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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6550 on: January 23, 2015, 05:54:20 PM »
AHHHH definitely not a good breeder if they're letting people take 2 littermates to the same house :( No wonder she's had high vet bills already :/

Why is that? Too similar a genetic profile, so suceptible to the same health issues?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6551 on: January 23, 2015, 06:20:42 PM »
AHHHH definitely not a good breeder if they're letting people take 2 littermates to the same house :( No wonder she's had high vet bills already :/

Why is that? Too similar a genetic profile, so suceptible to the same health issues?

I think it's because breeders love them some protectionist bullshit and think people taking two dogs will breed them together and compete against them. They've got a list of "rules" a mile long as if this isn't a simple financial transaction.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6552 on: January 23, 2015, 06:59:51 PM »
I thought mixed breed dogs were healthier because they didn't have those genetic weaknesses that come from the single breeds.  At least that's what my almost-veterinarian daughter says...name a dog breed and she will tell you the issue that they are predisposed to get. 


 

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6553 on: January 23, 2015, 10:29:23 PM »
AHHHH definitely not a good breeder if they're letting people take 2 littermates to the same house :( No wonder she's had high vet bills already :/

Why is that? Too similar a genetic profile, so suceptible to the same health issues?

The reason I've heard expressed most often has nothing to do with the dogs being related but just that most non-expert pet owners can't effectively train two puppies and get them to respect and bond with the human instead of always looking to each other.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6554 on: January 23, 2015, 11:43:42 PM »

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6555 on: January 24, 2015, 02:32:48 AM »
I thought mixed breed dogs were healthier because they didn't have those genetic weaknesses that come from the single breeds.  At least that's what my almost-veterinarian daughter says...name a dog breed and she will tell you the issue that they are predisposed to get. 


 

Mixed breed dogs can still have genetic problems, it's just that the problems are unpredictable and have a lower frequency. A responsible breeder will not breed animals as pets and deliberately breed in genetic illness. Many breeders of purebred animals breed for show characteristics instead of the characteristics that make good pets, which is one reason purebred animals have a higher incidence of genetic disorders. There are no responsibly bred mixed breed dogs (or very few) which means that they can have ANYTHING wrong with them, and there is no predicting it. It's a crapshoot anyway you look at it unless you know someone who breeds pet animals responsibly.
I also think there's a tendency to blame all genetic disorders in purebred animals on the breeder, and all genetic disorders in mixed breed animals on bad luck, when in reality, it's always the breeder's fault. I'd rather buy an animal from someone who deliberatley bred it than someone too irresonsible to make sure their dog didn't get accidently preggers. And of course rescuing is always an option, although my experience volunteering with rescues is sometimes they don't really care about individual animals and their values don't align with mine.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6556 on: January 24, 2015, 07:31:14 AM »
Eavesdropping on a phone conversation on the bus this am.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6557 on: January 24, 2015, 10:53:14 AM »
AHHHH definitely not a good breeder if they're letting people take 2 littermates to the same house :( No wonder she's had high vet bills already :/

Why is that? Too similar a genetic profile, so suceptible to the same health issues?

The reason I've heard expressed most often has nothing to do with the dogs being related but just that most non-expert pet owners can't effectively train two puppies and get them to respect and bond with the human instead of always looking to each other.

This is the exact reason.  Two puppies from the same litter in the same house will often become extremely attached to each other and suffer severe separation anxiety from each other.  That can be really bad if one of them has an extended vet visit or god forbid passes away early, etc.  They also don't form as strong of a bond with their owners, and are therefore less likely to be well trained.

To have multiple dogs you really are supposed to take extra time to work on training/obedience individually, and with two puppies of the exact same age that's really hard because most people don't want to leave one unattended (for valid reasons, puppies are monsters!). 

It has nothing to do with breeders worrying about competition.  If a breeder is truly serious about maintaining their breed standard and quality of dogs, they wouldn't be selling show quality puppies to Joe Shmoe anyways.  They'd be keeping them or entering into co-ownership agreements with serious show homes, who would take the breed standard just as seriously and never breed two full siblings (nor half siblings, tbh).

Breeders who really value their breed and show their dogs in order to be sure they're perpetuating the best quality of the breed have a ton of rules because they are trying to protect their puppies.  They aren't engaging in a simple financial transaction; in fact most good breeders that do health testing on the parents, showing, and  proper early-life care (high quality food for parents & weanlings, deworming, vaccinations, etc.) for the puppies are barely breaking even, despite charging a ridiculous amount of money for each individual puppy.  To them it's a passion, not a business, and that's why they feel so strongly about how their puppies are treated for the rest of their lives. They really don't want to see one of their dogs mistreated and end up in the rescue world.  Good breeders will actually take back their dogs from the owners if their life circumstances change and they can't keep the dog, and then keep the dog in their home while trying to find it a new forever home.  Good breeders retire their breeding stock after a few litters and then either keep them as pets for the rest of their lives, or find them good homes with trusted people.  That's not a great profit-generating model, it's a compassionate and caring one.

Mixed breed dogs aren't predisposed to any one disorder because no one knows exactly what the mix they're made up of is.  That just means there's a greater variety of potential health issues, but less statistical chance of having any one specific issue.

FWIW, I have a mixed breed rescue and a purebred who was "rescued" by me from her original home after an unfortunate incident involving biting a kid that was harassing her.  I paid nearly $500 in adoption fees for the mutt, and $0 for the purebred.  The purebred's got significant chronic health issues and behavioral issues, but at least on the behavior side I can't really blame anyone but her first owner, though temperament is semi-hereditary and good breeders do consider it when choosing dogs to breed (and I'm on the fence about this dog's breeder tbh).  The mutt came with health issues caused by his mistreatment (abandoned in a box on the side of the road in Arkansas as a 5 week old puppy! :( :( ) but they resolved quickly and he's never had a behavioral issue except for possibly giving too many kisses :D  It's always a gamble.  I've never bought a puppy from a breeder and I'm not sure I ever will, mainly because of the financial outlay for my favored breed (over 1k, sometimes 2k) and my sense of obligation for rescue dogs, many of whom are the product of crappy backyard breeders who are only in it for the money.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6558 on: January 24, 2015, 06:10:21 PM »
It would take forever to explain the situation at work today. Let's just suffice it to say I swear I left stupider today for listening to it!

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6559 on: January 24, 2015, 06:36:30 PM »
It would take forever to explain the situation at work today. Let's just suffice it to say I swear I left stupider today for listening to it!

Judging by your choice of the word "stupider", I'd declare that a true and honest statement! :)
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6560 on: January 24, 2015, 07:41:41 PM »
Just a comment - if she has been a student, and then moving around, she may be getting mail (including banking mail) sent to her parents for consistency.  These days most of the young ones do everything on line.  How do I know?  Because I still get a lot of DD's mail - think of me as a post box.  Once she plans to actually stay in the same place for a second year she will do a change of address.  Its not a big deal for me, if something looks important I will get it to her and 98% of it is not important except for a paper trail.

One of the down sides of retirement is that I have nothing god-awful to contribute to this thread. 


I have a friend in similar situation, but the receiver end, will call her 'A'. A is 29, has a useless college degree in terms of defining a clear career path. Mommy and daddy: buy her clothes; paid for college; pay for 98% of her HORSE expenses; bought her a brand new Prius; and just recently basically told her that if she wanted to quit her current (sucky) job, they'd pay her living expenses and pay for more education if she wanted to. Until I started encouraging her to basically act like a grown up, she allowed her dad to handle all her finances. He still does at least 50% of it. She doesn't even get most of the bank statements - they all go to her parent's house.

If I didn't see evidence of progress, I'd be completely disgusted with her. Moral of story: people, please act like responsible parents. They came close to ruining this girl, and they don't seem to even see it.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6561 on: January 25, 2015, 04:22:27 PM »
It would take forever to explain the situation at work today. Let's just suffice it to say I swear I left stupider today for listening to it!

Judging by your choice of the word "stupider", I'd declare that a true and honest statement! :)

Choice of word was for effect. It felt like brain cells were dying by the second.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6562 on: January 25, 2015, 10:11:27 PM »
Choice of word was for effect. It felt like brain cells were dying by the second.

I too feel that I am consistently losing a large number of brain cells in my office via diffusion - yet they don't seem to be making others smarter :P

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6563 on: January 25, 2015, 10:36:40 PM »
What are you going to do with your tax refund?
I have to get a new phone.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6564 on: January 26, 2015, 02:15:32 AM »
What are you going to do with your tax refund?
I have to get a new phone.
What's wrong with your phone? You just got it. Isn't it covered under warranty?
There's a newer model out now. (Said slowly and distinctly as if speaking to someone who isn't very bright.)
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6565 on: January 26, 2015, 06:31:03 AM »
It always reminds me of Lisa Simpson* vs. Malibu Stacy.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6566 on: January 26, 2015, 08:12:58 AM »
I thought mixed breed dogs were healthier because they didn't have those genetic weaknesses that come from the single breeds.  At least that's what my almost-veterinarian daughter says...name a dog breed and she will tell you the issue that they are predisposed to get. 

Mixed breed dogs can still have genetic problems, it's just that the problems are unpredictable and have a lower frequency. A responsible breeder will not breed animals as pets and deliberately breed in genetic illness. Many breeders of purebred animals breed for show characteristics instead of the characteristics that make good pets, which is one reason purebred animals have a higher incidence of genetic disorders. There are no responsibly bred mixed breed dogs (or very few) which means that they can have ANYTHING wrong with them, and there is no predicting it. It's a crapshoot anyway you look at it unless you know someone who breeds pet animals responsibly.
I also think there's a tendency to blame all genetic disorders in purebred animals on the breeder, and all genetic disorders in mixed breed animals on bad luck, when in reality, it's always the breeder's fault. I'd rather buy an animal from someone who deliberatley bred it than someone too irresonsible to make sure their dog didn't get accidently preggers. And of course rescuing is always an option, although my experience volunteering with rescues is sometimes they don't really care about individual animals and their values don't align with mine.

-ish. Temperaments are part of the breed standard. So if a breed is supposed to be a companion breed, breeders will select for a good temperament. And while many breeders focus on show lines, that just means you need to choose the right breeder for your purposes. There are show lines, pet lines, and working lines. My mother works with australian shepherds and the show lines have big poofy coats that are completely impractical for actually working with livestock outdoors :) The working dogs are a different line and have much thinner coats and often a larger build. But they're all considered to be within breed standard. Aussies don't necessarily make good pets for a lot of families but show breeders certainly keep an eye towards generating good pets because that's how they'll sell the puppies that don't make the cut. And for many breeders of, say, golden retrievers or labradors, that's primarily the market they're selling to.

As you say, the genetics thing is tricky. German shepherds have been bred with a sloped back which has led to greater vulnerability to hip dysplasia. But a responsible breeder is checking family histories to try to avoid that defect. So while a mutt ought to be healthier because of greater genetic diversity, it's often closely related to animals with high vulnerability. And aside from things like labradoodles, which make up a small percentage, people aren't breeding mixed-breeds and thus no one's keeping an eye on their genetic pedigree.


Edit for relevance: On my walk to work today I saw a Rent-a-Center van with the slogan, "Worry-free living is closer than you think!"

Yes! Because worrying whether my couch is going to be repossessed is totally worry-free living!
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6567 on: January 26, 2015, 10:25:09 AM »
Edit for relevance: On my walk to work today I saw a Rent-a-Center van with the slogan, "Worry-free living is closer than you think!"

Yes! Because worrying whether my couch is going to be repossessed is totally worry-free living!

I dated a guy who worked at a Rent-a-Center type place a few years ago, and even though he was the sales manager, he was pretty tall/beefy so they'd sometimes send him out on repos for big stuff.  It was super unpleasant for him because people would either pretend not to be home, get violent/verbally abusive, or parade their kids around and be like "Well junior, this guy has to take away your TV now."  -kid cries- "Oh I know, he's so mean isn't he?"

He was eventually pressured into quitting because they were threatening to fire him for not constantly increasing sales numbers -- he'd try to do the right thing and not sell people something they couldn't reasonably afford but that's not the business model of places like that, and his boss was super cutthroat/gung ho about it.  She apparently would berate the sales floor guys every time someone left the store without buying something, and told my ex that she didn't care if the items got repo'd the next month, the only important thing was getting a sale on the books. 

It was pretty eye-opening for 18 year old me, who was possibly stupid enough to consider buying from a place like that.  Thank goodness I saw the inside scoop before I did anything dumb!

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6568 on: January 26, 2015, 10:31:53 AM »
Edit for relevance: On my walk to work today I saw a Rent-a-Center van with the slogan, "Worry-free living is closer than you think!"

Yes! Because worrying whether my couch is going to be repossessed is totally worry-free living!

I dated a guy who worked at a Rent-a-Center type place a few years ago, and even though he was the sales manager, he was pretty tall/beefy so they'd sometimes send him out on repos for big stuff.  It was super unpleasant for him because people would either pretend not to be home, get violent/verbally abusive, or parade their kids around and be like "Well junior, this guy has to take away your TV now."  -kid cries- "Oh I know, he's so mean isn't he?"

He was eventually pressured into quitting because they were threatening to fire him for not constantly increasing sales numbers -- he'd try to do the right thing and not sell people something they couldn't reasonably afford but that's not the business model of places like that, and his boss was super cutthroat/gung ho about it.  She apparently would berate the sales floor guys every time someone left the store without buying something, and told my ex that she didn't care if the items got repo'd the next month, the only important thing was getting a sale on the books. 

It was pretty eye-opening for 18 year old me, who was possibly stupid enough to consider buying from a place like that.  Thank goodness I saw the inside scoop before I did anything dumb!

I'm Canadian. I had to Google 'Rent-a-Center'. That's worse than pay-day loans! Do any Canadian's know if we have this up here I have never seen it before.

I am shocked that the 'Rent-a-Center' business model is considered ok business.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6569 on: January 26, 2015, 11:13:12 AM »
I'm Canadian. I had to Google 'Rent-a-Center'. That's worse than pay-day loans! Do any Canadian's know if we have this up here I have never seen it before.

I am shocked that the 'Rent-a-Center' business model is considered ok business.
Just looked it up now as well. Seems like they are present in Canada, too (15 locations, according to wikipedia). I remember way back in secondary school learning about different methods of credit and hire purchase was right up there with the rest. My teacher was very scornful though and not at all enthusiastic about the idea. I sometimes wonder if that's why, even though I did silly things with credit cards, I never financed any purchases directly with the company.  Considering that almost every company and shop that sells big ticket item offers some kind of financing though, why is it shocking? Or have I misunderstood what they do?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6570 on: January 26, 2015, 11:26:07 AM »
I'm Canadian. I had to Google 'Rent-a-Center'. That's worse than pay-day loans! Do any Canadian's know if we have this up here I have never seen it before.

I am shocked that the 'Rent-a-Center' business model is considered ok business.
Just looked it up now as well. Seems like they are present in Canada, too (15 locations, according to wikipedia). I remember way back in secondary school learning about different methods of credit and hire purchase was right up there with the rest. My teacher was very scornful though and not at all enthusiastic about the idea. I sometimes wonder if that's why, even though I did silly things with credit cards, I never financed any purchases directly with the company.  Considering that almost every company and shop that sells big ticket item offers some kind of financing though, why is it shocking? Or have I misunderstood what they do?
It's shocking because the rates are usurius and the only option available in these stores. Nowhere near the financing terms available at more reputable stores.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6571 on: January 26, 2015, 11:31:00 AM »
Let's keep going OT, this is a good byway.  ;-)

Temperament is a big part of a breed description.  I love my Samoyeds and not because of how gorgeous they look (and the grooming they need).  They have wonderful temperaments, they love everyone, they are super good with children and the elderly (just not for being walked by them).  A responsible breeder will always look at temperament - I know someone who had a gorgeous male Golden with great hips, who was dog aggressive - and she had him neutered because of the bad temperament.  A good breeder will look at the home a puppy is potentially going to - exercise, children, etc. etc.  I've seen breeders refuse to sell.  I've also seen breeders send out word-of-mouth about a potential buyer who seems to have the wrong motives (i.e. might be buying breeding stock for a puppy mill).

Goldendoodles - both parent breeds tend to have the same potential genetic issues, so the possibility of hereditary health issues like bad hips is high.  They are nice dogs, and cute in a goofy sort of way, but why? Goldens and standard poodles are both wonderful breeds.  And the prices . . . .  There are lots of other "created" breeds - Mr. Doberman needed a guard dog and he bred one, for example.  But he had a reason.

-ish. Temperaments are part of the breed standard. So if a breed is supposed to be a companion breed, breeders will select for a good temperament. And while many breeders focus on show lines, that just means you need to choose the right breeder for your purposes. There are show lines, pet lines, and working lines. My mother works with australian shepherds and the show lines have big poofy coats that are completely impractical for actually working with livestock outdoors :) The working dogs are a different line and have much thinner coats and often a larger build. But they're all considered to be within breed standard. Aussies don't necessarily make good pets for a lot of families but show breeders certainly keep an eye towards generating good pets because that's how they'll sell the puppies that don't make the cut. And for many breeders of, say, golden retrievers or labradors, that's primarily the market they're selling to.

As you say, the genetics thing is tricky. German shepherds have been bred with a sloped back which has led to greater vulnerability to hip dysplasia. But a responsible breeder is checking family histories to try to avoid that defect. So while a mutt ought to be healthier because of greater genetic diversity, it's often closely related to animals with high vulnerability. And aside from things like labradoodles, which make up a small percentage, people aren't breeding mixed-breeds and thus no one's keeping an eye on their genetic pedigree.


Edit for relevance: On my walk to work today I saw a Rent-a-Center van with the slogan, "Worry-free living is closer than you think!"

Yes! Because worrying whether my couch is going to be repossessed is totally worry-free living!
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6572 on: January 26, 2015, 12:20:46 PM »
This is now completely and totally into OT territory, but can I ask about golden doodles?

They are so dang cute.  And if they had even a tiny fraction less shedding than a GR I would be happy.  And if you breed the GR with a smaller poodle you get a bit smaller dog which is nice.  Do smaller poodles have a different mix of genetic issues to possibly mitigate some of the GR issues?

Ethically I have a huge problem with breeding mutts.  Dang, I wish I didn't.  Our last dog was a rescue GR but if we get another dog I'd like a bit smaller and a bit less hairy but all those lovely temperament characteristics of a GR. 
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6573 on: January 26, 2015, 01:51:49 PM »
Too much foam... so back on topic...

CW's car got totaled. CW was upside-down on that, owing more on the loan than it's worth, since insurance company only pays market value.
CW borrowed from his 401(k) to buy a top-of-the-line new truck.
This CW last year asked me several times about RE investing. He was going to local meetups and the 'mentors' were pushing shitholes for CW to buy; I vetted these properties for the guy. Gave him advice on investing wisely in funds, etc., such as Lazy Portfolios.
So now he is an 'askhole' - someone who asks for your opinion and then goes and does the opposite.
It's his money, whatever....
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6574 on: January 26, 2015, 03:03:57 PM »
This is now completely and totally into OT territory, but can I ask about golden doodles?

They are so dang cute.  And if they had even a tiny fraction less shedding than a GR I would be happy.  And if you breed the GR with a smaller poodle you get a bit smaller dog which is nice.  Do smaller poodles have a different mix of genetic issues to possibly mitigate some of the GR issues?

Ethically I have a huge problem with breeding mutts.  Dang, I wish I didn't.  Our last dog was a rescue GR but if we get another dog I'd like a bit smaller and a bit less hairy but all those lovely temperament characteristics of a GR.

Yeah, maybe a cross on some sort of poodle or wirehair from the pound?  We got our dog from the shelter and best as we can tell, he is curly coated retriever and border collie.  Way less OCD than the BC, and way less shedding than many dogs (such as our other mutt of unknown heritage). 

Neighbors have a BC/GR cross, and it's smaller than a GR, mellower than a BC and sheds less (but prob. more than our dog).  It's a crapshoot, but my understanding is that 'Doodles can be too, because they might get more or less of one of the desirable breed characteristics.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6575 on: January 26, 2015, 07:51:33 PM »
Overheard this short and painful exchange at work today:

CW1:  Oh my god!  You got hair extensions!
CW2:  Yes, aren't they pretty.  They are the best investment I've ever made!

My inner monologue: Really?  Best ever?  What is the anticipated ROI on those?






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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6576 on: January 26, 2015, 10:32:57 PM »
CW1 to CW2: Can you help me with my tax reference? I need to get my tax return done pronto.

Me to CW1 later on: Problems getting your tax return done? The portal takes a bit of getting used to.
CW1: Yes, and I need to get it done as asap to get my rebate as we won't be getting a bonus.

Wrong on so many levels:
I guessed we wouldn't be getting our bonus a few months back and all staff have access to our financial performance, him more than most.
The most he'd be getting would be around 1.5k after tax.
If he's owed a rebate why wait till the last possible minute to claim it? I did my return in April as soon as I could and got the rebate in May.
CW1 is a director earning 80k as a very conservative estimate and has been on that salary level for around 15 years.

Same CW told me a while back about his great remortgage deal where he would be saving a lot every month, even after adding the fees to the loan. When I suggested paying the same to get it paid off sooner I got a very strange look.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6577 on: January 27, 2015, 06:30:45 AM »
CW1 to CW2: Can you help me with my tax reference? I need to get my tax return done pronto.

Me to CW1 later on: Problems getting your tax return done? The portal takes a bit of getting used to.
CW1: Yes, and I need to get it done as asap to get my rebate as we won't be getting a bonus.

Wrong on so many levels:
I guessed we wouldn't be getting our bonus a few months back and all staff have access to our financial performance, him more than most.
The most he'd be getting would be around 1.5k after tax.
If he's owed a rebate why wait till the last possible minute to claim it? I did my return in April as soon as I could and got the rebate in May.
CW1 is a director earning 80k as a very conservative estimate and has been on that salary level for around 15 years.

Same CW told me a while back about his great remortgage deal where he would be saving a lot every month, even after adding the fees to the loan. When I suggested paying the same to get it paid off sooner I got a very strange look.

They just don't get that cash flow does not equal rich/stability/etc.

I've said it once but I'll say it again, I'm getting a tax guy this year and I hate every second of it. It seems like the same amount of work, but at least I'd have help in case of an audit? I will probably do it myself after this year even though I'll have my eBay business.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6578 on: January 27, 2015, 09:37:01 AM »
I've said it once but I'll say it again, I'm getting a tax guy this year and I hate every second of it. It seems like the same amount of work, but at least I'd have help in case of an audit? I will probably do it myself after this year even though I'll have my eBay business.

I'm a broken record about using tax guys but you get the benefit of a tax professional by going to them the rest of the year and doing tax planning not going in February or March to do tax filing. Software can do tax filing, tax professionals are only worth it if you wring them of information about tax planning.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6579 on: January 27, 2015, 10:29:08 AM »
OK, complete thread hi-jack here  ;-)

Miniature poodles are the in-between size, 10-15" at the shoulder.  My experience has been with standards and toys - standards are great, toys have all the potential behavour issues of small dogs that are not trained properly - my small sample size has zero toys that I would have liked to own, but I blame the owners, not the breed.  Miniatures do have genetic health issues (all breed have genetic health issues) see http://ic.upei.ca/cidd/breed/poodle-miniature, also http://ic.upei.ca/cidd/breed/poodle-standard, http://ic.upei.ca/cidd/breed/golden-retriever.  The biggest problem is when both parent breeds have the same problems, since then the cross is also likely to have issues.

There are lots of wonderful retrievers that are smaller than Goldens.  One of my favourites (but it is not common) is the Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever - relatively healthy (http://ic.upei.ca/cidd/breed/golden-retriever), very nice smaller dog.  Seriously, if you are considering a retriever, the AKC Sporting Group is full of them (and pointers) -  go to a dog show, watch to see which ones suit you physically, check what the temperament is supposed to be like, and when you have narrowed it down, talk to breeders.  Good breeders will ask you a lot of question, they want their pet puppies to go to good homes.  There are enough personality differences that there is usually a good fit between the right puppy and the home, where another litter-mate might be totally wrong for that home.

Stanley Coren (psychology professor at UBC, writes books about dogs, had the TV show "Good Dog") had a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel - he calls them love sponges.  They are not all that bright, but they sure are lovable.

My favourite mix was a Golden Retriever/Samoyed I met once - gorgeous dog, wonderful personality.  Of course he was almost as big as a Golden, with the coat of a Samoyed - lots of grooming there!

This is now completely and totally into OT territory, but can I ask about golden doodles?

They are so dang cute.  And if they had even a tiny fraction less shedding than a GR I would be happy.  And if you breed the GR with a smaller poodle you get a bit smaller dog which is nice.  Do smaller poodles have a different mix of genetic issues to possibly mitigate some of the GR issues?

Ethically I have a huge problem with breeding mutts.  Dang, I wish I didn't.  Our last dog was a rescue GR but if we get another dog I'd like a bit smaller and a bit less hairy but all those lovely temperament characteristics of a GR.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6580 on: January 27, 2015, 01:48:36 PM »
Hey, you guys get paid?  No fair!
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The actual pay was OK for the hours, but the amount of unpaid work became a major frustration, especially when one institution expected not only grading and planning for free, but volunteering for outreach (advertising) events and lots of other such time. It's sad... I'm sad for her. I still kinda hope she gets back into it (albeit a more fulfilling role) someday.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6581 on: January 27, 2015, 09:43:11 PM »
Not overheard, but said. Supervisor forgot he signed off on my unmustachian vacation a couple months ago even though we are in a deep hole workload wise. I am only leaving for a week to sit on a beach and do nothing but hang out with my nephews. I told on CW I wasn't bringing a checked bag and everyone proceeded to lose there sh*t (cube farm so everyone could hear the conversation). I was told I was being wasteful because I get a free checked bag anyway and not using it is a waste. I asked if I was supposed to check an empty bag for the fun of it and my secretary just about exploded from disbelief.

How can you go a week without a bag full of stuff?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6582 on: January 27, 2015, 11:07:29 PM »
Not overheard, but said. Supervisor forgot he signed off on my unmustachian vacation a couple months ago even though we are in a deep hole workload wise. I am only leaving for a week to sit on a beach and do nothing but hang out with my nephews. I told on CW I wasn't bringing a checked bag and everyone proceeded to lose there sh*t (cube farm so everyone could hear the conversation). I was told I was being wasteful because I get a free checked bag anyway and not using it is a waste. I asked if I was supposed to check an empty bag for the fun of it and my secretary just about exploded from disbelief.

How can you go a week without a bag full of stuff?
+1. I asked for a new smaller bag for a present as my regulation sized carry-on was nearly half empty when I travel under four days. Honestly, my laptop bag is twice as heavy as my carry-on.   Stuff liberated!

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6583 on: January 28, 2015, 04:32:58 AM »
One carry-on and one briefcase was good for three days work with a day of travel at each end for years.  This was small enough to let me ride a motorcycle for some of the trips and save lots of money in fuel.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6584 on: January 28, 2015, 07:01:55 AM »
Not overheard, but said. Supervisor forgot he signed off on my unmustachian vacation a couple months ago even though we are in a deep hole workload wise. I am only leaving for a week to sit on a beach and do nothing but hang out with my nephews. I told on CW I wasn't bringing a checked bag and everyone proceeded to lose there sh*t (cube farm so everyone could hear the conversation). I was told I was being wasteful because I get a free checked bag anyway and not using it is a waste. I asked if I was supposed to check an empty bag for the fun of it and my secretary just about exploded from disbelief.

How can you go a week without a bag full of stuff?

This is kind of the opposite, but my boyfriend has started to take great pride in traveling without a carryon. Once he checks his bag, all he has is what's in his pockets, and if he has a magazine for the plane he puts it in my purse. Kinda risky in terms of bags getting lost, but pretty much all our air travel is to visit family so it wouldn't be hard to borrow stuff or a day or two... and it's hilarious how confused people are to see him walking onto the plane with literally nothing, in this day and age of assholes trying to get away with the largest carryon they possibly can (ugh major pet peeve!!!).

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6585 on: January 28, 2015, 07:56:25 AM »
This is kind of the opposite, but my boyfriend has started to take great pride in traveling without a carryon. Once he checks his bag, all he has is what's in his pockets, and if he has a magazine for the plane he puts it in my purse. Kinda risky in terms of bags getting lost, but pretty much all our air travel is to visit family so it wouldn't be hard to borrow stuff or a day or two... and it's hilarious how confused people are to see him walking onto the plane with literally nothing, in this day and age of assholes trying to get away with the largest carryon they possibly can (ugh major pet peeve!!!).
Also, if you want to be rerouted because of cancellations and/or delays, it's substantially easier if you don't have a checked bag. One example is if you miss a connection, but your bag does not.


As for me, I've gone to conferences for a week with just a carry on suitcase and a backpack. I am going on a two week vacation in April, and I will be surprised if I can't fit my stuff in a carry on suitcase and backpack. This is despite the fact that this is an international flight and I am entitled to one (maybe two? but I believe one) free checked bag.

I had a conversation with one of my female friends who was like...whoa you can go on a one week trip without a checked bag?? I need to learn how to pack like you!
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6586 on: January 28, 2015, 08:07:34 AM »
Not overheard, but said. Supervisor forgot he signed off on my unmustachian vacation a couple months ago even though we are in a deep hole workload wise. I am only leaving for a week to sit on a beach and do nothing but hang out with my nephews. I told on CW I wasn't bringing a checked bag and everyone proceeded to lose there sh*t (cube farm so everyone could hear the conversation). I was told I was being wasteful because I get a free checked bag anyway and not using it is a waste. I asked if I was supposed to check an empty bag for the fun of it and my secretary just about exploded from disbelief.

How can you go a week without a bag full of stuff?

For me "stuff" takes away from the freedom of a vacation.  Too much to manage, organize, keep track of, etc.

I arrived in California for a week in the Mohave Desert (early winter) with a 26 liter back pack because that would fit in the overhead and I didn't want to risk loosing anything in checked baggage.  This had survival gear in it!

Caught a ride up into the mountains with two friends, as they waited outside the airpost with the trunk open to receive my baggage.  I threw my small pack in and they stood there waiting for me to go back in and get my "other bags" and when I hopped in the car they were dumbfounded.  They both had full sized packs (60 liters+ or -), plus a large wheeled bag that had to be checked.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6587 on: January 28, 2015, 08:12:40 AM »
Not overheard, but said. Supervisor forgot he signed off on my unmustachian vacation a couple months ago even though we are in a deep hole workload wise. I am only leaving for a week to sit on a beach and do nothing but hang out with my nephews. I told on CW I wasn't bringing a checked bag and everyone proceeded to lose there sh*t (cube farm so everyone could hear the conversation). I was told I was being wasteful because I get a free checked bag anyway and not using it is a waste. I asked if I was supposed to check an empty bag for the fun of it and my secretary just about exploded from disbelief.

How can you go a week without a bag full of stuff?

This is kind of the opposite, but my boyfriend has started to take great pride in traveling without a carryon. Once he checks his bag, all he has is what's in his pockets, and if he has a magazine for the plane he puts it in my purse. Kinda risky in terms of bags getting lost, but pretty much all our air travel is to visit family so it wouldn't be hard to borrow stuff or a day or two... and it's hilarious how confused people are to see him walking onto the plane with literally nothing, in this day and age of assholes trying to get away with the largest carryon they possibly can (ugh major pet peeve!!!).
Haha

That is me!  And one of the reasons I asked for a smaller bag. Still no checked bags, though.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6588 on: January 28, 2015, 09:15:36 AM »
I take a week-long trip to Washington, D.C. every year with a group of 80 other people (most of them high school students).  I'm in charge of the group for the week.  I allow everyone to take one checked bag (the airline allows 2) and no carry ons.  (getting 81 people through airport security smoothly is no small feat)

My bag for the week is a 22" carry on size bag (which I also check).  Some of the group (including the adult chaperones) have HUGE suitcases!  If I let them bring 2, they would bring 2 HUGE suitcases.  We provide a t-shirt for every day of the trip so all they have to pack are shorts/skirts/pants/shoes and personal items.  Shouldn't be too much.

I always tell them to make sure there's enough room left in their luggage for souvenirs they'll buy while we're in DC.

It's a direct flight so we don't worry about luggage not making connections.  We have yet to lose any and I've been doing this for 15 years.

It's amazing to see the looks on the faces of the flight attendants as 81 people board the plane with no carry on bags.  It's also funny to see the looks on everyone else's faces when they see my small bag for the week compared to their huge bags.  I always tell them learning how to pack is something that will benefit them for the rest of their lives.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6589 on: January 28, 2015, 09:18:39 AM »
Not overheard, but said. Supervisor forgot he signed off on my unmustachian vacation a couple months ago even though we are in a deep hole workload wise. I am only leaving for a week to sit on a beach and do nothing but hang out with my nephews. I told on CW I wasn't bringing a checked bag and everyone proceeded to lose there sh*t (cube farm so everyone could hear the conversation). I was told I was being wasteful because I get a free checked bag anyway and not using it is a waste. I asked if I was supposed to check an empty bag for the fun of it and my secretary just about exploded from disbelief.

How can you go a week without a bag full of stuff?

This is kind of the opposite, but my boyfriend has started to take great pride in traveling without a carryon. Once he checks his bag, all he has is what's in his pockets, and if he has a magazine for the plane he puts it in my purse. Kinda risky in terms of bags getting lost, but pretty much all our air travel is to visit family so it wouldn't be hard to borrow stuff or a day or two... and it's hilarious how confused people are to see him walking onto the plane with literally nothing, in this day and age of assholes trying to get away with the largest carryon they possibly can (ugh major pet peeve!!!).

I never check bags, but I also like the no carry on style (with the caveat that you still don't check a bag).

One of my goals is to vacation with no carry on and no luggage.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6590 on: January 28, 2015, 10:15:42 AM »
Not overheard, but said. Supervisor forgot he signed off on my unmustachian vacation a couple months ago even though we are in a deep hole workload wise. I am only leaving for a week to sit on a beach and do nothing but hang out with my nephews. I told on CW I wasn't bringing a checked bag and everyone proceeded to lose there sh*t (cube farm so everyone could hear the conversation). I was told I was being wasteful because I get a free checked bag anyway and not using it is a waste. I asked if I was supposed to check an empty bag for the fun of it and my secretary just about exploded from disbelief.

How can you go a week without a bag full of stuff?

This is kind of the opposite, but my boyfriend has started to take great pride in traveling without a carryon. Once he checks his bag, all he has is what's in his pockets, and if he has a magazine for the plane he puts it in my purse. Kinda risky in terms of bags getting lost, but pretty much all our air travel is to visit family so it wouldn't be hard to borrow stuff or a day or two... and it's hilarious how confused people are to see him walking onto the plane with literally nothing, in this day and age of assholes trying to get away with the largest carryon they possibly can (ugh major pet peeve!!!).

I never check bags, but I also like the no carry on style (with the caveat that you still don't check a bag).

One of my goals is to vacation with no carry on and no luggage.

http://www.rtwblog.com/about-the-challenge/

http://regevelya.com/no-bags-travel/

Interesting! How do you see yourself doing this?

We never check luggage (at least not since our bags were lost in Denver the second time). However, my husband packs a small backpack that fits under the seat in front of him and contains his clothes, money, laptop, and Kindle. He attaches an iPod Nano to his shirt pocket. I generally take my computer case stuffed with a computer, Kindle, and snacks and also have an Eagle Creek travel backpack that I use as a carry-on. Sometimes I also carry a coat and stuff my money and a spare pair of underwear in the pockets (you never know when a pair of clean underwear will come in handy). My husband considers me in need of Packing Awareness Training and lectures me. My mother thinks I travel crazy-light.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6591 on: January 28, 2015, 10:32:39 AM »
I visited my sister a couple months ago for a weekend.  She was surprised when I hopped in the car with nothing but a backpack.  it was only a 2 1/2 day trip, and I fit everything comfortably, including a set of dress clothes for church on Sunday.

I hope to never have to check a bag ever again.  Too much hassle and time for very little benefit.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6592 on: January 28, 2015, 10:33:40 AM »
I'm a chronic light packer (when people pick me up at the airport they ask, "where's the rest of your luggage?") and I truly don't understand what people are bringing with them that they need a huge 26" wheeled suitcase plus a wheeled carry-on plus a personal item. I went on a two-week overseas vacation with just an 18" duffel bag (no wheels) and a purse. And that included bringing bulky running shoes and a hair dryer. I don't mean this to come off as a humblebrag, I just am completely mystified about what people are packing that they need so many bags.

Another light packer here. A few years back I did an international group tour where I met someone who humbled my packing efforts. She and her husband had retired in their 50's and spent most of their time traveling the world. She wore the same lightweight top (semi-dressy/semi-casual) every day. It was never dirty. I could that tell she washed it out every evening, dried it overnight, and was good to go the next morning. She loved photography and her camera, lens, and strap probably occupied as much space in her bag as her clothing. It's all about priorities. She took great pictures, too, and she shared them with the rest of us at the end of the trip :)

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6593 on: January 28, 2015, 11:22:42 AM »
We have a portfolio of individual stocks in addition to our index funds. One of the fun things about stocks is that they are a great conversation starter amongst like-minded people. So me and a few guys were chatting about our stocks and what looks good into the future.

One of my younger co-workers who was listening to the good-natured bragging said, "I need to learn how to buy stocks. This sounds really good."

Metta: "Yes, it is a lot of fun! But be sure that you are investing in the 401K, preferably one of the index funds options since our company picks up a lot of the fees. And Vanguard's fees are low already. Then buy stocks with your fun money once the safe investments are taken care of."

Younger Co-Worker: "I have talked to too many people who lost a lot of money in the 401K in 2008. I don't think the index funds are safe. I want to own individual stocks."

Metta: "People lost money because they sold their index funds when the market dropped. Had they stayed put they would have made a lot more than they lost. Index funds are safer than individual stocks."

Younger Co-Worker: "That can't be true."

Metta shrugs. "Read up on investing."

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6594 on: January 28, 2015, 11:59:12 AM »
We have a portfolio of individual stocks in addition to our index funds. One of the fun things about stocks is that they are a great conversation starter amongst like-minded people. So me and a few guys were chatting about our stocks and what looks good into the future.

One of my younger co-workers who was listening to the good-natured bragging said, "I need to learn how to buy stocks. This sounds really good."

Metta: "Yes, it is a lot of fun! But be sure that you are investing in the 401K, preferably one of the index funds options since our company picks up a lot of the fees. And Vanguard's fees are low already. Then buy stocks with your fun money once the safe investments are taken care of."

Younger Co-Worker: "I have talked to too many people who lost a lot of money in the 401K in 2008. I don't think the index funds are safe. I want to own individual stocks."

Metta: "People lost money because they sold their index funds when the market dropped. Had they stayed put they would have made a lot more than they lost. Index funds are safer than individual stocks."

Younger Co-Worker: "That can't be true."

Metta shrugs. "Read up on investing."

*Head explodes* All index funds are just collections of individual stocks. How could an individual stock be safer than hundreds of individual stocks?

Your young co-worker really does need to at least learn the basics.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6595 on: January 28, 2015, 12:10:13 PM »
I'm a chronic light packer (when people pick me up at the airport they ask, "where's the rest of your luggage?") and I truly don't understand what people are bringing with them that they need a huge 26" wheeled suitcase plus a wheeled carry-on plus a personal item. I went on a two-week overseas vacation with just an 18" duffel bag (no wheels) and a purse. And that included bringing bulky running shoes and a hair dryer. I don't mean this to come off as a humblebrag, I just am completely mystified about what people are packing that they need so many bags.

I pack as light as we can, I can get all of my clothes and my 3 boys clothes in one of those 26in suitcases, including disposable diapers for my youngest, now that he is potty trained maybe I can fit my hubs clothing in there too.

I could pack lighter, but with kids you never know when they are going to play in the rain, mud, get food all over and not have time to wash, so I pack a few extras.

I'll do better next times :)

My hubs has always packed light, like one computer bag and he fits all of his clothing in their too, it's handy to not have to worry about where your stuff is.

Last year we flew with our boys and since we had to bring carseats, it was such a mess, lugging it all through the airport was some kind of torture, but hey, it's not like we didn't need them.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6596 on: January 28, 2015, 12:18:31 PM »
I'm also a light packer, but on longer vacations or to more exotic destinations I do check in a bag (medium size). Not because I need a lot of clothes, but because it gives me more flexibility if I want to say buy and bring back anything not allowed in carry-on (a bottle of local wine, for example).

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6597 on: January 28, 2015, 02:04:01 PM »
Not overheard, but said. Supervisor forgot he signed off on my unmustachian vacation a couple months ago even though we are in a deep hole workload wise. I am only leaving for a week to sit on a beach and do nothing but hang out with my nephews. I told on CW I wasn't bringing a checked bag and everyone proceeded to lose there sh*t (cube farm so everyone could hear the conversation). I was told I was being wasteful because I get a free checked bag anyway and not using it is a waste. I asked if I was supposed to check an empty bag for the fun of it and my secretary just about exploded from disbelief.

How can you go a week without a bag full of stuff?

This is kind of the opposite, but my boyfriend has started to take great pride in traveling without a carryon. Once he checks his bag, all he has is what's in his pockets, and if he has a magazine for the plane he puts it in my purse. Kinda risky in terms of bags getting lost, but pretty much all our air travel is to visit family so it wouldn't be hard to borrow stuff or a day or two... and it's hilarious how confused people are to see him walking onto the plane with literally nothing, in this day and age of assholes trying to get away with the largest carryon they possibly can (ugh major pet peeve!!!).

I never check bags, but I also like the no carry on style (with the caveat that you still don't check a bag).

One of my goals is to vacation with no carry on and no luggage.

http://www.rtwblog.com/about-the-challenge/

http://regevelya.com/no-bags-travel/

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6598 on: January 28, 2015, 02:38:53 PM »
Not overheard, but said. Supervisor forgot he signed off on my unmustachian vacation a couple months ago even though we are in a deep hole workload wise. I am only leaving for a week to sit on a beach and do nothing but hang out with my nephews. I told on CW I wasn't bringing a checked bag and everyone proceeded to lose there sh*t (cube farm so everyone could hear the conversation). I was told I was being wasteful because I get a free checked bag anyway and not using it is a waste. I asked if I was supposed to check an empty bag for the fun of it and my secretary just about exploded from disbelief.

How can you go a week without a bag full of stuff?

Oh, god.  DH and I get this all the time.  We both hate checking bags, so we always just do carry-on.  We went to Europe for three weeks last summer and for some reason luggage came up as a subject with some friends right before we left.  I thought their eyes were goung to pop out of their skulls when we said we were both just taking a carry-on apiece. 
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #6599 on: January 28, 2015, 02:42:36 PM »
Not overheard, but said. Supervisor forgot he signed off on my unmustachian vacation a couple months ago even though we are in a deep hole workload wise. I am only leaving for a week to sit on a beach and do nothing but hang out with my nephews. I told on CW I wasn't bringing a checked bag and everyone proceeded to lose there sh*t (cube farm so everyone could hear the conversation). I was told I was being wasteful because I get a free checked bag anyway and not using it is a waste. I asked if I was supposed to check an empty bag for the fun of it and my secretary just about exploded from disbelief.

How can you go a week without a bag full of stuff?

Oh, god.  DH and I get this all the time.  We both hate checking bags, so we always just do carry-on.  We went to Europe for three weeks last summer and for some reason luggage came up as a subject with some friends right before we left.  I thought their eyes were going to pop out of their skulls when we said we were both just taking a carry-on apiece.

God forbid you use a laundromat, right?