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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9700 on: August 04, 2015, 07:43:12 AM »
Great, now we have DINKs who are getting offended. Lighten up Francis.
Who said I was offended? I was pointing out that what was said and what was meant were probably different things. How about YOU lighten up? ;)
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Maybe the proper extrapolation (which rarely exists) is that he is shaking his head at those in their 50s and not retired, which would be confusing to a card carrying MMM follower.
Emotions are much harder to extrapolate than numbers, so I've learned to start by assuming good intentions but imprecise wording (see above). My guess is the same as yours there.
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We had about 85 at my desk today. We were not happy. Lots of other areas were nice and cool though, so one could beat the heat by taking the laptop elsewhere. Lucky that we are 99% mobile in my area.
My (huge) building is set around 75, but I sit in a small peninsula (so to speak) surrounded by huge windows so it gets to 80 or so with the actual onset of summer. This period is usually characterized by massive whining, but then people seem to magically acclimate and quiet down. It's an interesting illustration of powers most of them still don't know they have.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9701 on: August 04, 2015, 07:44:27 AM »
The problem with us DINKs is that the repercussions for us doing things wrong for a decade are much easier to deal with than if there are kids who have to be taken into consideration.  It's easier to downsize if we're in too big/expensive a house/apartment/condo, it's easier to move to a cheaper location without worrying about school zones, it's easier to live without a car.
How is that a problem?
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In more topical news, I was speaking with the regular office cleaning person the other evening when I was working late, and found out that she's 68.  Which was shocking, because she looks 50.  She had retired several years ago, but got bored, and so took this job so she wouldn't "turn into one of those old people who just sits around and watches tv".  Not what I'm planning to do when I'm fully FI, but it explains why she's always in such a good mood.
Hehe... that's pretty cool. I'd be more likely to be a barista myself, but it does take all kinds. :)

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9702 on: August 04, 2015, 07:57:32 AM »
My roommate would be on that list. Even better is I'm on the opposite side. We've compromised by setting the A/C at 75 and me sitting with an afghan (yes, a blanket, in the middle of summer), and not using the A/C as much as possible because the dryness irritates my sinuses.

She insists that she can't sleep if it's 80. She insists that she can't sleep without covers. She insists that she can't sleep with just a sheet. She also insists that she can't sleep anywhere other than her bed, never mind that it's 15 degrees cooler in the fully finished basement. And it's her futon in the basement.

Sounds like it's time to dump the complainypants roommate...

that's also an option, but i think "complainypants"  gets used way too often to just refer to someone who doesn't agree with you.

doesn't sound like the room mate complains about the bill to keep it the A/C. is it really complaining to like things a certain way and ask for it? it also seems like a compromise has been established.

We were roomies for a year in college, and are now into the 3rd year of housemates. I don't want to move, don't want to pay the rent by myself, and she can't pay the rent by herself. I'm planning on buying in a few years, at which point this will be a nonissue. Until then, we have occasional issues in the summer.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9703 on: August 04, 2015, 09:21:46 AM »
In more topical news, I was speaking with the regular office cleaning person the other evening when I was working late, and found out that she's 68.  Which was shocking, because she looks 50.  She had retired several years ago, but got bored, and so took this job so she wouldn't "turn into one of those old people who just sits around and watches tv".  Not what I'm planning to do when I'm fully FI, but it explains why she's always in such a good mood.
Love it!  My bucket list for retirement includes spending a few months at each of a number of lower-paid jobs (fast food, custodial, construction, etc), just for the experience.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9704 on: August 04, 2015, 09:29:47 AM »
The problem with us DINKs is that the repercussions for us doing things wrong for a decade are much easier to deal with than if there are kids who have to be taken into consideration.  It's easier to downsize if we're in too big/expensive a house/apartment/condo, it's easier to move to a cheaper location without worrying about school zones, it's easier to live without a car.
How is that a problem?

Yeah, when I read this my first thought was, "They hate us cause they ain't us?" I saw this is someone that is also childfree, part of the reason is financial and I said this way before discovering this site or considering FIRE.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9705 on: August 04, 2015, 09:57:02 AM »
Yeah, when I read this my first thought was, "They hate us cause they ain't us?" I saw this is someone that is also childfree, part of the reason is financial and I said this way before discovering this site or considering FIRE.

My reason is 100% altruistic. That said, it's a nice added bonus to make a carefully considered decision not to procreate and find that the resulting profundity of resources makes strategic planning and rapid change (and recovering from mistakes) much easier.

I am guessing the "problem" is something like "DINKs can't understand or appreciate the struggles faced by parents trying to optimize their lifestyle"... which is about as universally accurate as saying all DINKs squander their unique financial advantage. I don't have to punch myself in the face to know it hurts*.

I don't give my sisters shit for their five kids and counting. I thank them for covering that front so my mom can be happy and I can focus on greater-good actions for the rest of my life, probably while *also* fostering and adopting kids when the time is right.

*nor do you need to get shot to be an effective surgeon ;)

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9706 on: August 04, 2015, 10:27:06 AM »

*nor do you need to get shot to be an effective surgeon ;)

Are you familiar with the works of Shan Yu?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9707 on: August 04, 2015, 11:55:26 AM »

I'd leave because of the fans. I cannot handle air blowing on me.

Yes! Me, too! My husband HAS to have a fan on to go to sleep. If I feel any sort of breeze at all, I can't get to sleep and I have to tell him to move the fan. It could be 75 degrees, but if I feel air blowing, I get goosebumps and start shivering.

Uh,

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My wife is similar, though she can have fans blowing on her, she just doesn't like it in the middle of winter :-D  I have a lot of trouble getting to sleep without a fan running.  I've slept with a fan since I was a little kid.  I'd always have trouble sleeping at friends houses, not because of the strange environment, but because there was no fan.  I remember laying awake until the central heating turned on and I fell asleep to the soothing hum.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9708 on: August 04, 2015, 12:54:35 PM »
I'm with your coworkers.  I'm sitting here in my office in a long sleeve dress shirt, undershirt, and wool dress pants.  If it's 80* in here, I'm leaving.  I came in over the weekend to prepare for a presentation this AM, and even in my t-shirt and basketball shorts it was uncomfortable at 85* with the A/C off over the weekend (news to me they did that).  I grew up in a house without central air, nothing about that is "better".
I prefer to dress in seasonally appropriate business clothing with short-sleeve dress shirts and summer-weight trousers, but most of my male coworkers seem not to understand that option is available to them. 

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9709 on: August 04, 2015, 01:13:38 PM »
I'm with your coworkers.  I'm sitting here in my office in a long sleeve dress shirt, undershirt, and wool dress pants.  If it's 80* in here, I'm leaving.  I came in over the weekend to prepare for a presentation this AM, and even in my t-shirt and basketball shorts it was uncomfortable at 85* with the A/C off over the weekend (news to me they did that).  I grew up in a house without central air, nothing about that is "better".
I prefer to dress in seasonally appropriate business clothing with short-sleeve dress shirts and summer-weight trousers, but most of my male coworkers seem not to understand that option is available to them.

Unless you're in tech at our company, you would look extremely dorky with short sleave dress shirts, and you do get stereotyped. Image matters in a career.

But I completely agree with you on the summer-weight. I have lighter dress shirts too, and on Fridays and days when I don't have any meetings I wear golf shirts.


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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9710 on: August 04, 2015, 02:15:19 PM »
Are you familiar with the works of Shan Yu?
No. Do tell.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9711 on: August 04, 2015, 02:21:48 PM »
In summer I swap my plain black T-shirts for plain white T-shirts.

Among the other techies I'm considered something of a fashion guru

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9712 on: August 04, 2015, 03:09:50 PM »
I'm with your coworkers.  I'm sitting here in my office in a long sleeve dress shirt, undershirt, and wool dress pants.  If it's 80* in here, I'm leaving.  I came in over the weekend to prepare for a presentation this AM, and even in my t-shirt and basketball shorts it was uncomfortable at 85* with the A/C off over the weekend (news to me they did that).  I grew up in a house without central air, nothing about that is "better".
I prefer to dress in seasonally appropriate business clothing with short-sleeve dress shirts and summer-weight trousers, but most of my male coworkers seem not to understand that option is available to them.

If everyone is dressing one way at work except for you, it could be that they are not all wrong.  I work for an old, established, large company.  The culture here is you wear long sleeves and dress pants.  The temperature is set to account for that.  You can fight it, but you won't win.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9713 on: August 04, 2015, 04:39:48 PM »
I'm with your coworkers.  I'm sitting here in my office in a long sleeve dress shirt, undershirt, and wool dress pants.  If it's 80* in here, I'm leaving.  I came in over the weekend to prepare for a presentation this AM, and even in my t-shirt and basketball shorts it was uncomfortable at 85* with the A/C off over the weekend (news to me they did that).  I grew up in a house without central air, nothing about that is "better".
I prefer to dress in seasonally appropriate business clothing with short-sleeve dress shirts and summer-weight trousers, but most of my male coworkers seem not to understand that option is available to them.

If everyone is dressing one way at work except for you, it could be that they are not all wrong.  I work for an old, established, large company.  The culture here is you wear long sleeves and dress pants.  The temperature is set to account for that.  You can fight it, but you won't win.

Or, it could be that they are.   https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/07/22/europe-to-america-your-love-of-air-conditioning-is-stupid/

Over air conditioning is super wasteful and using the excuse of the long-time good old boys' culture as to why the company can't progress is a lame one.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9714 on: August 04, 2015, 04:54:09 PM »
Are you familiar with the works of Shan Yu?
No. Do tell.

A psychotic dictator who wrote sadistic crap legitimized by florid prose.

Your line was reminiscent from a different episode of the same TV series, Firefly.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9715 on: August 04, 2015, 05:25:15 PM »
At my work, the male managers wear dress shirts and ties with vests, and the male pharmacists wear dress shirts and ties with lab jackets. I think the AC is set to accommodate those groups of people. The managers have a fairly physically demanding job as well, which doesn't help.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9716 on: August 04, 2015, 05:47:40 PM »
At my work, the male managers wear dress shirts and ties with vests, and the male pharmacists wear dress shirts and ties with lab jackets. I think the AC is set to accommodate those groups of people. The managers have a fairly physically demanding job as well, which doesn't help.

Probably it is set based on what's generally comfortable for men in suits.

" Their study, published Monday in the journal Nature Climate Change, says that most office buildings set temperatures based on a decades-old formula that uses the metabolic rates of men......
Researchers found the women’s average metabolic rate was 20 to 32 percent lower than rates in the standard chart used to set building temperature."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/04/science/chilly-at-work-a-decades-old-formula-may-be-to-blame.html
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« Reply #9717 on: August 04, 2015, 09:13:29 PM »
I don't think the fact that, on average, Americans overuse air conditioning can possibly be up for debate.
I travel a lot for work and every time I enter in a hotel room it's like I open the fridge door.
I see many girls in offices with HEATERS.
In the summer.

But, short sleeve shirts should be a constitutional crime against style, possibly punishable by death.
Wear a polo.

Sorry, my Italian genes obliged me to say this.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9718 on: August 04, 2015, 09:20:25 PM »
Cloth isn't allowed in my building

How is cloth not allowed?

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, but when I priced it out, I figured it would be about a wash for the first child and you'd start coming out ahead with your second and any subsequent children.

Yes, fitted cloth diapers only win with the second child, because they cost a whole lot more than you would expect.

No need to buy fitteds though. Prefolds with a snappi work just as well and are heaps cheaper, so you come out ahead even on the first child.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9719 on: August 04, 2015, 09:22:25 PM »
I don't think the fact that, on average, Americans overuse air conditioning can possibly be up for debate.
I travel a lot for work and every time I enter in a hotel room it's like I open the fridge door.
I see many girls in offices with HEATERS.
In the summer.

It's even worse than it sounds.  I've installed many an HVAC control system that included a 'tempering system' in the ductwork near an office.  This is basicly an electric resistive heater in the air conditioning ductwork, that runs to keep a particular office from getting too cool while the building/floor AC chiller is running.  It made me sick to even think about how wasteful such a system is, energy wise.  IIRC, the only reason that automatic dampers couldn't be used instead is there is some law that requires a minimum air exchange, and the damper method couldn't be certain to make that regulation.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9720 on: August 04, 2015, 09:55:04 PM »
I don't think the fact that, on average, Americans overuse air conditioning can possibly be up for debate.
I travel a lot for work and every time I enter in a hotel room it's like I open the fridge door.
I see many girls in offices with HEATERS.
In the summer.


Yeah, this is me. And I'm not underdressed - I also have a wool sweater on. It's totally insane. How much must businesses be wasting on completely unnecessary A/C?

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« Reply #9721 on: August 05, 2015, 07:20:51 AM »
But, short sleeve shirts should be a constitutional crime against style, possibly punishable by death.

Especially with a necktie.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9722 on: August 05, 2015, 07:21:00 AM »

A psychotic dictator who wrote sadistic crap legitimized by florid prose.

Your line was reminiscent from a different episode of the same TV series, Firefly.

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Jubal Early: You ever been shot?
Simon: No.
Jubal Early: You oughta be shot. Or stabbed, lose a leg. To be a surgeon, you know? Know what kind of pain you're dealing with. They make psychiatrists get psychoanalyzed before they can get certified, but they don't make a surgeon get cut on. That seem right to you?
Hehe... yeah, that is not a coincidence. <3 Firefly. I just don't remember Shan Yu.

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« Reply #9723 on: August 05, 2015, 07:22:52 AM »
Sorry English is not my native language, maybe I am not explaining with the right words.

Polo:


Capital-punishment-deserving crime against humanity:


@MoonShadow are you telling me that in the U.S. we actually install heaters inside of A/C vents?
How fucked up is that?
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9724 on: August 05, 2015, 07:26:13 AM »

"Hello guys how are you doing today?"

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9725 on: August 05, 2015, 07:31:04 AM »
Overheard on the way to work:

Professional panhandler. He was talking about his spots with his lady and how well he was doing. Seriously, dude earns more per day than minimum wage (significantly more) and doesn't pay tax on it. This is why I never give money to them.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9726 on: August 05, 2015, 08:04:57 AM »
There is nothing wrong with a short sleeve button down shirt. I have a couple of those as part of my work clothes.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9727 on: August 05, 2015, 08:08:07 AM »
Sorry English is not my native language, maybe I am not explaining with the right words.

Polo:


Capital-punishment-deserving crime against humanity:


@MoonShadow are you telling me that in the U.S. we actually install heaters inside of A/C vents?
How fucked up is that?

Polo shirts are an abomination unto the lord. They don't look good on anyone. I especially hate it when companies make women wear them. Just so basic and awful.

A nice short-sleeve dress shirt, possibly in seersucker or a linen, is much much more attractive to my eyes.

I agree with not wearing a tie with it, though. It's too hot for ties in the summer anyway.

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« Reply #9728 on: August 05, 2015, 08:20:02 AM »
Sorry English is not my native language, maybe I am not explaining with the right words.

Polo:


Capital-punishment-deserving crime against humanity:


@MoonShadow are you telling me that in the U.S. we actually install heaters inside of A/C vents?
How fucked up is that?

Polo shirts are an abomination unto the lord. They don't look good on anyone. I especially hate it when companies make women wear them. Just so basic and awful.

A nice short-sleeve dress shirt, possibly in seersucker or a linen, is much much more attractive to my eyes.

I agree with not wearing a tie with it, though. It's too hot for ties in the summer anyway.

I think the photo above would prove your statement that polos don't look good on anyone wrong. I think the problem tends to be more that the work required polos are usually badly fitting/ too big.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9729 on: August 05, 2015, 08:21:17 AM »
I guess it's a matter of opinion. Polo shirts scream "basic fratboy" to me, regardless of the fit, color, cut, whatever.

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« Reply #9730 on: August 05, 2015, 08:27:04 AM »
I guess it's a matter of opinion. Polo shirts scream "basic fratboy" to me, regardless of the fit, color, cut, whatever.

I'm reading this while wearing a polo.  :(

Eh - I'm OK.  :)


And to add an "Overheard at Work" conversation:  I was talking about how uncomfortable I was with spending the money for the car I just bought.  I paid $4500 for a 2005 Mazda, and I really like the car - but that was a lot of cash out of the stash.  One of my coworkers:

CW: You're worried about $4500?  That Chevy Tahoe we just bought costs $62k!
Me: Sweet merciful crap!
CW: Oh, we didn't pay that, though.  We paid just $57k.  But with three kids now, we really needed the space.

Coworker is a manager, but given the company salary ranges that's probably 2/3 of a year's salary.  She commutes 25 miles one way in that vehicle by herself every day.  Her husband commutes 60 miles the other direction.
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« Reply #9731 on: August 05, 2015, 08:29:37 AM »
I guess it's a matter of opinion. Polo shirts scream "basic fratboy" to me, regardless of the fit, color, cut, whatever.

Collar down, normal guy;  collar popped - Fratboy.

Collar popped with khaki shorts and boat shoes - someone who deserves to be set on fire.  Not FIRE, but fire, like with flames and such.

I usually associate polo shirts with 'business casual' or golfing. 

A short sleeve button-down is associated in my mind with someone who will ramble on about something only they find interesting in way too much detail.


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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9732 on: August 05, 2015, 08:33:27 AM »
I guess it's a matter of opinion. Polo shirts scream "basic fratboy" to me, regardless of the fit, color, cut, whatever.

To me, Polo shirts scream mustachian because they're inexpensive, can be worn in just about any non-formal setting, and can be worn with just about any bottom.

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« Reply #9733 on: August 05, 2015, 08:42:03 AM »
I guess it's a matter of opinion. Polo shirts scream "basic fratboy" to me, regardless of the fit, color, cut, whatever.

You're not the only one.  Not so much 'basic fratboy' for me but 'generic person'.

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« Reply #9734 on: August 05, 2015, 08:54:24 AM »
I guess it's a matter of opinion. Polo shirts scream "basic fratboy" to me, regardless of the fit, color, cut, whatever.

You're not the only one.  Not so much 'basic fratboy' for me but 'generic person'.

Very interesting to see all the polo shirt hate. I wear them every single day. Cheap, casual, comfortable, breathable.

Also, since when are we defined by our clothing/style/look? Am I on the correct forum?

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« Reply #9735 on: August 05, 2015, 08:55:21 AM »
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Polo shirts are an abomination unto the lord. They don't look good on anyone. I especially hate it when companies make women wear them. Just so basic and awful.

Both women and men at my work wear polos, and they're smart, successful, kind, and interesting people who appreciate having an easy "uniform" to throw on in the morning so they can save their brainpower for generating more awesomeness.

What's with the critique of what people wear and how they look? If it's functional and clean, why give a shit? Consumer suckas care about crap like that.


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« Reply #9736 on: August 05, 2015, 08:58:28 AM »
Also, since when are we defined by our clothing/style/look? Am I on the correct forum?

:-) I could care less what people wear, but what you chose to wear does reflect something about you, whether you want it to or not, even if what it says is 'i don't give a fuck'.  So you're a generic person, own it ;-P

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9737 on: August 05, 2015, 08:59:16 AM »
Just throwing this out there - I LOVE it when guys wear a short-sleeved dress shirt unbuttoned with a fitted white t shirt or tank underneath. I have a serious weakness for that look. Obviously without a tie though.

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« Reply #9738 on: August 05, 2015, 09:02:15 AM »
I guess it's a matter of opinion. Polo shirts scream "basic fratboy" to me, regardless of the fit, color, cut, whatever.

You're not the only one.  Not so much 'basic fratboy' for me but 'generic person'.

My husband wears a polo shirt and jeans to work everyday. He works in a lab, so he needs something cheap, because invariably acid will burn tiny holes through his shirts (the lab coats they give them SUCK), but he is a high level professional in the lab, so he needs to look put together (lower level people usually just wear t-shirts, often with logos and slogans).  JC Penny has great sales on polo-style shirts.

I'm fine with it being "generic" dress, because he isn't trying to make a statement with it.

I have to admit, I'm more likely to judge someone who uses the word "basic" than someone wearing a polo (even if they have boat shoes. I've never actually SEEN a popped collar in real life.)   Maybe I'm just getting old, but the whole "basic" thing just makes no sense to me at all.


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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9739 on: August 05, 2015, 09:02:22 AM »
Also, since when are we defined by our clothing/style/look? Am I on the correct forum?

:-) I could care less what people wear, but what you chose to wear does reflect something about you, whether you want it to or not, even if what it says is 'i don't give a fuck'.  So you're a generic person, own it ;-P

In a single day, I can be seen in either dress slacks and a button up OR suit and tie, AND shorts or jeans with a generic T-shirt (probably with a band name on it).  The next day, I can probably be seen in seersucker or khaki shorts and polo, THEN swim trunks, followed by jeans and a hoody.

What does that say about me?

You dress for the occasion. Golf course, that means golf shirt. Work, that means dress clothes, and sometimes Polo's get into that mix. Home, something comfortable and cheap.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9740 on: August 05, 2015, 09:03:38 AM »
I guess it's a matter of opinion. Polo shirts scream "basic fratboy" to me, regardless of the fit, color, cut, whatever.

You're not the only one.  Not so much 'basic fratboy' for me but 'generic person'.

Very interesting to see all the polo shirt hate. I wear them every single day. Cheap, casual, comfortable, breathable.

Also, since when are we defined by our clothing/style/look? Am I on the correct forum?

I'm confused about why looking generic is bad. Not everyone is interested in expressing their unique special snowflakeness via clothing, and a polo shirt is handy because it's appropriate in most situations, fairly comfortable, easy to acquire inexpensively and easy to launder at home.

folks can wear what they want. i can like it or not.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9741 on: August 05, 2015, 09:05:11 AM »
Oh, and boat shoes are wonderful! Comfy (well, I put birkenstock inserts in all my shoes anyways), last a long time, look good with shorts, jeans, khaki's, even some wool slacks... Oh, and they're great on my boat too.

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« Reply #9742 on: August 05, 2015, 09:07:59 AM »
Oh, and boat shoes are wonderful! Comfy (well, I put birkenstock inserts in all my shoes anyways), last a long time, look good with shorts, jeans, khaki's, even some wool slacks... Oh, and they're great on my boat too.

And you don't need socks with them, so that's a frugality bonus!

And when they start to stink, just put htem in a zip lock bag and in the freezer overnight.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9743 on: August 05, 2015, 09:10:00 AM »
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                I guess it's a matter of opinion. Polo shirts scream "basic fratboy" to me, regardless of the fit, color, cut, whatever.


            You're not the only one.  Not so much 'basic fratboy' for me but 'generic person'.


        Very interesting to see all the polo shirt hate. I wear them every single day. Cheap, casual, comfortable, breathable.

        Also, since when are we defined by our clothing/style/look? Am I on the correct forum?


    I'm confused about why looking generic is bad. Not everyone is interested in expressing their unique special snowflakeness via clothing, and a polo shirt is handy because it's appropriate in most situations, fairly comfortable, easy to acquire inexpensively and easy to launder at home.


folks can wear what they want. i can like it or not.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Of course you can, but you're perpetuating consumerism. On this forum, that gets you a Facepunch.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9744 on: August 05, 2015, 09:10:57 AM »
Popped collars are a prep school subculture thing; everyone popped them where I went to high school. Apparently, we are now lighting teenagers on fire for making dubious fashion choices, which seems rather cruel.

Must just be regional, or you went to high school a long time ago. I've hung out with plenty of polo-shirt, white shorts, boat shoes kind of guys (who, yes, were all in frats)- never seen the popped collar. But that was in Texas, not New England.

I've never been a fashion-plate. I'm sure people judge me for my laziness, but whatever. As long as I don't look like I smell bad (and don't smell bad) that's good enough for me.  I have nice outfits for client meetings.

Teenagers have always made bad fashion choices, and adults (and other teens) have always judged them for it. I used to joke that the way you could tell I wasn't a student when I worked at a university (I look very young for my age) was my shoes. I usually wore something like Merrells- comfortable, easy to walk in. The girls going to class- man they all wore some crazy 'fashionable' shoes.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9745 on: August 05, 2015, 09:12:18 AM »
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                I guess it's a matter of opinion. Polo shirts scream "basic fratboy" to me, regardless of the fit, color, cut, whatever.


            You're not the only one.  Not so much 'basic fratboy' for me but 'generic person'.


        Very interesting to see all the polo shirt hate. I wear them every single day. Cheap, casual, comfortable, breathable.

        Also, since when are we defined by our clothing/style/look? Am I on the correct forum?


    I'm confused about why looking generic is bad. Not everyone is interested in expressing their unique special snowflakeness via clothing, and a polo shirt is handy because it's appropriate in most situations, fairly comfortable, easy to acquire inexpensively and easy to launder at home.


folks can wear what they want. i can like it or not.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Of course you can, but you're perpetuating consumerism. On this forum, that gets you a Facepunch.

how is not liking polo shirts perpetuating consumerism? that doesn't make any sense at all.

it's not like polo shirts are $10 and every other kind of shirt in the world is $1000. there are some very expensive polo shirts out there, and to my eyes they are every bit as ugly as the cheap ones.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9746 on: August 05, 2015, 09:16:07 AM »
Also, since when are we defined by our clothing/style/look? Am I on the correct forum?

:-) I could care less what people wear, but what you chose to wear does reflect something about you, whether you want it to or not, even if what it says is 'i don't give a fuck'.  So you're a generic person, own it ;-P

Interesting. I see it in another way. What a person thinks about my appearance tells me a lot about that persons' character/values. I'm not saying I don't judge people sometimes based on how they look, but if you don't dig deeper you never really know.

I'm not defined by my clothing, just like I'm not defined by my job, education, car, or anything else. Those things are all a small part of me, but any of them can be changed. I change my clothes often, as mtn points out, to fit the occasion.

I went to a business meeting recently with a CW and a very important person who we knew would likely be dressed very well. It was a Friday, which for me (and usually my CW) means jeans, polo, tennis shoes.  I wore the usual, CW wore a fancy suit.

I'm not interested in impressing anyone with my clothes. If you choose not to work with me based on the jeans/polo, your loss.

@miss madge, I agree, you can like it or not, your choice. I just hope it doesn't preclude you from actually working with/knowing that person. You don't need to be attracted to someone or like what they're wearing to have a positive interaction with them.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9747 on: August 05, 2015, 09:20:34 AM »
Also, since when are we defined by our clothing/style/look? Am I on the correct forum?

:-) I could care less what people wear, but what you chose to wear does reflect something about you, whether you want it to or not, even if what it says is 'i don't give a fuck'.  So you're a generic person, own it ;-P

Also, I'm Joanna, not Brian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJtrLKGZZFg

If that makes me generic, fine, I'll own it. I hate this goddamn job and I don't need it!


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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9748 on: August 05, 2015, 09:24:50 AM »
I guess it's a matter of opinion. Polo shirts scream "basic fratboy" to me, regardless of the fit, color, cut, whatever.

You're not the only one.  Not so much 'basic fratboy' for me but 'generic person'.

My husband wears a polo shirt and jeans to work everyday. He works in a lab, so he needs something cheap, because invariably acid will burn tiny holes through his shirts (the lab coats they give them SUCK), but he is a high level professional in the lab, so he needs to look put together (lower level people usually just wear t-shirts, often with logos and slogans).  JC Penny has great sales on polo-style shirts.

I'm fine with it being "generic" dress, because he isn't trying to make a statement with it.

I have to admit, I'm more likely to judge someone who uses the word "basic" than someone wearing a polo (even if they have boat shoes. I've never actually SEEN a popped collar in real life.)   Maybe I'm just getting old, but the whole "basic" thing just makes no sense to me at all.

Popped collars are a prep school subculture thing; everyone popped them where I went to high school. Apparently, we are now lighting teenagers on fire for making dubious fashion choices, which seems rather cruel.

Popping your collar is a great way to keep the sun off your neck, especially if you forget the sunscreen.  Boat shoes are great when you are on a boat or near other slippery areas (beach, pool).  Shorts are good when it's hot!  I sometimes wear any of the above, I think people have a problem with things like popped collars inside, sunglasses at night, etc

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« Reply #9749 on: August 05, 2015, 09:28:02 AM »
I guess it's a matter of opinion. Polo shirts scream "basic fratboy" to me, regardless of the fit, color, cut, whatever.

You're not the only one.  Not so much 'basic fratboy' for me but 'generic person'.

My husband wears a polo shirt and jeans to work everyday. He works in a lab, so he needs something cheap, because invariably acid will burn tiny holes through his shirts (the lab coats they give them SUCK), but he is a high level professional in the lab, so he needs to look put together (lower level people usually just wear t-shirts, often with logos and slogans).  JC Penny has great sales on polo-style shirts.

I'm fine with it being "generic" dress, because he isn't trying to make a statement with it.

I have to admit, I'm more likely to judge someone who uses the word "basic" than someone wearing a polo (even if they have boat shoes. I've never actually SEEN a popped collar in real life.)   Maybe I'm just getting old, but the whole "basic" thing just makes no sense to me at all.

Popped collars are a prep school subculture thing; everyone popped them where I went to high school. Apparently, we are now lighting teenagers on fire for making dubious fashion choices, which seems rather cruel.

Popping your collar is a great way to keep the sun off your neck, especially if you forget the sunscreen.  Boat shoes are great when you are on a boat or near other slippery areas (beach, pool).  Shorts are good when it's hot!  I sometimes wear any of the above, I think people have a problem with things like popped collars inside, sunglasses at night, etc


I forgot about that... I used to pop my collar all the time, back when I was a caddy. Although usually just the back portion of it, I kept the front down.