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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5050 on: August 10, 2016, 07:23:06 AM »
/a bunch of stuff

Holy. Shit. I will admit that there are times when I leave the dishes piled up. And may be approaching week three of not cleaning my shower. But what on earth...

I'm telling you, there's an entire class of people who live like this and like it. They really do wear out housing. They have radically different cultural values and reasons for doing what they do, but they're the reason tenements and slums exist. You can start out with a very nice building, but if you get occupants like this it will be run down pretty quickly. It's not even entirely a socioeconomic thing. The psychology is totally messed up but it's also frighteningly common.

Breakage and mess in my house NOT caused by my dogs: no no no no no nope nopey nope no no no. Jaysus! I just felt bile rise at the thought of the soap dish in my shower that I picked out at a reclamation tile place specifically for my bathroom redo. Nope.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5051 on: August 10, 2016, 07:50:35 AM »
To be honest our critters (dog and two cats) treat our house with more respect than the Grim Squeaker's house guests.

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« Reply #5052 on: August 10, 2016, 08:56:49 AM »
Yesterday on FB...family and cars.  You have to understand that many of my family members are into cars.  This comes naturally for some.  My dad was an auto-mechanic, my nephew is really into pickup trucks (of course he is) and he's a diesel mechanic.

My brother...he goes through cars...a lot.  My sis is his insurance agent and there were times that he and his wife bought/sold (always at a loss) 3-4 cars in a single year.  At one point they had a pickup truck and bought a second one ... WHEN they were pregnant with kid #2.  That second truck only lasted a few months after the baby was born before they traded it.

So imagine my pleasant surprise when they trade in the jeep for a Camry.  Wow, they are growing up!  In their 40s.  Now, they both do a lot of driving.  It was pretty common for SIL to drive 90 miles round trip every day to work, and then drive 250 miles RT to go shopping for fun on her day off.

Anyway, yesterday "look at my new wheels!  I loved the camry, but there's nothing like a jeep!" And a friend "jeeps are the BEST".  I couldn't help myself.  My husband (and son) think I'm horrible for raining on the parade.  "It looks like they are in SECOND place, behind Fiat, as least reliable!"

Tell me I'm not the only person who looks for reliability, gas mileage, and safety first? (and last)

Obviously you aren't the only one, but you admit that your family is "into" cars, shouldn't it make (common, not fiscal) sense that their priorities are different than yours?  For instance, if they're a family of DIY/mechanics, reliability may not rank as highly for them because they'll just fix any problems themselves. 

To me, this smacks of "I like baseball, my family looks football, aren't they stupid?"
Not really.  I even understand *some* of the "car thing".  My dad, sure - he was a mechanic.  He bought the WORST cars to "fix up" (then retired and bought a Camry).  He LOVED wrenching on cars.  My BIL has some old sports cars (Corvettes mostly I think), he's also a retired auto mechanic.  My nephew has loved pickup trucks since he was a tyke.  He's 23 and has owned 4.  He loves wrenching on them too.

My brother and his wife just like the cache.  They don't fix cars.  They don't show cars.  They are in debt up to their eyeballs, complain about how they can't retire, talk about how they will "never come visit you because we don't have the money.  I won't pay more than $100 for a plane ticket."  (Well, unless they are flying to Disney World, then they will.)  It honestly  makes no sense at all.

I mean, dude, if you can afford the stupid jeep, buy the stupid jeep.  But they can't, and I know this. (There's the MMM difference, right there.)  Well, I guess we *did* just each inherit $7000 from my late grandfather's estate (well, we got a check for that amount, the other half comes later).  I know where their money went!!


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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5053 on: August 10, 2016, 09:07:05 AM »
/a bunch of stuff

Holy. Shit. I will admit that there are times when I leave the dishes piled up. And may be approaching week three of not cleaning my shower. But what on earth...

I'm telling you, there's an entire class of people who live like this and like it. They really do wear out housing. They have radically different cultural values and reasons for doing what they do, but they're the reason tenements and slums exist. You can start out with a very nice building, but if you get occupants like this it will be run down pretty quickly. It's not even entirely a socioeconomic thing. The psychology is totally messed up but it's also frighteningly common.
This is pretty interesting, and is something that I think about off and on.  I experienced a little of this in college - as one of my summers I painted dorms as a job.  Some of the kids left them a disgusting mess.  The cleaning personnel were supposed to clean up the dorms before we patched them up, but sometimes they assigned us to rooms before the cleaning people got there.  We were not supposed to clean because it was a union job.

In any event, I live in a place (So Cal) where housing is atrociously expensive.  Rents are through the roof now.  And for the last year or two, you will find crazy rants on Craigslist, Facebook, or other local on-line sites about those stupid gouging landlords and how greedy they are.  And how they are slumlords.

Now.  Some of that is actually true.  There are one or two landlords in town who own dozens if not a hundred rentals.  They are poorly maintained.  Rent is very high.  They screw over the renters when they move out (not returning the deposit).

"Not returning the deposit" is a thing here. We always got ours back (moved out of rentals 3x).  We did have to fight for one of them.  I had a friend who rented a house for 14 years, and had to go to small claims court to get her $1500 deposit back.  *Most* landlords assume that renters are too busy to fight it (esp my homeschooling mother of 4 friend). 

What the renters don't realize, when they complain, is that not everyone is "like them".  You want to know why landlords don't rent to dog owners (it's getting increasingly difficult to find a place that will rent to people with pets)?  Because some renters let their dogs destroy the house.  You are coming up against a lot of really awful people who ruin it for everyone.  What other renters don't realize - when they complain about the 2BR house renting for $3250, is that house was purchased in 2006 (you can google it!) and that amount covers the mortgage, but not property tax.  So it's a loss.

Let's see, if a landlord rents the property at a loss for 5 years, are they suddenly gouging when finally they break even/ make a profit?

What I learned as a renter is ... if you get a good landlord, who doesn't raise the rent to market rates every year, be very nice.  Fix stuff around the apartment.  Don't call them for every little thing.  Those landlords are hard to find.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5054 on: August 10, 2016, 09:45:56 AM »
What I learned as a renter is ... if you get a good landlord, who doesn't raise the rent to market rates every year, be very nice.  Fix stuff around the apartment.  Don't call them for every little thing.  Those landlords are hard to find.

There's a flip side to that, though. If you get a good tenant, try to keep that person.

Everyone wants a tenant who pays the rent on time, doesn't trash the place, and who doesn't bug you about every trivial problem such as a light bulb that needs changing or the fact they're out of toilet paper, cherish this good customer. Make repairs promptly and stay accessible, but don't hover.

My best tenant demographic, bar none, has been people with disabilities. I'm not suggesting that people reverse stereotype, because bad tenants exist in all demographics and you do have to screen for them. But in terms of bang for the buck, I get a bigger bang when I go after this customer group, possibly because the community is under-served.
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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5055 on: August 10, 2016, 09:57:45 AM »
What I learned as a renter is ... if you get a good landlord, who doesn't raise the rent to market rates every year, be very nice.  Fix stuff around the apartment.  Don't call them for every little thing.  Those landlords are hard to find.

There's a flip side to that, though. If you get a good tenant, try to keep that person.

Everyone wants a tenant who pays the rent on time, doesn't trash the place, and who doesn't bug you about every trivial problem such as a light bulb that needs changing or the fact they're out of toilet paper, cherish this good customer. Make repairs promptly and stay accessible, but don't hover.

My best tenant demographic, bar none, has been people with disabilities. I'm not suggesting that people reverse stereotype, because bad tenants exist in all demographics and you do have to screen for them. But in terms of bang for the buck, I get a bigger bang when I go after this customer group, possibly because the community is under-served.

In the lease for the property I rent out, I have a clause that the first $100 of every repair is on the tenant.  This does 2 things, 1) encourages the tenant to care for the place and not screw it up, and 2) discourages the tenant from calling me for every little thing ("Sure I'll come change your lightbulb, it will be $99 please"). 

Now, the flip side is, the last tenant I had, I had 2 things break and neither was the fault of the tenant (ejector pump and dishwasher circuit fried).  I waived the $100 fee because they were very good tenants.  And I told my latest tenants the same thing, the clause is there if I need it, but I don't intend to enforce it because once every 6 months something legitimately breaks. 
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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5056 on: August 10, 2016, 10:20:12 AM »

[ And for the last year or two, you will find crazy rants on Craigslist, Facebook, or other local on-line sites about those stupid gouging landlords and how greedy they are.  And how they are slumlords.
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What the renters don't realize, when they complain, is that not everyone is "like them".  You want to know why landlords don't rent to dog owners (it's getting increasingly difficult to find a place that will rent to people with pets)?  Because some renters let their dogs destroy the house.  You are coming up against a lot of really awful people who ruin it for everyone.  What other renters don't realize - when they complain about the 2BR house renting for $3250, is that house was purchased in 2006 (you can google it!) and that amount covers the mortgage, but not property tax.  So it's a loss.


Yup! I don't live in CA or NYC, but I imagine that people understand that rent is going to be high in NYC whereas people are baffled as to why it is so high in CA. I've also found that unless someone has actually borne the cost of something, they tend to underestimate how much it actually costs. For instance, renters complain about how much rent is without understanding what the mortgage and tax payments are (not to mention upkeep and other costs).

Running a business has given me a brand new perspective because there are a lot of things that I would say, "Why don't we..." and not felt satisfied with the response I've received, but now that I'm in a position to enact these changes, I can understand why we don't just simply do a few things. Turns out that they aren't so simple to implement and maintain. Now if there is something I really want to get done my rule is, "If I am the only one willing to maintain ___, would I be willing to do it?" If the answer is no, than I won't do it. Here's an example, I feel like our office is stuffy and I want to bring in a bunch of plants to help improve the atmosphere, cost isn't the issue it's the maintenance of the plants. Yes, I'm willing to care for the plants if no one else will, and so I'm going to buy plants for the office.

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« Reply #5057 on: August 10, 2016, 02:36:35 PM »
What I learned as a renter is ... if you get a good landlord, who doesn't raise the rent to market rates every year, be very nice.  Fix stuff around the apartment.  Don't call them for every little thing.  Those landlords are hard to find.

There's a flip side to that, though. If you get a good tenant, try to keep that person.

Everyone wants a tenant who pays the rent on time, doesn't trash the place, and who doesn't bug you about every trivial problem such as a light bulb that needs changing or the fact they're out of toilet paper, cherish this good customer. Make repairs promptly and stay accessible, but don't hover.

My best tenant demographic, bar none, has been people with disabilities. I'm not suggesting that people reverse stereotype, because bad tenants exist in all demographics and you do have to screen for them. But in terms of bang for the buck, I get a bigger bang when I go after this customer group, possibly because the community is under-served.

In the lease for the property I rent out, I have a clause that the first $100 of every repair is on the tenant.  This does 2 things, 1) encourages the tenant to care for the place and not screw it up, and 2) discourages the tenant from calling me for every little thing ("Sure I'll come change your lightbulb, it will be $99 please"). 

Now, the flip side is, the last tenant I had, I had 2 things break and neither was the fault of the tenant (ejector pump and dishwasher circuit fried).  I waived the $100 fee because they were very good tenants.  And I told my latest tenants the same thing, the clause is there if I need it, but I don't intend to enforce it because once every 6 months something legitimately breaks.

Is that legal? If stuff breaks (garbage disposal, toilet, fridge, etc) a renter shouldn't have to pay a cent and it shouldn't depend on the landlord deciding to make an exception to the lease.
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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5058 on: August 10, 2016, 02:43:10 PM »
What I learned as a renter is ... if you get a good landlord, who doesn't raise the rent to market rates every year, be very nice.  Fix stuff around the apartment.  Don't call them for every little thing.  Those landlords are hard to find.

There's a flip side to that, though. If you get a good tenant, try to keep that person.

Everyone wants a tenant who pays the rent on time, doesn't trash the place, and who doesn't bug you about every trivial problem such as a light bulb that needs changing or the fact they're out of toilet paper, cherish this good customer. Make repairs promptly and stay accessible, but don't hover.

My best tenant demographic, bar none, has been people with disabilities. I'm not suggesting that people reverse stereotype, because bad tenants exist in all demographics and you do have to screen for them. But in terms of bang for the buck, I get a bigger bang when I go after this customer group, possibly because the community is under-served.

In the lease for the property I rent out, I have a clause that the first $100 of every repair is on the tenant.  This does 2 things, 1) encourages the tenant to care for the place and not screw it up, and 2) discourages the tenant from calling me for every little thing ("Sure I'll come change your lightbulb, it will be $99 please"). 

Now, the flip side is, the last tenant I had, I had 2 things break and neither was the fault of the tenant (ejector pump and dishwasher circuit fried).  I waived the $100 fee because they were very good tenants.  And I told my latest tenants the same thing, the clause is there if I need it, but I don't intend to enforce it because once every 6 months something legitimately breaks.

Is that legal? If stuff breaks (garbage disposal, toilet, fridge, etc) a renter shouldn't have to pay a cent and it shouldn't depend on the landlord deciding to make an exception to the lease.

This.

Also, I would never sign a lease with that clause, mostly because one of the advantages of renting is that someone else is responsible for the repairs. As in, if the drain clogs, it is actually not my responsibility to fix it, it's the landlord's. Damned if I'm paying for something that's someone else's responsibility.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5059 on: August 10, 2016, 03:11:08 PM »


Also, I would never sign a lease with that clause, mostly because one of the advantages of renting is that someone else is responsible for the repairs. As in, if the drain clogs, it is actually not my responsibility to fix it, it's the landlord's. Damned if I'm paying for something that's someone else's responsibility.
Err, was it my responsibility to remove 23 tampons from the sewer pipe that my tenant put down the toilet?
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 The mailbox post was a piece of telephone pole, I knew I was going to have trouble with my new mailbox from that tenent, so, I cut a 2x6 to fit the underside of the mailbox, and used four 6" lag bolts to attach it to the telephone pole post. I the used six 3-1/2" drywall screws to attach the mailbox to the cut 2x6.
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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5060 on: August 10, 2016, 03:23:00 PM »
What I learned as a renter is ... if you get a good landlord, who doesn't raise the rent to market rates every year, be very nice.  Fix stuff around the apartment.  Don't call them for every little thing.  Those landlords are hard to find.

There's a flip side to that, though. If you get a good tenant, try to keep that person.

Everyone wants a tenant who pays the rent on time, doesn't trash the place, and who doesn't bug you about every trivial problem such as a light bulb that needs changing or the fact they're out of toilet paper, cherish this good customer. Make repairs promptly and stay accessible, but don't hover.

My best tenant demographic, bar none, has been people with disabilities. I'm not suggesting that people reverse stereotype, because bad tenants exist in all demographics and you do have to screen for them. But in terms of bang for the buck, I get a bigger bang when I go after this customer group, possibly because the community is under-served.

In the lease for the property I rent out, I have a clause that the first $100 of every repair is on the tenant.  This does 2 things, 1) encourages the tenant to care for the place and not screw it up, and 2) discourages the tenant from calling me for every little thing ("Sure I'll come change your lightbulb, it will be $99 please"). 

Now, the flip side is, the last tenant I had, I had 2 things break and neither was the fault of the tenant (ejector pump and dishwasher circuit fried).  I waived the $100 fee because they were very good tenants.  And I told my latest tenants the same thing, the clause is there if I need it, but I don't intend to enforce it because once every 6 months something legitimately breaks.

Is that legal? If stuff breaks (garbage disposal, toilet, fridge, etc) a renter shouldn't have to pay a cent and it shouldn't depend on the landlord deciding to make an exception to the lease.

In many, many jurisdictions this is not in fact legal. There are usually exceptions for when something has broken due to the tenant's purposeful actions or negligence, like the tampon story, but if it's due to normal and expected use, many states say the landlord can't charge the tenant for it. I'm assuming/hoping that Chris22 checked his local laws before putting this in the lease.

As to the benefit of discouraging the tenant from reporting "every little thing," I think that's a double-edged sword. I think it would also discourage the tenant from reporting problems that should be solved as soon as they are noticed and not procrastinated (like mold or bed bugs), and encourage DIY "fixes" that might make the problem worse or more expensive in the long run.

Like Kitsune, I would not rent an apartment if the landlord had such a clause.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5061 on: August 10, 2016, 03:25:05 PM »
In the lease for the property I rent out, I have a clause that the first $100 of every repair is on the tenant.  This does 2 things, 1) encourages the tenant to care for the place and not screw it up, and 2) discourages the tenant from calling me for every little thing ("Sure I'll come change your lightbulb, it will be $99 please"). 

Now, the flip side is, the last tenant I had, I had 2 things break and neither was the fault of the tenant (ejector pump and dishwasher circuit fried).  I waived the $100 fee because they were very good tenants.  And I told my latest tenants the same thing, the clause is there if I need it, but I don't intend to enforce it because once every 6 months something legitimately breaks.
Is that legal? If stuff breaks (garbage disposal, toilet, fridge, etc) a renter shouldn't have to pay a cent and it shouldn't depend on the landlord deciding to make an exception to the lease.

This.

Also, I would never sign a lease with that clause, mostly because one of the advantages of renting is that someone else is responsible for the repairs. As in, if the drain clogs, it is actually not my responsibility to fix it, it's the landlord's. Damned if I'm paying for something that's someone else's responsibility.
Anyone think this might discourage tenants from reporting problems, leading to cascading-damage scenarios where a minor unattended leak/crack/etc leads to huge damages?

Err, was it my responsibility to remove 23 tampons from the sewer pipe that my tenant put down the toilet?
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Most leases have exceptions for negligence. I'm reading (above) a discussion of things that happen regardless of how the tenant treats the house.
It seems like everyone who's landlorded for long enough has dealt with the kind of smug assholes you describe. No point treating everyone badly because someone is an asshole.
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« Reply #5062 on: August 10, 2016, 03:27:39 PM »
What I learned as a renter is ... if you get a good landlord, who doesn't raise the rent to market rates every year, be very nice.  Fix stuff around the apartment.  Don't call them for every little thing.  Those landlords are hard to find.

There's a flip side to that, though. If you get a good tenant, try to keep that person.

Everyone wants a tenant who pays the rent on time, doesn't trash the place, and who doesn't bug you about every trivial problem such as a light bulb that needs changing or the fact they're out of toilet paper, cherish this good customer. Make repairs promptly and stay accessible, but don't hover.

My best tenant demographic, bar none, has been people with disabilities. I'm not suggesting that people reverse stereotype, because bad tenants exist in all demographics and you do have to screen for them. But in terms of bang for the buck, I get a bigger bang when I go after this customer group, possibly because the community is under-served.

In the lease for the property I rent out, I have a clause that the first $100 of every repair is on the tenant.  This does 2 things, 1) encourages the tenant to care for the place and not screw it up, and 2) discourages the tenant from calling me for every little thing ("Sure I'll come change your lightbulb, it will be $99 please"). 

Now, the flip side is, the last tenant I had, I had 2 things break and neither was the fault of the tenant (ejector pump and dishwasher circuit fried).  I waived the $100 fee because they were very good tenants.  And I told my latest tenants the same thing, the clause is there if I need it, but I don't intend to enforce it because once every 6 months something legitimately breaks.

Is that legal? If stuff breaks (garbage disposal, toilet, fridge, etc) a renter shouldn't have to pay a cent and it shouldn't depend on the landlord deciding to make an exception to the lease.

In many, many jurisdictions this is not in fact legal. There are usually exceptions for when something has broken due to the tenant's purposeful actions or negligence, like the tampon story, but if it's due to normal and expected use, many states say the landlord can't charge the tenant for it. I'm assuming/hoping that Chris22 checked his local laws before putting this in the lease.

As to the benefit of discouraging the tenant from reporting "every little thing," I think that's a double-edged sword. I think it would also discourage the tenant from reporting problems that should be solved as soon as they are noticed and not procrastinated (like mold or bed bugs), and encourage DIY "fixes" that might make the problem worse or more expensive in the long run.

Like Kitsune, I would not rent an apartment if the landlord had such a clause.

I'm using my realtor's boilerplate lease, and it's in there.  Given that she rents tons more houses than just mine, I think she knows what she's doing.  Also have had it reviewed by my attorney, who gave it all a pass. 

So maybe things are different in IL.


Note that this is a single family house, not an apartment, and priced fairly high (~$2k/mo). 
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« Reply #5063 on: August 10, 2016, 03:34:01 PM »
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It seems like everyone who's landlorded for long enough has dealt with the kind of smug assholes you describe. No point treating everyone badly because someone is an asshole.

Landlords that act like everybody's a potential asshole tenant usually screen out the good tenants they really want. In my humble opinion, I'm pretty much the model tenant (quiet professional couple with no kids, responsible, clean, great credit, financially stable, etc.). I pretty much pick apartments based on whether I like the owner/property manager, and think they are reasonable people who won't treat me badly. Last time I chose an apartment that cost $400 more per month on this basis, and I'm leaving when my lease is up because the building was sold last month and the new property management company sucks.

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« Reply #5064 on: August 10, 2016, 03:35:14 PM »
JUST got through TheGrimSqueaker's family posts.




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« Reply #5065 on: August 10, 2016, 03:51:50 PM »
What I learned as a renter is ... if you get a good landlord, who doesn't raise the rent to market rates every year, be very nice.  Fix stuff around the apartment.  Don't call them for every little thing.  Those landlords are hard to find.

There's a flip side to that, though. If you get a good tenant, try to keep that person.

Everyone wants a tenant who pays the rent on time, doesn't trash the place, and who doesn't bug you about every trivial problem such as a light bulb that needs changing or the fact they're out of toilet paper, cherish this good customer. Make repairs promptly and stay accessible, but don't hover.

My best tenant demographic, bar none, has been people with disabilities. I'm not suggesting that people reverse stereotype, because bad tenants exist in all demographics and you do have to screen for them. But in terms of bang for the buck, I get a bigger bang when I go after this customer group, possibly because the community is under-served.

In the lease for the property I rent out, I have a clause that the first $100 of every repair is on the tenant.  This does 2 things, 1) encourages the tenant to care for the place and not screw it up, and 2) discourages the tenant from calling me for every little thing ("Sure I'll come change your lightbulb, it will be $99 please"). 

Now, the flip side is, the last tenant I had, I had 2 things break and neither was the fault of the tenant (ejector pump and dishwasher circuit fried).  I waived the $100 fee because they were very good tenants.  And I told my latest tenants the same thing, the clause is there if I need it, but I don't intend to enforce it because once every 6 months something legitimately breaks.

Is that legal? If stuff breaks (garbage disposal, toilet, fridge, etc) a renter shouldn't have to pay a cent and it shouldn't depend on the landlord deciding to make an exception to the lease.

This.

Also, I would never sign a lease with that clause, mostly because one of the advantages of renting is that someone else is responsible for the repairs. As in, if the drain clogs, it is actually not my responsibility to fix it, it's the landlord's. Damned if I'm paying for something that's someone else's responsibility.

Much depends on the kind of property you're renting. A single room in my home where two tenants share a bathroom works differently from a single family dwelling with separate metering.

A single family dwelling can come with a duty-to-maintain clause since the occupant controls the building. Not so with shared space, and if you've got a 4-plex some of the sewer pipes may be shared so it could be hard to determine whose "fault" something is. With a condo you only own things from the sheetrock in, so if you rent one out there's an entire new layer of responsibility when it comes to clogged pipes: you (or your tenant) may have to call the building manager.

Generally you can tell by looking at an appliance or window whether or not it wore out. I have yet to run across a set of state laws that allow you to bill the tenant for wear and tear related expenses since all US states have laws that derive from the UORRA. Wear and tear is a cost of doing business and should built into the rent.

When deciding whether to pay for a fix myself, I ask myself a few questions.

(1) If I were living here myself, could I have predicted or prevented this damage?
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(4) Is the work just standard maintenance related replacement of some consumable item like a light bulb or a smoke alarm battery, that any able-bodied adult is capable of doing?

If the answer to all these questions is "no", then fixing the damage isn't my tenant's fault and I make the repair. If the answer is "yes", then the tenant should do the work or pay to have it done.

For example, a door lock that stops working due to age or rust is my responsibility to fix, but a lock that has chewing gum jammed into it is not. I'll gladly show up and unclog a drain once in a blue moon, but when the same toilet clogs every 28 days and my drain snake brings up chunks of used maxi pads and plastic, I have a conversation with the tenant about what should or shouldn't be flushed. I remind my tenants to change the batteries in their smoke detectors twice a year, but unless that tenant is physically incapable of getting up on a ladder and making the fix I rely on them to do it and don't perform that maintenance myself.
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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5066 on: August 10, 2016, 03:57:48 PM »
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It seems like everyone who's landlorded for long enough has dealt with the kind of smug assholes you describe. No point treating everyone badly because someone is an asshole.

Landlords that act like everybody's a potential asshole tenant usually screen out the good tenants they really want. In my humble opinion, I'm pretty much the model tenant (quiet professional couple with no kids, responsible, clean, great credit, financially stable, etc.). I pretty much pick apartments based on whether I like the owner/property manager, and think they are reasonable people who won't treat me badly. Last time I chose an apartment that cost $400 more per month on this basis, and I'm leaving when my lease is up because the building was sold last month and the new property management company sucks.

Yeah, having a bunch of onerous clauses in your lease (legal or not) just ensures that educated people who actually read the lease won't be your tenant.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5067 on: August 10, 2016, 04:01:02 PM »
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It seems like everyone who's landlorded for long enough has dealt with the kind of smug assholes you describe. No point treating everyone badly because someone is an asshole.

Landlords that act like everybody's a potential asshole tenant usually screen out the good tenants they really want. In my humble opinion, I'm pretty much the model tenant (quiet professional couple with no kids, responsible, clean, great credit, financially stable, etc.). I pretty much pick apartments based on whether I like the owner/property manager, and think they are reasonable people who won't treat me badly. Last time I chose an apartment that cost $400 more per month on this basis, and I'm leaving when my lease is up because the building was sold last month and the new property management company sucks.

Yeah, having a bunch of onerous clauses in your lease (legal or not) just ensures that educated people who actually read the lease won't be your tenant.

This. Like, in theory, I support your right to have that clause for unreasonable tenants.

In practice, I'd read that and be like "oh great, every repair is gonna be a huge hassle that he tries to blame on me, I seriously don't wanna deal with that shit, lemme go rent somewhere else."

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5068 on: August 10, 2016, 10:52:42 PM »
Seen on Facebook:

When you get paid bi-weekly:
Week 1 = Surf and Turf
Week 2 = Ice Soup

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5069 on: August 11, 2016, 08:19:50 AM »
Seen on Facebook:

When you get paid bi-weekly:
Week 1 = Surf and Turf
Week 2 = Ice Soup
Ok, I actually laughed at 'Ice Soup'.  I used to date a girl who is pretty much the embodiment of this.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5070 on: August 11, 2016, 10:14:38 AM »
Seen on Facebook:

When you get paid bi-weekly:
Week 1 = Surf and Turf
Week 2 = Ice Soup
Ok, I actually laughed at 'Ice Soup'.  I used to date a girl who is pretty much the embodiment of this.

What they lived it up so much that they can't even afford Ramen?

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5071 on: August 11, 2016, 10:39:08 AM »
Seen on Facebook:

When you get paid bi-weekly:
Week 1 = Surf and Turf
Week 2 = Ice Soup

Snow is an excellent garnish for the latter in the winter months ;)
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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5072 on: August 11, 2016, 10:47:32 AM »
Seen on Facebook:

When you get paid bi-weekly:
Week 1 = Surf and Turf
Week 2 = Ice Soup

Snow is an excellent garnish for the latter in the winter months ;)

I prefer my snow imported from the Italian Alps.  Anything else tastes like poverty.

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« Reply #5073 on: August 11, 2016, 11:09:21 AM »
I note that you are able to say what I am thinking without the Judging Police piping up about how some empathy is lacking.  Seems there are quite a few folks who line up to shame us for saying common sense things like "free stuff = waste" for some people.

I get my share, but only take it seriously from people who walk the walk. Those who walk the walk seldom dish out much criticism unless you're paying them to do so.

Not valuing free things a universal human thing, especially if the free stuff isn't quite what the recipient needs, wants, or can use. Most likely every frugal person on this board has re-gifted or sold an unwanted present.

The thing that creates an entitlement-class parasite, rich or poor, is the fact they don't value other people. The resources they get are a direct result of sacrifices and work from somebody else, but because of their messed-up perspective they do not appreciate that fact, nor do they do what it takes to get their own.
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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5074 on: August 11, 2016, 11:49:29 AM »
I note that you are able to say what I am thinking without the Judging Police piping up about how some empathy is lacking.  Seems there are quite a few folks who line up to shame us for saying common sense things like "free stuff = waste" for some people.

I get my share, but only take it seriously from people who walk the walk. Those who walk the walk seldom dish out much criticism unless you're paying them to do so.

Not valuing free things a universal human thing, especially if the free stuff isn't quite what the recipient needs, wants, or can use. Most likely every frugal person on this board has re-gifted or sold an unwanted present.

The thing that creates an entitlement-class parasite, rich or poor, is the fact they don't value other people. The resources they get are a direct result of sacrifices and work from somebody else, but because of their messed-up perspective they do not appreciate that fact, nor do they do what it takes to get their own.

Nah people conveniently frame things such that the free things they get are rights.

You see this everywhere, people selectively defining their free stuff as a right so it's OK for them to take from others (and not feel guilty).

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5075 on: August 11, 2016, 11:57:41 AM »
I note that you are able to say what I am thinking without the Judging Police piping up about how some empathy is lacking.  Seems there are quite a few folks who line up to shame us for saying common sense things like "free stuff = waste" for some people.

I get my share, but only take it seriously from people who walk the walk. Those who walk the walk seldom dish out much criticism unless you're paying them to do so.

Not valuing free things a universal human thing, especially if the free stuff isn't quite what the recipient needs, wants, or can use. Most likely every frugal person on this board has re-gifted or sold an unwanted present.

The thing that creates an entitlement-class parasite, rich or poor, is the fact they don't value other people. The resources they get are a direct result of sacrifices and work from somebody else, but because of their messed-up perspective they do not appreciate that fact, nor do they do what it takes to get their own.

Nah people conveniently frame things such that the free things they get are rights.

You see this everywhere, people selectively defining their free stuff as a right so it's OK for them to take from others (and not feel guilty).

Exactly: it's a messed up perspective.

"People give to me because they WANT to give; I don't have to reciprocate or express gratitude because they already have had their reward."

"People give to me because I need. If they don't, that makes them a Bad Person and I'm justified in taking what I want."

"People give to me because they're trying to control me. They can go fuck themselves and I hate them, but they also should keep giving to me because they owe me."

"People give to me because they want something in exchange. But the satisfaction of enjoying the company of VIP Me is their reward, because I'm just that awesome to have around."

And so on. But you want to know the sickest part of it? The rationale they use to justify their continued taker behavior has at least some basis in fact, either now or in the past.
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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5076 on: August 11, 2016, 12:41:14 PM »
Notoriously bad with money FB friend:

Friend: "When you make food for today and forget all of it and are flat broken til tomorrow. That."
Her friend: "Can I bring you food to your work?"
Friend: "Actually the awesome folks at my Caribou heard me lamenting to a coworker and gave me my drink for free. So I have five bucks to get something at the convenience store. That should get me a microwave pot pie :D  I really appreciate you offering."

Wait...  so you weren't broke.  You had $5.  And you had no lunch so you had to spend it on Caribou?  And because the Caribou people knew you and gave you a free drink you can afford lunch now?   You can't afford to buy lunch at the end of your paycheck but you have something that you deem "my Caribou".  I...  just....  what?

She is constantly posting about all the clothes and plastic fandom paraphenalia she bought.  Literally yesterday she posted a $200 backpack that she is going to try to get the money for before the kickstarter ends.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5077 on: August 11, 2016, 01:21:40 PM »
Literally yesterday she posted a $200 backpack that she is going to try to get the money for before the kickstarter ends.

I was wondering how the heck so many Kickstarters get funded and now I know. That's one mystery to scratch off my list.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5078 on: August 11, 2016, 01:59:04 PM »
Literally yesterday she posted a $200 backpack that she is going to try to get the money for before the kickstarter ends.

I was wondering how the heck so many Kickstarters get funded and now I know. That's one mystery to scratch off my list.
I keep thinking to myself that I should come up with some stupid, overpriced product to sell on Kickstarter, but I can't bring myself to do it.
I always have a "why would anyone buy this?" thought because my brain can't fathom that some people will literally buy anything, just like a toddler would put anything in their mouth.
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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5079 on: August 11, 2016, 02:13:25 PM »
Literally yesterday she posted a $200 backpack that she is going to try to get the money for before the kickstarter ends.

I was wondering how the heck so many Kickstarters get funded and now I know. That's one mystery to scratch off my list.
I keep thinking to myself that I should come up with some stupid, overpriced product to sell on Kickstarter, but I can't bring myself to do it.
I always have a "why would anyone buy this?" thought because my brain can't fathom that some people will literally buy anything, just like a toddler would put anything in their mouth.

Welcome to my life. I'm a direct importer and nothing I bring in is something you need to have, and it boggles my mind that people actually buy this stuff. They must because our customers keep coming back to re-order them.

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« Reply #5080 on: August 11, 2016, 08:13:10 PM »
[...]
I always have a "why would anyone buy this?" thought because my brain can't fathom that some people will literally buy anything, just like a toddler would put anything in their mouth.

It just occurred to me that Kickstarter may appeal to the same psychological process that led to the boom in "As seen on TV" infomercials and products 20 years ago.

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« Reply #5081 on: August 12, 2016, 04:28:00 AM »
Literally yesterday she posted a $200 backpack that she is going to try to get the money for before the kickstarter ends.

I was wondering how the heck so many Kickstarters get funded and now I know. That's one mystery to scratch off my list.

Did the backpack come with $175 stuffed in one of its many pockets?  Asking cause I know for a fact you can get a nice JanSport backpack for less than $25 anywhere in America. Or was it a humanely raise, eco friendly, gluten free, grass fed backpack?
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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5082 on: August 12, 2016, 06:58:32 AM »
Literally yesterday she posted a $200 backpack that she is going to try to get the money for before the kickstarter ends.

I was wondering how the heck so many Kickstarters get funded and now I know. That's one mystery to scratch off my list.

Did the backpack come with $175 stuffed in one of its many pockets?  Asking cause I know for a fact you can get a nice JanSport backpack for less than $25 anywhere in America. Or was it a humanely raise, eco friendly, gluten free, grass fed backpack?

+1

This gave me a good chuckle - kudos to you!
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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5083 on: August 12, 2016, 07:18:10 AM »
Literally yesterday she posted a $200 backpack that she is going to try to get the money for before the kickstarter ends.

I was wondering how the heck so many Kickstarters get funded and now I know. That's one mystery to scratch off my list.

Did the backpack come with $175 stuffed in one of its many pockets?  Asking cause I know for a fact you can get a nice JanSport backpack for less than $25 anywhere in America. Or was it a humanely raise, eco friendly, gluten free, grass fed backpack?

+1

This gave me a good chuckle - kudos to you!

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5084 on: August 12, 2016, 07:59:31 AM »
Literally yesterday she posted a $200 backpack that she is going to try to get the money for before the kickstarter ends.

I was wondering how the heck so many Kickstarters get funded and now I know. That's one mystery to scratch off my list.

Did the backpack come with $175 stuffed in one of its many pockets?  Asking cause I know for a fact you can get a nice JanSport backpack for less than $25 anywhere in America. Or was it a humanely raise, eco friendly, gluten free, grass fed backpack?

+1

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5085 on: August 12, 2016, 08:26:00 AM »
Literally yesterday she posted a $200 backpack that she is going to try to get the money for before the kickstarter ends.

I was wondering how the heck so many Kickstarters get funded and now I know. That's one mystery to scratch off my list.

Did the backpack come with $175 stuffed in one of its many pockets?  Asking cause I know for a fact you can get a nice JanSport backpack for less than $25 anywhere in America. Or was it a humanely raise, eco friendly, gluten free, grass fed backpack?

+1

This gave me a good chuckle - kudos to you!

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5086 on: August 12, 2016, 10:06:39 AM »
Literally yesterday she posted a $200 backpack that she is going to try to get the money for before the kickstarter ends.

I was wondering how the heck so many Kickstarters get funded and now I know. That's one mystery to scratch off my list.

Did the backpack come with $175 stuffed in one of its many pockets?  Asking cause I know for a fact you can get a nice JanSport backpack for less than $25 anywhere in America. Or was it a humanely raise, eco friendly, gluten free, grass fed backpack?

+1

This gave me a good chuckle - kudos to you!

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5087 on: August 12, 2016, 06:59:35 PM »
Literally yesterday she posted a $200 backpack that she is going to try to get the money for before the kickstarter ends.

I was wondering how the heck so many Kickstarters get funded and now I know. That's one mystery to scratch off my list.

Did the backpack come with $175 stuffed in one of its many pockets?  Asking cause I know for a fact you can get a nice JanSport backpack for less than $25 anywhere in America. Or was it a humanely raise, eco friendly, gluten free, grass fed backpack?

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/peak-design/the-everyday-backpack-tote-and-sling

Nothing special at all as far as I can tell.  But it's "engineered".

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5088 on: August 13, 2016, 09:57:43 AM »
Literally yesterday she posted a $200 backpack that she is going to try to get the money for before the kickstarter ends.

I was wondering how the heck so many Kickstarters get funded and now I know. That's one mystery to scratch off my list.

Did the backpack come with $175 stuffed in one of its many pockets?  Asking cause I know for a fact you can get a nice JanSport backpack for less than $25 anywhere in America. Or was it a humanely raise, eco friendly, gluten free, grass fed backpack?

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/peak-design/the-everyday-backpack-tote-and-sling

Nothing special at all as far as I can tell.  But it's "engineered".
I dunno i just watched the video and now i want one!

Haha, I'm kidding, kinda. It does look like a sweet bag line. Geared towards photographers, which seems to be the kind of hobby that people will shell out big bucks for, even before they know if the hobby will stick.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5089 on: August 13, 2016, 01:29:17 PM »
Another half dozen colors to choose from please. ;)

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« Reply #5090 on: August 14, 2016, 09:32:14 AM »

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/peak-design/the-everyday-backpack-tote-and-sling

Nothing special at all as far as I can tell.  But it's "engineered".

It does look good and they have inserted a lot of ways to carry different items.
Problem is, I'd have to create the lifestyle to make use of it.
  Not sure I like it when the say, "We have no investors, no revenue goals"
They will have $2,792,891 of 11,858 peoples money, in a little more than 26 days.
That $2,792,891 will continue to increase during those 26 days.
 Congrats to them, their goal was $500,000 and will probably have $3,000,000
before it's over.
 

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5091 on: August 14, 2016, 09:48:57 AM »
I'm all for making fun of things - but having worked as a professional cinematographer for the past few decades I can say that $200 for a well designed gear bag is not rare at all.  I'll grant that it's a waste of money for someone who doesn't need it, much like I would never think to spend hundreds of dollars on specially designed professional cycling gear.

But if you travel with equipment for a living that bag does seem well designed and very useful.  When you make a few thousand a day off your equipment, paying a couple of hundred dollars for a bag in which to carry it can be a sound purchase.  Granted, I would be willing to bet that the majority of those backing the project are not working photographic professionals.

That said, I won't be buying one because I already have a very reliable and well made backpack that I like quite a bit (and yes, it cost me $199.95... about 8 years ago).

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5092 on: August 14, 2016, 11:08:25 AM »
The Facebook buy/sell group for my town is a gold-mine for stuff I could post to this site.  Here's one from today,

Someone posted this question

"WHERE IS THE BEST PLACE TO GET A LOAN TO BUY AN MOTORCYCLE?  The motorcycle is $800 and I can easily pay it off monthly :)"

I really hope this was a teenager..

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5093 on: August 14, 2016, 12:57:53 PM »
The Facebook buy/sell group for my town is a gold-mine for stuff I could post to this site.  Here's one from today,

Someone posted this question

"WHERE IS THE BEST PLACE TO GET A LOAN TO BUY AN MOTORCYCLE?  The motorcycle is $800 and I can easily pay it off monthly :)"

I really hope this was a teenager..

My instinct is that their grammar is awful. I think they are meaning to say that they need a loan for a motorcycle and they can easily pay back 800$ a month. I came to that conclusion simply because I'd never go near a 800$ motorcycle, let alone ride one.

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« Reply #5094 on: August 14, 2016, 01:22:42 PM »
The Facebook buy/sell group for my town is a gold-mine for stuff I could post to this site.  Here's one from today,

Someone posted this question

"WHERE IS THE BEST PLACE TO GET A LOAN TO BUY AN MOTORCYCLE?  The motorcycle is $800 and I can easily pay it off monthly :)"

I really hope this was a teenager..

My instinct is that their grammar is awful. I think they are meaning to say that they need a loan for a motorcycle and they can easily pay back 800$ a month. I came to that conclusion simply because I'd never go near a 800$ motorcycle, let alone ride one.

I've never paid more than $500 for a motorcycle...  My favorite one cost me $50.  My current one ran me $300.  Old Hondas are the best. :)
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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5095 on: August 14, 2016, 01:25:50 PM »
The Facebook buy/sell group for my town is a gold-mine for stuff I could post to this site.  Here's one from today,

Someone posted this question

"WHERE IS THE BEST PLACE TO GET A LOAN TO BUY AN MOTORCYCLE?  The motorcycle is $800 and I can easily pay it off monthly :)"

I really hope this was a teenager..

My instinct is that their grammar is awful. I think they are meaning to say that they need a loan for a motorcycle and they can easily pay back 800$ a month. I came to that conclusion simply because I'd never go near a 800$ motorcycle, let alone ride one.

Thats what i thought at first too, but no.  There are a bunch of commenters asking questions to the OP, and the OP confirmed $800 is the total cost of the bike.  ugh.

Reminds me of when i sold my old car 10 years or so ago (a 1988 Toyota Supra Turbo, asking $5600) and some dumb 18yo kid kept calling me about it insisting he was going to buy it, but needed me to meet at his bank so they could give him a loan for it.  I told him to fuck off until he had cash.  No bank in their right mind would give an 18yo a $5k loan to buy a 17 year old turbo import car, and even if they did there's no way he could afford the insurance/gas/maintenance on that thing.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5096 on: August 14, 2016, 02:03:17 PM »
I'm all for making fun of things - but having worked as a professional cinematographer for the past few decades I can say that $200 for a well designed gear bag is not rare at all.  I'll grant that it's a waste of money for someone who doesn't need it, much like I would never think to spend hundreds of dollars on specially designed professional cycling gear.

IDK what she is planning to use it for, but I'm pretty sure it's just normal backpack things.  She is a secretary and a part time actor, not a photographer or anything like that.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5097 on: August 14, 2016, 02:08:59 PM »
Reminds me of when i sold my old car 10 years or so ago (a 1988 Toyota Supra Turbo, asking $5600) and some dumb 18yo kid kept calling me about it insisting he was going to buy it, but needed me to meet at his bank so they could give him a loan for it.  I told him to fuck off until he had cash.  No bank in their right mind would give an 18yo a $5k loan to buy a 17 year old turbo import car, and even if they did there's no way he could afford the insurance/gas/maintenance on that thing.

I sold my 1991 Supra Turbo to a 20 year old in the military who was able to get a $4300 loan from his bank.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5098 on: August 14, 2016, 07:02:31 PM »
Reminds me of when i sold my old car 10 years or so ago (a 1988 Toyota Supra Turbo, asking $5600) and some dumb 18yo kid kept calling me about it insisting he was going to buy it, but needed me to meet at his bank so they could give him a loan for it.  I told him to fuck off until he had cash.  No bank in their right mind would give an 18yo a $5k loan to buy a 17 year old turbo import car, and even if they did there's no way he could afford the insurance/gas/maintenance on that thing.

I sold my 1991 Supra Turbo to a 20 year old in the military who was able to get a $4300 loan from his bank.

I guess being in the military helped with that, pretty sure the kid that wanted my car wouldn't have gotten the same respect at a bank. Anyway, even if he got the money, I wasn't keen on selling it to him, I baby my cars and got the feeling from him that it would have been wrapped around a tree within 3 weeks after he bought it.  Maybe 3 hours. 

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #5099 on: August 14, 2016, 07:04:50 PM »
Reminds me of when i sold my old car 10 years or so ago (a 1988 Toyota Supra Turbo, asking $5600) and some dumb 18yo kid kept calling me about it insisting he was going to buy it, but needed me to meet at his bank so they could give him a loan for it.  I told him to fuck off until he had cash.  No bank in their right mind would give an 18yo a $5k loan to buy a 17 year old turbo import car, and even if they did there's no way he could afford the insurance/gas/maintenance on that thing.

I sold my 1991 Supra Turbo to a 20 year old in the military who was able to get a $4300 loan from his bank.

I guess being in the military helped with that, pretty sure the kid that wanted my car wouldn't have gotten the same respect at a bank. Anyway, even if he got the money, I wasn't keen on selling it to him, I baby my cars and got the feeling from him that it would have been wrapped around a tree within 3 weeks after he bought it.  Maybe 3 hours.

3 seconds if you would have had a tree at the end of your driveway.