morning. We were out in the middle of nowhere with no plug in. After the first couple nights it warmed up and we let it idle so we could dry all the snow covered outwear hanging in the cab enough that it would keep us dry and warm the following day.

Well worth the cost since diesels burn very little while idling. What was more frustrating to my brother was having to drive 45 min each way to the nearest fuel station!

The frugal part was that we didn't spend $175 per person per night (including food) to get a room in the nearby camp. We made our own little winter camping setup instead.

Wait a sec, I thought they'd fixed the cold weather non-start issues, except for REALLY cold weather. Like -20F cold. How cold was it? I used to have a diesel, and I looked into it before I bought it.

It was -30C the first night, a little warmer the other nights

He said it would be fine down to -15C, after that it's hit or miss.
I'm ignoring the environmental effect for the moment to say I bow down to your badassity. I'm a Californian and I can't even imagine those temps, let alone recreating in the out of doors in those numbers. Crazy!

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #518 on: January 26, 2018, 12:17:00 AM »
It's been colder than usual around here lately. My neighbor a few houses down has been idling his big truck (F-250 or similar) for over a half hour now this morning...

I was thinking about this forum last week when we let my brother's very large diesel pickup idle all night for 6 nights in a row! The first few nights it was because if temperatures dropped as expected it wouldn't start in the morning. We were out in the middle of nowhere with no plug in. After the first couple nights it warmed up and we let it idle so we could dry all the snow covered outwear hanging in the cab enough that it would keep us dry and warm the following day.

Well worth the cost since diesels burn very little while idling. What was more frustrating to my brother was having to drive 45 min each way to the nearest fuel station!

The frugal part was that we didn't spend $175 per person per night (including food) to get a room in the nearby camp. We made our own little winter camping setup instead.

Wait a sec, I thought they'd fixed the cold weather non-start issues, except for REALLY cold weather. Like -20F cold. How cold was it? I used to have a diesel, and I looked into it before I bought it.

It was -30C the first night, a little warmer the other nights

He said it would be fine down to -15C, after that it's hit or miss.
I'm ignoring the environmental effect for the moment to say I bow down to your badassity. I'm a Californian and I can't even imagine those temps, let alone recreating in the out of doors in those numbers. Crazy!

I hadn't done it before and was a little nervous, but it was quite fun. He's insulated a 5th wheel utility trailer and put a wall across the middle to separate the snowmobiles and the 'living area'. It was tiny and heated up very fast with a propane heater. At night we slept 3 adults and 2 dogs on the top part of the trailer and we kept it warm all night just with body heat (after turning the heater on for a few min before bed). Except the first night when we forgot to close the roof vent and woke up with a layer of frost over everything and the coffee pot frozen.

As for the environmental cost idling the truck all night (and night that far north was 4:30pm to 9:30am, though to be fair the truck wasn't always idling until 8 or 9pm) was less than $10 worth of diesel (according to brother).
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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #519 on: January 26, 2018, 08:02:54 AM »
As for the environmental cost idling the truck all night (and night that far north was 4:30pm to 9:30am, though to be fair the truck wasn't always idling until 8 or 9pm) was less than $10 worth of diesel (according to brother).
You can drive 140 miles on $10 of gas in a modern Honda Fit... We averaged $10/week in gas last year and we drive a sports can that takes premium fuel.

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« Reply #520 on: January 26, 2018, 10:46:16 AM »
As for the environmental cost idling the truck all night (and night that far north was 4:30pm to 9:30am, though to be fair the truck wasn't always idling until 8 or 9pm) was less than $10 worth of diesel (according to brother).
You can drive 140 miles on $10 of gas in a modern Honda Fit... We averaged $10/week in gas last year and we drive a sports can that takes premium fuel.

Nice. But how much fuel does it cost to idle for 12 hours? :p jk


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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #521 on: January 26, 2018, 11:13:31 AM »
As for the environmental cost idling the truck all night (and night that far north was 4:30pm to 9:30am, though to be fair the truck wasn't always idling until 8 or 9pm) was less than $10 worth of diesel (according to brother).

You can drive 140 miles on $10 of gas in a modern Honda Fit... We averaged $10/week in gas last year and we drive a sports can that takes premium fuel.

Nice. But how much fuel does it cost to idle for 12 hours? :p jk

Well now I'm curious... According to this a 2L compact sedan uses 0.16 gallons/hour. At current average gas prices that works out to about $5 for 12 hours of idling. Unfortunately that resource doesn't have Class 1-3 diesel trucks listed.

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« Reply #522 on: January 26, 2018, 11:47:42 AM »
As for the environmental cost idling the truck all night (and night that far north was 4:30pm to 9:30am, though to be fair the truck wasn't always idling until 8 or 9pm) was less than $10 worth of diesel (according to brother).

You can drive 140 miles on $10 of gas in a modern Honda Fit... We averaged $10/week in gas last year and we drive a sports can that takes premium fuel.

Nice. But how much fuel does it cost to idle for 12 hours? :p jk

Well now I'm curious... According to this a 2L compact sedan uses 0.16 gallons/hour. At current average gas prices that works out to about $5 for 12 hours of idling. Unfortunately that resource doesn't have Class 1-3 diesel trucks listed.

Now I'm curious too. He was paying $1.24CAD per litre for gas. What is that compared to the measurement you used? Presumably US$/gallon?
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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #523 on: January 26, 2018, 12:42:44 PM »
As for the environmental cost idling the truck all night (and night that far north was 4:30pm to 9:30am, though to be fair the truck wasn't always idling until 8 or 9pm) was less than $10 worth of diesel (according to brother).

You can drive 140 miles on $10 of gas in a modern Honda Fit... We averaged $10/week in gas last year and we drive a sports can that takes premium fuel.

Nice. But how much fuel does it cost to idle for 12 hours? :p jk

Well now I'm curious... According to this a 2L compact sedan uses 0.16 gallons/hour. At current average gas prices that works out to about $5 for 12 hours of idling. Unfortunately that resource doesn't have Class 1-3 diesel trucks listed.

Now I'm curious too. He was paying $1.24CAD per litre for gas. What is that compared to the measurement you used? Presumably US$/gallon?

I used the national averages from here:
http://gasprices.aaa.com/

$2.571USD/gal for regular. That works out to $0.84CAD/litre. According to the same site diesel is about 15% more expensive than regular in the US currently.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #524 on: January 26, 2018, 03:43:45 PM »
It's been colder than usual around here lately. My neighbor a few houses down has been idling his big truck (F-250 or similar) for over a half hour now this morning...

I was thinking about this forum last week when we let my brother's very large diesel pickup idle all night for 6 nights in a row! The first few nights it was because if temperatures dropped as expected it wouldn't start in the morning. We were out in the middle of nowhere with no plug in. After the first couple nights it warmed up and we let it idle so we could dry all the snow covered outwear hanging in the cab enough that it would keep us dry and warm the following day.

Well worth the cost since diesels burn very little while idling. What was more frustrating to my brother was having to drive 45 min each way to the nearest fuel station!

The frugal part was that we didn't spend $175 per person per night (including food) to get a room in the nearby camp. We made our own little winter camping setup instead.

Wait a sec, I thought they'd fixed the cold weather non-start issues, except for REALLY cold weather. Like -20F cold. How cold was it? I used to have a diesel, and I looked into it before I bought it.

It was -30C the first night, a little warmer the other nights

He said it would be fine down to -15C, after that it's hit or miss.
There's always been a fix, use a block heater. We used a propane block heater on the diesels growing up, no electricity required. If you park for 4 days, then want it to start, you can fire up the heater, wait a bit for everything to warm up and then start your machine. Essentially the same as what you did except you only need to start the night before you want to drive (and less fuel).

Unfortunately its not free, you have to balance how often you'll actually use it vs. the cost of installing it. Its a great deal though if you want the extra insurance that your vehicle will always start; even if the temperature drops. I think the coldest we hit was -40C (which is -40F), normally we tried to avoid working past that since fuel lines gel. The propane cuts down on run time so it extends motor life as well.

Nowadays you can just have diesel heaters as well. Sips from the fuel tank as needed but its independent of the motor so the worry about a non-start is gone.

MMM forum, where even the smallest expense can be minimized further.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #525 on: January 26, 2018, 05:21:57 PM »
My neighbor always has cold air blowing out of their door (70F outside temp) which is open at all times so their dog can wander in and out as it pleases.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #526 on: January 26, 2018, 07:58:40 PM »
It's been colder than usual around here lately. My neighbor a few houses down has been idling his big truck (F-250 or similar) for over a half hour now this morning...

I was thinking about this forum last week when we let my brother's very large diesel pickup idle all night for 6 nights in a row! The first few nights it was because if temperatures dropped as expected it wouldn't start in the morning. We were out in the middle of nowhere with no plug in. After the first couple nights it warmed up and we let it idle so we could dry all the snow covered outwear hanging in the cab enough that it would keep us dry and warm the following day.

Well worth the cost since diesels burn very little while idling. What was more frustrating to my brother was having to drive 45 min each way to the nearest fuel station!

The frugal part was that we didn't spend $175 per person per night (including food) to get a room in the nearby camp. We made our own little winter camping setup instead.

Wait a sec, I thought they'd fixed the cold weather non-start issues, except for REALLY cold weather. Like -20F cold. How cold was it? I used to have a diesel, and I looked into it before I bought it.

It was -30C the first night, a little warmer the other nights

He said it would be fine down to -15C, after that it's hit or miss.
There's always been a fix, use a block heater. We used a propane block heater on the diesels growing up, no electricity required. If you park for 4 days, then want it to start, you can fire up the heater, wait a bit for everything to warm up and then start your machine. Essentially the same as what you did except you only need to start the night before you want to drive (and less fuel).

Unfortunately its not free, you have to balance how often you'll actually use it vs. the cost of installing it. Its a great deal though if you want the extra insurance that your vehicle will always start; even if the temperature drops. I think the coldest we hit was -40C (which is -40F), normally we tried to avoid working past that since fuel lines gel. The propane cuts down on run time so it extends motor life as well.

Nowadays you can just have diesel heaters as well. Sips from the fuel tank as needed but its independent of the motor so the worry about a non-start is gone.

MMM forum, where even the smallest expense can be minimized further.

Great ideas. :) We only were out 6 nights and it may not have been worth the purchase, but it's certainly interesting info. I didn't think of non-electric block heaters! We already had propane tanks too. We drove each day (hunting) so would have had to use it each morning.

Do you remember how long it took to warm up? A few days ago at home he forgot to plug the block heater in overnight and it took 4 hours to warm it up enough to start.


As for the environmental cost idling the truck all night (and night that far north was 4:30pm to 9:30am, though to be fair the truck wasn't always idling until 8 or 9pm) was less than $10 worth of diesel (according to brother).

You can drive 140 miles on $10 of gas in a modern Honda Fit... We averaged $10/week in gas last year and we drive a sports can that takes premium fuel.

Nice. But how much fuel does it cost to idle for 12 hours? :p jk

Well now I'm curious... According to this a 2L compact sedan uses 0.16 gallons/hour. At current average gas prices that works out to about $5 for 12 hours of idling. Unfortunately that resource doesn't have Class 1-3 diesel trucks listed.

Now I'm curious too. He was paying $1.24CAD per litre for gas. What is that compared to the measurement you used? Presumably US$/gallon?

I used the national averages from here:
http://gasprices.aaa.com/

$2.571USD/gal for regular. That works out to $0.84CAD/litre. According to the same site diesel is about 15% more expensive than regular in the US currently.

Wow, dense moment of my part. I only looked at the gas prices ($1.24) when we filled up, not diesel. I don't actually know what the price of diesel was.

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« Reply #527 on: January 26, 2018, 08:16:48 PM »
Well now I'm curious... According to this a 2L compact sedan uses 0.16 gallons/hour. At current average gas prices that works out to about $5 for 12 hours of idling. Unfortunately that resource doesn't have Class 1-3 diesel trucks listed.

Now I'm curious too. He was paying $1.24CAD per litre for gas. What is that compared to the measurement you used? Presumably US$/gallon?

I used the national averages from here:
http://gasprices.aaa.com/

$2.571USD/gal for regular. That works out to $0.84CAD/litre. According to the same site diesel is about 15% more expensive than regular in the US currently.

Wow, dense moment of my part. I only looked at the gas prices ($1.24) when we filled up, not diesel. I don't actually know what the price of diesel was.

Looks like $1.27CAD/litre for diesel and $1.37CAD/litre for gasoline are the averages in Canada.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #528 on: January 26, 2018, 08:29:48 PM »
Well now I'm curious... According to this a 2L compact sedan uses 0.16 gallons/hour. At current average gas prices that works out to about $5 for 12 hours of idling. Unfortunately that resource doesn't have Class 1-3 diesel trucks listed.

Now I'm curious too. He was paying $1.24CAD per litre for gas. What is that compared to the measurement you used? Presumably US$/gallon?

I used the national averages from here:
http://gasprices.aaa.com/

$2.571USD/gal for regular. That works out to $0.84CAD/litre. According to the same site diesel is about 15% more expensive than regular in the US currently.

Wow, dense moment of my part. I only looked at the gas prices ($1.24) when we filled up, not diesel. I don't actually know what the price of diesel was.

Looks like $1.27CAD/litre for diesel and $1.37CAD/litre for gasoline are the averages in Canada.

I just asked my brother, he said $1.43/L
Everything is more expensive in the north.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #529 on: January 27, 2018, 09:30:13 PM »
Well now I'm curious... According to this a 2L compact sedan uses 0.16 gallons/hour. At current average gas prices that works out to about $5 for 12 hours of idling. Unfortunately that resource doesn't have Class 1-3 diesel trucks listed.

Now I'm curious too. He was paying $1.24CAD per litre for gas. What is that compared to the measurement you used? Presumably US$/gallon?

I used the national averages from here:
http://gasprices.aaa.com/

$2.571USD/gal for regular. That works out to $0.84CAD/litre. According to the same site diesel is about 15% more expensive than regular in the US currently.

Wow, dense moment of my part. I only looked at the gas prices ($1.24) when we filled up, not diesel. I don't actually know what the price of diesel was.

Looks like $1.27CAD/litre for diesel and $1.37CAD/litre for gasoline are the averages in Canada.

I just asked my brother, he said $1.43/L
Everything is more expensive in the north.

Just in case you're interested, $2.12/L in NZ. In NZ $.

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« Reply #530 on: January 28, 2018, 12:12:26 PM »
It's been colder than usual around here lately. My neighbor a few houses down has been idling his big truck (F-250 or similar) for over a half hour now this morning...

I was thinking about this forum last week when we let my brother's very large diesel pickup idle all night for 6 nights in a row! The first few nights it was because if temperatures dropped as expected it wouldn't start in the morning. We were out in the middle of nowhere with no plug in. After the first couple nights it warmed up and we let it idle so we could dry all the snow covered outwear hanging in the cab enough that it would keep us dry and warm the following day.

Well worth the cost since diesels burn very little while idling. What was more frustrating to my brother was having to drive 45 min each way to the nearest fuel station!

The frugal part was that we didn't spend $175 per person per night (including food) to get a room in the nearby camp. We made our own little winter camping setup instead.

Wait a sec, I thought they'd fixed the cold weather non-start issues, except for REALLY cold weather. Like -20F cold. How cold was it? I used to have a diesel, and I looked into it before I bought it.

It was -30C the first night, a little warmer the other nights

He said it would be fine down to -15C, after that it's hit or miss.
There's always been a fix, use a block heater. We used a propane block heater on the diesels growing up, no electricity required. If you park for 4 days, then want it to start, you can fire up the heater, wait a bit for everything to warm up and then start your machine. Essentially the same as what you did except you only need to start the night before you want to drive (and less fuel).

Unfortunately its not free, you have to balance how often you'll actually use it vs. the cost of installing it. Its a great deal though if you want the extra insurance that your vehicle will always start; even if the temperature drops. I think the coldest we hit was -40C (which is -40F), normally we tried to avoid working past that since fuel lines gel. The propane cuts down on run time so it extends motor life as well.

Nowadays you can just have diesel heaters as well. Sips from the fuel tank as needed but its independent of the motor so the worry about a non-start is gone.

MMM forum, where even the smallest expense can be minimized further.

My grandfather told me that way back when folks up north would build a small wood/coal fire under their Model T to warm the engine and make it easier to start.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #531 on: January 28, 2018, 07:23:07 PM »
It's been colder than usual around here lately. My neighbor a few houses down has been idling his big truck (F-250 or similar) for over a half hour now this morning...

I was thinking about this forum last week when we let my brother's very large diesel pickup idle all night for 6 nights in a row! The first few nights it was because if temperatures dropped as expected it wouldn't start in the morning. We were out in the middle of nowhere with no plug in. After the first couple nights it warmed up and we let it idle so we could dry all the snow covered outwear hanging in the cab enough that it would keep us dry and warm the following day.

Well worth the cost since diesels burn very little while idling. What was more frustrating to my brother was having to drive 45 min each way to the nearest fuel station!

The frugal part was that we didn't spend $175 per person per night (including food) to get a room in the nearby camp. We made our own little winter camping setup instead.

Wait a sec, I thought they'd fixed the cold weather non-start issues, except for REALLY cold weather. Like -20F cold. How cold was it? I used to have a diesel, and I looked into it before I bought it.

It was -30C the first night, a little warmer the other nights

He said it would be fine down to -15C, after that it's hit or miss.
There's always been a fix, use a block heater. We used a propane block heater on the diesels growing up, no electricity required. If you park for 4 days, then want it to start, you can fire up the heater, wait a bit for everything to warm up and then start your machine. Essentially the same as what you did except you only need to start the night before you want to drive (and less fuel).

Unfortunately its not free, you have to balance how often you'll actually use it vs. the cost of installing it. Its a great deal though if you want the extra insurance that your vehicle will always start; even if the temperature drops. I think the coldest we hit was -40C (which is -40F), normally we tried to avoid working past that since fuel lines gel. The propane cuts down on run time so it extends motor life as well.

Nowadays you can just have diesel heaters as well. Sips from the fuel tank as needed but its independent of the motor so the worry about a non-start is gone.

MMM forum, where even the smallest expense can be minimized further.

My grandfather told me that way back when folks up north would build a small wood/coal fire under their Model T to warm the engine and make it easier to start.

I did this with my Model S once, do not reccomend

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #532 on: January 29, 2018, 09:00:03 AM »
Great ideas. :) We only were out 6 nights and it may not have been worth the purchase, but it's certainly interesting info. I didn't think of non-electric block heaters! We already had propane tanks too. We drove each day (hunting) so would have had to use it each morning.
Propane block heaters (or diesel heaters) work similar to electric. You can get them oversize to heat faster, but it still takes time to transfer the heat to the large cold block of metal. Follow the same steps as an electric heater that you're use to. Propane is cheaper to heat with than diesel, but then you need to attach propane (don't forget to fill the tanks).

Its more of an insurance/safety feature. If its too cold to start the motor you can turn on the block heater, wait, then you're fine.

We tried open wood fire before, its hard (doing repair work out in the forest). You need to keep the flame small so it doesn't burn anything important, but keep the fire hot enough to do something useful. I don't recommend trying it until all other options are exhausted. The people who do it regularly probably kept it in stoves, to keep the flames contained. Pretty much just switching from propane to wood heaters, same idea, different fuel source.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #533 on: January 30, 2018, 12:12:38 PM »
Back on topic....

One of my neighbors always goes overboard on decorating his yard for Christmas.  This year, there was a contest between him and two other families to see who could have the "best" yard, where "best" appeared to have been defined as "visible from space".

I found out last night that the "winner" spent $5,000 buying his outside Christmas decorations this year.  I love decorating for Christmas and have been collecting things for 30-odd years...and I don't think that, combined, I've spent $5k on it all.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #534 on: January 31, 2018, 10:37:44 AM »
Back on topic....

One of my neighbors always goes overboard on decorating his yard for Christmas.  This year, there was a contest between him and two other families to see who could have the "best" yard, where "best" appeared to have been defined as "visible from space".

I found out last night that the "winner" spent $5,000 buying his outside Christmas decorations this year.  I love decorating for Christmas and have been collecting things for 30-odd years...and I don't think that, combined, I've spent $5k on it all.

OMG, that's nuts. We "won" our community light contest this year. We add a couple new decorations each year, nothing major. We splurged on the wire unicorn from Target, yes I am hanging my head in shame...but my teenager surprised my daughter (5) with it after clearing the purchase with me first and she was over the moon. Anyway, the thing that pushed us over the edge was 19 strings of LED lights my boss gave me because they decided not to decorate anymore. Our "theme" (ha) was definitely less cohesive than the neighbors across the street who went all out with inflatables tying into a santa's workshop/north pole theme, but ours was a TON cheaper. Driving through our neighborhood at Christmas is interesting; the easy but expensive inflatables are everywhere.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #535 on: January 31, 2018, 10:49:59 AM »
Oh man, Christmas decorating nonsense.  My neighbors were pretty bad about that this year.

My favorite/least favorite was one that had an odd mix of inflatable nonsense and lit up nonsense simultaneously declaring "JESUS IS THE REASON FOR THE SEASON" and having Santa, reindeer, and snowmen bullshit.  Pick a side, sheesh.

One of my dogs started barking like crazy at an inflatable Santa the first time she saw it.  Good dog.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #536 on: January 31, 2018, 11:02:17 AM »
It's been colder than usual around here lately. My neighbor a few houses down has been idling his big truck (F-250 or similar) for over a half hour now this morning...

I was thinking about this forum last week when we let my brother's very large diesel pickup idle all night for 6 nights in a row! The first few nights it was because if temperatures dropped as expected it wouldn't start in the morning. We were out in the middle of nowhere with no plug in. After the first couple nights it warmed up and we let it idle so we could dry all the snow covered outwear hanging in the cab enough that it would keep us dry and warm the following day.

Well worth the cost since diesels burn very little while idling. What was more frustrating to my brother was having to drive 45 min each way to the nearest fuel station!

The frugal part was that we didn't spend $175 per person per night (including food) to get a room in the nearby camp. We made our own little winter camping setup instead.

Wait a sec, I thought they'd fixed the cold weather non-start issues, except for REALLY cold weather. Like -20F cold. How cold was it? I used to have a diesel, and I looked into it before I bought it.

As a Canadian prairie dweller, I have to take issue with someone describing -20F as "REALLY cold". We call this a pleasant winter day. My kids' elementary school has a rule that when the temperature drops to less than -30C (-22F), recess is indoors instead of outdoors.

OK, we just to like to brag how tough we are. I actually hate winter...

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #537 on: January 31, 2018, 11:38:51 AM »
It's been colder than usual around here lately. My neighbor a few houses down has been idling his big truck (F-250 or similar) for over a half hour now this morning...

I was thinking about this forum last week when we let my brother's very large diesel pickup idle all night for 6 nights in a row! The first few nights it was because if temperatures dropped as expected it wouldn't start in the morning. We were out in the middle of nowhere with no plug in. After the first couple nights it warmed up and we let it idle so we could dry all the snow covered outwear hanging in the cab enough that it would keep us dry and warm the following day.

Well worth the cost since diesels burn very little while idling. What was more frustrating to my brother was having to drive 45 min each way to the nearest fuel station!

The frugal part was that we didn't spend $175 per person per night (including food) to get a room in the nearby camp. We made our own little winter camping setup instead.

Wait a sec, I thought they'd fixed the cold weather non-start issues, except for REALLY cold weather. Like -20F cold. How cold was it? I used to have a diesel, and I looked into it before I bought it.

It was -30C the first night, a little warmer the other nights

He said it would be fine down to -15C, after that it's hit or miss.
There's always been a fix, use a block heater. We used a propane block heater on the diesels growing up, no electricity required. If you park for 4 days, then want it to start, you can fire up the heater, wait a bit for everything to warm up and then start your machine. Essentially the same as what you did except you only need to start the night before you want to drive (and less fuel).

Unfortunately its not free, you have to balance how often you'll actually use it vs. the cost of installing it. Its a great deal though if you want the extra insurance that your vehicle will always start; even if the temperature drops. I think the coldest we hit was -40C (which is -40F), normally we tried to avoid working past that since fuel lines gel. The propane cuts down on run time so it extends motor life as well.

Nowadays you can just have diesel heaters as well. Sips from the fuel tank as needed but its independent of the motor so the worry about a non-start is gone.

MMM forum, where even the smallest expense can be minimized further.

My grandfather told me that way back when folks up north would build a small wood/coal fire under their Model T to warm the engine and make it easier to start.

I met a guy who used to fly a small plane very far north and in the winter said after he would land it and shut down the engine, he had to drain all the oil from the engine while it was still warm so it didn't freeze.  They would then put the pot of oil on a fire for the night and pour it back in the plane in the morning while very hot, then they had a couple min to get the plane started again or drain the oil and get it hot again and start over.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #538 on: January 31, 2018, 11:49:07 AM »
It's been colder than usual around here lately. My neighbor a few houses down has been idling his big truck (F-250 or similar) for over a half hour now this morning...

I was thinking about this forum last week when we let my brother's very large diesel pickup idle all night for 6 nights in a row! The first few nights it was because if temperatures dropped as expected it wouldn't start in the morning. We were out in the middle of nowhere with no plug in. After the first couple nights it warmed up and we let it idle so we could dry all the snow covered outwear hanging in the cab enough that it would keep us dry and warm the following day.

Well worth the cost since diesels burn very little while idling. What was more frustrating to my brother was having to drive 45 min each way to the nearest fuel station!

The frugal part was that we didn't spend $175 per person per night (including food) to get a room in the nearby camp. We made our own little winter camping setup instead.

Wait a sec, I thought they'd fixed the cold weather non-start issues, except for REALLY cold weather. Like -20F cold. How cold was it? I used to have a diesel, and I looked into it before I bought it.

As a Canadian prairie dweller, I have to take issue with someone describing -20F as "REALLY cold". We call this a pleasant winter day. My kids' elementary school has a rule that when the temperature drops to less than -30C (-22F), recess is indoors instead of outdoors.

OK, we just to like to brag how tough we are. I actually hate winter...

In Northern Norway, the kids can decide to stay at home if the temperature gets below -38, because that is too cold for the school bus. But those who live within reasonable distances, are expected to walk to school instead.

Idling cars is illegal on our side of the pond. You either use block heaters, or get an EV.

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« Reply #539 on: February 01, 2018, 10:27:19 PM »
Neighbour told me I should buy a 4WD because then if I'm out and about and need to change my baby's nappy, I can do it in the boot. I have no words for this madness.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #540 on: February 01, 2018, 11:47:56 PM »
Neighbour told me I should buy a 4WD because then if I'm out and about and need to change my baby's nappy, I can do it in the boot. I have no words for this madness.

Ha ha, surely a hatchback is safer because baby can't roll/ crawl out of the boot!

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« Reply #541 on: February 02, 2018, 12:39:42 PM »
Neighbour told me I should buy a 4WD because then if I'm out and about and need to change my baby's nappy, I can do it in the boot. I have no words for this madness.

I'm pregnant. Next person who asks me "Oh, so are you getting a car now?" gets a smack.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #542 on: February 02, 2018, 01:25:39 PM »
I'm pregnant. Next person who asks me "Oh, so are you getting a car now?" gets a smack.

Hmmm, getting smacked might not be seen as a deterrent. 

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #543 on: February 02, 2018, 01:56:20 PM »
I'm pregnant. Next person who asks me "Oh, so are you getting a car now?" gets a smack.

Hmmm, getting smacked might not be seen as a deterrent.

Culture clash? By "smack", I mean "in the face and I hope I break their nose". Not a cutesy little spank.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #544 on: February 02, 2018, 09:41:09 PM »
I'm pregnant. Next person who asks me "Oh, so are you getting a car now?" gets a smack.

Hmmm, getting smacked might not be seen as a deterrent.

Culture clash? By "smack", I mean "in the face and I hope I break their nose". Not a cutesy little spank.
"Smack" can also mean "kiss" in the US, although it's not super common.  If you kiss someone in the face and break their nose in the process, you're probably doing it wrong :P

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #545 on: February 02, 2018, 10:28:27 PM »
Neighbour told me I should buy a 4WD because then if I'm out and about and need to change my baby's nappy, I can do it in the boot. I have no words for this madness.

I'm pregnant. Next person who asks me "Oh, so are you getting a car now?" gets a smack.

We were constantly told we needed a bigger car. It annoyed me. Then we tried to fit a carseat in our tiny car and... Yup. We had to buy a bigger car. SO UNIMPRESSED. At least nobody was silly enough to say "I told you so" to me.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #546 on: February 02, 2018, 10:55:19 PM »
I'm pregnant. Next person who asks me "Oh, so are you getting a car now?" gets a smack.

Hmmm, getting smacked might not be seen as a deterrent.

Culture clash? By "smack", I mean "in the face and I hope I break their nose". Not a cutesy little spank.
"Smack" can also mean "kiss" in the US, although it's not super common.  If you kiss someone in the face and break their nose in the process, you're probably doing it wrong :P
huh?  I know Canada speaks a different english than the US, but I've never heard "smack" mean kiss..."smooch" yes, "smack", never.  The closest is the expression of 'smacking your lips' within the context of eating or tasting.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #547 on: February 02, 2018, 11:09:46 PM »
I'm pregnant. Next person who asks me "Oh, so are you getting a car now?" gets a smack.

Hmmm, getting smacked might not be seen as a deterrent.

Culture clash? By "smack", I mean "in the face and I hope I break their nose". Not a cutesy little spank.
"Smack" can also mean "kiss" in the US, although it's not super common.  If you kiss someone in the face and break their nose in the process, you're probably doing it wrong :P
huh?  I know Canada speaks a different english than the US, but I've never heard "smack" mean kiss..."smooch" yes, "smack", never.  The closest is the expression of 'smacking your lips' within the context of eating or tasting.
A smack on the lips means a kiss. Just because you haven't heard it doesn't make it any less real. Isn't English a fascinating language?

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #548 on: February 03, 2018, 08:21:50 AM »
I'm pregnant. Next person who asks me "Oh, so are you getting a car now?" gets a smack.

Hmmm, getting smacked might not be seen as a deterrent.

Culture clash? By "smack", I mean "in the face and I hope I break their nose". Not a cutesy little spank.
"Smack" can also mean "kiss" in the US, although it's not super common.  If you kiss someone in the face and break their nose in the process, you're probably doing it wrong :P
huh?  I know Canada speaks a different english than the US, but I've never heard "smack" mean kiss..."smooch" yes, "smack", never.  The closest is the expression of 'smacking your lips' within the context of eating or tasting.
A smack on the lips means a kiss. Just because you haven't heard it doesn't make it any less real. Isn't English a fascinating language?

Confirmed. I've heard "smack" used to reference a kiss.

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Re: Overheard over the fence (Antimustachian neighbours)
« Reply #549 on: February 03, 2018, 05:02:42 PM »
Neighbour told me I should buy a 4WD because then if I'm out and about and need to change my baby's nappy, I can do it in the boot. I have no words for this madness.

I'm pregnant. Next person who asks me "Oh, so are you getting a car now?" gets a smack.

You really shouldn't be smacking anyone in your condition