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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9400 on: July 20, 2015, 06:11:47 PM »
A superannuation company hosted a free lunch and Q&A (i.e. recruiting drive) at my office last week.

I had to bite my tongue when my boss asked: "So, ballpark figure, how much do we need to have in super for retirement?"

He's 54 with two young children.

After the presentation I sent him a link to MMM's Getting Rich: from Zero to Hero in One Blog Post.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9401 on: July 20, 2015, 07:55:15 PM »
Forgot to add above:

One of my husband's colleagues recently moved in with his girlfriend. For the colleague's 30th, the girlfriend gave him an all-expenses-paid island holiday.

(At the time I felt a bit inferior. We don't spend that kind of money on birthdays. Does that make me a bad wife???)

Found out last night she just admitted to $30k in credit card debt.

I just ran some numbers on an online calculator and texted my husband to say if she busts her arse to pay it off in two years, she will still be paying more in CC payments than we pay in rent. At minimum payments of $490/month, it would take 22 years...

So that birthday present doesn't look so hot after all.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9402 on: July 20, 2015, 07:57:40 PM »
So that birthday present doesn't look so hot after all.

Yeah, I wonder how often that happens. I think this happens to quite a few people that seem to have more fun than I do.

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« Reply #9403 on: July 20, 2015, 10:55:17 PM »
So that birthday present doesn't look so hot after all.

Yeah, I wonder how often that happens. I think this happens to quite a few people that seem to have more fun than I do.

Makes it awkward for him, too. He had been raving about how much she earns, how they were going to buy a house... not with that hanging over her head.

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« Reply #9404 on: July 21, 2015, 01:40:46 AM »

My issue with the alternatives for the wipes is how many chemicals they put in them, but 7 cents/wipe does hurt.

Genuine question about all these 'homemade wipes' recipes - why can't you just use soap and water? I can understand wipes when out and about, but surely people are at home for many many changes a day.

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« Reply #9405 on: July 21, 2015, 01:50:52 AM »

My issue with the alternatives for the wipes is how many chemicals they put in them, but 7 cents/wipe does hurt.

Genuine question about all these 'homemade wipes' recipes - why can't you just use soap and water? I can understand wipes when out and about, but surely people are at home for many many changes a day.

Just use a baby bidet.  You'll never go back.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9406 on: July 21, 2015, 04:19:35 AM »
So that birthday present doesn't look so hot after all.

Yeah, I wonder how often that happens. I think this happens to quite a few people that seem to have more fun than I do.

Yeah, we have a young couple in our neighborhood that are always travelling to some Caribbean island.  They both make decent salaries, but I'm convinced they're living paycheck to paycheck.  That or they come from money.  Either way, they're having more fun than me!?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9407 on: July 21, 2015, 05:25:15 AM »
You can use a flannel with water/baby shampoo mix (soap may be too harsh for baby skin). Wipes are good as the skin dries pretty quick (so the baby doesn't get a rash). With a flannel you would either need a drying flannel, or to wait/wave the baby around until it was dry for powder/cream as needed. Then you have a lot of dirty flannels to wash. Wipes are super convenient.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9408 on: July 21, 2015, 08:19:14 AM »
I'm interning at a fortune 500 company for the summer.

When I first started, I'd get invited to go out to lunch every Friday. I politely declined but probably alienated myself a little bit from the other young engineers. In the cafeteria where I eat my packed lunch, there are a couple people that I see every day. I wonder if they are also mustachians. About 170 people work at my location so someone else has to know about this forum right?

Here is one from today:

Unfortunately, I missed the beginning of the conversation so I only caught the end.

Coworker 1: "Unfortunately, I'm gonna have to rely on my 401L"
Coworker 2: "What's a 401L?"
Coworker 1: "401 lottery"

Other things that make me irk:
-Going out to lunch every day
-hour long commutes
-fancy pants cars in the parking lot
-nobody bikes to work even though we have shower and are centered in a low cost of living nice middle class community

To be fair, I have a 30 minute commute but that's only because I'm temporarily staying with family for my 12 week internship. My rent costs are $0.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9409 on: July 21, 2015, 08:29:09 AM »
I'm interning at a fortune 500 company for the summer.


I dislike being "that guy," but I applaud you having a good idea about your finances at your age. I totally don't mean to be patronizing.

One thing about going out for lunches on Fridays, it may be an expense worth it. Occasionally I'll eat out even though I don't want to because the socializing and networking helps.

Let me give you an example, I was in Chicago for work a few months ago. I didn't want to go out for drinks with another exhibitor, but did so, and while over drinks I mentioned wanting to move a particular product line. That exhibitor lit up because she had a customer looking for the exact thing. Due to paying $10 for drinks (after tax and tip), I got a business source that bought about $3000 the next day, not a bad ROI. Of course, this is just one an example that worked out. If I always got this return, I would live in that bar.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9410 on: July 21, 2015, 08:43:57 AM »

My issue with the alternatives for the wipes is how many chemicals they put in them, but 7 cents/wipe does hurt.

Genuine question about all these 'homemade wipes' recipes - why can't you just use soap and water? I can understand wipes when out and about, but surely people are at home for many many changes a day.

You probably could, but babies are small, wiggly and slippery when wet. I would rather not hold one over a sink or tub for cleaning. I used to shower with my baby and I've had to stop as she gets more mobile because I'm concerned about dropping her.

But you clean the baby with wipes whilst they are lying down - why not use cotton wool and water or a flannel in a similar way? Surely you wouldn't have to give them a bath everytime, or wipes wouldn't work? (I'm clueless about babies though, so thanks for your responses)

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9411 on: July 21, 2015, 08:52:05 AM »

Oh, I misunderstood. When you said soap and water, I assumed you meant holding the baby under a faucet, which is just asking for trouble. You can absolutely moisten flannel with soapy water and clean the baby that way. My coop rules forbid washing diapers in the communal laundry machines, so I assume that goes for wipes as well. As it is, wipes cost us about a dollar a week, and I'm really okay with spending the money.

Ah ha, I get you. Sounds like your rules wouldn't allow it, that's so annoying. I know from having friends with kids that wipes are surprisingly useful to have around though.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9412 on: July 21, 2015, 10:15:27 AM »
I dislike being "that guy," but I applaud you having a good idea about your finances at your age. I totally don't mean to be patronizing.
I second that. Good job.
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Let me give you an example, I was in Chicago for work a few months ago. I didn't want to go out for drinks with another exhibitor, but did so, and while over drinks I mentioned wanting to move a particular product line. That exhibitor lit up because she had a customer looking for the exact thing. Due to paying $10 for drinks (after tax and tip), I got a business source that bought about $3000 the next day, not a bad ROI. Of course, this is just one an example that worked out. If I always got this return, I would live in that bar.
I've drastically reduced spontaneously eating/drinking out for my own sake; DW and I maybe go 1-2x a month at this point. However, I still average once per week with a certain group of friends, which is easily justified by the pace of real estate leads I get from that group. Sadly, I haven't been able to execute a deal yet as a result, but even one small house a year would return several times what I spend, and I genuinely enjoy their company too.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9413 on: July 21, 2015, 10:47:43 AM »
One thing about going out for lunches on Fridays, it may be an expense worth it. Occasionally I'll eat out even though I don't want to because the socializing and networking helps.

+1000

The whole point of an internship is to get a (better) job when you graduate.  You don't want to be labeled the "weird loner".  Every company loves the "team player" buzzword when they go to hire people, and I guarantee the young engineers you're working with will be asked at the end of the summer which interns are potential hires.  Who do you think they are going to recommend, assuming all of the interns are equally qualified?  Spend the $10 a week on the group lunch and consider it an investment in your future.  Even if this place doesn't pan out long term, these other young engineers will have friends at other places looking for entry level employees.


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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9414 on: July 21, 2015, 10:52:26 AM »
One thing about going out for lunches on Fridays, it may be an expense worth it. Occasionally I'll eat out even though I don't want to because the socializing and networking helps.

+1000

The whole point of an internship is to get a (better) job when you graduate.  You don't want to be labeled the "weird loner".  Every company loves the "team player" buzzword when they go to hire people, and I guarantee the young engineers you're working with will be asked at the end of the summer which interns are potential hires.  Who do you think they are going to recommend, assuming all of the interns are equally qualified?  Spend the $10 a week on the group lunch and consider it an investment in your future.  Even if this place doesn't pan out long term, these other young engineers will have friends at other places looking for entry level employees.

This.

And remember, it isn't a permanent thing. When you get a full time gig, every time for the first month or so that someone asks if you want to go to lunch, join them. Especially if they're a higher level than you. After a month, pull back on that to about once a month, or whatever you deem is the correct amount.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9415 on: July 21, 2015, 11:14:17 AM »
A 26 year old co-worker just "bought" a new car, financed 100% with negative equity rolled into it from her trade-in.

She was proud of the way she handled the salesman when they started to "get confusing" about her trade-in amount. She described her conversation as "Look, I don't care what you do with the trade-in value or the price of the car, do whatever you have to do, but my payment needs to be less than what I'm paying now."

Oy.

I think we have similar coworkers. I didn't even know you could roll negative equity into a new loan, that was a weird conversation to have.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9416 on: July 21, 2015, 11:23:47 AM »

My issue with the alternatives for the wipes is how many chemicals they put in them, but 7 cents/wipe does hurt.

Genuine question about all these 'homemade wipes' recipes - why can't you just use soap and water? I can understand wipes when out and about, but surely people are at home for many many changes a day.

You probably could, but babies are small, wiggly and slippery when wet. I would rather not hold one over a sink or tub for cleaning. I used to shower with my baby and I've had to stop as she gets more mobile because I'm concerned about dropping her.

But you clean the baby with wipes whilst they are lying down - why not use cotton wool and water or a flannel in a similar way? Surely you wouldn't have to give them a bath everytime, or wipes wouldn't work? (I'm clueless about babies though, so thanks for your responses)

Oh, I misunderstood. When you said soap and water, I assumed you meant holding the baby under a faucet, which is just asking for trouble. You can absolutely moisten flannel with soapy water and clean the baby that way. My coop rules forbid washing diapers in the communal laundry machines, so I assume that goes for wipes as well. As it is, wipes cost us about a dollar a week, and I'm really okay with spending the money.
My older son's daycare did that, actually.  Has for 30-40 years.  Big industrial sink.  She just tucks the babies in her arm and runs them under the faucet.  Very "green" before green was a thing.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9417 on: July 21, 2015, 12:05:05 PM »
One thing about going out for lunches on Fridays, it may be an expense worth it. Occasionally I'll eat out even though I don't want to because the socializing and networking helps.

+1000

The whole point of an internship is to get a (better) job when you graduate.  You don't want to be labeled the "weird loner".  Every company loves the "team player" buzzword when they go to hire people, and I guarantee the young engineers you're working with will be asked at the end of the summer which interns are potential hires.  Who do you think they are going to recommend, assuming all of the interns are equally qualified?  Spend the $10 a week on the group lunch and consider it an investment in your future.  Even if this place doesn't pan out long term, these other young engineers will have friends at other places looking for entry level employees.

This.

And remember, it isn't a permanent thing. When you get a full time gig, every time for the first month or so that someone asks if you want to go to lunch, join them. Especially if they're a higher level than you. After a month, pull back on that to about once a month, or whatever you deem is the correct amount.

I'll have to agree with this as well. The importance of network (especially at temp position) is too important to miss. And once you have a few lunches under your belt you can always suggest lower cost place. As an intern you have a great excuse to say "oh you're going to X? Don't think my budget will fit that - what about Y?" Plus you never know when your CW will cover your lunch.  I've done unofficial lunches when interns just start where the junior engineers will split the bill to cover the interns (although this usually only occcurs the first time or two).

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9418 on: July 21, 2015, 12:28:02 PM »
One thing about going out for lunches on Fridays, it may be an expense worth it. Occasionally I'll eat out even though I don't want to because the socializing and networking helps.

+1000

The whole point of an internship is to get a (better) job when you graduate.  You don't want to be labeled the "weird loner".  Every company loves the "team player" buzzword when they go to hire people, and I guarantee the young engineers you're working with will be asked at the end of the summer which interns are potential hires.  Who do you think they are going to recommend, assuming all of the interns are equally qualified?  Spend the $10 a week on the group lunch and consider it an investment in your future.  Even if this place doesn't pan out long term, these other young engineers will have friends at other places looking for entry level employees.

This.

And remember, it isn't a permanent thing. When you get a full time gig, every time for the first month or so that someone asks if you want to go to lunch, join them. Especially if they're a higher level than you. After a month, pull back on that to about once a month, or whatever you deem is the correct amount.

A trick that's worked for me is "Oh, I don't do Mexican, (Or whatever the most expensive place is) my stomach always reacts poorly to it let me know when you hit that Greek place (Or whatever the cheap place is), I just love it!" Using this technique, you are snubbing the restaurant, not the invitee and you are only going to the cheapest places. I have one boss who I have only ever seen join the guys for lunch at Subway - everywhere else "takes too long for his packed schedule."

"Casa Bonita? - I can't spend the whole afternoon on the can"......problem solved

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9419 on: July 21, 2015, 12:42:58 PM »
One thing about going out for lunches on Fridays, it may be an expense worth it. Occasionally I'll eat out even though I don't want to because the socializing and networking helps.

+1000

The whole point of an internship is to get a (better) job when you graduate.  You don't want to be labeled the "weird loner".  Every company loves the "team player" buzzword when they go to hire people, and I guarantee the young engineers you're working with will be asked at the end of the summer which interns are potential hires.  Who do you think they are going to recommend, assuming all of the interns are equally qualified?  Spend the $10 a week on the group lunch and consider it an investment in your future.  Even if this place doesn't pan out long term, these other young engineers will have friends at other places looking for entry level employees.

This.

And remember, it isn't a permanent thing. When you get a full time gig, every time for the first month or so that someone asks if you want to go to lunch, join them. Especially if they're a higher level than you. After a month, pull back on that to about once a month, or whatever you deem is the correct amount.

A trick that's worked for me is "Oh, I don't do Mexican, (Or whatever the most expensive place is) my stomach always reacts poorly to it let me know when you hit that Greek place (Or whatever the cheap place is), I just love it!" Using this technique, you are snubbing the restaurant, not the invitee and you are only going to the cheapest places. I have one boss who I have only ever seen join the guys for lunch at Subway - everywhere else "takes too long for his packed schedule."

"Casa Bonita? - I can't spend the whole afternoon on the can"......problem solved

I'm going to disagree on this. If you don't like a place or can't tolerate it, that's one thing, but I wouldn't say that you can't stomach Mexican. One lie leads to another and it's just too hard for me to keep up with them. You don't want to say that you can't handle Mexican and then a week later your supervisor sees you at a Mexican restaurant.

Also, no one likes that person that shoots down most places. If you find that people around you are sighing and saying, "Fine, where do you want to go," because you've shot down the places they've recommended, you can lose friends that way, or at least look bad to your colleagues.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9420 on: July 21, 2015, 03:09:16 PM »
Company provided lunch for everyone today, all of the drivers were told that yesterday so they wouldn't have to pack a lunch if they usually do. Needless to say one stupid employee that has been mentioned on this thread many times before was spotted on the gps system stopped at Togo's.

Guy spent $12 on a sandwich, chips, and a drink and then got back to the office where food was waiting... sandwiches, chips, and drinks from Togo's.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9421 on: July 22, 2015, 07:33:35 AM »
Company provided lunch for everyone today, all of the drivers were told that yesterday so they wouldn't have to pack a lunch if they usually do. Needless to say one stupid employee that has been mentioned on this thread many times before was spotted on the gps system stopped at Togo's.

Guy spent $12 on a sandwich, chips, and a drink and then got back to the office where food was waiting... sandwiches, chips, and drinks from Togo's.

There's a guy at my work that does this every time - but on purpose.  If work brings in BBQ, he'll leave and go get the same thing but not have to 'deal with the rest of the workers'.  This guy is 65+ and still basically entry level, no one seems to like him for some reason.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9422 on: July 22, 2015, 08:15:26 AM »
One thing about going out for lunches on Fridays, it may be an expense worth it. Occasionally I'll eat out even though I don't want to because the socializing and networking helps.

+1000

The whole point of an internship is to get a (better) job when you graduate.  You don't want to be labeled the "weird loner".  Every company loves the "team player" buzzword when they go to hire people, and I guarantee the young engineers you're working with will be asked at the end of the summer which interns are potential hires.  Who do you think they are going to recommend, assuming all of the interns are equally qualified?  Spend the $10 a week on the group lunch and consider it an investment in your future.  Even if this place doesn't pan out long term, these other young engineers will have friends at other places looking for entry level employees.

This.

And remember, it isn't a permanent thing. When you get a full time gig, every time for the first month or so that someone asks if you want to go to lunch, join them. Especially if they're a higher level than you. After a month, pull back on that to about once a month, or whatever you deem is the correct amount.

A trick that's worked for me is "Oh, I don't do Mexican, (Or whatever the most expensive place is) my stomach always reacts poorly to it let me know when you hit that Greek place (Or whatever the cheap place is), I just love it!" Using this technique, you are snubbing the restaurant, not the invitee and you are only going to the cheapest places. I have one boss who I have only ever seen join the guys for lunch at Subway - everywhere else "takes too long for his packed schedule."

"Casa Bonita? - I can't spend the whole afternoon on the can"......problem solved

I'm going to disagree on this. If you don't like a place or can't tolerate it, that's one thing, but I wouldn't say that you can't stomach Mexican. One lie leads to another and it's just too hard for me to keep up with them. You don't want to say that you can't handle Mexican and then a week later your supervisor sees you at a Mexican restaurant.

Also, no one likes that person that shoots down most places. If you find that people around you are sighing and saying, "Fine, where do you want to go," because you've shot down the places they've recommended, you can lose friends that way, or at least look bad to your colleagues.

My solution for that is to always pack a lunch or just be willing to go out to my own place. It works well for me. The reason is that I'm just a particularly picky eater, but I think the situation still applies. Whenever people are talking about where to go out to lunch, they'll ask if I want to go; if I don't want to go, I just tell them thanks for the offer but I brought lunch, but if I do want to go I'll just throw my lunch in the fridge for the next day. There are some places where my coworkers know I'll never go, so they'll mention it as a courtesy so I know what they're doing but they don't expect me to join.

I agree that if you try to force everyone to go where you want to go every time you'll come off as annoying and no one will invite you, but in my experience no one is sour over just declining the invitation and doing your own thing. Just be polite, thank them for the invitation, and ask them to keep you in the loop in the future with the clause that you just might not go with them every time.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9423 on: July 22, 2015, 11:00:24 AM »
One thing about going out for lunches on Fridays, it may be an expense worth it. Occasionally I'll eat out even though I don't want to because the socializing and networking helps.

+1000

The whole point of an internship is to get a (better) job when you graduate.  You don't want to be labeled the "weird loner".  Every company loves the "team player" buzzword when they go to hire people, and I guarantee the young engineers you're working with will be asked at the end of the summer which interns are potential hires.  Who do you think they are going to recommend, assuming all of the interns are equally qualified?  Spend the $10 a week on the group lunch and consider it an investment in your future.  Even if this place doesn't pan out long term, these other young engineers will have friends at other places looking for entry level employees.

This.

And remember, it isn't a permanent thing. When you get a full time gig, every time for the first month or so that someone asks if you want to go to lunch, join them. Especially if they're a higher level than you. After a month, pull back on that to about once a month, or whatever you deem is the correct amount.

A trick that's worked for me is "Oh, I don't do Mexican, (Or whatever the most expensive place is) my stomach always reacts poorly to it let me know when you hit that Greek place (Or whatever the cheap place is), I just love it!" Using this technique, you are snubbing the restaurant, not the invitee and you are only going to the cheapest places. I have one boss who I have only ever seen join the guys for lunch at Subway - everywhere else "takes too long for his packed schedule."

"Casa Bonita? - I can't spend the whole afternoon on the can"......problem solved

I'm going to disagree on this. If you don't like a place or can't tolerate it, that's one thing, but I wouldn't say that you can't stomach Mexican. One lie leads to another and it's just too hard for me to keep up with them. You don't want to say that you can't handle Mexican and then a week later your supervisor sees you at a Mexican restaurant.

Also, no one likes that person that shoots down most places. If you find that people around you are sighing and saying, "Fine, where do you want to go," because you've shot down the places they've recommended, you can lose friends that way, or at least look bad to your colleagues.

My solution for that is to always pack a lunch or just be willing to go out to my own place. It works well for me. The reason is that I'm just a particularly picky eater, but I think the situation still applies. Whenever people are talking about where to go out to lunch, they'll ask if I want to go; if I don't want to go, I just tell them thanks for the offer but I brought lunch, but if I do want to go I'll just throw my lunch in the fridge for the next day. There are some places where my coworkers know I'll never go, so they'll mention it as a courtesy so I know what they're doing but they don't expect me to join.

I agree that if you try to force everyone to go where you want to go every time you'll come off as annoying and no one will invite you, but in my experience no one is sour over just declining the invitation and doing your own thing. Just be polite, thank them for the invitation, and ask them to keep you in the loop in the future with the clause that you just might not go with them every time.
I remember at my old company, my very sweet coworkers decided to take me to lunch for my birthday.

But the didn't let me pick the place.

I still remember, because they picked Chili's, which doesn't have a whole lot of healthy foods.

This was the year I turned 32, and I'd just lost over 50 pounds, mostly by NEVER EATING OUT.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9424 on: July 22, 2015, 11:10:42 AM »
So yesterday my office had a "going away" lunch for me since next week is my last week.  One of our members from another town in the state brought a bunch of fish that he had caught and did a big fish fry for everyone.  I'm vegan.

And this is one of the reasons I'm really, really glad to be leaving.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9425 on: July 22, 2015, 11:18:56 AM »
Company provided lunch for everyone today, all of the drivers were told that yesterday so they wouldn't have to pack a lunch if they usually do. Needless to say one stupid employee that has been mentioned on this thread many times before was spotted on the gps system stopped at Togo's.

Guy spent $12 on a sandwich, chips, and a drink and then got back to the office where food was waiting... sandwiches, chips, and drinks from Togo's.

There's a guy at my work that does this every time - but on purpose.  If work brings in BBQ, he'll leave and go get the same thing but not have to 'deal with the rest of the workers'.  This guy is 65+ and still basically entry level, no one seems to like him for some reason.

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Gee, I wonder why people don't like him.

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« Reply #9426 on: July 22, 2015, 11:30:39 AM »
So yesterday my office had a "going away" lunch for me since next week is my last week.  One of our members from another town in the state brought a bunch of fish that he had caught and did a big fish fry for everyone.  I'm vegan.

And this is one of the reasons I'm really, really glad to be leaving.

My first company did that for my "going away" lunch. We were supposed to all go out (on expense) to celebrate, but we were really busy, so my final lunch ended up being a working lunch, and the boss ordered in.  Ham sandwiches.

I don't eat pork.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9427 on: July 22, 2015, 11:37:43 AM »
"Waah, waah, waah...I don't eat out, especially not at Chili's."

"Waah, waah, waah...I'm a vegan."

"Waah, waah, waah...I don't eat pork."

There are literally millions of people starving all over the world...just f* eat it!

Sorry, had to get that off my chest.

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« Reply #9428 on: July 22, 2015, 11:40:40 AM »
So yesterday my office had a "going away" lunch for me since next week is my last week.  One of our members from another town in the state brought a bunch of fish that he had caught and did a big fish fry for everyone.  I'm vegan.

And this is one of the reasons I'm really, really glad to be leaving.

My first company did that for my "going away" lunch. We were supposed to all go out (on expense) to celebrate, but we were really busy, so my final lunch ended up being a working lunch, and the boss ordered in.  Ham sandwiches.

I don't eat pork.

In both of your cases, did they do that deliberately or was it an innocent mistake?

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« Reply #9429 on: July 22, 2015, 11:41:34 AM »
"Waah, waah, waah...I don't eat out, especially not at Chili's."

"Waah, waah, waah...I'm a vegan."

"Waah, waah, waah...I don't eat pork."

There are literally millions of people starving all over the world...just f* eat it!

Sorry, had to get that off my chest.

I would advise that you grow up.

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« Reply #9430 on: July 22, 2015, 11:43:04 AM »
One thing about going out for lunches on Fridays, it may be an expense worth it. Occasionally I'll eat out even though I don't want to because the socializing and networking helps.

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The whole point of an internship is to get a (better) job when you graduate.  You don't want to be labeled the "weird loner".  Every company loves the "team player" buzzword when they go to hire people, and I guarantee the young engineers you're working with will be asked at the end of the summer which interns are potential hires.  Who do you think they are going to recommend, assuming all of the interns are equally qualified?  Spend the $10 a week on the group lunch and consider it an investment in your future.  Even if this place doesn't pan out long term, these other young engineers will have friends at other places looking for entry level employees.

This.

And remember, it isn't a permanent thing. When you get a full time gig, every time for the first month or so that someone asks if you want to go to lunch, join them. Especially if they're a higher level than you. After a month, pull back on that to about once a month, or whatever you deem is the correct amount.

A trick that's worked for me is "Oh, I don't do Mexican, (Or whatever the most expensive place is) my stomach always reacts poorly to it let me know when you hit that Greek place (Or whatever the cheap place is), I just love it!" Using this technique, you are snubbing the restaurant, not the invitee and you are only going to the cheapest places. I have one boss who I have only ever seen join the guys for lunch at Subway - everywhere else "takes too long for his packed schedule."

"Casa Bonita? - I can't spend the whole afternoon on the can"......problem solved

I'm going to disagree on this. If you don't like a place or can't tolerate it, that's one thing, but I wouldn't say that you can't stomach Mexican. One lie leads to another and it's just too hard for me to keep up with them. You don't want to say that you can't handle Mexican and then a week later your supervisor sees you at a Mexican restaurant.

Also, no one likes that person that shoots down most places. If you find that people around you are sighing and saying, "Fine, where do you want to go," because you've shot down the places they've recommended, you can lose friends that way, or at least look bad to your colleagues.

My solution for that is to always pack a lunch or just be willing to go out to my own place. It works well for me. The reason is that I'm just a particularly picky eater, but I think the situation still applies. Whenever people are talking about where to go out to lunch, they'll ask if I want to go; if I don't want to go, I just tell them thanks for the offer but I brought lunch, but if I do want to go I'll just throw my lunch in the fridge for the next day. There are some places where my coworkers know I'll never go, so they'll mention it as a courtesy so I know what they're doing but they don't expect me to join.

I agree that if you try to force everyone to go where you want to go every time you'll come off as annoying and no one will invite you, but in my experience no one is sour over just declining the invitation and doing your own thing. Just be polite, thank them for the invitation, and ask them to keep you in the loop in the future with the clause that you just might not go with them every time.
I remember at my old company, my very sweet coworkers decided to take me to lunch for my birthday.

But the didn't let me pick the place.

I still remember, because they picked Chili's, which doesn't have a whole lot of healthy foods.

This was the year I turned 32, and I'd just lost over 50 pounds, mostly by NEVER EATING OUT.

Stolen from elsewhere, but... on your 32nd bday...


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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9431 on: July 22, 2015, 11:46:31 AM »
"Waah, waah, waah...I don't eat out, especially not at Chili's."

"Waah, waah, waah...I'm a vegan."

"Waah, waah, waah...I don't eat pork."

There are literally millions of people starving all over the world...just f* eat it!

Sorry, had to get that off my chest.

In response to the complaint about vegans, yes there are millions of starving people in the world and if more people ate fewer animal products, fewer crops would go to feeding animals for the meat and dairy industries, so there would be enough food for everyone in the world. 

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« Reply #9432 on: July 22, 2015, 11:47:42 AM »
"Waah, waah, waah...I don't eat pork."

Why would I eat it?  Eating it makes me sick. I'm not subjecting myself to that. Not eating it didn't make me starve. It just meant I went a few extra hours without a meal. 

The point was, this was a party IN MY HONOR, with the provided food being something I don't eat.  That's rude.

I didn't whine at the time, I'm not a baby, I just didn't eat. But it sure was a hella thoughtless for a "party".  She made a banner for me though :)

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In both of your cases, did they do that deliberately or was it an innocent mistake?
I think it was a forgetful mistake. She knew I didn't eat pork, as it had always been worked around at other meetings- in fact, this is the first time I can remember there not being choice offered (as lots of people have food restrictions due to religion, allergies, or personal preference). My guess is that it was just very short notice to order food, so she did what was easy.  I don't think it was meant as a slight (though I'm sure you can guess how excited/motivated I was to participate in a "working lunch" on my last day :)  I don't get paid overtime, so it was just extra hours and no meal out at my favorite Mexican restaurant. )
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9433 on: July 22, 2015, 11:51:30 AM »
"Waah, waah, waah...I don't eat out, especially not at Chili's."

"Waah, waah, waah...I'm a vegan."

"Waah, waah, waah...I don't eat pork."

There are literally millions of people starving all over the world...just f* eat it!

Sorry, had to get that off my chest.

In response to the complaint about vegans, yes there are millions of starving people in the world and if more people ate fewer animal products, fewer crops would go to feeding animals for the meat and dairy industries, so there would be enough food for everyone in the world.

All I'm trying to say is, why can't you guys look at the bright side of things? Some people at work are offering you a free meal, and although it may not be what you like/prefer, at least appreciate that they tried and the fact that you're getting to eat, instead of complaining about how they got it wrong.

I have literally seen people fight each other over food scraps...just be grateful for what you have.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9434 on: July 22, 2015, 12:01:36 PM »
"Waah, waah, waah...I don't eat out, especially not at Chili's."

"Waah, waah, waah...I'm a vegan."

"Waah, waah, waah...I don't eat pork."

There are literally millions of people starving all over the world...just f* eat it!

Sorry, had to get that off my chest.
What about allergies to foods, or gluten intolerances, do those count too?

I can't speak for vegans, because I'm not one.

I can speak, however, for having struggled with my weight almost my entire life, spending a very long 6 months counting every calorie (well, points in WW), to lose over 50 pounds.

This involved treating my meal plans like a part time job, never drinking alcohol, never eating out.  It was a HUGE struggle HUGE.

And I can understand that people who have never struggled may not understand it (most of my coworkers were skinny).

Do you take an alcoholic out for a drink on their birthday?

"It's your birthday, treat yourself."  Except:
It's my birthday
Then it's my kids' birthdays
then it's my anniversary
then it's a work lunch
then it's mom's night out
then it's a well-deserved date night
then it's a party at a friend's house
then it's vacation
then it's a friend's birthday
then it's a going away party
then it's lunch out with a friend who is in town
then it's a hot day, and friends are visiting, and there is ice cream

There are quite literally "special occasions" twice a week sometimes.  At least 5-6 a month.

If I ate to be polite "just effing eat it", I'd easily weigh 30+ pounds more.  It's a slippery slope.
So suck it.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9435 on: July 22, 2015, 12:06:27 PM »

All I'm trying to say is, why can't you guys look at the bright side of things? Some people at work are offering you a free meal, and although it may not be what you like/prefer, at least appreciate that they tried and the fact that you're getting to eat, instead of complaining about how they got it wrong.

I have literally seen people fight each other over food scraps...just be grateful for what you have.

I'm not seeing the bright side of a paid office outing being canceled in favor of a work through lunch meeting with food I don't eat, disguised as a party for me.

If someone just brought in ham sandwiches on a random occasion and said "free food in the breakroom!" - well, it wouldn't do anything positive for me; but I certainly wouldn't see it as a slight against me in the same way either.

I am incredibly grateful I have the ability to feed myself and my family on a daily basis. That is completely separate issue. I don't need to be grateful for my former boss for basically doing something to make life easier for herself.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9436 on: July 22, 2015, 12:19:10 PM »
"Waah, waah, waah...I don't eat out, especially not at Chili's."

"Waah, waah, waah...I'm a vegan."

"Waah, waah, waah...I don't eat pork."

There are literally millions of people starving all over the world...just f* eat it!

Sorry, had to get that off my chest.
What about allergies to foods, or gluten intolerances, do those count too?


Allergies definitely count. Intolerances to gluten specifically do not count, because they don't exist, and they're dangerous to real celiacs.


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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9437 on: July 22, 2015, 12:23:32 PM »
Supervisor and another coworker were talking about taxes, finances, etc. Both are pretty old looking to me. I know my supervisor is within a couple years of retiring. He has been with the company since at least 1980. I don't know for sure. A lot of older people here strike me as frugal but they're definitely not mustachian. Cable and other things are necessities for them and they are cool with working until retirement age. Either way, people around here at least contribute to their 401ks.

Supervisor: With the 401k that company offers, everyone here should be millionaires by the time they retire.
Coworker 2: Not everyone has the same amount of money to contribute to their 401k. Everyone has different expenses.

I've been tempted to chime in on these financial talks lately but nobody really includes the intern in these things and I don't want to reveal my ways.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9438 on: July 22, 2015, 12:28:33 PM »
"Waah, waah, waah...I don't eat out, especially not at Chili's."

"Waah, waah, waah...I'm a vegan."

"Waah, waah, waah...I don't eat pork."

There are literally millions of people starving all over the world...just f* eat it!

Sorry, had to get that off my chest.
What about allergies to foods, or gluten intolerances, do those count too?

Are you asking me if I believe that we should eat anything and everything, even if it could potentially kill us?

(By the way, you don't have to answer it, it's a rhetorical question).


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« Reply #9439 on: July 22, 2015, 12:48:43 PM »
Not really overheard at work but, I hate being the youngest at the company where I work. Anytime I try to convince others to not be so facepunch worthy, I get laughed at and people assume that, because I'm unmarried and have no children, I cannot understand how expensive life TRULY is.
Example:
CW: My (6 year old) daugter wants a pool. City law requires a 4 foot fence around my yard before we can build a pool. Building a fence is going to be super pricey.
Me: I would just get a small pool that fits in under the requirements of the law.
CW: I already found the pool I want. I am just looking up fencing prices.
Me: I would just pass on the pool for now, there's no way its worth it.
CW But she wants one. (As he huffs off with a disgusted look on his face, baffled at my lack of understanding how finances work when you have a child)

This coworker both vapes and smokes regular cigarettes, and drives a NEW Dodge SUV/Minvan combo (they only have one daughter).

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« Reply #9440 on: July 22, 2015, 12:55:40 PM »
Not really overheard at work but, I hate being the youngest at the company where I work. Anytime I try to convince others to not be so facepunch worthy, I get laughed at and people assume that, because I'm unmarried and have no children, I cannot understand how expensive life TRULY is.
Example:
CW: My (6 year old) daugter wants a pool. City law requires a 4 foot fence around my yard before we can build a pool. Building a fence is going to be super pricey.
Me: I would just get a small pool that fits in under the requirements of the law.
CW: I already found the pool I want. I am just looking up fencing prices.
Me: I would just pass on the pool for now, there's no way its worth it.
CW But she wants one. (As he huffs off with a disgusted look on his face, baffled at my lack of understanding how finances work when you have a child)

This coworker both vapes and smokes regular cigarettes, and drives a NEW Dodge SUV/Minvan combo (they only have one daughter).
Hahahahaha
My business partner has a $50K pool financed by a loan from his wife's TSP account. I have an 18-foot circular blowup pool that I got for free (a friend literally took it off the curb from someone who was moving). I think I actually have more fun with mine.

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« Reply #9441 on: July 22, 2015, 01:13:57 PM »
Not really overheard at work but, I hate being the youngest at the company where I work. Anytime I try to convince others to not be so facepunch worthy, I get laughed at and people assume that, because I'm unmarried and have no children, I cannot understand how expensive life TRULY is.
Example:
CW: My (6 year old) daugter wants a pool. City law requires a 4 foot fence around my yard before we can build a pool. Building a fence is going to be super pricey.
Me: I would just get a small pool that fits in under the requirements of the law.
CW: I already found the pool I want. I am just looking up fencing prices.
Me: I would just pass on the pool for now, there's no way its worth it.
CW But she wants one. (As he huffs off with a disgusted look on his face, baffled at my lack of understanding how finances work when you have a child)

This coworker both vapes and smokes regular cigarettes, and drives a NEW Dodge SUV/Minvan combo (they only have one daughter).
Hahahahaha
My business partner has a $50K pool financed by a loan from his wife's TSP account. I have an 18-foot circular blowup pool that I got for free (a friend literally took it off the curb from someone who was moving). I think I actually have more fun with mine.

Wow... 50k is a pretty expensive pool, too. 

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« Reply #9442 on: July 22, 2015, 01:14:13 PM »
It blows my mind why people would want a pool. I lived in a house where we had an in-ground pool for about 15 years (we bought it foreclosed). God bless my father. He did all the maintenance himself. It took so much time and money to upkeep. What a waste. There is literally a beach 10 minutes drive in Mass where they live. Not a "nasty lake beach" but the ocean beach. I far prefer lakes, but maybe that's because I grew up in Minnesota.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9443 on: July 22, 2015, 01:20:07 PM »
Not really overheard at work but, I hate being the youngest at the company where I work. Anytime I try to convince others to not be so facepunch worthy, I get laughed at and people assume that, because I'm unmarried and have no children, I cannot understand how expensive life TRULY is.
Example:
CW: My (6 year old) daugter wants a pool. City law requires a 4 foot fence around my yard before we can build a pool. Building a fence is going to be super pricey.
Me: I would just get a small pool that fits in under the requirements of the law.
CW: I already found the pool I want. I am just looking up fencing prices.
Me: I would just pass on the pool for now, there's no way its worth it.
CW But she wants one. (As he huffs off with a disgusted look on his face, baffled at my lack of understanding how finances work when you have a child)

This coworker both vapes and smokes regular cigarettes, and drives a NEW Dodge SUV/Minvan combo (they only have one daughter).

I like how the 4ft fence is $$, but the pool, I guess, is free.  But, obviously, since you don't have it kid, you don't realize that.  /s

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« Reply #9444 on: July 22, 2015, 01:21:29 PM »
Wow... 50k is a pretty expensive pool, too.
It's a sweet-ass pool with all this custom rock work and shit. The sad thing is the TSP financing... she truly hates her job and would love to quit yesterday. This added years to the timeline for that ever happening.
It blows my mind why people would want a pool. I lived in a house where we had an in-ground pool for about 15 years (we bought it foreclosed). God bless my father. He did all the maintenance himself. It took so much time and money to upkeep. What a waste. There is literally a beach 10 minutes drive in Mass where they live. Not a "nasty lake beach" but the ocean beach. I far prefer lakes, but maybe that's because I grew up in Minnesota.
I always said I'd never do it... maintenance is a bitch, liability, etc. My glorified kiddie pool is almost too much. But I love skipping my morning shower and just splashing around in it after walking my dogs, and when it's 100 degrees out, there's nothing better than coming home, knocking out some yardwork, then grabbing a beer and floating in my lounge tube.
I'd never want my own in-ground pool, but I love having the use of one. I grew up swimming competitively and it's still one of my favorite workouts. We still have access to the community pool by the townhouse we rented out last year, and I stop in there to do laps (just went this morning) or just hang out. It'll do until I can get back to the ocean.

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« Reply #9445 on: July 22, 2015, 01:35:55 PM »
"Waah, waah, waah...I don't eat out, especially not at Chili's."

"Waah, waah, waah...I'm a vegan."

"Waah, waah, waah...I don't eat pork."

There are literally millions of people starving all over the world...just f* eat it!

Sorry, had to get that off my chest.
What about allergies to foods, or gluten intolerances, do those count too?


Allergies definitely count. Intolerances to gluten specifically do not count, because they don't exist, and they're dangerous to real celiacs.
Huh, I'll have to tell my three friends that.  Who aren't celiac, but have major reactions to gluten, like doubled-over stomach pain.  Must be in their head.

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« Reply #9446 on: July 22, 2015, 01:41:53 PM »
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I always said I'd never do it... maintenance is a bitch, liability, etc. My glorified kiddie pool is almost too much. But I love skipping my morning shower and just splashing around in it after walking my dogs, and when it's 100 degrees out, there's nothing better than coming home, knocking out some yardwork, then grabbing a beer and floating in my lounge tube.
I'd never want my own in-ground pool, but I love having the use of one. I grew up swimming competitively and it's still one of my favorite workouts. We still have access to the community pool by the townhouse we rented out last year, and I stop in there to do laps (just went this morning) or just hang out. It'll do until I can get back to the ocean.

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Not really overheard at work but, I hate being the youngest at the company where I work. Anytime I try to convince others to not be so facepunch worthy, I get laughed at and people assume that, because I'm unmarried and have no children, I cannot understand how expensive life TRULY is.

Additional family members are expensive in this unpredictable way that gets harder to handle as you add more people if you're poor at money management. In any given year, you probably experience a couple random Expensive Events, whether it's needing a bunch of dental work, or a random pricey car repair, or suddenly getting sick and needing some unpaid time off.

As you add more people to your family, the odds of a Random Expensive Thing happening increase. Your kid accidentally throws out their expensive retainer. Your spouse needs a root canal. Your car gets hit by a deer and insurance doesn't fully cover the cost of the repair. Your child needs speech therapy and you live in east bumblefuck nowhere and need to put a ton of miles on the car twice a week to get there. Your furnace breaks down. Your baby needs hideously expensive baby formula because they can't tolerate anything else. Your child is so severely unable to fit in to public school that you need to seriously consider private school. Your spouse needs an expensive tool to do his job and his last one just broke and you need to replace it right now. All of these have happened to either me or my parents at one time or another. We sort of just assume that a few of the moving parts in our family are going to fail in a given year and save accordingly, but I get the impression a lot of people don't.

And this I understand. Hence the emergency fund. Hence why maybe they don't need a pool or a fence. Why would you let your 6 year old decide things like that. Its mostly the condescension that irks me.

For the record, one of my most scarring events as a child is when I dropped my retainer in the school garbage on Taco day. When I called my mother, she told me I had to dig it out or I wouldn't have a retainer. So, I asked the janitor to bring me to the garbage after lunch and I rooted around in the salsa, black olives, chocolate milk, rice slurry until I found it, way at the bottom. To this day, black olives make me want to hurl.

"Waah, waah, waah...I don't eat out, especially not at Chili's."

"Waah, waah, waah...I'm a vegan."

"Waah, waah, waah...I don't eat pork."

There are literally millions of people starving all over the world...just f* eat it!

Sorry, had to get that off my chest.
What about allergies to foods, or gluten intolerances, do those count too?


Allergies definitely count. Intolerances to gluten specifically do not count, because they don't exist, and they're dangerous to real celiacs.
Huh, I'll have to tell my three friends that.  Who aren't celiac, but have major reactions to gluten, like doubled-over stomach pain.  Must be in their head.

+1. If I consume gluten, even on accident, I call my boss and tell him I won't be at work the next day. Any bathroom I use must be walled-off forever more do to potential radioactive contamination. Not only that, but I get the worst migraines and stomach pains I've ever had.

This is, of course, a lie. Gluten intolerance is completely fake. ;)

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9447 on: July 22, 2015, 01:42:58 PM »
"Waah, waah, waah...I don't eat out, especially not at Chili's."

"Waah, waah, waah...I'm a vegan."

"Waah, waah, waah...I don't eat pork."

There are literally millions of people starving all over the world...just f* eat it!

Sorry, had to get that off my chest.
What about allergies to foods, or gluten intolerances, do those count too?


Allergies definitely count. Intolerances to gluten specifically do not count, because they don't exist, and they're dangerous to real celiacs.
Huh, I'll have to tell my three friends that.  Who aren't celiac, but have major reactions to gluten, like doubled-over stomach pain.  Must be in their head.
I thought that "real" celiacs loved people who eat gluten free.  Because of the gluten free fad it's much easier to find gluten free products in supermarkets.

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« Reply #9448 on: July 22, 2015, 01:51:03 PM »
"Waah, waah, waah...I don't eat out, especially not at Chili's."

"Waah, waah, waah...I'm a vegan."

"Waah, waah, waah...I don't eat pork."

There are literally millions of people starving all over the world...just f* eat it!

Sorry, had to get that off my chest.
What about allergies to foods, or gluten intolerances, do those count too?


Allergies definitely count. Intolerances to gluten specifically do not count, because they don't exist, and they're dangerous to real celiacs.
Huh, I'll have to tell my three friends that.  Who aren't celiac, but have major reactions to gluten, like doubled-over stomach pain.  Must be in their head.
I thought that "real" celiacs loved people who eat gluten free.  Because of the gluten free fad it's much easier to find gluten free products in supermarkets.

That part is true. But the part that hurts is restaurants will advertise "Gluten Free" and it will be 99% gluten free. Most of it isn't. But a celiac will go in there and find it to definitely not be gluten free. Most so called gluten intolerants wouldn't even notice, because it is so little.

And yeah, gluten intolerance doesn't exist. Or rather it is a false-negative where they're missing the real diagnosis of Celiac, IBS, IBD, Chrohns, Colitis, etc. Also, there is the factor that your body no longer recognizes it after being off of it for so long that it treats it as a toxin. Same thing happens with meat with some vegetarians, or spicy peppers with people who don't eat them, etc.

I guess I'm arguing semantics here, but doesn't really matter. If you're happy not eating gluten, continue to not eat it. FWIW, I'm currently gluten free other than beer, but not because of the gluten, just because of everything that it eliminates.


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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #9449 on: July 22, 2015, 01:52:39 PM »
As someone who actually can't eat gluten, it bothers me when people talk about they have gone "GF" but still drink copious amounts of beer. It also bothers me when people are whiny about it. If you have a death-level reaction to gluten, I would be a hardass about it. But otherwise, if bread touches your food. please STFU, ESPECIALLY if you suffer no adverse effects from gluten consumption. Plus when others bitch about gluten issues yet still orders a beer, it may give the wrong impression to waitstaff about the seriousness of gluten contamination for those of us who suffer from an actual intolerance.