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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9900 on: August 09, 2015, 10:02:13 AM »
I learn a lot here. Including that in some areas people have been popping collars post-James Spader teenage villain 80s movies.

Lol, libraries are for the poors. Great response!

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9901 on: August 09, 2015, 10:22:34 AM »
One of my friends once told me that he never goes to the library because libraries are for unattended schoolchildren and hobos.

"Ass-tat" interview answer guy would not be hired by me. To put this in context, when I had a co-worked moon me with his yellow smiley face ass-tat, I thought it was hilarious because, in the particular situation we were in, it was hilarious. So it's not that I'm uptight or don't think it's funny, it's just that he gave such an obviously terribly inappropriate response given the situation. I agree that he is probably a "small head" (love that phrase, by the way.)

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9902 on: August 09, 2015, 05:15:40 PM »
I actually just went to get a (hot) coffee and switched over to an open office in another building because it was so damn cold in my seating area. I would have just went home but I don't want to push it. I'll take a bit of fresh air and different atmosphere, but seriously, when people have to bring in hoodie's because they're so cold and it's 90+ outside, there's an issue.  I'm going to wear a bright plaid flannel tomorrow since my light hoodie isn't enough.
A few years back, my firm gave a bunch of us nice black fleece jackets with a small print of our logo on the breast.  Several of us ladies keep them in the office to put on over our sweaters while we work!

I too have to wear a hoodie or sweater at work. My current place a thick hoodie is enough, but a job I worked a few years ago there was a row of us who brought in thick hats, mittens, and parkas because it was so flipping cold. And no, it wasn't just the ladies!

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9903 on: August 10, 2015, 10:44:58 AM »
If I can veer off the current topic and back to the original thread (hah), I have a small gem from work. I work for a big technical company and most of us are engineers making good money, so usually people don't talk about money or behave too absurdly. I was talking with a friend at work a little while ago about how I would like to figure out a way to spend less on groceries each month. With genuine interest and curiosity he asked "what do you want to spend that money on instead?" I replied "I want to save it". His response was a puzzled look and something along the lines of "why would you want to do that?"

I really like this friend who is very smart and fun but somehow money is a subject where we are light years apart. He has made comments on the order of "only 35 more years!" when I joke that I don't want to work anymore. I can only conclude that while we are all smart and are good with math, upbringing as a kid makes an enormous impact on how each of us approach money as adults.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9904 on: August 10, 2015, 11:06:30 AM »
Another original thread topic for my first post ....
Working at a large software vendor where people are generally well compensated, a popular CW is holding court at lunch with a full table of CW's.  He is going on about having just paid his son's college tuition and sums it up by saying " ... I just pulled the $$ from my 401K .... because that's what its for .....".
There were a number of young CW's at the table so I spoke up immediately and said no, that's not what it is for.  I realize you are doing what you need to do but do not for a minute think that this is the best option. 

I am actually very good friends with the CW who said this but money is a topic in which we are miles apart.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9905 on: August 10, 2015, 11:15:38 AM »
You will all think I'm making this up but.... Stereotypical encounter on the train commute home the other day.

This lady was venting to some poor dude because she has to kick in more than she thought to pay for healthcare for her live-in nanny. The overage will total about $100 a month. She then proceeded to talk about how she has cut costs just about everywhere she can before unleashing the kicker of "What am I supposed to do, get rid of cable??? get rid of my cell phone?!? No way!" (I swear this is as close to exact as I can remember). She then proceeds to talk about how she and her husband have been good because they barely go out to eat, but then talked about dropping $300 every time they do and saving money by going to the bar and *only* spending $50 per person...

We get off at the same stop, she puts away her iPhone, climbs up into her newish 8-person SUV, and proceeds to go drive over the line of cars between her and exit - monster truck style (I may have embellished the last part) 



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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9906 on: August 10, 2015, 11:23:04 AM »
Anyone else's company have 401k contributions as part of a whole % (no decimal place)?

Now, I'm not able to put away the entire 18k this year, but would like to be there soon. I asked HR if there was a way for us to have an input of actual dollars instead, and they said "it's out of our hands." I contact fidelity "it's out of our hands." Well, who's hands actually hold this?

Assuming I get a raise, then I'm going to have to re-calculate what I should be inputting into my 401k and I'll have to time it successfully (have the change go in place after the pay is increased and in between pay periods). On top of that, whole % doesn't let me get exactly to 18k on the dot.

My co-workers couldn't understand what I was talking about. HR lady thought I was a nut for even mentioning fully funding my 401k.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9907 on: August 10, 2015, 11:49:08 AM »
Anyone else's company have 401k contributions as part of a whole % (no decimal place)?

Now, I'm not able to put away the entire 18k this year, but would like to be there soon. I asked HR if there was a way for us to have an input of actual dollars instead, and they said "it's out of our hands." I contact fidelity "it's out of our hands." Well, who's hands actually hold this?

Assuming I get a raise, then I'm going to have to re-calculate what I should be inputting into my 401k and I'll have to time it successfully (have the change go in place after the pay is increased and in between pay periods). On top of that, whole % doesn't let me get exactly to 18k on the dot.

My co-workers couldn't understand what I was talking about. HR lady thought I was a nut for even mentioning fully funding my 401k.
Your company *should* stop contributions when you reach the annual limit.  So if you want to max, set your contributions for the % that will just exceed the limit.  Your last paycheck of the year will (should) have only enough taken out to reach the limit.  This is what I do.  We can set a $ amount, but I only update that once per year if limits change.  When it doesn't divide evenly (like this year:  18k/27 paychecks), I set it a bit too high and the last paycheck fixes it.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9908 on: August 10, 2015, 11:50:21 AM »
Anyone else's company have 401k contributions as part of a whole % (no decimal place)?

Now, I'm not able to put away the entire 18k this year, but would like to be there soon. I asked HR if there was a way for us to have an input of actual dollars instead, and they said "it's out of our hands." I contact fidelity "it's out of our hands." Well, who's hands actually hold this?

Assuming I get a raise, then I'm going to have to re-calculate what I should be inputting into my 401k and I'll have to time it successfully (have the change go in place after the pay is increased and in between pay periods). On top of that, whole % doesn't let me get exactly to 18k on the dot.

My co-workers couldn't understand what I was talking about. HR lady thought I was a nut for even mentioning fully funding my 401k.

Technically you don't have to, just put in whatever % you want and when they hit the max they'll stop deducting from your paycheck.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9909 on: August 10, 2015, 11:58:18 AM »
Yup, but you might want to pay attention: sometimes companies (like where I work) match on a per-paycheck basis.
So if I reached the limit say by September, I would lose their match for October November and December.
So I just do $18.000/my salary and round it in a way that guarantees I get all the free money

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9910 on: August 10, 2015, 12:03:35 PM »
Is there a way you could put in X% for most of the months and then change the election at the end of the year to Y%?  At least that would get you closer to the full 18k, then if you picked one percent and stuck all year? And since your percent is likely to be way higher than any match, you wouldn't lose a match by maxing the contribution early in the year?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9911 on: August 10, 2015, 12:21:12 PM »
Bonus payments also tend to screw it all up as well haha. Remember, you need to leave at least the match % worth for the last paycheck if you have the typical version. You can always put the last check up to 100% so you finish the max out. If it's set up right, you should end up with what's left after maxing.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9912 on: August 10, 2015, 12:24:03 PM »
Anyone else's company have 401k contributions as part of a whole % (no decimal place)?

Now, I'm not able to put away the entire 18k this year, but would like to be there soon. I asked HR if there was a way for us to have an input of actual dollars instead, and they said "it's out of our hands." I contact fidelity "it's out of our hands." Well, who's hands actually hold this?

Assuming I get a raise, then I'm going to have to re-calculate what I should be inputting into my 401k and I'll have to time it successfully (have the change go in place after the pay is increased and in between pay periods). On top of that, whole % doesn't let me get exactly to 18k on the dot.

My co-workers couldn't understand what I was talking about. HR lady thought I was a nut for even mentioning fully funding my 401k.

Technically you don't have to, just put in whatever % you want and when they hit the max they'll stop deducting from your paycheck.

You can continue contributions to a 401k after the max (not sure why you'd do this).  The last two places I've been I had to warn payroll that I was getting close to the max so they could make sure that on the last paycheck only the amount needed to hit it got contributed, but they said they I had to let them know for them to do it.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9913 on: August 10, 2015, 12:39:56 PM »

Suits, shirts and ties have been slowly dying out in offices and I can definitely see it dying out completely in the future as there is no real comfort in wearing a suit. Polo shirts/short sleeve shirts are the natural progression. Shoes have been progressing gradually as well.

So what's basic? It really depends on your environment in my opinion.

I occasionally wear a suit, a shirt and tie most days even though I'm a programmer and can get away with shorts and sandals.  After watching Mad Men, I wouldn't mind wearing a suit every day if I could drink at the office.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9914 on: August 10, 2015, 12:47:20 PM »
I not only can drink at the office, I have five bottles sitting on my desk, and a couple glasses.

Nobody makes me wear a suit.

(OGD114, Wathen's, JD Single Barrel [yes, believe it or not], balvenie 14, and tonala extra anejo. So it's like mad men, but with better alcohol, and less alcoholism.)

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9915 on: August 10, 2015, 01:12:35 PM »
I don't think the fact that, on average, Americans overuse air conditioning can possibly be up for debate.
I travel a lot for work and every time I enter in a hotel room it's like I open the fridge door.
I see many girls in offices with HEATERS.
In the summer.

But, short sleeve shirts should be a constitutional crime against style, possibly punishable by death.
Wear a polo.

Sorry, my Italian genes obliged me to say this.

back when I lived in Italy I discovered that many downtown office buildings actually had windows that would open - and open they were. At the time (in the south) people were not very keen on air conditioning.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9916 on: August 10, 2015, 01:23:25 PM »
It's still the case today, few places will use air conditioning, and none to the extent that we use it here in the U.S.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9917 on: August 10, 2015, 03:25:40 PM »
In the next year or so, I might buy this:



Go ahead, talk shit, I can take it.

That colour of blue would look lovely on a bicycle.

At least it gets about 30 mpg highway if driven sensibly. Better than my four cylinder grocery getter which isn't geared well for interstate travel like the 'Vette.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9918 on: August 10, 2015, 03:29:22 PM »
Anyone else's company have 401k contributions as part of a whole %

Wow, what a pain. My wife's 401k actually let's them choose a fixed dollar amount per paycheck, which makes the math much easier. I don't know why more places don't offer that - it seems like it would be simpler for everyone.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9919 on: August 10, 2015, 04:08:26 PM »


Is this a mustachian sportscar ? - it's built by Subaru so it will last >20years and does 25/35 mpg
Although you can't put 8x4 sheets of drywall in the back.
Mustachian sports car is probably a mazda miata since they are so readily available used.  The toyotaburu  (frs/brz)   might be a good choice in a few years when a bigger used market is available.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9920 on: August 10, 2015, 04:11:06 PM »


Is this a mustachian sportscar ? - it's built by Subaru so it will last >20years and does 25/35 mpg
Although you can't put 8x4 sheets of drywall in the back.
Mustachian sports car is probably a mazda miata since they are so readily available used.  The toyotaburu  (frs/brz)   might be a good choice in a few years when a bigger used market is available.
Scratch that.  Mustachian sports car =
Brown Manual Diesel Wagon.

:: sits back and sees if anyone outs themselves.
« Last Edit: August 10, 2015, 04:20:05 PM by throwerm72 »

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9921 on: August 10, 2015, 04:21:10 PM »
Anyone else's company have 401k contributions as part of a whole %

Wow, what a pain. My wife's 401k actually let's them choose a fixed dollar amount per paycheck, which makes the math much easier. I don't know why more places don't offer that - it seems like it would be simpler for everyone.
We have it where we set a fixed dollar amount and everybody gets all pissy that they can't do a %. They want it this way so they put more in on months when we get a crap load of overtime and then less on regular months. Also that way the govment don't get their hands on it. I've tried to explain to them but get nowhere. I guess atleast they are wanting to save more, although in a fairly in efficient way.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9922 on: August 10, 2015, 04:34:06 PM »
I work in a sales division and we were suppose to get quarterly bonuses at the end of July, but payroll made a mistake so they won't be issued until this Friday.

A couple of coworkers started freaking out and even saying horrifying things like, "I just bought $5,000 worth of Loui Vuitton luggage and was counting on that money to pay rent!".

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9923 on: August 10, 2015, 04:57:57 PM »

A couple of coworkers started freaking out and even saying horrifying things like, "I just bought $5,000 worth of Loui Vuitton luggage and was counting on that money to pay rent!".

In my head, I would likely have thought, 'You spent how much on luggage? Oh wait, it's Loui Vuitton, in that case...I'll make sure you get your bonus right away. We can't you inconvenienced....'

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9924 on: August 10, 2015, 05:04:07 PM »
I work in a sales division and we were suppose to get quarterly bonuses at the end of July, but payroll made a mistake so they won't be issued until this Friday.

A couple of coworkers started freaking out and even saying horrifying things like, "I just bought $5,000 worth of Loui Vuitton luggage and was counting on that money to pay rent!".
Wow, talk about a case of counting your chickens before they hatch. I'm sure the extra few days/weeks of the luggage's utility was well worth it though.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9925 on: August 10, 2015, 05:30:28 PM »
In the next year or so, I might buy this:



Go ahead, talk shit, I can take it.

At least it gets about 30 mpg highway if driven sensibly. Better than my four cylinder grocery getter which isn't geared well for interstate travel like the 'Vette.

Yeah, I do a lot of road tripping... let's see; 7k in 2012, 12k in 2013, 12k in 2014, and this year is anomalous with only 2500 miles of legit road trip, but the year ain't over yet, and I'll probably put another 3k during thanksgiving.

The last thing I want to do it with is with a little tiny screaming 4-banger.

But it's not like I have any issues doing it with my current car. Except, you know, mechanical, but I have a combination of bad luck, kinda shitty build quality / design, and just sheer mileage and statistics.

Ironically, it would be _more efficient_ than my current 25-27 highway mpg at ~75mph.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9926 on: August 10, 2015, 05:43:01 PM »
Anyone else's company have 401k contributions as part of a whole %

Wow, what a pain. My wife's 401k actually let's them choose a fixed dollar amount per paycheck, which makes the math much easier. I don't know why more places don't offer that - it seems like it would be simpler for everyone.
We have it where we set a fixed dollar amount and everybody gets all pissy that they can't do a %. ...
I wish I could do a percent! I put my whole check into my 403b, then switch to the 457 when the 403b is maxed out. And the following year, I do it in reverse so I only have to fill out paperwork once. But the dollar amount is per month, not paycheck so when we get a month with 3 paychecks the third check has no deductions. So annoying to be forced to have take home pay when I want it stashed for later.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9927 on: August 10, 2015, 06:56:15 PM »
I work in a sales division and we were suppose to get quarterly bonuses at the end of July, but payroll made a mistake so they won't be issued until this Friday.

A couple of coworkers started freaking out and even saying horrifying things like, "I just bought $5,000 worth of Loui Vuitton luggage and was counting on that money to pay rent!".

$5K worth of luggage that some baggage handler will throw on and off of luggage carts or conveyor belts. I'm not owning that kind of luggage unless someone is carefully placing it in the trunk of my Rolls-Royce. Since that isn't happening I'm sticking with my JC Penney luggage.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9928 on: August 10, 2015, 07:27:20 PM »


Is this a mustachian sportscar ? - it's built by Subaru so it will last >20years and does 25/35 mpg
Although you can't put 8x4 sheets of drywall in the back.
Mustachian sports car is probably a mazda miata since they are so readily available used.  The toyotaburu  (frs/brz)   might be a good choice in a few years when a bigger used market is available.
Scratch that.  Mustachian sports car =
Brown Manual Diesel Wagon.

:: sits back and sees if anyone outs themselves.

Nope, I read Jalop but I'm a TTAC'er.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9929 on: August 10, 2015, 08:15:06 PM »


Is this a mustachian sportscar ? - it's built by Subaru so it will last >20years and does 25/35 mpg
Although you can't put 8x4 sheets of drywall in the back.
Mustachian sports car is probably a mazda miata since they are so readily available used.  The toyotaburu  (frs/brz)   might be a good choice in a few years when a bigger used market is available.
Scratch that.  Mustachian sports car =
Brown Manual Diesel Wagon.

:: sits back and sees if anyone outs themselves.

Nope, I read Jalop but I'm a TTAC'er.

I own a Subaru BRZ. I've averaged 33 mpg over about 15k miles (about 50/50 city/hwy driving). If you're looking for a lightweight, non-convertible with rear-wheel drive and a manual transmission it is hard to beat. [edit] It is surprisingly practical too. I've made many trips to Costco with it. [/edit]

I also read Jalopnik, but prefer TTAC as well.
« Last Edit: August 10, 2015, 08:16:56 PM by RWD »

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9930 on: August 10, 2015, 08:17:14 PM »


Is this a mustachian sportscar ? - it's built by Subaru so it will last >20years and does 25/35 mpg
Although you can't put 8x4 sheets of drywall in the back.
Mustachian sports car is probably a mazda miata since they are so readily available used.  The toyotaburu  (frs/brz)   might be a good choice in a few years when a bigger used market is available.
Scratch that.  Mustachian sports car =
Brown Manual Diesel Wagon.

:: sits back and sees if anyone outs themselves.

Nope, I read Jalop but I'm a TTAC'er.

I LOVE TTAC!

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9931 on: August 10, 2015, 09:06:39 PM »
Back to the original topic:

Well paid co-workers complaining about the cost of gap health insurance that they need in order to cover the $1500 health deductible. Yes, a health insurance plan to cover the health insurance plan deductible for the additional cost of $30/mth.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9932 on: August 10, 2015, 09:09:16 PM »
That seems like a bad deal for the insurer.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9933 on: August 10, 2015, 09:27:22 PM »
^My guess is that they have done the math and worked it out based upon many people not making any claims. And if it turns out to be a bad deal for the insurer, they will quickly up the premium for next year.

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I work in a sales division and we were suppose to get quarterly bonuses at the end of July, but payroll made a mistake so they won't be issued until this Friday.

A couple of coworkers started freaking out and even saying horrifying things like, "I just bought $5,000 worth of Loui Vuitton luggage and was counting on that money to pay rent!".

I'm somewhat sympathetic to this one (okay, not the item bought, but the general idea of expecting to be paid precisely when told you will be paid.) I was also supposed to get an extra large check in July that didn't get processed on time due to some bureaucracy. Yes, I can wait until the end of August to see that money (because we only get paid monthly), but it is annoying even though it isn't already spent. Yes, I can move money out of savings to cover everything if a check is short, but I prefer to just be paid when I am supposed to be paid according to the agreement I made with them.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9934 on: August 11, 2015, 06:00:42 AM »
Anyone else's company have 401k contributions as part of a whole %

Wow, what a pain. My wife's 401k actually let's them choose a fixed dollar amount per paycheck, which makes the math much easier. I don't know why more places don't offer that - it seems like it would be simpler for everyone.

If I had to guess it's to dumb it down for the end user. When you see a dollar value, you think of all the ways you could have spent it. If you only see a percentage, it's much more abstract. But I want my dollar!

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9935 on: August 11, 2015, 06:01:29 AM »
I'm actually in software and this kid fits what we would call a "little-head" (rosh katan, from Hebrew) type. The kind of person who follows an instruction to the letter but refuses to honor the spirit of it. You know, the funny guy who answers "Yes, I do" when you ask him "do you have the time?"

These types usually perform just good enough. You ask the person to fix a bug in the software and they go and fix that bug, AND THAT BUG ONLY.  In reality, there are probably more bugs in that particular part of the sotware that anyone who looks closely enough can see and should be able to fix. The best performers either go look for similar bugs in the entire body of code and come up with a fix for all of them or at least fix all similar bugs in the immediate vicinity.

We don't like these "little-head" types. So, no. The guy who answered "ass-tat" doesn't get hired. And in my experience he doesn't have the drive to go start the next Google.

What you're deriding is actually a pretty valuable skill to have in software.  Most legacy code is chock full of bugs, maintaining it is a nightmare.  Small bugs that aren't causing problem reports from end users aren't problems that need to be fixed.  If you're given money to fix an issue, you shouldn't be wasting budget working on other stuff.  You should focus only on the issue.  Randomly checking through the code as a make work project would get you fired from many places, and is a sign of the worst performers I've worked with.  These are the guys who get a 40 hour budget to solve a problem and charge up 300 hours on it.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9936 on: August 11, 2015, 06:42:36 AM »
I'm actually in software and this kid fits what we would call a "little-head" (rosh katan, from Hebrew) type. The kind of person who follows an instruction to the letter but refuses to honor the spirit of it. You know, the funny guy who answers "Yes, I do" when you ask him "do you have the time?"

These types usually perform just good enough. You ask the person to fix a bug in the software and they go and fix that bug, AND THAT BUG ONLY.  In reality, there are probably more bugs in that particular part of the sotware that anyone who looks closely enough can see and should be able to fix. The best performers either go look for similar bugs in the entire body of code and come up with a fix for all of them or at least fix all similar bugs in the immediate vicinity.

We don't like these "little-head" types. So, no. The guy who answered "ass-tat" doesn't get hired. And in my experience he doesn't have the drive to go start the next Google.

What you're deriding is actually a pretty valuable skill to have in software.  Most legacy code is chock full of bugs, maintaining it is a nightmare.  Small bugs that aren't causing problem reports from end users aren't problems that need to be fixed.  If you're given money to fix an issue, you shouldn't be wasting budget working on other stuff.  You should focus only on the issue.  Randomly checking through the code as a make work project would get you fired from many places, and is a sign of the worst performers I've worked with.  These are the guys who get a 40 hour budget to solve a problem and charge up 300 hours on it.
I've seen scripts that had not only bugs but actual glaringly obvious syntax errors. When I was young and naive, I fixed one of those syntax errors. I was quite happy with myself until a user told me that the script now did not do any more what it was supposed to. So, yeah, I don't fix shit unless it leads to problems. It's too probable that the fix will just break something else.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9937 on: August 11, 2015, 07:10:14 AM »
I'm actually in software and this kid fits what we would call a "little-head" (rosh katan, from Hebrew) type. The kind of person who follows an instruction to the letter but refuses to honor the spirit of it. You know, the funny guy who answers "Yes, I do" when you ask him "do you have the time?"

These types usually perform just good enough. You ask the person to fix a bug in the software and they go and fix that bug, AND THAT BUG ONLY.  In reality, there are probably more bugs in that particular part of the sotware that anyone who looks closely enough can see and should be able to fix. The best performers either go look for similar bugs in the entire body of code and come up with a fix for all of them or at least fix all similar bugs in the immediate vicinity.

We don't like these "little-head" types. So, no. The guy who answered "ass-tat" doesn't get hired. And in my experience he doesn't have the drive to go start the next Google.

What you're deriding is actually a pretty valuable skill to have in software.  Most legacy code is chock full of bugs, maintaining it is a nightmare.  Small bugs that aren't causing problem reports from end users aren't problems that need to be fixed.  If you're given money to fix an issue, you shouldn't be wasting budget working on other stuff.  You should focus only on the issue.  Randomly checking through the code as a make work project would get you fired from many places, and is a sign of the worst performers I've worked with.  These are the guys who get a 40 hour budget to solve a problem and charge up 300 hours on it.
I've seen scripts that had not only bugs but actual glaringly obvious syntax errors. When I was young and naive, I fixed one of those syntax errors. I was quite happy with myself until a user told me that the script now did not do any more what it was supposed to. So, yeah, I don't fix shit unless it leads to problems. It's too probable that the fix will just break something else.

+ 1 for the last two responses.  There are few things more annoying at work than a "do-gooder" coder who decides that his/her interpretation of what some legacy piece of code SHOULD be doing must be correct and reworks it, only to mistakenly alter the functionality.  A close second are the ones who constantly want to refactor perfectly functional and tested code because the old code isn't in the latest flavor-of-the-week framework.  Both are complete wastes of time and money.

Even if I found their comment humorous, I still wouldn't hire anyone who told me about their ass-tat while I was interviewing them.  As others have pointed out, if they can't behave in a very structured formal setting such as a job interview, how can I trust their judgment when they are talking to clients or even their co-workers.  It's an HR nightmare waiting to happen.  Maybe someone that 'free spirited' would fit in at a startup where HR is just some imaginary thing that they are sure they don't need, but not in a Fortune 100 company where HR is vigilant due to fear of lawsuits.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9938 on: August 11, 2015, 07:51:53 AM »
I'm actually in software and this kid fits what we would call a "little-head" (rosh katan, from Hebrew) type. The kind of person who follows an instruction to the letter but refuses to honor the spirit of it. You know, the funny guy who answers "Yes, I do" when you ask him "do you have the time?"

These types usually perform just good enough. You ask the person to fix a bug in the software and they go and fix that bug, AND THAT BUG ONLY.  In reality, there are probably more bugs in that particular part of the sotware that anyone who looks closely enough can see and should be able to fix. The best performers either go look for similar bugs in the entire body of code and come up with a fix for all of them or at least fix all similar bugs in the immediate vicinity.

We don't like these "little-head" types. So, no. The guy who answered "ass-tat" doesn't get hired. And in my experience he doesn't have the drive to go start the next Google.

You got all that from a reported story in which the subject said two words? (if a hyphenated word is two words?). Wow.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9939 on: August 11, 2015, 10:19:40 AM »
I'm actually in software and this kid fits what we would call a "little-head" (rosh katan, from Hebrew) type. The kind of person who follows an instruction to the letter but refuses to honor the spirit of it. You know, the funny guy who answers "Yes, I do" when you ask him "do you have the time?"

These types usually perform just good enough. You ask the person to fix a bug in the software and they go and fix that bug, AND THAT BUG ONLY.  In reality, there are probably more bugs in that particular part of the sotware that anyone who looks closely enough can see and should be able to fix. The best performers either go look for similar bugs in the entire body of code and come up with a fix for all of them or at least fix all similar bugs in the immediate vicinity.

We don't like these "little-head" types. So, no. The guy who answered "ass-tat" doesn't get hired. And in my experience he doesn't have the drive to go start the next Google.

You got all that from a reported story in which the subject said two words? (if a hyphenated word is two words?). Wow.

Yeah, the business HR world is full of those snap judgements. Some are valid but way too many are BS. I can trace my decision NOT to get a civilian job during Army retirement transition training. The job interview class gave those "don'ts" ranging from OK to BS. The actual tipping point: "Don't wear loafers to the interview."

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9940 on: August 11, 2015, 11:36:31 AM »
Anyone else's company have 401k contributions as part of a whole %

Wow, what a pain. My wife's 401k actually let's them choose a fixed dollar amount per paycheck, which makes the math much easier. I don't know why more places don't offer that - it seems like it would be simpler for everyone.

If I had to guess it's to dumb it down for the end user. When you see a dollar value, you think of all the ways you could have spent it. If you only see a percentage, it's much more abstract. But I want my dollar!

Agreed it's dumbed down but think percentage is more common because typically employers match on percentage not $ amount (i.e.  employee puts in 5% of pay, employer puts in equivalent of 3.5%).  So the percentage makes sense if you're only trying to maximize the employer's match. For most here though we're trying to max total contributions. I know I'd like the option to have a set $ amount withheld.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9941 on: August 11, 2015, 12:05:17 PM »
Anyone else's company have 401k contributions as part of a whole %

Wow, what a pain. My wife's 401k actually let's them choose a fixed dollar amount per paycheck, which makes the math much easier. I don't know why more places don't offer that - it seems like it would be simpler for everyone.

If I had to guess it's to dumb it down for the end user. When you see a dollar value, you think of all the ways you could have spent it. If you only see a percentage, it's much more abstract. But I want my dollar!

Agreed it's dumbed down but think percentage is more common because typically employers match on percentage not $ amount (i.e.  employee puts in 5% of pay, employer puts in equivalent of 3.5%).  So the percentage makes sense if you're only trying to maximize the employer's match. For most here though we're trying to max total contributions. I know I'd like the option to have a set $ amount withheld.

We have Vanguard for our 401(k) and the interface is actually 2 whole-number percentages, one for matched dollars and another for non-matched if you max out the matched percentage.  I would think it would be more of a PITA to use actual dollars.  First, my company would have to feed Vanguard my projected gross pay daily so they could put the idiot checks on the dollar amount inputs.  Second, you'd potentially lose out on some matching if you forgot to update your dollar amount the moment your raise went into effect.  Third, what happens if your dollar amount to be withheld exceeds the company's ability to deduct it from your check because you have unpaid sick time or whatever.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9942 on: August 11, 2015, 12:16:38 PM »
We have Vanguard for our 401(k) and the interface is actually 2 whole-number percentages, one for matched dollars and another for non-matched if you max out the matched percentage.  I would think it would be more of a PITA to use actual dollars.  First, my company would have to feed Vanguard my projected gross pay daily so they could put the idiot checks on the dollar amount inputs.  Second, you'd potentially lose out on some matching if you forgot to update your dollar amount the moment your raise went into effect.  Third, what happens if your dollar amount to be withheld exceeds the company's ability to deduct it from your check because you have unpaid sick time or whatever.

None of those concerns make any sense.  With a flat dollar contribution, if I want to max out the $18k limit I just say take $750 out of each of my 24 paychecks and I never have to think about it again till next year if the limits change, then I recalculate that dollar amount once and I'm done again.  If it's a percentage, is that 21% or 22%?  It's kind of in between, so I have to do 22% then remember to reduce it at the end of the year to try to get as close to $18k as possible, or talk to HR so they can cut it off manually.  Then what happens when you get a raise?  You have to recalculate all over again.  Flat dollar amount?  Raises don't matter.  The matching concern I don't get.  If the company is going to match 3% they're going to do that wether you're putting in a dollar amount or a percentage amount.  Unless like someone said you ONLY want to contribute 3% in order to get the match, and not a penny more.  But I doubt there are many here doing that.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9943 on: August 11, 2015, 12:24:58 PM »

Of course they may be able to sell excess eggs. If that is the case, they can expect to recoup $3.50 per dozen for farm fresh eggs.

Sure, but that's a part time job in it's own right.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9944 on: August 11, 2015, 12:59:46 PM »
We have Vanguard for our 401(k) and the interface is actually 2 whole-number percentages, one for matched dollars and another for non-matched if you max out the matched percentage.  I would think it would be more of a PITA to use actual dollars.  First, my company would have to feed Vanguard my projected gross pay daily so they could put the idiot checks on the dollar amount inputs.  Second, you'd potentially lose out on some matching if you forgot to update your dollar amount the moment your raise went into effect.  Third, what happens if your dollar amount to be withheld exceeds the company's ability to deduct it from your check because you have unpaid sick time or whatever.

None of those concerns make any sense.  With a flat dollar contribution, if I want to max out the $18k limit I just say take $750 out of each of my 24 paychecks and I never have to think about it again till next year if the limits change, then I recalculate that dollar amount once and I'm done again.  If it's a percentage, is that 21% or 22%?  It's kind of in between, so I have to do 22% then remember to reduce it at the end of the year to try to get as close to $18k as possible, or talk to HR so they can cut it off manually.  Then what happens when you get a raise?  You have to recalculate all over again.  Flat dollar amount?  Raises don't matter.  The matching concern I don't get.  If the company is going to match 3% they're going to do that wether you're putting in a dollar amount or a percentage amount.  Unless like someone said you ONLY want to contribute 3% in order to get the match, and not a penny more.  But I doubt there are many here doing that.

Flat dollar makes sense if you're contributing the full $18K.  I'm guessing that less than 2% of 401k participants actually do that.  Assuming your company does a true-up so you get the full match regardless of how you contribute the $18K over the year, you pick 22% and get a little extra take home on paycheck #24.

Matching matters if you're not contributing over the matching limit percentage.  If you make $48K and they match on up to the first 5% of your salary, you would put $100 per paycheck to get the full company match available.  If you get a raise to $50K, you would need to change the dollar amount to $104.17 to get the full match.

We've probably thought more about our 401k contributions having this exchange than most plan participants do all year.  Percentages are just easier for most participants to deal with.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9945 on: August 11, 2015, 01:24:37 PM »

Flat dollar makes sense if you're contributing the full $18K.  I'm guessing that less than 2% of 401k participants actually do that.

Mine doesn't even allow me to do that.  The individual percentage contribution isn't high enough for me, or pretty much anyone, to max out the annual pre-tax.

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« Reply #9946 on: August 11, 2015, 01:29:01 PM »

Flat dollar makes sense if you're contributing the full $18K.  I'm guessing that less than 2% of 401k participants actually do that.

Mine doesn't even allow me to do that.  The individual percentage contribution isn't high enough for me, or pretty much anyone, to max out the annual pre-tax.

You aren't able to adjust it?  For instance, I could set it to 24% if I wanted to max out my 403b.
Doesn't matter that the company mandates 3%- change it.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9947 on: August 11, 2015, 01:41:59 PM »
2 coworkers are house hunting in order to get away from the city. Neither have kids. One is looking at houses about an hour away so her husband can go fishing and shoot targets at home. They are looking for a waterfront acreage.

The other is looking for a hobby farm about 45 minutes in the other direction because she wants to raise chickens.

All I can think is that those are some damned expensive eggs and fish.

Lets say the mortgage goes up by $200,000 and they use a dozen eggs per week...

$200,000/20 years = $10,000 per year
$10,000/52 weeks = $192 per week (One fish dinner a week??)
$192/12 eggs=$16 per egg before interest.

Of course they may be able to sell excess eggs. If that is the case, they can expect to recoup $3.50 per dozen for farm fresh eggs.

Why would you assume mortgage goes up?  Usually when you move further from a city property cost goes down OR you get "more" property for equal cost.  Also, if they are buying into an area they plan to retire to...

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« Reply #9948 on: August 11, 2015, 02:12:03 PM »

Flat dollar makes sense if you're contributing the full $18K.  I'm guessing that less than 2% of 401k participants actually do that.

Mine doesn't even allow me to do that.  The individual percentage contribution isn't high enough for me, or pretty much anyone, to max out the annual pre-tax.

You aren't able to adjust it?  For instance, I could set it to 24% if I wanted to max out my 403b.
Doesn't matter that the company mandates 3%- change it.

The max allowable is 10% of gross wages.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9949 on: August 11, 2015, 02:14:47 PM »

Flat dollar makes sense if you're contributing the full $18K.  I'm guessing that less than 2% of 401k participants actually do that.

Mine doesn't even allow me to do that.  The individual percentage contribution isn't high enough for me, or pretty much anyone, to max out the annual pre-tax.

You aren't able to adjust it?  For instance, I could set it to 24% if I wanted to max out my 403b.
Doesn't matter that the company mandates 3%- change it.

The max allowable is 10% of gross wages.

Allowable by whom?  Even if the web form doesn't go higher, you should be able to have HR manually adjust it.