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« Reply #4300 on: April 22, 2016, 01:47:04 PM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

Will also make you sick as a dog for a good 48 hours, so it's really only something you take able cause plan a didn't work.

Yeah I was shocked when I heard that and became more serious about ensuring that Plan A would always be first and foremost on our minds.

The vicious side effects are not widely publicized, but so far as I know there's zero research effort being put forth to create a version without them. There's no economic incentive to do so, because women who don't want to become pregnant will take almost any risk and endure a great deal of pain and hardship. That means that investing R&D dollars in a less painful version will not result in additional product sales. Also, a couple days' worth of pain and violent illness is considered by many to be a socially acceptable punishment for a woman who does not wish to become pregnant as a result of having had sex.

Yeah, a few days of hell, $75 bucks and a low chance of success.  I'm glad it's around, but...

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« Reply #4301 on: April 22, 2016, 01:56:17 PM »
Friend on FB, "Pampering myself because it's my birthday."

I wanted to retort, 'because you don't pamper yourself already?" I see weekly posts about her getting something or another done, or going to a really nice restaurant with friends for 'girl's night out,' or other things. Meanwhile she's been out of work for a few months. I haven't seen anything about her needing money so perhaps she's saved from previous work (doubtful going on past history) or her parents are helping her.

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« Reply #4302 on: April 22, 2016, 02:00:34 PM »
Found this:
"things multiply quickly when you start buying furniture. I first got a dark aqua sectional sofa - had to have a new end table - which all looked so good I bought an awesome original pix to compliment the group - my old tv cabinet looked so shabby & overstock had the perfect one to match eveything - dark & shapely - just couldn't keep my finger off the "order" button - THE DEVIL MADE ME DO IT"

This is not something I would call Mustachian...

She clearly took the wrong lesson from "If You Give a Mouse a Cookie"

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« Reply #4303 on: April 22, 2016, 02:14:23 PM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

Will also make you sick as a dog for a good 48 hours, so it's really only something you take able cause plan a didn't work.

Yeah I was shocked when I heard that and became more serious about ensuring that Plan A would always be first and foremost on our minds.

The vicious side effects are not widely publicized, but so far as I know there's zero research effort being put forth to create a version without them. There's no economic incentive to do so, because women who don't want to become pregnant will take almost any risk and endure a great deal of pain and hardship. That means that investing R&D dollars in a less painful version will not result in additional product sales. Also, a couple days' worth of pain and violent illness is considered by many to be a socially acceptable punishment for a woman who does not wish to become pregnant as a result of having had sex.

Yeah, a few days of hell, $75 bucks and a low chance of success.  I'm glad it's around, but...

Wait where are you getting the low chance of success from?

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4304 on: April 22, 2016, 02:25:26 PM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

Will also make you sick as a dog for a good 48 hours, so it's really only something you take able cause plan a didn't work.

Yeah I was shocked when I heard that and became more serious about ensuring that Plan A would always be first and foremost on our minds.

The vicious side effects are not widely publicized, but so far as I know there's zero research effort being put forth to create a version without them. There's no economic incentive to do so, because women who don't want to become pregnant will take almost any risk and endure a great deal of pain and hardship. That means that investing R&D dollars in a less painful version will not result in additional product sales. Also, a couple days' worth of pain and violent illness is considered by many to be a socially acceptable punishment for a woman who does not wish to become pregnant as a result of having had sex.

Yeah, a few days of hell, $75 bucks and a low chance of success.  I'm glad it's around, but...

Wait where are you getting the low chance of success from?

Yeah, really not sure where that came from.

"If you take it within 72 hours after you've had unprotected sex, Plan B One-Step can reduce the risk of pregnancy by up to 89%. If you take Plan B One-Step within 24 hours, it is about 95% effective."

For me the side effects were like the worst PMS I've had in my life, complete with mood swings, nausea and headache. Makes sense considering its basically a giant dose of hormones all at once.

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« Reply #4305 on: April 22, 2016, 02:35:27 PM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

Will also make you sick as a dog for a good 48 hours, so it's really only something you take able cause plan a didn't work.

Yeah I was shocked when I heard that and became more serious about ensuring that Plan A would always be first and foremost on our minds.

The vicious side effects are not widely publicized, but so far as I know there's zero research effort being put forth to create a version without them. There's no economic incentive to do so, because women who don't want to become pregnant will take almost any risk and endure a great deal of pain and hardship. That means that investing R&D dollars in a less painful version will not result in additional product sales. Also, a couple days' worth of pain and violent illness is considered by many to be a socially acceptable punishment for a woman who does not wish to become pregnant as a result of having had sex.

Yeah it'd be great if it didn't have side effects but is this really an issue? Plan B is just a high dose of a hormone that's used in many daily BC bills. It's not a unique compound created to use as after the fact birth control. Few women are going to be using it more than a few times (I hope), so honestly what is the incentive to make it side effect free? Still less painful than actual child birth I'm sure.
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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4306 on: April 22, 2016, 02:50:36 PM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

Will also make you sick as a dog for a good 48 hours, so it's really only something you take able cause plan a didn't work.

Yeah I was shocked when I heard that and became more serious about ensuring that Plan A would always be first and foremost on our minds.

The vicious side effects are not widely publicized, but so far as I know there's zero research effort being put forth to create a version without them. There's no economic incentive to do so, because women who don't want to become pregnant will take almost any risk and endure a great deal of pain and hardship. That means that investing R&D dollars in a less painful version will not result in additional product sales. Also, a couple days' worth of pain and violent illness is considered by many to be a socially acceptable punishment for a woman who does not wish to become pregnant as a result of having had sex.

Yeah, a few days of hell, $75 bucks and a low chance of success.  I'm glad it's around, but...

Wait where are you getting the low chance of success from?

The manufacturer?  " It can prevent pregnancy if taken within 72 hours and preferably within 12 hours of unprotected sex. If you take it within 24 hours of unprotected sex, it is 95% effective. If you take it between 48 and 72 hours of unprotected sex, the efficacy rate is 61%. " http://www.planb.ca/faq.html

It's not the magic bullet people make it out to be.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4307 on: April 22, 2016, 03:09:25 PM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

Will also make you sick as a dog for a good 48 hours, so it's really only something you take able cause plan a didn't work.

Yeah I was shocked when I heard that and became more serious about ensuring that Plan A would always be first and foremost on our minds.

The vicious side effects are not widely publicized, but so far as I know there's zero research effort being put forth to create a version without them. There's no economic incentive to do so, because women who don't want to become pregnant will take almost any risk and endure a great deal of pain and hardship. That means that investing R&D dollars in a less painful version will not result in additional product sales. Also, a couple days' worth of pain and violent illness is considered by many to be a socially acceptable punishment for a woman who does not wish to become pregnant as a result of having had sex.

Yeah, a few days of hell, $75 bucks and a low chance of success.  I'm glad it's around, but...

Wait where are you getting the low chance of success from?

The manufacturer?  " It can prevent pregnancy if taken within 72 hours and preferably within 12 hours of unprotected sex. If you take it within 24 hours of unprotected sex, it is 95% effective. If you take it between 48 and 72 hours of unprotected sex, the efficacy rate is 61%. " http://www.planb.ca/faq.html

It's not the magic bullet people make it out to be.

I suppose it depends on what the definition of the word "low" is.

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4308 on: April 22, 2016, 04:03:16 PM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

Will also make you sick as a dog for a good 48 hours, so it's really only something you take able cause plan a didn't work.

Yeah I was shocked when I heard that and became more serious about ensuring that Plan A would always be first and foremost on our minds.

The vicious side effects are not widely publicized, but so far as I know there's zero research effort being put forth to create a version without them. There's no economic incentive to do so, because women who don't want to become pregnant will take almost any risk and endure a great deal of pain and hardship. That means that investing R&D dollars in a less painful version will not result in additional product sales. Also, a couple days' worth of pain and violent illness is considered by many to be a socially acceptable punishment for a woman who does not wish to become pregnant as a result of having had sex.

Yeah, a few days of hell, $75 bucks and a low chance of success.  I'm glad it's around, but...

Wait where are you getting the low chance of success from?

The manufacturer?  " It can prevent pregnancy if taken within 72 hours and preferably within 12 hours of unprotected sex. If you take it within 24 hours of unprotected sex, it is 95% effective. If you take it between 48 and 72 hours of unprotected sex, the efficacy rate is 61%. " http://www.planb.ca/faq.html

It's not the magic bullet people make it out to be.

I suppose it depends on what the definition of the word "low" is.

Yeah I'd consider 5% pretty low but I guess onlykelsey disagrees.

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« Reply #4309 on: April 22, 2016, 06:44:06 PM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

Will also make you sick as a dog for a good 48 hours, so it's really only something you take able cause plan a didn't work.

Yeah I was shocked when I heard that and became more serious about ensuring that Plan A would always be first and foremost on our minds.

The vicious side effects are not widely publicized, but so far as I know there's zero research effort being put forth to create a version without them. There's no economic incentive to do so, because women who don't want to become pregnant will take almost any risk and endure a great deal of pain and hardship. That means that investing R&D dollars in a less painful version will not result in additional product sales. Also, a couple days' worth of pain and violent illness is considered by many to be a socially acceptable punishment for a woman who does not wish to become pregnant as a result of having had sex.

Yeah, a few days of hell, $75 bucks and a low chance of success.  I'm glad it's around, but...

Wait where are you getting the low chance of success from?

The manufacturer?  " It can prevent pregnancy if taken within 72 hours and preferably within 12 hours of unprotected sex. If you take it within 24 hours of unprotected sex, it is 95% effective. If you take it between 48 and 72 hours of unprotected sex, the efficacy rate is 61%. " http://www.planb.ca/faq.html

It's not the magic bullet people make it out to be.

I suppose it depends on what the definition of the word "low" is.

Yeah I'd consider 5% pretty low but I guess onlykelsey disagrees.

95% efficacy within 24 hours is not perfect, but it definitely beats the alternative...

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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4310 on: April 22, 2016, 09:16:20 PM »
95% efficacy within 24 hours is not perfect, but it definitely beats the alternative...
Depends on how they calculate efficacy.
If there is only a 5% chance of getting pregnant from a single encounter then it can do nothing and still  be 95% effective.
If it's 95% effective at stopping the 5% risk then you only have a 99.75% chance of  a successful outcome.

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« Reply #4311 on: April 23, 2016, 08:09:02 AM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

Will also make you sick as a dog for a good 48 hours, so it's really only something you take able cause plan a didn't work.

Yeah I was shocked when I heard that and became more serious about ensuring that Plan A would always be first and foremost on our minds.

The vicious side effects are not widely publicized, but so far as I know there's zero research effort being put forth to create a version without them. There's no economic incentive to do so, because women who don't want to become pregnant will take almost any risk and endure a great deal of pain and hardship. That means that investing R&D dollars in a less painful version will not result in additional product sales. Also, a couple days' worth of pain and violent illness is considered by many to be a socially acceptable punishment for a woman who does not wish to become pregnant as a result of having had sex.

Yeah, a few days of hell, $75 bucks and a low chance of success.  I'm glad it's around, but...

Wait where are you getting the low chance of success from?

The manufacturer?  " It can prevent pregnancy if taken within 72 hours and preferably within 12 hours of unprotected sex. If you take it within 24 hours of unprotected sex, it is 95% effective. If you take it between 48 and 72 hours of unprotected sex, the efficacy rate is 61%. " http://www.planb.ca/faq.html

It's not the magic bullet people make it out to be.

I suppose it depends on what the definition of the word "low" is.

Yeah I'd consider 5% pretty low but I guess onlykelsey disagrees.

the 5% is fine, but if you're traveling/in a conservative place that makes it impossible to get Plan B/etc, the 48 and 72 hour rates are pretty terrifying to me.

Of course, no one is as protected as they think: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/09/14/sunday-review/unplanned-pregnancies.html?_r=0

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« Reply #4312 on: April 23, 2016, 09:20:52 AM »
Yeah I'd consider 5% pretty low but I guess onlykelsey disagrees.

the 5% is fine, but if you're traveling/in a conservative place that makes it impossible to get Plan B/etc, the 48 and 72 hour rates are pretty terrifying to me.

Of course, no one is as protected as they think: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/09/14/sunday-review/unplanned-pregnancies.html?_r=0

Sure but it's not the manufacturers fault that Plan B isn't readily available in some locations? It's not designed to conduct an abortion - it's designed to prevent pregnancy. If it did induce an abortion, it would be even harder to access in said locations!
Plan B does one of three things:
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  • Prevents fertilization
  • Prevents a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus
I never said that it's a magic bullet. Even if Plan B acted instantaneously after a woman took it, an egg may have already been released, gotten fertilized, and then attached to the uterus.  I even specifically said earlier
Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

And as for your link, part of that is just the nature of probability. Assuming a particular method of birth control is 99.9% effective, the chance of not getting pregnant during the next 100 times of have sex is .999^100  = 90.47%. Extended that to 1000 times and you get a mere 36.7%.

But as you can see from the plot, the problem is actually with typical use - those curves are much worse than the perfect use ones. Not that anyone can be perfect...

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« Reply #4313 on: April 23, 2016, 02:05:25 PM »
Typically, the effectiveness of contraception is described in term of annual use. So, if you're using a method that's 99.5% effective (like an implant or IUD), that means you have a 0.5% chance of pregnancy every year, not every time you have sex.

Plan B is different because it's not meant to be used all the time, just when plan A fails, so I'm not actually sure how they're measuring that effectiveness.

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« Reply #4314 on: April 24, 2016, 02:29:29 AM »
The average American woman is also too overweight for Plan B to work at this point too. Unfortunately it's ineffective in larger women.

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« Reply #4315 on: April 24, 2016, 09:38:47 AM »
The average American woman is also too overweight for Plan B to work at this point too. Unfortunately it's ineffective in larger women.

I was horrified when I read the stats about that.  It seems like there should be a larger dose or at least information about this.  I think the cut off for the studies on efficacy was something like 160 lbs.

ETA: which I think is the average weight for American women, and pretty low for tall women, I think?  I have no real sense, but I know my 6'1 female friend wears a size 2 and she's over 160.
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Re: Overheard on Facebook
« Reply #4316 on: April 24, 2016, 09:57:25 AM »
I have a facebook friend who regularly complains about money, has a small child, and works as a receptionist is buying a very expensive savannah cat.  It's a cross between a house cat and a Serval(a wild animal).  The cat costs $3000.

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« Reply #4317 on: April 24, 2016, 03:52:41 PM »
I have a facebook friend who regularly complains about money, has a small child, and works as a receptionist is buying a very expensive savannah cat.  It's a cross between a house cat and a Serval(a wild animal).  The cat costs $3000.
Oh man I hope he researched that breed or he'll be in for a surprise. And I really hope the small child has been taught how to behave with cats.
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« Reply #4318 on: April 24, 2016, 04:21:53 PM »
I have a facebook friend who regularly complains about money, has a small child, and works as a receptionist is buying a very expensive savannah cat.  It's a cross between a house cat and a Serval(a wild animal).  The cat costs $3000.


What could possibly go wrong with this idea? Small child, mostly wild predator, not enough money to provide a proper wild home for the cat... The mind boggles!

You might want to offer this link to your poor benighted friend before she makes a serious mistake.

http://bigcatrescue.org/hybrid-facts/

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« Reply #4319 on: April 24, 2016, 04:44:58 PM »
I have a facebook friend who regularly complains about money, has a small child, and works as a receptionist is buying a very expensive savannah cat.  It's a cross between a house cat and a Serval(a wild animal).  The cat costs $3000.


What could possibly go wrong with this idea? Small child, mostly wild predator, not enough money to provide a proper wild home for the cat... The mind boggles!

You might want to offer this link to your poor benighted friend before she makes a serious mistake.

http://bigcatrescue.org/hybrid-facts/

The one she is getting is 1/4 Serval and she claims to have spent the last year researching exhaustively, so hopefully she knows what she is doing.  The child is 7 or 8 so it probably won't be too messed with by the cat, I'm more concerned about their existing cat.  She's an acquaintance at best, so I doubt anything I brought up would be listened to.  Somebody commented on one of her posts about it saying "be careful, I hope you know what you are getting into" and she brushed them off.  Good articles though. 
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« Reply #4320 on: April 24, 2016, 05:10:41 PM »
I have a facebook friend who regularly complains about money, has a small child, and works as a receptionist is buying a very expensive savannah cat.  It's a cross between a house cat and a Serval(a wild animal).  The cat costs $3000.


What could possibly go wrong with this idea? Small child, mostly wild predator, not enough money to provide a proper wild home for the cat... The mind boggles!

You might want to offer this link to your poor benighted friend before she makes a serious mistake.

http://bigcatrescue.org/hybrid-facts/

The one she is getting is 1/4 Serval and she claims to have spent the last year researching exhaustively, so hopefully she knows what she is doing.  The child is 7 or 8 so it probably won't be too messed with by the cat.  She's an acquaintance at best, so I doubt anything I brought up would be listened to.  Good article though.

Did you read the part where the cats have been known to hunt old ladies and German shepherds? I'm thinking an 8 year old is probably less able to take care of himself in a fight than a German shepherd. But maybe she has a ninja 8 year old. Or is tired of having an 8 year old at all and hopes the cat kills him.

I understand your reluctance to get involved with stupid choices by acquaintances. I don't generally share my opinions with people I think are making dumb choices either. But you might want to share the article just in case she hasn't read it.

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« Reply #4321 on: April 26, 2016, 12:15:39 PM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

Will also make you sick as a dog for a good 48 hours, so it's really only something you take able cause plan a didn't work.

Yeah I was shocked when I heard that and became more serious about ensuring that Plan A would always be first and foremost on our minds.

The vicious side effects are not widely publicized, but so far as I know there's zero research effort being put forth to create a version without them. There's no economic incentive to do so, because women who don't want to become pregnant will take almost any risk and endure a great deal of pain and hardship. That means that investing R&D dollars in a less painful version will not result in additional product sales. Also, a couple days' worth of pain and violent illness is considered by many to be a socially acceptable punishment for a woman who does not wish to become pregnant as a result of having had sex.

Yeah, a few days of hell, $75 bucks and a low chance of success.  I'm glad it's around, but...

I didn't feel that terrible, maybe 95% rather than 100%. Totally manageable. Guess it depends on the person.

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« Reply #4322 on: April 26, 2016, 12:19:35 PM »
I have a facebook friend who regularly complains about money, has a small child, and works as a receptionist is buying a very expensive savannah cat.  It's a cross between a house cat and a Serval(a wild animal).  The cat costs $3000.
Oh man I hope he researched that breed or he'll be in for a surprise. And I really hope the small child has been taught how to behave with cats.

Never mind teaching the kid - that is not a domesticated animal and shouldn't be a pet at all. Stupid humans.

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« Reply #4323 on: April 26, 2016, 12:34:29 PM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

Will also make you sick as a dog for a good 48 hours, so it's really only something you take able cause plan a didn't work.

Yeah I was shocked when I heard that and became more serious about ensuring that Plan A would always be first and foremost on our minds.

The vicious side effects are not widely publicized, but so far as I know there's zero research effort being put forth to create a version without them. There's no economic incentive to do so, because women who don't want to become pregnant will take almost any risk and endure a great deal of pain and hardship. That means that investing R&D dollars in a less painful version will not result in additional product sales. Also, a couple days' worth of pain and violent illness is considered by many to be a socially acceptable punishment for a woman who does not wish to become pregnant as a result of having had sex.

Yeah, a few days of hell, $75 bucks and a low chance of success.  I'm glad it's around, but...

I didn't feel that terrible, maybe 95% rather than 100%. Totally manageable. Guess it depends on the person.
I think the problem in that it drops to 61% from 48-72hrs and in many states it is almost impossible to get within 24hrs based on the current laws.

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« Reply #4324 on: April 26, 2016, 12:42:48 PM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

Will also make you sick as a dog for a good 48 hours, so it's really only something you take able cause plan a didn't work.

Yeah I was shocked when I heard that and became more serious about ensuring that Plan A would always be first and foremost on our minds.

The vicious side effects are not widely publicized, but so far as I know there's zero research effort being put forth to create a version without them. There's no economic incentive to do so, because women who don't want to become pregnant will take almost any risk and endure a great deal of pain and hardship. That means that investing R&D dollars in a less painful version will not result in additional product sales. Also, a couple days' worth of pain and violent illness is considered by many to be a socially acceptable punishment for a woman who does not wish to become pregnant as a result of having had sex.

Yeah, a few days of hell, $75 bucks and a low chance of success.  I'm glad it's around, but...

I didn't feel that terrible, maybe 95% rather than 100%. Totally manageable. Guess it depends on the person.
I think the problem in that it drops to 61% from 48-72hrs and in many states it is almost impossible to get within 24hrs based on the current laws.

You misinterpreted Sibley. Sibley was talking about how she felt after taking Plan B (since TheGrimSquaker was talking about "the vicious side effects"). She was not talking about the success rate of Plan B.

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« Reply #4325 on: April 27, 2016, 02:33:23 AM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

Will also make you sick as a dog for a good 48 hours, so it's really only something you take able cause plan a didn't work.

Yeah I was shocked when I heard that and became more serious about ensuring that Plan A would always be first and foremost on our minds.

The vicious side effects are not widely publicized, but so far as I know there's zero research effort being put forth to create a version without them. There's no economic incentive to do so, because women who don't want to become pregnant will take almost any risk and endure a great deal of pain and hardship. That means that investing R&D dollars in a less painful version will not result in additional product sales. Also, a couple days' worth of pain and violent illness is considered by many to be a socially acceptable punishment for a woman who does not wish to become pregnant as a result of having had sex.

Yeah, a few days of hell, $75 bucks and a low chance of success.  I'm glad it's around, but...

Wait where are you getting the low chance of success from?

Yeah, really not sure where that came from.

"If you take it within 72 hours after you've had unprotected sex, Plan B One-Step can reduce the risk of pregnancy by up to 89%. If you take Plan B One-Step within 24 hours, it is about 95% effective."

For me the side effects were like the worst PMS I've had in my life, complete with mood swings, nausea and headache. Makes sense considering its basically a giant dose of hormones all at once.
Yeah, it was not as bad as my menstrual cycle. Nauseous. My mood was bad anyway from cndom breaking and needing to do something about it.

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« Reply #4326 on: April 27, 2016, 12:12:14 PM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

Will also make you sick as a dog for a good 48 hours, so it's really only something you take able cause plan a didn't work.

Yeah I was shocked when I heard that and became more serious about ensuring that Plan A would always be first and foremost on our minds.

The vicious side effects are not widely publicized, but so far as I know there's zero research effort being put forth to create a version without them. There's no economic incentive to do so, because women who don't want to become pregnant will take almost any risk and endure a great deal of pain and hardship. That means that investing R&D dollars in a less painful version will not result in additional product sales. Also, a couple days' worth of pain and violent illness is considered by many to be a socially acceptable punishment for a woman who does not wish to become pregnant as a result of having had sex.

Yeah, a few days of hell, $75 bucks and a low chance of success.  I'm glad it's around, but...

Wait where are you getting the low chance of success from?

Yeah, really not sure where that came from.

"If you take it within 72 hours after you've had unprotected sex, Plan B One-Step can reduce the risk of pregnancy by up to 89%. If you take Plan B One-Step within 24 hours, it is about 95% effective."

For me the side effects were like the worst PMS I've had in my life, complete with mood swings, nausea and headache. Makes sense considering its basically a giant dose of hormones all at once.
Yeah, it was not as bad as my menstrual cycle. Nauseous. My mood was bad anyway from cndom breaking and needing to do something about it.

Yes, I was referring to how I felt, not about the efficiency of it. Though my boyfriend felt worse (I hope), since the whole episode was 100% his preventable fault.

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« Reply #4327 on: April 27, 2016, 12:39:57 PM »
The vicious side effects are not widely publicized, but so far as I know there's zero research effort being put forth to create a version without them. There's no economic incentive to do so, because women who don't want to become pregnant will take almost any risk and endure a great deal of pain and hardship. That means that investing R&D dollars in a less painful version will not result in additional product sales. Also, a couple days' worth of pain and violent illness is considered by many to be a socially acceptable punishment for a woman who does not wish to become pregnant as a result of having had sex.

Got to love that it is socially acceptable to punish women for having sex...

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« Reply #4328 on: April 27, 2016, 01:20:51 PM »
The vicious side effects are not widely publicized, but so far as I know there's zero research effort being put forth to create a version without them. There's no economic incentive to do so, because women who don't want to become pregnant will take almost any risk and endure a great deal of pain and hardship. That means that investing R&D dollars in a less painful version will not result in additional product sales. Also, a couple days' worth of pain and violent illness is considered by many to be a socially acceptable punishment for a woman who does not wish to become pregnant as a result of having had sex.

Got to love that it is socially acceptable to punish women for having sex...

Always has been; most likely always will be. I can't help but notice that there hasn't been even so much as a squeak of complaint from the female population.

  • Some are unaware of the side effects since they have never needed the medicine.
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  • There are always the self-righteous few women who are convinced that other women are Bad People who should be punished for seeking out something that they, themselves, are convinced they will never need. (Until, of course, they need it themselves, at which point they make up a nice little story about how they, or their daughters, are the noble exception to the rule.)
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« Reply #4329 on: April 27, 2016, 02:32:57 PM »
Hmm... Plan B.  I never heard of it until I googled it. To me, Plan B is what you do when your first idea doesn't work out.

Well, yeah. Typically Plan A involves a condom (or other common forms of birth control). And Plan B is completely ineffective if the woman is pregnant when she takes it, so a pregnancy is still possible (though apparently if taken within 24 hours it's 95% effective).

Will also make you sick as a dog for a good 48 hours, so it's really only something you take able cause plan a didn't work.

Yeah I was shocked when I heard that and became more serious about ensuring that Plan A would always be first and foremost on our minds.
I've never heard this.  When I had need for a "plan b", my gyn told me to just take a few extra (can't remember, maybe one or two extra for a day or two) of my regular prescription contraceptive.  No upset stomach.  No ill effects.  I expected to feel something, but NOPE.  All was perfectly normal.  Anyway, not all contraceptives work the same way and only some pills can be used to double up for use as emergency contraception, so be sure to speak with your GYN before attempting this on your own. 
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« Reply #4330 on: April 28, 2016, 03:09:32 AM »
I've taken the morning after pill a couple of times and not had any side effects, although I know some of my friends said they felt rough afterwards.

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« Reply #4331 on: April 28, 2016, 07:07:07 AM »
I've taken the morning after pill a couple of times and not had any side effects, although I know some of my friends said they felt rough afterwards.

I've never had to take it myself, but my old roommate did - cramps of doom, headaches, some nausea. Not, like, world-ending crap, but generally feeling super run-down and 'staying on the couch with TV and advil and a hot water bottle, come get me in 2 days'. Not something I'd voluntarily sign up for.

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« Reply #4332 on: April 28, 2016, 07:29:18 AM »
I've taken the morning after pill a couple of times and not had any side effects, although I know some of my friends said they felt rough afterwards.

I've taken it once and had mild cramps. That was it. I got it the next morning from my dr, for free.  I live in Scotland, where all prescriptions are fee.
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« Reply #4333 on: April 28, 2016, 07:33:14 AM »
I've taken the morning after pill a couple of times and not had any side effects, although I know some of my friends said they felt rough afterwards.

I've taken it once and had mild cramps. That was it. I got it the next morning from my dr, for free.  I live in Scotland, where all prescriptions are fee.

Wait you need a prescription for that? Wouldn't the requirement of getting a prescription hinder women from getting the pill quickly? This seems kinda strange to me.

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« Reply #4334 on: April 28, 2016, 07:43:41 AM »
I've taken the morning after pill a couple of times and not had any side effects, although I know some of my friends said they felt rough afterwards.

I've taken it once and had mild cramps. That was it. I got it the next morning from my dr, for free.  I live in Scotland, where all prescriptions are fee.

Wait you need a prescription for that? Wouldn't the requirement of getting a prescription hinder women from getting the pill quickly? This seems kinda strange to me.

In the U.S. you needed a prescription for it until very recently.
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« Reply #4335 on: April 28, 2016, 07:51:03 AM »
I'm in England, but as far as I know, you can get the morning after pill free from most pharmacies here.

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« Reply #4336 on: April 28, 2016, 07:52:26 AM »
I've taken the morning after pill a couple of times and not had any side effects, although I know some of my friends said they felt rough afterwards.

I've taken it once and had mild cramps. That was it. I got it the next morning from my dr, for free.  I live in Scotland, where all prescriptions are fee.

Wait you need a prescription for that? Wouldn't the requirement of getting a prescription hinder women from getting the pill quickly? This seems kinda strange to me.

That was kinda the point. Now that it's no longer needing a prescription, its suggested that women keep some on hand so it is available when needed and you don't need to go crazy trying to find a pharmacy...etc

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« Reply #4337 on: April 28, 2016, 08:02:33 AM »
I've taken the morning after pill a couple of times and not had any side effects, although I know some of my friends said they felt rough afterwards.

I've never had to take it myself, but my old roommate did - cramps of doom, headaches, some nausea. Not, like, world-ending crap, but generally feeling super run-down and 'staying on the couch with TV and advil and a hot water bottle, come get me in 2 days'. Not something I'd voluntarily sign up for.

Not to derail, but...I've heard things like this before (usually regular period related), and always wondered: what exactly do you DO with the hot water bottle??

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« Reply #4338 on: April 28, 2016, 08:07:59 AM »
I've taken the morning after pill a couple of times and not had any side effects, although I know some of my friends said they felt rough afterwards.

I've never had to take it myself, but my old roommate did - cramps of doom, headaches, some nausea. Not, like, world-ending crap, but generally feeling super run-down and 'staying on the couch with TV and advil and a hot water bottle, come get me in 2 days'. Not something I'd voluntarily sign up for.

Not to derail, but...I've heard things like this before (usually regular period related), and always wondered: what exactly do you DO with the hot water bottle??

A hot water bottle is basically the same thing as an electric heating pad.  Heat soothes pain.  You place it on your uterus (or back, if that's where you get cramps) to relieve pain from cramping.

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« Reply #4339 on: April 28, 2016, 08:10:46 AM »
I'm in England, but as far as I know, you can get the morning after pill free from most pharmacies here.
Yep. All contraception is free in England, other prescriptions might be approx £8 depending on circumstances (eg cap if you need a lot in a year, free under 18, free if on certain benefits, free if pregnant etc).

It's an over the counter medication, as I understand it, so the person providing it has to check your medical history, look for any contra-indications with other medications etc. You can't just pick it up off the shelf and self-administer.

One of the mysteries to me about the distain some American's I have known had for 'socialised medicine' is that they claim they don't want the government controlling what drugs / treatments they can have access too. Yet, no-one has ever tried to legislate me out of receiving contraception or imposing vaginal ultrasounds on people requesting terminations. Doctors make the decisions. The government just pays for it (through our taxes). I'm not trying to start an argument, I just think there are misconceptions about how involved the government are in our system. And I have been constantly surprised how involved US legislators (state and federal) are in a system they don't even wholly pay for.

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« Reply #4340 on: April 28, 2016, 08:15:22 AM »
I've taken the morning after pill a couple of times and not had any side effects, although I know some of my friends said they felt rough afterwards.

I've never had to take it myself, but my old roommate did - cramps of doom, headaches, some nausea. Not, like, world-ending crap, but generally feeling super run-down and 'staying on the couch with TV and advil and a hot water bottle, come get me in 2 days'. Not something I'd voluntarily sign up for.

Not to derail, but...I've heard things like this before (usually regular period related), and always wondered: what exactly do you DO with the hot water bottle??

Fill it with super-hot water and put it on your stomach - like, lower stomach, just above the pubic bone. It helps with cramps A LOT (usually more than advil or aleve).

Bad cramps, for the men here, basically feel like having an iron railroad spike dug into the bit of skin between the hipbone and stomach (like, where the ovaries are, if you look at a diagram...) right through your stomach and into the lower back. Basically, if it's really bad, you wind up curled up around the pain in a fetal position. Advil takes a half-hour to kick in, so you take the advil (because effing OW), but the hot water bottle is a muscle relaxant that really helps the pain immediately... but once the heat goes away, the pain comes back.

Hot baths help, too - same logic.


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« Reply #4341 on: April 28, 2016, 08:15:51 AM »
I've taken the morning after pill a couple of times and not had any side effects, although I know some of my friends said they felt rough afterwards.

I've taken it once and had mild cramps. That was it. I got it the next morning from my dr, for free.  I live in Scotland, where all prescriptions are fee.

Wait you need a prescription for that? Wouldn't the requirement of getting a prescription hinder women from getting the pill quickly? This seems kinda strange to me.

In the U.S. you needed a prescription for it until very recently.

I just looked this up as I was unaware of the history of plan B.

For those 17 and older, it became available OTC back in 2009, which I certainly do not consider  "very recent"
For those under 17 it became available OTC in 2013, which could be considered very recent.
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March 23, 2009: Federal judge rules that the FDA must make Plan B available OTC to consumers 17 and older within 30 days and urges the agency to consider removing all age restrictions. Read the full text of the decision here
April 22, 2009: The FDA announces that Plan B may be sold OTC to women and men aged 17 and older
June 20, 2013: FDA approves Plan B One-Step for unrestricted sale on the shelf.


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« Reply #4342 on: April 28, 2016, 08:16:48 AM »
I've taken the morning after pill a couple of times and not had any side effects, although I know some of my friends said they felt rough afterwards.

I've taken it once and had mild cramps. That was it. I got it the next morning from my dr, for free.  I live in Scotland, where all prescriptions are fee.

Wait you need a prescription for that? Wouldn't the requirement of getting a prescription hinder women from getting the pill quickly? This seems kinda strange to me.

That was kinda the point. Now that it's no longer needing a prescription, its suggested that women keep some on hand so it is available when needed and you don't need to go crazy trying to find a pharmacy...etc

Wait why would that be the point? It would only serve to reduce the effectiveness of Plan B.

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« Reply #4343 on: April 28, 2016, 08:22:21 AM »
I've taken the morning after pill a couple of times and not had any side effects, although I know some of my friends said they felt rough afterwards.

I've taken it once and had mild cramps. That was it. I got it the next morning from my dr, for free.  I live in Scotland, where all prescriptions are fee.

Wait you need a prescription for that? Wouldn't the requirement of getting a prescription hinder women from getting the pill quickly? This seems kinda strange to me.

That was kinda the point. Now that it's no longer needing a prescription, its suggested that women keep some on hand so it is available when needed and you don't need to go crazy trying to find a pharmacy...etc

Wait why would that be the point? It would only serve to reduce the effectiveness of Plan B.

Well, if you're an evangelical christian who is convinced that it either causes abortion, or will encourage women/teens to have sex for non-procreative purposes, then making it difficult to access (or to access in time) is logical. (Note: I am NOT smearing all evangelical Christians, but in this case, the most outspoken opponents to the legalization of Plan B identified as such, so...)

I mean, it's shitty and wrong and I disagree with every aspect of it, but at least they're consistent?

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« Reply #4344 on: April 28, 2016, 08:25:13 AM »
It's an over the counter medication, as I understand it, so the person providing it has to check your medical history, look for any contra-indications with other medications etc. You can't just pick it up off the shelf and self-administer.

You're using confusing terminology here. Or maybe the British definition of over the counter is different

I have never been asked for my medical history when buying OTC medicine. I have self administered all OTC medicine I've bought.

There are sometimes OTC medicines that are stored behind the counter because they can be abused in an addictive manner. All that happens though is you ask for the medicine and they ask for your driver's license or other form of ID. Even in this case the pharmacist doesn't ask for anything more - no questions about medical history or anything like that.

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« Reply #4345 on: April 28, 2016, 08:26:52 AM »
I've taken the morning after pill a couple of times and not had any side effects, although I know some of my friends said they felt rough afterwards.

I've taken it once and had mild cramps. That was it. I got it the next morning from my dr, for free.  I live in Scotland, where all prescriptions are fee.

Wait you need a prescription for that? Wouldn't the requirement of getting a prescription hinder women from getting the pill quickly? This seems kinda strange to me.

That was kinda the point. Now that it's no longer needing a prescription, its suggested that women keep some on hand so it is available when needed and you don't need to go crazy trying to find a pharmacy...etc

Wait why would that be the point? It would only serve to reduce the effectiveness of Plan B.

Well, if you're an evangelical christian who is convinced that it either causes abortion, or will encourage women/teens to have sex for non-procreative purposes, then making it difficult to access (or to access in time) is logical. (Note: I am NOT smearing all evangelical Christians, but in this case, the most outspoken opponents to the legalization of Plan B identified as such, so...)

I mean, it's shitty and wrong and I disagree with every aspect of it, but at least they're consistent?

Ah okay. I was conflating this to actually be your opinion. My mistake.

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« Reply #4346 on: April 28, 2016, 08:53:01 AM »
It's an over the counter medication, as I understand it, so the person providing it has to check your medical history, look for any contra-indications with other medications etc. You can't just pick it up off the shelf and self-administer.

You're using confusing terminology here. Or maybe the British definition of over the counter is different

I have never been asked for my medical history when buying OTC medicine. I have self administered all OTC medicine I've bought.

There are sometimes OTC medicines that are stored behind the counter because they can be abused in an addictive manner. All that happens though is you ask for the medicine and they ask for your driver's license or other form of ID. Even in this case the pharmacist doesn't ask for anything more - no questions about medical history or anything like that.

Yeah, different usage, I think. Here you don't have to provide ID at all. You just need to answer certain questions - are you x drug? Do you have a history of y condition? (Or does the person you are buying them for).

They keep drugs that can be abused, and also ones that can be dangerous when used in conjunction with other medication behind the counter so that you have to answer these questions to get them. I'm not sure if anyone who works in the pharmacy can sell them to you - I think it may be only people with certain qualifications, though not necessarily an actual Pharmacist. I could be wrong about all this though.

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« Reply #4347 on: April 28, 2016, 09:04:44 AM »
It's an over the counter medication, as I understand it, so the person providing it has to check your medical history, look for any contra-indications with other medications etc. You can't just pick it up off the shelf and self-administer.

You're using confusing terminology here. Or maybe the British definition of over the counter is different

I have never been asked for my medical history when buying OTC medicine. I have self administered all OTC medicine I've bought.

There are sometimes OTC medicines that are stored behind the counter because they can be abused in an addictive manner. All that happens though is you ask for the medicine and they ask for your driver's license or other form of ID. Even in this case the pharmacist doesn't ask for anything more - no questions about medical history or anything like that.

Yeah, different usage, I think. Here you don't have to provide ID at all. You just need to answer certain questions - are you x drug? Do you have a history of y condition? (Or does the person you are buying them for).

They keep drugs that can be abused, and also ones that can be dangerous when used in conjunction with other medication behind the counter so that you have to answer these questions to get them. I'm not sure if anyone who works in the pharmacy can sell them to you - I think it may be only people with certain qualifications, though not necessarily an actual Pharmacist. I could be wrong about all this though.

Just to clarify, the vast majority of OTC meds here do not need an ID. And none require a questionnaire.

As an American having to answer questions about my medical history to buy an OTC medicine is strange.

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« Reply #4348 on: April 28, 2016, 09:05:47 AM »
Ok, wait. The only drugs my pharmacy stores behind the counter are (1) actual need-a-prescription drugs and (2) pseudoephedrine because it's used to make meth. Plan B used to be over-the-counter but age restricted, so it was behind the counter and no longer is.

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« Reply #4349 on: April 28, 2016, 09:09:39 AM »
It's an over the counter medication, as I understand it, so the person providing it has to check your medical history, look for any contra-indications with other medications etc. You can't just pick it up off the shelf and self-administer.

You're using confusing terminology here. Or maybe the British definition of over the counter is different

I have never been asked for my medical history when buying OTC medicine. I have self administered all OTC medicine I've bought.

There are sometimes OTC medicines that are stored behind the counter because they can be abused in an addictive manner. All that happens though is you ask for the medicine and they ask for your driver's license or other form of ID. Even in this case the pharmacist doesn't ask for anything more - no questions about medical history or anything like that.

Yeah, different usage, I think. Here you don't have to provide ID at all. You just need to answer certain questions - are you x drug? Do you have a history of y condition? (Or does the person you are buying them for).

They keep drugs that can be abused, and also ones that can be dangerous when used in conjunction with other medication behind the counter so that you have to answer these questions to get them. I'm not sure if anyone who works in the pharmacy can sell them to you - I think it may be only people with certain qualifications, though not necessarily an actual Pharmacist. I could be wrong about all this though.

For the US "over the counter" are the things that are NOT "behind the counter".  You do not need to talk to a pharmacist at all to get an OTC medicine, you just go pick it off the shelf.   So there is no drug counseling to see if you have any interactions or condition histories- that only happens with prescription medicine.

The exception is drugs that can easily be used to make meth.  Those still require no prescription, but the sales are monitored. That is where you have to show someone in the pharmacy department your ID, and the number is written down for the state to monitor, and there might be a limit to how much you can buy at one time- but the pharmacist doesn't talk to you about it, or restrict the individual sale to only someone with a condition that needs it.