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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9800 on: August 05, 2015, 02:59:11 PM »
Sorry, can't resist adding to the A/C foam. I'm one of the always cold women, though I'm really lucky in my office, it's usually ok as long as I have a sweater. No extreme measures needed!

There is a thing with how women's bodies are put together vs men's. Because we have the babies, our bodies are designed to keep our cores warm, period. This is done at the expense of warming our extremities. We're more susceptible to frostbite, hypothermia, etc as a result. All else being equal, a man will feel warmer than a woman in the same environment.

Gentlemen, think of all the women you know. How many of them always or frequently have cold hands or feet, regardless of the temperature? Biology.

When you add the lighter clothing that women tend wear in the summer as compared to men, it just makes it worse. In the winter the playing field is leveled a little because we can wear multiple layers if so desired and no one will know.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9801 on: August 05, 2015, 03:05:14 PM »
Shorter Chris22: I'm comfortable at lower temperatures and you're comfortable at higher temperatures. Therefore, we should stick with lower temperatures.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9802 on: August 05, 2015, 03:09:01 PM »
Shorter Chris22: I'm comfortable at lower temperatures and you're comfortable at higher temperatures. Therefore, we should stick with lower temperatures.

Well that is pretty logical--you can put on more clothes; I can only take off so much before people start yelling at me :P


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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9803 on: August 05, 2015, 03:23:21 PM »

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9804 on: August 05, 2015, 03:24:57 PM »
In the next year or so, I might buy this:



Go ahead, talk shit, I can take it.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9805 on: August 05, 2015, 03:34:34 PM »
Shorter Chris22: I'm comfortable at lower temperatures and you're comfortable at higher temperatures. Therefore, we should stick with lower temperatures.

Well that is pretty logical--you can put on more clothes; I can only take off so much before people start yelling at me :P

But according to Chris22 he does wear a lot of clothes he could take off.
I'm with your coworkers.  I'm sitting here in my office in a long sleeve dress shirt, undershirt, and wool dress pants.  If it's 80* in here, I'm leaving.  I came in over the weekend to prepare for a presentation this AM, and even in my t-shirt and basketball shorts it was uncomfortable at 85* with the A/C off over the weekend (news to me they did that).  I grew up in a house without central air, nothing about that is "better".
So he's arguing we should keep it cold despite the ecological impact and despite the fact that we could just change the dress code for men. (Actually I don't think that's precisely what Chris22 is saying himself, but that seems to be the archetypal argument.)

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9806 on: August 05, 2015, 03:37:11 PM »
In the next year or so, I might buy this:



Go ahead, talk shit, I can take it.


Dude. Seriously? FRC or Z06 is the only way to go.  Pshaw.

At least you got the color right.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9807 on: August 05, 2015, 03:41:21 PM »
In the next year or so, I might buy this:



Go ahead, talk shit, I can take it.
One day I also hope to own a picture of a sportscar

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9808 on: August 05, 2015, 04:22:26 PM »
I want either the Z06 or targa-top coupe. Don't want the non-Z FRC or convertible. Who wants an FRC, come on?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9809 on: August 05, 2015, 04:47:23 PM »
I want either the Z06 or targa-top coupe. Don't want the non-Z FRC or convertible. Who wants an FRC, come on?

Personally, I'm all about the (insert random collection of letters and/or numbers here). Because who wants that eh?

Just kidding, cars aren't my thing. I drive an '88 Sentra, and I'm totally fine with that, although I feel like I should bike anytime I drive. Now that I can get behind. I have an '02 Specialized RockHopper hardtail (redundant...I know) with an armadillo rear wheel and a stock front one.

I hate to make this thread even worse, but I've put over 10000 miles on this, and I think I win. I don't care what forum I'm on. :) I've already got my dream ride, and am 5 years away from FIRE.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9810 on: August 05, 2015, 04:56:48 PM »
In the next year or so, I might buy this:



Go ahead, talk shit, I can take it.
One day I also hope to own a picture of a sportscar

I want either the Z06 or targa-top coupe. Don't want the non-Z FRC or convertible. Who wants an FRC, come on?

Personally, I'm all about the (insert random collection of letters and/or numbers here). Because who wants that eh?

Just kidding, cars aren't my thing. I drive an '88 Sentra, and I'm totally fine with that, although I feel like I should bike anytime I drive. Now that I can get behind. I have an '02 Specialized RockHopper hardtail (redundant...I know) with an armadillo rear wheel and a stock front one.

I hate to make this thread even worse, but I've put over 10000 miles on this, and I think I win. I don't care what forum I'm on. :) I've already got my dream ride, and am 5 years away from FIRE.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9811 on: August 05, 2015, 05:14:39 PM »
We were discussing personal data security challenges and solutions when someone said, “Hey, Metta, what do you do? You have money you’re protecting, right?”

I started to explain my data security strategy when a coworker interrupted and said, “The best way to protect your financial accounts is to spend all your money each month. If you save your money your accounts will be vulnerable to hackers but if you spend it they can’t get to it.”

Me, rolling my eyes: “Seriously?”

Coworker: “It’s what I do and it works great for us.”

What can you say in response to that?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9812 on: August 05, 2015, 05:22:06 PM »
You could tell him that if for whatever reason he fails to spend it all one month you can free him from his excess cash.
For a small fee obviously

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9813 on: August 05, 2015, 05:37:50 PM »
Hehe, at my last job I was freezing all the time.  We had individual offices, and every time I moved into a new one I'd put in a facilities request for "too cold".  The guy that came would try to do some stuff with the vent, and it helped redirect the airflow a little, but it was still always freezing.  One of them commented: "The women always complain that it's too cold, and the men complain that it's too hot!"  When one of our female coworkers was pregnant the guys made a concerted effort to up the temperature in her office by altering some of the vents in the ceiling.

Now that I work in a mostly-female company, I find the temperature most of the time to be just right.  Amusingly though, the women here still think it's too cold, and we had to limit the number of space heaters allowed because it was putting a dangerous strain on our building's resources.  I guess all the years of working in freezing offices have somewhat upped my tolerance for cold!

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9814 on: August 05, 2015, 07:12:05 PM »
Chatting with the boss about terrible city politics and one of my employees says that his dream is to have enough money to be able to say whatever he wanted to anyone.  Which is a fantastic dream.  I brought up the concept of FU money, and dropped my FIRE number of $600,000 invested with a 4% safe withdrawal rate.  Less, of course, if the house is paid off.  The looks I got!

Boss said something along the lines of "the more money you have, the more money it takes to live."
Me: I'm quite happy where I am.  I'm not going to start spending more just because it becomes available to me.
Boss: I guarantee that when you can walk into a store and drop $500 like it's nothing...
Me (interrupting): I can already do that.  And I don't.
Employee:  I have 10 grand in the bank right now.  I could, too.  But I don't like spending money.  (Impressive because the city pays crap... Employee makes $11/hr.)
Boss: *sheepish look*

We come back around to the FU money amount.  Employee's answer is fantastic: 4.5 billion.  Because then I could hire out a militia.  And actually say whatever I wanted to ANYONE.  :)

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9815 on: August 05, 2015, 07:42:35 PM »

Boss: I guarantee that when you can walk into a store and drop $500 like it's nothing...
Me (interrupting): I can already do that.  And I don't.


Could you really, though?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9816 on: August 05, 2015, 08:55:49 PM »

Boss: I guarantee that when you can walk into a store and drop $500 like it's nothing...
Me (interrupting): I can already do that.  And I don't.


Could you really, though?

Maybe not like it's nothing, but certainly as easy as he can.  I earn around $40,000/year and only support myself.  He earns $95,000/year and supports a his wife and a grown up spawn with hoarder tendencies, and a grandchild. 

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9817 on: August 05, 2015, 09:00:47 PM »
I just started a new job. One of my new coworkers is retiring in a few weeks. She's 72. I would guess she makes $110k-$120k (but, granted, this is a new job, so I'm not super sure). I congratulated her, of course, but I was thinking "How the hell do you get to needing to work into your 70s with that kind of income?!" It's pretty clear this isn't an "I love my job, I want to keep working forever" situation.

I got my answer. For the past 20 years, she has worked in City A. She "lives" in City B with her husband. She owns houses in both cities, and drives the 125 miles between them (East Coast so not like it's 70mph speed limits and you can make it in under 2 hours) at least twice a week. She'll typically only spend the weekend in City B, but will sometimes go "home" more often.

Given that a contributing factor in my taking this job was keeping my bus commute under 20 minutes, my jaw just about hit the floor.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9818 on: August 05, 2015, 09:24:47 PM »
You could tell him that if for whatever reason he fails to spend it all one month you can free him from his excess cash.
For a small fee obviously

LOL! Clearly I would just be irresponsible with it and stow it in some savings account. :)

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9819 on: August 05, 2015, 09:41:20 PM »
We were discussing personal data security challenges and solutions when someone said, “Hey, Metta, what do you do? You have money you’re protecting, right?”

I started to explain my data security strategy when a coworker interrupted and said, “The best way to protect your financial accounts is to spend all your money each month. If you save your money your accounts will be vulnerable to hackers but if you spend it they can’t get to it.”

Me, rolling my eyes: “Seriously?”

Coworker: “It’s what I do and it works great for us.”

What can you say in response to that?

Is it even worth pointing out to them that identity thieves don't need your cash to cause problems since they usually steal your CREDIT CARDS and spend money you don't actually have?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9820 on: August 05, 2015, 10:10:19 PM »
Husband's company is undergoing a payroll changeover this week. Pays will now arrive in bank accounts on Friday instead of Wednesday. Company first notified employees three months ago, and has provided regular reminders ever since.

Today is the morning after the night before, the first day that people haven't been paid on a Wednesday night.

I knew this, because I had marked it in my diary as something to note while doing this week's budget.

Out of the blue I got a text from my husband thanking me for organising our finances.

Apparently the sky is falling. One of his colleagues has already been charged late fees for failed direct debits, and is scrambling to afford his next mortgage payment.

I feel sorry for him, he's a lovely guy and the only breadwinner in the family, but he also buys lunch every day. I just want to ask him - is it worth it to put yourself under this much stress?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9821 on: August 06, 2015, 02:49:32 AM »

That article is smug nonsense. Some offices overuse air conditioning, but the USA is much hotter than most of Europe (the idea that Washington and Berlin have similar climates is wrong). And when Europe has heat waves, tens of thousands of people die. The 2003 heat wave killed 70,000 people.
Yeah, comparing Berlin and Washington is complete BS, because Berlin is on the same degree as Detroit. How often do you have Berlin covered in snow? So you see Berlin is a lot hotter then USA.

And that is also BS, because you compare totally different geografical regions.

Europe has the gulf stream and is surrounded by lots of water, that makes it a lot warmer winter then continental USA. On the other hand all that water cools in the summer, preventing extreme hot days.

All in all in Europe in the midday there are only about 3 month (added up) where the temperature is above 30 or under 0.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9822 on: August 06, 2015, 06:07:47 AM »
In the next year or so, I might buy this:



Go ahead, talk shit, I can take it.

That colour of blue would look lovely on a bicycle.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9823 on: August 06, 2015, 06:23:38 AM »
... it's ubiquitous and, to my eyes, ugly and, yes, basic.

Criticizing people's clothing is also pretty "basic."  I judge people who purposefully use words incorrectly and, in doing so, come across as hateful.

Can someone explain this usage of 'basic' to me?

So sorry, so European and un-airconditioned.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9824 on: August 06, 2015, 06:36:27 AM »
... it's ubiquitous and, to my eyes, ugly and, yes, basic.

Criticizing people's clothing is also pretty "basic."  I judge people who purposefully use words incorrectly and, in doing so, come across as hateful.

Can someone explain this usage of 'basic' to me?

So sorry, so European and un-airconditioned.

It's slang that means unsophisticated, unoriginal, trite, etc.   

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9825 on: August 06, 2015, 06:44:39 AM »

It's slang that means unsophisticated, unoriginal, trite, etc.

Thank you!

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9826 on: August 06, 2015, 06:44:57 AM »
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                I guess it's a matter of opinion. Polo shirts scream "basic fratboy" to me, regardless of the fit, color, cut, whatever.


            You're not the only one.  Not so much 'basic fratboy' for me but 'generic person'.


        Very interesting to see all the polo shirt hate. I wear them every single day. Cheap, casual, comfortable, breathable.

        Also, since when are we defined by our clothing/style/look? Am I on the correct forum?


    I'm confused about why looking generic is bad. Not everyone is interested in expressing their unique special snowflakeness via clothing, and a polo shirt is handy because it's appropriate in most situations, fairly comfortable, easy to acquire inexpensively and easy to launder at home.


folks can wear what they want. i can like it or not.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Of course you can, but you're perpetuating consumerism. On this forum, that gets you a Facepunch.

I disagree that fashion/style and consumerism are synonymous.   You can be anti-consumerism and still find style very interesting and even a hobby.   The US is flooded with soooo much extra clothing that it's not hard *at all* to get super stylish clothes second-hand for pennies.  One can also be a stylish minimalist by being super careful about what pieces they choose.




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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9827 on: August 06, 2015, 06:50:25 AM »
In the next year or so, I might buy this:



Go ahead, talk shit, I can take it.
If you're into cars at all C5s, are an unmatched performance bargain IMO, quite sensible. If you don't need backseats they're reliable and comfortable enough to be an only car and daily driven. (Dare I say even efficient with a highway mpg of ~28! Gotta love that ridiculous 6th gear overdrive ratio.)

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9828 on: August 06, 2015, 07:03:38 AM »
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                        I guess it's a matter of opinion. Polo shirts scream "basic fratboy" to me, regardless of the fit, color, cut, whatever.


                    You're not the only one.  Not so much 'basic fratboy' for me but 'generic person'.


                Very interesting to see all the polo shirt hate. I wear them every single day. Cheap, casual, comfortable, breathable.

                Also, since when are we defined by our clothing/style/look? Am I on the correct forum?


            I'm confused about why looking generic is bad. Not everyone is interested in expressing their unique special snowflakeness via clothing, and a polo shirt is handy because it's appropriate in most situations, fairly comfortable, easy to acquire inexpensively and easy to launder at home.


        folks can wear what they want. i can like it or not.

        ¯\_(ツ)_/¯



    Of course you can, but you're perpetuating consumerism. On this forum, that gets you a Facepunch.


I disagree that fashion/style and consumerism are synonymous.   You can be anti-consumerism and still find style very interesting and even a hobby.   The US is flooded with soooo much extra clothing that it's not hard *at all* to get super stylish clothes second-hand for pennies.  One can also be a stylish minimalist by being super careful about what pieces they choose.

What you wear or buy for a hobby is certainly your own business, and I don't fault you there. It's when you start judging others as "basic" or "generic" or "frat boys" for what they wear that you become focused on what marketers want you to think about, instead of what's important.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9829 on: August 06, 2015, 07:03:58 AM »
Brief AC story: I once lived and worked in London. Next to my desk was a window...that I could open. Mother of God! Blew my mind with happiness. As an American, I had never worked in a building with sash windows. But then we moved offices to an office park, and the new building was "modern" and air conditioned, fixed glass windows. Boo.

Have a sad story: at a meeting I was sitting next to someone who is about 55 and who has worked at our company for more than 25 years. We were talking with a manager about how busy we are and how great it is our dept has hired new people. I said, "we'll be fine as long as people like [the long-timer] don't just up and retire tomorrrow!" She said, "Oh, no worries, I can never afford to retire." So, I guess I will be the one who leaves in 3 years....

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9830 on: August 06, 2015, 07:07:38 AM »
Also, since when are we defined by our clothing/style/look? Am I on the correct forum?

:-) I could care less what people wear, but what you chose to wear does reflect something about you, whether you want it to or not, even if what it says is 'i don't give a fuck'.  So you're a generic person, own it ;-P

not saying I don't judge people sometimes based on how they look, but if you don't dig deeper you never really know.

I'm not defined by my clothing, just like I'm not defined by my job, education, car, or anything else. Those things are all a small part of me, but any of them can be changed. I change my clothes often, as mtn points out, to fit the occasion.

I went to a business meeting recently with a CW and a very important person who we knew would likely be dressed very well. It was a Friday, which for me (and usually my CW) means jeans, polo, tennis shoes.  I wore the usual, CW wore a fancy suit.

I'm not interested in impressing anyone with my clothes. If you choose not to work with me based on the jeans/polo, your loss.

@miss madge, I agree, you can like it or not, your choice. I just hope it doesn't preclude you from actually working with/knowing that person. You don't need to be attracted to someone or like what they're wearing to have a positive interaction with them.

While all of someone's choices reflect *something* about them, I agree that it's a mistake for the observer to assume that they know what that something really is.

Eg., if you see me out in sweatpants, it may be *obvious* to an observer that I don't care about how I look in general.   However, it could be that I care very much and that look is the look I'm going for (eg., apparently normcore is where it's at in some super stylish circles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normcore).   Or, it could be that I care very much when I'm anywhere but the grocery store. 

 It could be that the observer has biases against people who pop their collars or wear huge hoop earrings and the mistake is when they assume that *their* biases are actual representations of the person they're seeing.

I'm a 34 year old woman, with mostly a "basic" look-plain blonde hair,etc, but then a nose ring and tattoos.   I can often be seen out wearing anything from large hoop earrings with leggings and booties, to linen pants with a tucked-in blouse, to yoga pants with a t-shirt.   I am a physics professor with a PhD who is pretty well established/published career-wise.   I'm a mother. And I have a net worth consistent with being on the path to FI.   Almost no one expects any of these things based on how I look and their biases regarding what certain people should look like (the main ones being subconsciously gender-based ideas, but that's a different topic).  I actually am usually saying *something* with what I'm wearing (I have an odd sense of humor and like to try out different things sometimes and sometimes just don't GAF); good luck figuring out what it is I'm saying on any given day. 

With that said, I do judge others' outfits.   I look at them and what I like, don't like, etc, b/c I'm interested in it (just how people here often judge others' spending).   What I try not to do is think that what someone is wearing tells me anything about them as a person, other than that's what they chose to wear right then.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9831 on: August 06, 2015, 07:08:02 AM »
I have lots of polos (mostly from LL Bean, good quality, $29, last forever) and wear them on days like today when I'm holed up in my office all day on phone calls, but many other days I'm in and out of meetings with senior people and on those days I dress up more as does anyone with half a brain and some aspirations.

I wear scrubs to work, because I have only a third of a brain and no aspirations.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9832 on: August 06, 2015, 07:09:02 AM »
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                        I guess it's a matter of opinion. Polo shirts scream "basic fratboy" to me, regardless of the fit, color, cut, whatever.


                    You're not the only one.  Not so much 'basic fratboy' for me but 'generic person'.


                Very interesting to see all the polo shirt hate. I wear them every single day. Cheap, casual, comfortable, breathable.

                Also, since when are we defined by our clothing/style/look? Am I on the correct forum?


            I'm confused about why looking generic is bad. Not everyone is interested in expressing their unique special snowflakeness via clothing, and a polo shirt is handy because it's appropriate in most situations, fairly comfortable, easy to acquire inexpensively and easy to launder at home.


        folks can wear what they want. i can like it or not.

        ¯\_(ツ)_/¯



    Of course you can, but you're perpetuating consumerism. On this forum, that gets you a Facepunch.


I disagree that fashion/style and consumerism are synonymous.   You can be anti-consumerism and still find style very interesting and even a hobby.   The US is flooded with soooo much extra clothing that it's not hard *at all* to get super stylish clothes second-hand for pennies.  One can also be a stylish minimalist by being super careful about what pieces they choose.

What you wear or buy for a hobby is certainly your own business, and I don't fault you there. It's when you start judging others as "basic" or "generic" or "frat boys" for what they wear that you become focused on what marketers want you to think about, instead of what's important.

Yes, I agree.   See my post right above.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9833 on: August 06, 2015, 07:12:43 AM »
Not heard at work but close enough. :)

I was recently taking a group sewing class and there was a young girl there (~13, in 8th grade) and she told me the girls in her class will keep track of what each person wears and then come up to them and tell them the last time the wore it and if they were wearing it too much.

I was horrified. Seemed like a really good reason to home school, so your kids are not exposed to such horrible behavior from mean girls.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9834 on: August 06, 2015, 07:18:59 AM »

Not heard at work but close enough. :)

I was recently taking a group sewing class and there was a young girl there (~13, in 8th grade) and she told me the girls in her class will keep track of what each person wears and then come up to them and tell them the last time the wore it and if they were wearing it too much.

I was horrified. Seemed like a really good reason to home school, so your kids are not exposed to such horrible behavior from mean girls.

I would say the exact opposite.
When and if I have kids I want them to face the real world, so then we can teach him/her what is good and bad and why so.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9835 on: August 06, 2015, 07:28:01 AM »
The "real" world is a much less toxic, frustrating, and obstructive place than school is.


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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9837 on: August 06, 2015, 07:47:48 AM »
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9838 on: August 06, 2015, 07:53:22 AM »
From a coworker with a one year old child: "We're building a new house. The old one was only two thousand square feet, and that's just not enough once you have a kid."

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9839 on: August 06, 2015, 08:00:27 AM »
We were discussing personal data security challenges and solutions when someone said, “Hey, Metta, what do you do? You have money you’re protecting, right?”

I started to explain my data security strategy when a coworker interrupted and said, “The best way to protect your financial accounts is to spend all your money each month. If you save your money your accounts will be vulnerable to hackers but if you spend it they can’t get to it.”

Me, rolling my eyes: “Seriously?”

Coworker: “It’s what I do and it works great for us.”

What can you say in response to that?

Is it even worth pointing out to them that identity thieves don't need your cash to cause problems since they usually steal your CREDIT CARDS and spend money you don't actually have?

I have heard this as the reason to always have all your credit cards maxed out...

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9840 on: August 06, 2015, 08:05:35 AM »

It's slang that means unsophisticated, unoriginal, trite, etc.

Interesting- I wouldn't have described it that way (but I am SO out of touch. The word makes no sense to me...)

The girls I see who are described on instagram and facebook as "basic" seem to be the ones who follow the current designer trends, spend a ton of money on clothes and hair. 

Maybe unoriginal because they all look exactly alike? 

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9841 on: August 06, 2015, 08:32:13 AM »
The "real" world is a much less toxic, frustrating, and obstructive place than school is.

School is this really weird, fake environment. I've left toxic workplaces and jobs, but you usually can't leave a class with the same situation. I've since run into girls who terrorized me in school, and we got along fine, once we weren't forced to spend every day together. No adult would put up with what many schoolchildren do, let alone for free. There we expect it off kids, who have far fewer emotional resources and coping skills than adults.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9842 on: August 06, 2015, 08:40:10 AM »

It's slang that means unsophisticated, unoriginal, trite, etc.

Interesting- I wouldn't have described it that way (but I am SO out of touch. The word makes no sense to me...)

The girls I see who are described on instagram and facebook as "basic" seem to be the ones who follow the current designer trends, spend a ton of money on clothes and hair. 

Maybe unoriginal because they all look exactly alike?

Working in the school system, I try and keep up. I have 'ratchet' and 'clean' figured out, but given the context I hear it in, I'm still not sure if 'basic' is a positive or a negative (this may also be because it is never clear if teenage girls are best friends or bitter rivals).

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9843 on: August 06, 2015, 08:46:51 AM »

It's slang that means unsophisticated, unoriginal, trite, etc.

Interesting- I wouldn't have described it that way (but I am SO out of touch. The word makes no sense to me...)

The girls I see who are described on instagram and facebook as "basic" seem to be the ones who follow the current designer trends, spend a ton of money on clothes and hair. 

Maybe unoriginal because they all look exactly alike?

I made the crack that if basic girls are girls who wear unoriginal clothing and all dress alike, then what are we calling basic guys, just 'guys'? Then someone used a College Humor sketch to explain that 'basic bro' covers things like taste and cultural values. The internet is such a wonderful educational place.

(eta: And I actually think it's great if women's clothing is becoming more conformist and boring so we have less to think about in that area, not because I was ragging on guys.)
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9844 on: August 06, 2015, 08:53:33 AM »

Working in the school system, I try and keep up. I have 'ratchet' and 'clean' figured out, but given the context I hear it in, I'm still not sure if 'basic' is a positive or a negative (this may also be because it is never clear if teenage girls are best friends or bitter rivals).

I don't know if basic is positive or negative either.
The first time I heard it used outside of a buzzfeed article was from a friend my own age, thirtyish. She was moving from Austin (Tx not Mn) to Omaha and was wondering if she would need all new clothes. She was thinking overalls to hang out in the cornfields (and being serious about this...)

I told her I wasn't too sure about Omaha, but in Iowa City the girls who looked trendy were all wearing skinny jeans and riding boots.  And she replied "Oh, awesome- just a nice basic look".  Then she asked me if I thought her ombre hair would be okay.  (I am not the one to ask... I don't think I'm cool enough to ever be 'basic')

She seemed happy about 'basic'; but I've also heard it as a negative.

It seems to me the girls who are 'basic' are the ones who were the popular snobs when I was in school; mostly preppy.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9845 on: August 06, 2015, 09:10:25 AM »

Working in the school system, I try and keep up. I have 'ratchet' and 'clean' figured out, but given the context I hear it in, I'm still not sure if 'basic' is a positive or a negative (this may also be because it is never clear if teenage girls are best friends or bitter rivals).

I don't know if basic is positive or negative either.
The first time I heard it used outside of a buzzfeed article was from a friend my own age, thirtyish. She was moving from Austin (Tx not Mn) to Omaha and was wondering if she would need all new clothes. She was thinking overalls to hang out in the cornfields (and being serious about this...)

I told her I wasn't too sure about Omaha, but in Iowa City the girls who looked trendy were all wearing skinny jeans and riding boots.  And she replied "Oh, awesome- just a nice basic look".  Then she asked me if I thought her ombre hair would be okay.  (I am not the one to ask... I don't think I'm cool enough to ever be 'basic')

She seemed happy about 'basic'; but I've also heard it as a negative.

It seems to me the girls who are 'basic' are the ones who were the popular snobs when I was in school; mostly preppy.

It seems to be that she was using it in the traditional sense, not its current slang use.  Ie she was using it referring to"wardrobe basics" which is not a negative use, but just as cool can literally mean coldish, or can mean "awesome, " basic referring to a person these days usually has a different meaning.

My understanding is that the slang use of "basic" is related to (possibly just a shortened version of) the other popular slang term of "basic bitch," which is clearly negative.   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_bitch
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9846 on: August 06, 2015, 09:17:35 AM »
No, this wasn't about "wardrobe basics"- because she's someone who "shares" things on facebook like "20 ways you know you are a basic bitch".  And there is no way ombre hair is a 'wardrobe basic' but apparently it is part of 'being basic'.

Which is why I figured basic was good, but basic bitch was bad.   But then I wasn't sure if basic bitch was good the way "sick" was good for awhile.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9847 on: August 06, 2015, 09:21:24 AM »
No, this wasn't about "wardrobe basics"- because she's someone who "shares" things on facebook like "20 ways you know you are a basic bitch".  And there is no way ombre hair is a 'wardrobe basic' but apparently it is part of 'being basic'.

Which is why I figured basic was good, but basic bitch was bad.   But then I wasn't sure if basic bitch was good the way "sick" was good for awhile.

No, I'm pretty sure "basic" as used in popular culture (eg., see Wikipedia article) is negative.   

ETA:  http://nymag.com/thecut/2014/10/what-do-you-really-mean-by-basic-bitch.html
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9848 on: August 06, 2015, 09:55:24 AM »
Not heard at work but close enough. :)

I was recently taking a group sewing class and there was a young girl there (~13, in 8th grade) and she told me the girls in her class will keep track of what each person wears and then come up to them and tell them the last time the wore it and if they were wearing it too much.

I was horrified. Seemed like a really good reason to home school, so your kids are not exposed to such horrible behavior from mean girls.

When I was in 8th grade, there a was a girl who modeled, and she took it upon herself to visit all of the stores in the mall so that she could see what was available and where. That way, she could make fun of the other girls for wearing clothes that were out of season, or for wearing clothes that were inexpensive/came from her unapproved stores, etc.

One day, she was walking behind a friend and I and making fun of the friend because her clothes came from a discount retailer and for having a gay mom (I have no idea how these two things were linked). I shot her a dirty look and probably told her to give it a rest, at which point she turned on me and said something along the lines of, "But at least having a gay mom and cheap clothes is better than CpaCat, I bet her divorced mom has to buy all her clothes used from the thrift store, because her dad doesn't pay child support!"

I turned around and said, "That's right. All my clothes are from the thrift store. But at least I'm not a B---, like you." I was prepared to follow up with the idea that her mom was embarrassed by her, and it was good that she was pretty as long as her mouth was shut... but she immediately burst into tears, then ran to report me to the principal.

Point being - instead of pulling me out of school when people bullied me or my friends, my mom talked to me about what to do. After that incident, she used it as a tool to practice retorts that didn't involve cursing, and strategies for diffusing bad situations. It's true, that no one since then has made fun of me for wearing thrift store clothes, but there have been plenty of situations where people have tried to intimidate, put me down, been rude to me, etc. I have also been in situations where I have witnessed friends be out-right bullied at work. If my parents had shielded me from ever being put down or bullied, what tools would I have to navigate those situations today?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9849 on: August 06, 2015, 10:01:07 AM »
You are on the Internet.  You don't need to guess at the meaning of a word.  You have Urban Dictionary!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Basic

FWIW, I wear a polo (or similar collared shirt) the vast majority of the time when not at work.

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Maybe some of them who use the forums (brooklynguy, Cheddar Stacker, sol, swick, jordanread, etc.) will see this and chime in (I won't care either way, but mildly curious).

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