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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #8550 on: June 01, 2015, 12:29:24 PM »
If you are having trouble with sticking on cast iron you might also need to look at how you clean the pan.  I never use water or (god forbid) soap.  To clean a cast iron pan put a little oil and table salt in the pan, maybe a tablespoon or so of each depending on the size of the pan.  Warm up the pan to loosen up everything and scrub it with a paper towel* using the salt as an abrasive.  Once everything is loose, dump out the dirty salt/oil mixture and wipe the pan clean with a new paper towel*.  Done!

*Feel free to use cloth towels if you prefer but this is one place where paper is better IMO.

I need to look into cleaning cast iron. My wife keeps saying not to use soap and water, but this sounds like bunk to me. Clean dishes = soap and water. I mean how else would I make it clean?! Then there will be gross old fat and crap stuck to it. Eww! And we would eat food from this? This makes no sense to me. I've been cleaning our cast iron pan with soap+water for years. And often let it soak with soap water, which you're also not supposed to do? It seems fine, so what will happen to it?

What happens is that you get the iron really clean.  The soap will remove all of the seasoning.  At that point you will have to recreate the seasoning by baking oil back into the pan.  What the seasoning does is fill in the pores in the iron and creating a smooth, non-stick surface. 

Washing a cast iron pan with water alone will not damage the seasoning but you do run the risk of the pan rusting.  Just dry the pan well after you wash it. 

But don't just take my word for it.  Google "How to clean cast iron"

I just did this search myself and read some posts that said it is okay to use dish soap but that you should not let it soak in water.  That makes sense to me but I have been very happy just using salt and oil to clean my pans.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #8551 on: June 01, 2015, 12:34:58 PM »
I've seen a few guys selling things like Cutco knives who do the "let me practice me sales pitch on you" approach with their friends. And I've also seen guys fall into the "essential oils" MLMs.

I can't stand the thought of trying to sell stuff to my neighbors almost as much as the thought of a neighbor trying to sell things to me.

Visiting with neighbors at a cookout? That would be fun occasionally.

Our kids' schools tries to sell stuff, we are involved with BSA and they want to sell stuff, etc.

We send the school supplies that the school requests - though we're scaling it back b/c the school is starting to stock pile it b/c they ask for so much and use so little (or get wasteful). I have also written a check to a fund raiser occasionally b/c I found out when the school sells things - the school sometimes only sees some small portion of the profits - the rest going to some company selling high priced cookie dough or similar.

When I was a kid I was a big seller of magazines to raise money for the school. My big prize for selling more mag subscriptions than most of the kids in my grade one year was a little Instamatic 126 film camera that I wanted so badly but did not even work right from the first picture. The lens was not very clear and it was out of focus (a fixed focus camera though). I could have purchased that camera for $7.50 at KMart at the time and earned the money much, much quicker. It was my first realization that I was being suckered by adults. I've educated my kids past falling for that and we don't participate in the selling stuff drive. My youngest wants to participate b/c that child loves the sense of being part of the crowd (herd). Finally starting to think for himself. Finally.

We live in a pretty ordinary part of the USA. Our neighbors aren't rich (or mostly don't conspicuously  spend like they are rich). I feel really odd encouraging my kids to try to sell overpriced stuff to these neighbors.

Again - with the scouts I give my time, my gas money (transportation for trips), teach badges, and occasionally make cash (by check) donations directly to the troop. Fortunately we have some very money savvy parents who are sensitive to wasting money.

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Re: Overheard at Work
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« Reply #8553 on: June 01, 2015, 12:47:04 PM »
If you are having trouble with sticking on cast iron you might also need to look at how you clean the pan.  I never use water or (god forbid) soap.  To clean a cast iron pan put a little oil and table salt in the pan, maybe a tablespoon or so of each depending on the size of the pan.  Warm up the pan to loosen up everything and scrub it with a paper towel* using the salt as an abrasive.  Once everything is loose, dump out the dirty salt/oil mixture and wipe the pan clean with a new paper towel*.  Done!

*Feel free to use cloth towels if you prefer but this is one place where paper is better IMO.

I need to look into cleaning cast iron. My wife keeps saying not to use soap and water, but this sounds like bunk to me. Clean dishes = soap and water. I mean how else would I make it clean?! Then there will be gross old fat and crap stuck to it. Eww! And we would eat food from this? This makes no sense to me. I've been cleaning our cast iron pan with soap+water for years. And often let it soak with soap water, which you're also not supposed to do? It seems fine, so what will happen to it?

What happens is that you get the iron really clean.  The soap will remove all of the seasoning.  At that point you will have to recreate the seasoning by baking oil back into the pan.  What the seasoning does is fill in the pores in the iron and creating a smooth, non-stick surface. 

Washing a cast iron pan with water alone will not damage the seasoning but you do run the risk of the pan rusting.  Just dry the pan well after you wash it. 

But don't just take my word for it.  Google "How to clean cast iron"

I just did this search myself and read some posts that said it is okay to use dish soap but that you should not let it soak in water.  That makes sense to me but I have been very happy just using salt and oil to clean my pans.

Yeah after I posted I read a howto on cast iron cleaning. Still doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but whatever. Smearing something with fat is the opposite of "cleaning" in  my mind! Making food in 3 week old bacon fat doesn't sound very appealing. I've probably scrubbed away the seasoning long ago, but food  doesn't seem to stick to it that much? So not sure how important it is.

Maybe I'll just use our cast iron pan less, as it just seems like a lot of work for no benefit. We have a full set of stainless steel pans which are awesome. No nonstick nonsense and clean up perfect every time, without waxing with lard or other crazyness.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #8554 on: June 01, 2015, 01:32:39 PM »
My method for using cast iron has worked for years and consists of:
To clean: Wash with water and friction.
To season: Just use the pan to cook food.

It's easy.  I can flip an over-medium egg on our skillet.  We use solely cast iron and 2 pans live on our stove top at all times because they are used 2-3 times a day.  The other 3 pans get stacked on the microwave and are within easy reach.

I've never cleaned cast iron with salt (too much effort)- I use a green scrubby pad and some hot water, sometimes scrubbing with a butter knife if things are hard to get off.  That's it - water and elbow grease.  There's been a time or two that I have soaked a pan with water in it and I've also been known to re-use a soapy dish cloth.  Both these things are supposedly a no-no (soap? NO! soaking? NO!) - but on very rare occasions hasn't hurt. 

And then everyone is scared of seasoning.  I guess some pans come with a seasoning on them?  And people are deathly afraid of ruining that seasoning because then they'd have to work black magic to season the pan again.  Just don't worry about it.  You season a pan every time you use it.  If some of the seasoning wears off you might have a spot that sticks for a bit, but soon enough you will have seasoned the pan simply through use.  Why try harder?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #8555 on: June 01, 2015, 01:40:38 PM »
Not actually overheard. I bring my own lunch to work every day. It's always the same stuff, a mix of vegetables, cottage cheese, almonds and beans. This is way cheaper than buying food at work and also a very healthy meal. People aren't exactly saying much about it besides something like "beans today huh? surprising..." but some of them I can kinda feel they are annoyed by this habit of mine. Might also be all in my head.

It's not entirely in your head - I get the same sorts of responses to my delicious lentils and veggies with curry sauce. None of those people will be retiring early, though.......
Ha!  I have a coworker who eats beans and rice for breakfast almost every day, and I tease him about it.

But of course, I bring lunch every day.  And since we've had 3 layoffs in 1.5 years, most people bring their lunch now.  This particular coworker goes through phases where he will go out a lot or bring lunch (leftovers or sandwiches).  But anyway, my teasing is good natured because I eat a lot of beans and rice, plus his girlfriend is vegan (and he's not).

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« Reply #8556 on: June 02, 2015, 04:38:49 AM »

Ha!  I have a coworker who eats beans and rice for breakfast almost every day, and I tease him about it.

But of course, I bring lunch every day.  And since we've had 3 layoffs in 1.5 years, most people bring their lunch now.  This particular coworker goes through phases where he will go out a lot or bring lunch (leftovers or sandwiches).  But anyway, my teasing is good natured because I eat a lot of beans and rice, plus his girlfriend is vegan (and he's not).

Everyone who teases thinks it's good natured (and I'm sure that is your intention). But actually, commenting on what people are eating over and over is just really annoying, in my experience. Especially if you are saying the same things. I heard you the first 100 times you said it! I know I am eating rice and beans they are in front of me! /rant

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #8557 on: June 02, 2015, 04:51:36 AM »
My boss (megacorp mid-manager) joined a country club.

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« Reply #8558 on: June 02, 2015, 10:10:21 AM »
Oh... my... word... My coworker wants the new Iphone because she is "out of space" on her old phone and it "runs slow" (it's an iPhone 4). She said she can't take any more pictures, so it's like she can't even hold onto memories. I asked if she's gone through the pictures and deleted old ones, she says yes but most of them she wants to keep. So I asked why she didn't put them on Facebook. She said she doesn't want to share them all with other people.

Me: Well you could just set them to private. Then Facebook acts as free picture storage.
Her: Yeah that's true...

It gets worse. With a discount she gets the new Iphone for $165, but still wants to put it on payments. And this after we just talked about having the freedom/flexibility for extended travel and she said she really needs to win the lottery. Smh.....

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« Reply #8559 on: June 02, 2015, 10:18:35 AM »
Oh... my... word... My coworker wants the new Iphone because she is "out of space" on her old phone and it "runs slow" (it's an iPhone 4). She said she can't take any more pictures, so it's like she can't even hold onto memories. I asked if she's gone through the pictures and deleted old ones, she says yes but most of them she wants to keep. So I asked why she didn't put them on Facebook. She said she doesn't want to share them all with other people.

Me: Well you could just set them to private. Then Facebook acts as free picture storage.
Her: Yeah that's true...

It gets worse. With a discount she gets the new Iphone for $165, but still wants to put it on payments. And this after we just talked about having the freedom/flexibility for extended travel and she said she really needs to win the lottery. Smh.....

Google also has unlimited photo storage. Mention that to her. It's a new thing so you may not have heard of it yet.

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« Reply #8560 on: June 02, 2015, 10:21:06 AM »

Ha!  I have a coworker who eats beans and rice for breakfast almost every day, and I tease him about it.

But of course, I bring lunch every day.  And since we've had 3 layoffs in 1.5 years, most people bring their lunch now.  This particular coworker goes through phases where he will go out a lot or bring lunch (leftovers or sandwiches).  But anyway, my teasing is good natured because I eat a lot of beans and rice, plus his girlfriend is vegan (and he's not).

Everyone who teases thinks it's good natured (and I'm sure that is your intention). But actually, commenting on what people are eating over and over is just really annoying, in my experience. Especially if you are saying the same things. I heard you the first 100 times you said it! I know I am eating rice and beans they are in front of me! /rant
Personally it's funny, because a few years ago when everyone else was eating out more (before the layoffs), he was one of the guys who said "beans and rice again??"

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #8561 on: June 02, 2015, 10:25:30 AM »
Oh... my... word... My coworker wants the new Iphone because she is "out of space" on her old phone and it "runs slow" (it's an iPhone 4). She said she can't take any more pictures, so it's like she can't even hold onto memories. I asked if she's gone through the pictures and deleted old ones, she says yes but most of them she wants to keep. So I asked why she didn't put them on Facebook. She said she doesn't want to share them all with other people.

Me: Well you could just set them to private. Then Facebook acts as free picture storage.
Her: Yeah that's true...

It gets worse. With a discount she gets the new Iphone for $165, but still wants to put it on payments. And this after we just talked about having the freedom/flexibility for extended travel and she said she really needs to win the lottery. Smh.....

Google also has unlimited photo storage. Mention that to her. It's a new thing so you may not have heard of it yet.

There's a cap on the storage size per photo/video though.  Most people won't hit it, but if you will, Flickr's free 1TB is probably the better route.  Either option is really good though.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #8562 on: June 02, 2015, 10:39:46 AM »
Oh... my... word... My coworker wants the new Iphone because she is "out of space" on her old phone and it "runs slow" (it's an iPhone 4). She said she can't take any more pictures, so it's like she can't even hold onto memories. I asked if she's gone through the pictures and deleted old ones, she says yes but most of them she wants to keep. So I asked why she didn't put them on Facebook. She said she doesn't want to share them all with other people.

Me: Well you could just set them to private. Then Facebook acts as free picture storage.
Her: Yeah that's true...

It gets worse. With a discount she gets the new Iphone for $165, but still wants to put it on payments. And this after we just talked about having the freedom/flexibility for extended travel and she said she really needs to win the lottery. Smh.....

Google also has unlimited photo storage. Mention that to her. It's a new thing so you may not have heard of it yet.

There's a cap on the storage size per photo/video though.  Most people won't hit it, but if you will, Flickr's free 1TB is probably the better route.  Either option is really good though.

Or just move all the photos to your computer.  You can then back them up somewhere else as a 2ndary safety (burn to a dvd, store them on a thumbdrive, etc).  I do this once a year during the December holiday shutdown at work.  It's always a nice way to remember all the great (and sometimes stupid) stuff I did the last year.  Plus it keeps my phone clear so I can always have enough space.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #8563 on: June 02, 2015, 10:46:58 AM »
Oh... my... word... My coworker wants the new Iphone because she is "out of space" on her old phone and it "runs slow" (it's an iPhone 4). She said she can't take any more pictures, so it's like she can't even hold onto memories. I asked if she's gone through the pictures and deleted old ones, she says yes but most of them she wants to keep. So I asked why she didn't put them on Facebook. She said she doesn't want to share them all with other people.

Me: Well you could just set them to private. Then Facebook acts as free picture storage.
Her: Yeah that's true...

It gets worse. With a discount she gets the new Iphone for $165, but still wants to put it on payments. And this after we just talked about having the freedom/flexibility for extended travel and she said she really needs to win the lottery. Smh.....

Google also has unlimited photo storage. Mention that to her. It's a new thing so you may not have heard of it yet.

There's a cap on the storage size per photo/video though.  Most people won't hit it, but if you will, Flickr's free 1TB is probably the better route.  Either option is really good though.

Or just move all the photos to your computer.  You can then back them up somewhere else as a 2ndary safety (burn to a dvd, store them on a thumbdrive, etc).  I do this once a year during the December holiday shutdown at work.  It's always a nice way to remember all the great (and sometimes stupid) stuff I did the last year.  Plus it keeps my phone clear so I can always have enough space.
This. Frankly, I always assumed that everyone does this. Isn't it the most obvious solution?

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« Reply #8564 on: June 02, 2015, 10:50:44 AM »
It's easier for me to backup online than on the computer (automatic transfer from phone and camera straight to online service), but to each his own.  I'd do both if they're important--you never know when an online company that's hosting them will go out of business, and you never know when a hard drive might fail.  :)
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« Reply #8565 on: June 02, 2015, 10:55:18 AM »
It's easier for me to backup online than on the computer (automatic transfer from phone and camera straight to online service), but to each his own.  I'd do both if they're important--you never know when an online company that's hosting them will go out of business, and you never know when a hard drive might fail.  :)

Gotta RAID your drives, print things in triplicate, and take out multiple life insurance policies because you never know.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #8566 on: June 02, 2015, 11:43:00 AM »

Ha!  I have a coworker who eats beans and rice for breakfast almost every day, and I tease him about it.

But of course, I bring lunch every day.  And since we've had 3 layoffs in 1.5 years, most people bring their lunch now.  This particular coworker goes through phases where he will go out a lot or bring lunch (leftovers or sandwiches).  But anyway, my teasing is good natured because I eat a lot of beans and rice, plus his girlfriend is vegan (and he's not).

Everyone who teases thinks it's good natured (and I'm sure that is your intention). But actually, commenting on what people are eating over and over is just really annoying, in my experience.
Especially if you are saying the same things. I heard you the first 100 times you said it! I know I am eating rice and beans they are in front of me! /rant

This is a huge pet peeve of mine. Even if it's a compliment, I just don't like people commenting on what I'm eating. It feels like an invasion of privacy or something. I don't know why it bugs me, but I eat at my desk to avoid the comments. I hate when people smell my food. *shrug*
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« Reply #8567 on: June 02, 2015, 03:16:06 PM »
This is a huge pet peeve of mine. Even if it's a compliment, I just don't like people commenting on what I'm eating. It feels like an invasion of privacy or something.

I agree. My choice of food shouldn't be a source of entertainment for others.

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« Reply #8568 on: June 02, 2015, 03:27:57 PM »
This is a huge pet peeve of mine. Even if it's a compliment, I just don't like people commenting on what I'm eating. It feels like an invasion of privacy or something.

I agree. My choice of food shouldn't be a source of entertainment for others.

Sounds like something a dirty soup-eater would say.

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« Reply #8569 on: June 02, 2015, 06:19:23 PM »
Best quote of the day. Me too!

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« Reply #8570 on: June 02, 2015, 10:33:04 PM »
I'm still slogging through the first few pages of this thread, so apologies if I'm butting in the middle of a conversation, but I have another story of anti-Mustachian behavior.

So my job hires temps during the summer and puts the full-time workers over them while we do projects. One of my guys, let's call him Jim, was astoundingly careless with his money.

He said he needed the two weeks of work that were quasi-guaranteed to be able to pay rent and take care of his pregnant girlfriend, but he spent money on stuff like a Red Bull every day, a WWE PPV over the weekend, eating lunch from a gas station every day (I offered him some cup o noodles and a sandwich but he declined), and bragged about his designer clothes. He begged rides from anyone who drove, claiming that he didn't have the dollar it takes to take the bus that goes right by his area of town.
We ended up letting him go early because his quality of work was below our standards and he kept sneaking off to mess on his phone (a Galaxy S6, with the included smartwatch).
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« Reply #8571 on: June 02, 2015, 10:43:50 PM »
I'm still slogging through the first few pages of this thread, so apologies if I'm butting in the middle of a conversation, but I have another story of anti-Mustachian behavior.

So my job hires temps during the summer and puts the full-time workers over them while we do projects. One of my guys, let's call him Jim, was astoundingly careless with his money.

He said he needed the two weeks of work that were quasi-guaranteed to be able to pay rent and take care of his pregnant girlfriend, but he spent money on stuff like a Red Bull every day, a WWE PPV over the weekend, eating lunch from a gas station every day (I offered him some cup o noodles and a sandwich but he declined), and bragged about his designer clothes. He begged rides from anyone who drove, claiming that he didn't have the dollar it takes to take the bus that goes right by his area of town.
We ended up letting him go early because his quality of work was below our standards and he kept sneaking off to mess on his phone.

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« Reply #8572 on: June 03, 2015, 01:17:36 AM »
Several years ago I overhead a conversation of several coworkers talking about their hour+ commutes. I asked why they didn't just move closer to work. One guy replied that luck would have it that when he moved closer he'd change jobs. I guess the past three years of his job stability were because of his lucky commute.

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« Reply #8573 on: June 03, 2015, 02:05:00 AM »
This is a huge pet peeve of mine. Even if it's a compliment, I just don't like people commenting on what I'm eating. It feels like an invasion of privacy or something.

I agree. My choice of food shouldn't be a source of entertainment for others.

I've never had a problem with people commenting on my homemade lunch, because I always comment on their lunches too. Seems like harmless lunchtime office conversation to me. I don't know how it can get on some people's nerves. I just smile broadly and say "Yep! Made my own lunch again today. Where'd you buy yours?" and inwardly smile at how expensive their food usually is.
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« Reply #8574 on: June 03, 2015, 06:07:34 AM »
My father in law commuted more than an hour sometimes longer depending in when he left,  he worked for the same company for 40 years.  He got a huge severance package for an early layoff and a full pension (whose value was changed a couple of times but is still damn good).  By the time the kids were done school, (after college) he was counting down the years to retirement.  My wife still lived at home.  And they liked where they lived.
I had an hour+ because my wife needed the easier commute and we wanted to be closer to friends.  Sometimes there really isn't a choice.  I may be taking a job that will be about an hour commute on a good day.  We can't move right now because my in-laws provide the wife with help during the week and we like the school district. 

There are trade offs, but when you are married that is what it is about.

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« Reply #8575 on: June 03, 2015, 07:02:05 AM »
Oh... my... word... My coworker wants the new Iphone because she is "out of space" on her old phone and it "runs slow" (it's an iPhone 4).

This is actually something that pisses me off about my Iphone (I got it because I wanted to be able to facetime with my sister and it was the free option with the contract I had at the time.)

With my previous android I could put any memory card I wanted in there.  It was basically impossible to run out of space.  I can't have external memory on the iphone.

So I can understand getting a different phone for this reason.  But certainly not another iphone.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #8576 on: June 03, 2015, 07:42:18 AM »
for the work commute issue - another reason is favoring one spouse's work location over another (my wife works 1.2miles away, I work 14.7) as well as schools (schools near my work are levels below the school near my wife's work).  This doesn't even account for housing costs, access to city amenities and other features that are heavily located near my wife's work.

I still hate the commute though.  Can't wait until it is no longer required.

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« Reply #8577 on: June 03, 2015, 08:34:44 AM »
Oh... my... word... My coworker wants the new Iphone because she is "out of space" on her old phone and it "runs slow" (it's an iPhone 4). She said she can't take any more pictures, so it's like she can't even hold onto memories. I asked if she's gone through the pictures and deleted old ones, she says yes but most of them she wants to keep. So I asked why she didn't put them on Facebook. She said she doesn't want to share them all with other people.

Me: Well you could just set them to private. Then Facebook acts as free picture storage.
Her: Yeah that's true...

It gets worse. With a discount she gets the new Iphone for $165, but still wants to put it on payments. And this after we just talked about having the freedom/flexibility for extended travel and she said she really needs to win the lottery. Smh.....

Google also has unlimited photo storage. Mention that to her. It's a new thing so you may not have heard of it yet.

There's a cap on the storage size per photo/video though.  Most people won't hit it, but if you will, Flickr's free 1TB is probably the better route.  Either option is really good though.

Or just move all the photos to your computer.  You can then back them up somewhere else as a 2ndary safety (burn to a dvd, store them on a thumbdrive, etc).  I do this once a year during the December holiday shutdown at work.  It's always a nice way to remember all the great (and sometimes stupid) stuff I did the last year.  Plus it keeps my phone clear so I can always have enough space.
This. Frankly, I always assumed that everyone does this. Isn't it the most obvious solution?

I think people get wayyy to set on preserving photos.  The average person takes thousands of photographs a year.  Typically they go into some gigantic unsorted pile and are ignored.  After a few years of this there's a really really big unsorted pile of photos that is unmanageable without a lot of effort . . . which means it will never be managed.

Don't be a photo hoarder.  Nobody (even you) cares about most of the pictures you have.  Your device has more than enough space to keep one of two important photos.  Delete the rest.

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« Reply #8578 on: June 03, 2015, 08:38:13 AM »
My wife and I are terrible at taking pictures. We've been together over 10 years, and aside from our wedding photos, there's maybe three or four pictures of us together.

So I like to make sure the photos I do have are backed up decently.

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I couldn't agree more with these two statements. There are tons of horrible stories of small children being killed by their own parents. Think of a little toddler, running out of the house excited to see daddy, runs behind the car, and daddy backs over her because she is shorter than the window. It can all happen so fast to any parent. Kids are swift little things.

All true. And it's yet another reason to drive something that is a reasonable size. Not saying my smallish vehicles don't have a blind spot but everything is low enough, the windows big enough, and the glass untinted enough to see everything around me pretty good. We've always had kids and critters and had to teach all of them to get out of the way when the engine is running.

A commenter earlier in this thread said that they prefer low tech vehicles and I have to agree.  I don't want to be required to buy a car with more tech than a spaceship. I'm perfectly happy to wear out a car daily with a/c and electric windows and a manual transmission.

Wouldn't mind having the "space ship" car with all the bells and whistles for out of town trips ala a Tesla S or Chrysler T&C minivan, etc. Registration and insurance in my state is cheap enough to garage an occasionally used vehicle while wearing out something more basic and older for daily use.  In reality my nice car would be something with 50K miles and a used car pricetag while I wear out $1500 daily drivers. This was common in southern Italy where I lived for a while. The most basic Fiat with no frills or a/c for daily driving and a Lancia or Alfa Romeo for the weekends.

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« Reply #8580 on: June 03, 2015, 09:29:26 AM »
I had to spend a few hours in a car with a colleague traveling for work, and amid all the small talk we engaged in, I was subjected to quite the litany of financial woe.

It started with taxes. Apparently, she pays more than $1000 per month in property taxes for a "modest four bedroom" (to be fair, they are a family of five), but another family member pays the same amount for a "tiny!" 1500 sq ft house. (I mildly commented that my own house is way smaller than 1500 sq ft -- and we don't even use half of it -- and our tax bill is one-fifth of theirs.) And last year, they were hit with an extra tax bill of $13K because "Obamacare", and "somebody has to pay for all those subsidies". I could not for the life of me figure out what this is, because it's not the tax penalty for going uninsured. At first I thought it might be the Cadillac tax, but that doesn't start until 2018?

Then came her kids. Her teenage son plays hockey, which is apparently the most expensive sport outside of equestrian. Last year, he needed new skates that cost $1000, and being only 13, he will probably outgrow them soon. He also needs extra blades for those skate, although she didn't itemize how much those were. The fancy team he plays on cost $6000 to join. He needs private lessons every week to the tune of $100 per hour. To attend his next tournament, they have to travel and stay at a hotel for three nights at $180 per night. Throw in food and other expenses, and it'll be $1000 for the entire affair. And now her other son wants to do crew. She's already shelling out for windbreakers and the like. She better not have to buy him a boat!

Of course the obvious conclusion is that all these taxes and costs are so outrageous that you NEED two incomes just to get by. Throughout all of this, I reacted quite appropriately with grimaces and gasps of horror. It's just that I don't think the horror referred to what she thought it referred to.

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« Reply #8581 on: June 03, 2015, 09:59:00 AM »
I had to spend a few hours in a car with a colleague traveling for work, and amid all the small talk we engaged in, I was subjected to quite the litany of financial woe.

It started with taxes. Apparently, she pays more than $1000 per month in property taxes for a "modest four bedroom" (to be fair, they are a family of five), but another family member pays the same amount for a "tiny!" 1500 sq ft house. (I mildly commented that my own house is way smaller than 1500 sq ft -- and we don't even use half of it -- and our tax bill is one-fifth of theirs.) And last year, they were hit with an extra tax bill of $13K because "Obamacare", and "somebody has to pay for all those subsidies". I could not for the life of me figure out what this is, because it's not the tax penalty for going uninsured. At first I thought it might be the Cadillac tax, but that doesn't start until 2018?

Then came her kids. Her teenage son plays hockey, which is apparently the most expensive sport outside of equestrian. Last year, he needed new skates that cost $1000, and being only 13, he will probably outgrow them soon. He also needs extra blades for those skate, although she didn't itemize how much those were. The fancy team he plays on cost $6000 to join. He needs private lessons every week to the tune of $100 per hour. To attend his next tournament, they have to travel and stay at a hotel for three nights at $180 per night. Throw in food and other expenses, and it'll be $1000 for the entire affair. And now her other son wants to do crew. She's already shelling out for windbreakers and the like. She better not have to buy him a boat!


Oh gawd.

I ref hockey, and have been playing it from age 6 to now. Tell her to go to Play it again sports for the skates. Or Ebay. Or Hockeymonkey.com closeout, or Hockeygiant.com closeout, or... And tell her that the blades that came with the skates are fine. And that he is 13, his slapshot sucks, and he doesn't need the most expensive stick (I can probably guarantee my slapshot is about 4 times as good as his... and my stick cost $30, although those are near impossible to find now).

Also tell her that the kid isn't going to make the NHL, or even a decent college team, so pull him out of AAA and go down to AA or A. Private lessons? They're over paying. Because, again, he isn't making the NHL. Put a hockey net in the basement, tell him to shoot for an hour a day aiming at the corners, and give him a golf ball and tell him to stick handle it througha bucnh of pucks for obstacles.

Signed, a guy who could have played club hockey in college but didn't, and a guy who has reffed everything from Club College to Juniors (pre-pro) to semi-pro, and everything below that.

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« Reply #8582 on: June 03, 2015, 10:47:26 AM »
And last year, they were hit with an extra tax bill of $13K because "Obamacare", and "somebody has to pay for all those subsidies". I could not for the life of me figure out what this is, because it's not the tax penalty for going uninsured. At first I thought it might be the Cadillac tax, but that doesn't start until 2018?

It's likely an additional Medicare tax that no married couple pays until after they have > $250K in taxable income. So while it sucks to pay an additional $13K, that equates to a very, very large amount of income so don't get out your violin just yet. The tax is either 0.9% of earned taxable income > $250K, or 3.8% of investment income > $250K. Let's assume it's the higher of the two tax rates. This means in order to pay $13K in additional medicare tax from Obamacare: $13,000 / 3.8% = $342,105 investment income in excess of the $250K taxable income threshold.

So either your CW is lying, confused about exactly where the taxes came from, didn't explain it properly, or made a shit ton of money, like $600K + and can afford to subsidize a few people.
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« Reply #8583 on: June 03, 2015, 01:29:29 PM »
This is a huge pet peeve of mine. Even if it's a compliment, I just don't like people commenting on what I'm eating. It feels like an invasion of privacy or something.

I agree. My choice of food shouldn't be a source of entertainment for others.

I've never had a problem with people commenting on my homemade lunch, because I always comment on their lunches too. Seems like harmless lunchtime office conversation to me. I don't know how it can get on some people's nerves. I just smile broadly and say "Yep! Made my own lunch again today. Where'd you buy yours?" and inwardly smile at how expensive their food usually is.

I guess I feel like I need to either explain or justify my food choice to people, or describe the recipe, or defend how easy it was to make, etc. Also, it feels kind of unhygienic to me to have people point at my food or lean over my shoulder to see what I'm eating while I'm eating it.

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« Reply #8584 on: June 03, 2015, 01:38:17 PM »
My wife and I are terrible at taking pictures. We've been together over 10 years, and aside from our wedding photos, there's maybe three or four pictures of us together.

So I like to make sure the photos I do have are backed up decently.

I've lost a lot of data due to hard drive failure, computer crashes, etc.

This is totally us too!  We come back from trips with lots of pictures of the scenery, but as a friend once put it, no "proof" that we were actually there.

I just checked my phone, I have exactly 49 pictures on there.  Most of them are cure kitty pics...

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« Reply #8585 on: June 03, 2015, 01:42:51 PM »
My wife and I are terrible at taking pictures. We've been together over 10 years, and aside from our wedding photos, there's maybe three or four pictures of us together.

So I like to make sure the photos I do have are backed up decently.

I've lost a lot of data due to hard drive failure, computer crashes, etc.

This is totally us too!  We come back from trips with lots of pictures of the scenery, but as a friend once put it, no "proof" that we were actually there.

I just checked my phone, I have exactly 49 pictures on there.  Most of them are cure kitty pics...

haha, us too. My wife always gets "mad" that I end up with better photos of myself with other women (friends) when we do go to events/functions.

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« Reply #8586 on: June 03, 2015, 02:39:47 PM »
I'm trying to piece together the puzzle of a client's books and prior year tax return and I get this in response:

"I needed to show a lot of income on the tax return so that we could qualify for a bigger house."

I'm dying here... W... T... F.

In fairness, my broker told me that if I claimed things like significant unreimbursed business expenses, that would decrease my available income that would be used in my D:I metrics for affording my house.  The idea being that you'd have to spend that money every year so it wouldn't be available for mortgage payments.  That did keep my from claiming ~$1000 of mileage from my wife driving back and forth between offices unreimbursed, but I don't think it actually made a tangible difference to either my return or my mortgage qual.
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« Reply #8587 on: June 03, 2015, 03:16:50 PM »
I'm trying to piece together the puzzle of a client's books and prior year tax return and I get this in response:

"I needed to show a lot of income on the tax return so that we could qualify for a bigger house."

I'm dying here... W... T... F.

In fairness, my broker told me that if I claimed things like significant unreimbursed business expenses, that would decrease my available income that would be used in my D:I metrics for affording my house.  The idea being that you'd have to spend that money every year so it wouldn't be available for mortgage payments.  That did keep my from claiming ~$1000 of mileage from my wife driving back and forth between offices unreimbursed, but I don't think it actually made a tangible difference to either my return or my mortgage qual.
That probably cost you anywhere from nothing to a few hundred and probably qualified you for 5k more on your loan. Depends on a lot of things.
I've encountered situations where taking full advantage of deductible expenses did hinder me on the DTI calculation, but to be honest, if you're in a marginal scenario you probably shouldn't be trying to qualify for more anyway. (probably being the key word)
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« Reply #8588 on: June 03, 2015, 03:27:20 PM »
I'm trying to piece together the puzzle of a client's books and prior year tax return and I get this in response:

"I needed to show a lot of income on the tax return so that we could qualify for a bigger house."

I'm dying here... W... T... F.

In fairness, my broker told me that if I claimed things like significant unreimbursed business expenses, that would decrease my available income that would be used in my D:I metrics for affording my house.  The idea being that you'd have to spend that money every year so it wouldn't be available for mortgage payments.  That did keep my from claiming ~$1000 of mileage from my wife driving back and forth between offices unreimbursed, but I don't think it actually made a tangible difference to either my return or my mortgage qual.
That probably cost you anywhere from nothing to a few hundred and probably qualified you for 5k more on your loan. Depends on a lot of things.
I've encountered situations where taking full advantage of deductible expenses did hinder me on the DTI calculation, but to be honest, if you're in a marginal scenario you probably shouldn't be trying to qualify for more anyway. (probably being the key word)

I was marginal only in the sense that I have multiple properties and couldn't use rental income as income because I lacked the required history (it's pretty recent).
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« Reply #8589 on: June 03, 2015, 04:38:29 PM »
Some tales of commute silliness.

A couple weekends ago, chatting with a friend of a friend at a party, she remarks that she commutes from town A to town B.  The distance is not measured in miles, but *hours*, I think she said 1 1/2 hours commute if she leaves so that she arrives by 7am.  The part that hurts my head is she used to live in town B.  Wha.....?

Then there is my co-worker who is actually getting close to (normal age) retirement, maybe in the next year or so.  She has been commuting 2 hours to & from work for DECADES!  How in the heck does one keep up with that lifestyle?  The lifestyle with no free time???
Is she overweight?  Because seriously, the worst part about no free time is no time to work out.

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« Reply #8590 on: June 03, 2015, 04:39:50 PM »
This is a huge pet peeve of mine. Even if it's a compliment, I just don't like people commenting on what I'm eating. It feels like an invasion of privacy or something.

I agree. My choice of food shouldn't be a source of entertainment for others.

I've never had a problem with people commenting on my homemade lunch, because I always comment on their lunches too. Seems like harmless lunchtime office conversation to me. I don't know how it can get on some people's nerves. I just smile broadly and say "Yep! Made my own lunch again today. Where'd you buy yours?" and inwardly smile at how expensive their food usually is.
You know how some people comment on your clothing, etc?  Well, I don't.  I like food, it's an interest and a hobby of mine - what can I say?  Always looking for new ideas.

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« Reply #8591 on: June 03, 2015, 04:40:10 PM »
And last year, they were hit with an extra tax bill of $13K because "Obamacare", and "somebody has to pay for all those subsidies". I could not for the life of me figure out what this is, because it's not the tax penalty for going uninsured. At first I thought it might be the Cadillac tax, but that doesn't start until 2018?

It's likely an additional Medicare tax that no married couple pays until after they have > $250K in taxable income. So while it sucks to pay an additional $13K, that equates to a very, very large amount of income so don't get out your violin just yet. The tax is either 0.9% of earned taxable income > $250K, or 3.8% of investment income > $250K. Let's assume it's the higher of the two tax rates. This means in order to pay $13K in additional medicare tax from Obamacare: $13,000 / 3.8% = $342,105 investment income in excess of the $250K taxable income threshold.

So either your CW is lying, confused about exactly where the taxes came from, didn't explain it properly, or made a shit ton of money, like $600K + and can afford to subsidize a few people.

Or owed $13K for a completely unrelated reason (capital gains, underwithholding) and finds Obamacare a convenient scapegoat.

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« Reply #8592 on: June 04, 2015, 12:29:43 AM »
Or her accountant does...
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« Reply #8593 on: June 04, 2015, 03:25:56 AM »
This is a huge pet peeve of mine. Even if it's a compliment, I just don't like people commenting on what I'm eating. It feels like an invasion of privacy or something.

I agree. My choice of food shouldn't be a source of entertainment for others.

I've never had a problem with people commenting on my homemade lunch, because I always comment on their lunches too. Seems like harmless lunchtime office conversation to me. I don't know how it can get on some people's nerves. I just smile broadly and say "Yep! Made my own lunch again today. Where'd you buy yours?" and inwardly smile at how expensive their food usually is.
You know how some people comment on your clothing, etc?  Well, I don't.  I like food, it's an interest and a hobby of mine - what can I say?  Always looking for new ideas.


Aargh- I used to sit opposite the most negative, draining woman ever. She was overweight,  loudly claimed it was thyroid (nope, it's the cakes you shove into your gaping maw daily), and would critique every piece of food I brought in, looking for the unhealthy stuff, and then exclaim about the sugary/fatty parts of my lunch, and oh, aren't you lucky, wouldn't it be nice to have a metabolism like yours??? Drove me nuts. I used to put a square of chocolate in my oats each morning in lieu of sweetener, and god, she never failed to tell the whole office about my 'chocolatey' breakfast (never mind the hour I spent in the gym before work, and that it was 10grams of chocolate). She would point out my bananas and handful of nuts and smugly tell me they were way too full of sugar/fat for her, but ooh, lucky naturally skinny you, you can eat it. I wanted to smother her. Sorry, a bit OT. Coworkers.
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« Reply #8594 on: June 04, 2015, 07:18:45 AM »
At work they're changing the dates we get paid slightly (essentially the same frequency, just different dates). So I opened my email to see they're providing a CLASS to understand it lol. The email starts off "Changing the date or frequency of a payday can be a traumatic event for some". Traumatic??  What in the world....

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« Reply #8595 on: June 04, 2015, 07:36:17 AM »

At work they're changing the dates we get paid slightly (essentially the same frequency, just different dates). So I opened my email to see they're providing a CLASS to understand it lol. The email starts off "Changing the date or frequency of a payday can be a traumatic event for some". Traumatic??  What in the world....

Hah.

How big is the shift?  From what days to what days?
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« Reply #8596 on: June 04, 2015, 07:54:57 AM »

At work they're changing the dates we get paid slightly (essentially the same frequency, just different dates). So I opened my email to see they're providing a CLASS to understand it lol. The email starts off "Changing the date or frequency of a payday can be a traumatic event for some". Traumatic??  What in the world....

Hah.

How big is the shift?  From what days to what days?
Literally changing from being paid twice a month on specific dates, to twice a month on a certain day of the week instead. So, instead of the 1st of each month which will fall on a different day each month, it will be the first friday.

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« Reply #8597 on: June 04, 2015, 08:00:51 AM »
I mean, I guess that's a big change if they rely on that first payment for rent and now it doesn't come in sometimes until the 6th or 7th.  Many live paycheck to paycheck, unfortunately.
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« Reply #8598 on: June 04, 2015, 08:05:05 AM »
This is a huge pet peeve of mine. Even if it's a compliment, I just don't like people commenting on what I'm eating. It feels like an invasion of privacy or something.

I agree. My choice of food shouldn't be a source of entertainment for others.

I've never had a problem with people commenting on my homemade lunch, because I always comment on their lunches too. Seems like harmless lunchtime office conversation to me. I don't know how it can get on some people's nerves. I just smile broadly and say "Yep! Made my own lunch again today. Where'd you buy yours?" and inwardly smile at how expensive their food usually is.
You know how some people comment on your clothing, etc?  Well, I don't.  I like food, it's an interest and a hobby of mine - what can I say?  Always looking for new ideas.


Aargh- I used to sit opposite the most negative, draining woman ever. She was overweight,  loudly claimed it was thyroid (nope, it's the cakes you shove into your gaping maw daily), and would critique every piece of food I brought in, looking for the unhealthy stuff, and then exclaim about the sugary/fatty parts of my lunch, and oh, aren't you lucky, wouldn't it be nice to have a metabolism like yours??? Drove me nuts. I used to put a square of chocolate in my oats each morning in lieu of sweetener, and god, she never failed to tell the whole office about my 'chocolatey' breakfast (never mind the hour I spent in the gym before work, and that it was 10grams of chocolate). She would point out my bananas and handful of nuts and smugly tell me they were way too full of sugar/fat for her, but ooh, lucky naturally skinny you, you can eat it. I wanted to smother her. Sorry, a bit OT. Coworkers.

You know what, at the risk of annoying a ton of people (because in my experience any mention of fatness or slimness bring out INTENSE emotions in people) I totally empathise with you on this.
My feelings on weight:
1. I don't care what size anyone is
2. I don't care what they eat
3. Food is tasty, it's nice to eat it. Sometimes it's nice to talk about it too.
4. BUT my own body weight, and the amount I eat, is not something to judge, loudly, infront of me. Or make jokes about.

I am naturally quite thin, which for some reason seems to be similar to wearing a sign saying 'please comment on my body in any way you wish, be as rude as you like, I'm thin so it doesn't count as rude anyway'. I have lost count of the amount of times that someone (and it has always been a woman, overweight) has commented along the lines of 'I wish I could eat the way you do', 'you don't understand how hard it is to diet', 'it'll catch up with you when you're older', 'where do you put it all', etc etc.

It makes me so angry, and here is another list for why.

1. I'm female. This is women hating on other women about their size. Just doing the work of mysogynists all by ourselves. Way to go ladies.
2. I don't comment on their bodies. And I'm not judging them for what they eat.
3. But... when they say they wish they could 'eat the way I do', sometimes I just wish I could take them up on that idea and take over their eating habits for just one week, so they have to eat everything I do. And then they might believe me that I just eat a normal amount. And do some exercise.

Sorry for derailing the thread. Rant over.

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« Reply #8599 on: June 04, 2015, 08:07:47 AM »
At work they're changing the dates we get paid slightly (essentially the same frequency, just different dates). So I opened my email to see they're providing a CLASS to understand it lol. The email starts off "Changing the date or frequency of a payday can be a traumatic event for some". Traumatic??  What in the world....
A long time ago the company I worked for changed the pay schedule from getting paid for a two-week pay period on the last day of the pay period (obviously problematic because time hadn't been reported when paychecks were cut) to being paid two weeks in arrears, which is more standard.

To bridge the gap that would have resulted in pay, the company gave every employee an interest-free loan in the amount of their normal paycheck. They never had to pay back the loan until they left the company. So basically, they were trying to make the change transparent. Well, you should have seen the reactions. People didn't understand, and thought they were being taken advantage of. There was a lot of tension.