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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5100 on: October 30, 2014, 01:41:36 PM »
I just bought sunglasses with orange tinted lens and now every box I look is ORANGE!

So, how do I know if it's a real black box or not?

Help me, I'm doomed!!!!
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5101 on: October 30, 2014, 01:43:40 PM »
I prioritize protection from the sun when choosing my sunglasses. The $1 ones aren't going to cut it, but I don't need to spend $100+ either. I ended up with some Eagle Eyes for around $50.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5102 on: October 30, 2014, 01:43:55 PM »
I just bought sunglasses with orange tinted lens and now every box I look is ORANGE!

So, how do I know if it's a real black box or not?

Help me, I'm doomed!!!!

Look for the Red one!

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5103 on: October 30, 2014, 01:45:30 PM »
Are black people really orange? ....

I can't tell you, right now, everyone I look at is orange (because of my new sunglasses) I barely can make the difference between people and boxes actually. Sorry !
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5104 on: October 30, 2014, 01:46:06 PM »
So he spent $1,350 on iPhones within a month! Now he's complaining he doesn't have money for winter tires to put on his brand new (earlier this year) Mazda Miata.

I don't know if I could have avoided saying something along the lines of "There's an app for budgeting so that you don't spend $1400 on phones and don't have the money for winter tires."

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5105 on: October 30, 2014, 01:51:04 PM »
So he spent $1,350 on iPhones within a month! Now he's complaining he doesn't have money for winter tires to put on his brand new (earlier this year) Mazda Miata.

I don't know if I could have avoided saying something along the lines of "There's an app for budgeting so that you don't spend $1400 on phones and don't have the money for winter tires."

Is this app could be handled by an obsolete IPhone 5 ?
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5106 on: October 30, 2014, 01:55:35 PM »
I just bought sunglasses with orange tinted lens and now every box I look is ORANGE!

So, how do I know if it's a real black box or not?

Help me, I'm doomed!!!!

Look for the Red one!

Thank for the tip, unfortunatly, it was my lunch box I was looking at. If you open it, you could track what I ate for lunch but no flight data or recording of any kind
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5107 on: October 30, 2014, 02:00:22 PM »
I just bought sunglasses with orange tinted lens and now every box I look is ORANGE!

So, how do I know if it's a real black box or not?

Help me, I'm doomed!!!!

Look for the Red one!

Thank for the tip, unfortunatly, it was my lunch box I was looking at. If you open it, you could track what I ate for lunch but no flight data or recording of any kind

MMMM Lunch... Maybe dont report that one to the FBI?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5108 on: October 30, 2014, 02:59:37 PM »
If you paid $200 for a pair of sunglasses, most likely you would take better care of them. I have one pair of sunglasses that I paid about that much for in 2004. So $20/year and decreasing each year.

I used to believe this was true.  I spent over $100 on fancy sunglasses back in 2000 or so.  I lost them two months later, so bought another expensive pair, which lasted almost six months before getting crushed.

I had a pair of $6.99 sunglasses last for three years.  Using the above method, less than $2.40 per year!  Am I genius?


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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5109 on: October 30, 2014, 03:11:00 PM »
At this point, people say to themselves -- work overtime for only $25 per hour in my pocket, instead of $30 per hour during normal hours?

Oh my gosh I have heard this so often about overtime.

I've heard exactly the same thing, it boggles my mind.. If the withholding is to high, you still get it back after taxes are calculated!  Just because you don't have it now doesn't mean it doesn't exist! 

I guess that's just the other side to the huge spending holiday when everyone gets their tax returns...
What really irritates me is that I hear it so often in relation to people on benefits where their benefits get gradually withdrawn the more they earn.  It can mean that there is a high marginal rate of tax on their earnings over a certain level, but they still end up with more money that they are providing for themselves and on the first step to getting off benefits.  But no, it's "not worth it".
Principally due to the phaseout of EITC and certain state tax incentives at low income levels there are times when an additional dollar of income is taxed at an effective rate of over 100%, particularly when other non-income benefits like food stamps, utilities assistance etc. are taken into account. The big picture (whether the effective rate of taxation is 80% of 95% or 110%) is that there's a big doldrums where for income levels between roughly $18,000 and $32000 annually, increasing income doesn't translate into increased buying power. So no, for many people it's not worth it to kill yourself putting in overtime hours at your job at Big Lots in order to received no material recompense. An easy solution would be to use a guaranteed minimum income system instead of EITC but fat chance of that ever happening here in neoliberal utopia.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5110 on: October 30, 2014, 03:17:15 PM »
Yep. Like with a lot of things, the ridiculous difference in quality isn't apparent until you actually try it. You go, "woah, amazing." And then you use it for years and years and end up paying less than it costs to replace shittier versions.

I can't see how that's true.

Dollar store sunglasses last me about a year (maybe six months if I lose them or they break early, but typically closer to a year).  So if yours last forever, you will come out ahead in approximately.. 200-400 years.

But I clearly don't care that much about sunglasses - my last pair was held together by a paperclip (after one of the screws fell out) for about six months before I stopped being lazy and bought a new $1 pair.  :)

You will also note that I have a $50 pair, not a $400 pair. But of course, if you consider the time to go pick decently-fitting, comfortable, and otherwise acceptable sunglasses, and determine the time cost of doing so, $50 pays for itself... fairly quickly. A few years than you quoted!

Maybe if I lose / break these I will change my tune. I'll be sure to let you know, verbosely. :)

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5111 on: October 30, 2014, 03:20:59 PM »
If you paid $200 for a pair of sunglasses, most likely you would take better care of them. I have one pair of sunglasses that I paid about that much for in 2004. So $20/year and decreasing each year.

I used to believe this was true.  I spent over $100 on fancy sunglasses back in 2000 or so.  I lost them two months later, so bought another expensive pair, which lasted almost six months before getting crushed.

I had a pair of $6.99 sunglasses last for three years.  Using the above method, less than $2.40 per year!  Am I genius?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5112 on: October 30, 2014, 03:26:26 PM »
If you paid $200 for a pair of sunglasses, most likely you would take better care of them. I have one pair of sunglasses that I paid about that much for in 2004. So $20/year and decreasing each year.

I used to believe this was true.  I spent over $100 on fancy sunglasses back in 2000 or so.  I lost them two months later, so bought another expensive pair, which lasted almost six months before getting crushed.

I had a pair of $6.99 sunglasses last for three years.  Using the above method, less than $2.40 per year!  Am I genius?

I was the same way. I would buy decent glasses and lose them or break them. Then one of my friends who works on oil rigs introduced me to how amazing safety sunglasses are: http://smile.amazon.com/3M-Virtua-Protective-Eyewear-11327-00000-20/dp/B007JZD754/

$26 for 20 ($1.30 each) and they are nearly indestructible. You can sit on them, keep them in your pocket with keys, or drop them and they won't break. And, even if you lose them they only cost $1.30.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5113 on: October 30, 2014, 03:44:06 PM »
I just gotta say this - at $400 for a pair of sunglasses, you are paying for the label  (and maybe design/fashion) more than the quality.

Sure there's a quality difference between $1-$20 drugstore sunglasses and $400 designer sunglasses, but I'd be willing to wager that $100 online at Zenni or something would give you the same quality (probably including a prescription as well).

agreed. there's no way $400 sunglasses can ever be justified as BIFL. that said, I've been wearing cheap or free sunglasses for years and FINALLY bought a $95 Warby Parker pair this summer because I really wanted some polarized glasses for sailing. they are definitely noticeably higher quality and I haven't lost or broken them yet, so that's good (biggest difference being that I actually keep them in a case...)

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5114 on: October 30, 2014, 04:07:45 PM »
I was the same way. I would buy decent glasses and lose them or break them. Then one of my friends who works on oil rigs introduced me to how amazing safety sunglasses are: http://smile.amazon.com/3M-Virtua-Protective-Eyewear-11327-00000-20/dp/B007JZD754/

$26 for 20 ($1.30 each) and they are nearly indestructible. You can sit on them, keep them in your pocket with keys, or drop them and they won't break. And, even if you lose them they only cost $1.30.

Dude, awesome. Question. Do they have a version of these that is polarized? And how does it feel to wear them for extended periods of time (5, 10, 15 hours)?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5115 on: October 30, 2014, 04:23:58 PM »
I was the same way. I would buy decent glasses and lose them or break them. Then one of my friends who works on oil rigs introduced me to how amazing safety sunglasses are: http://smile.amazon.com/3M-Virtua-Protective-Eyewear-11327-00000-20/dp/B007JZD754/

$26 for 20 ($1.30 each) and they are nearly indestructible. You can sit on them, keep them in your pocket with keys, or drop them and they won't break. And, even if you lose them they only cost $1.30.

Dude, awesome. Question. Do they have a version of these that is polarized? And how does it feel to wear them for extended periods of time (5, 10, 15 hours)?

I haven't found polarized ones but they are absolutely comfortable to me (I'll wear them under a kayaking helmet for 8+ hours without issue).
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5116 on: October 30, 2014, 04:27:39 PM »
Ok, I heard a good one at work yesterday.  All sales positions at my work have been hired as independent contractors for the last few years, and therefore, didn't qualify to participate in the company 401K.  Officially as of October 1 we were hired on as full time employees and qualify for all benefits including 401K and a 3% 401K match.  During one of the meetings about it back in September, it was highly recommended that while participation in the 401K is optional, employees should at least contribute the 3% in order to get the match.

So yesterday, we're in a class at the main office, and I hear a guy complaining about the $69 that he was forced to have come out of his paycheck for retirement.  He didn't like that this was being taken out and he was going to put a stop to it immediately. 

I just don't really get it... why wouldn't you want to have that $69 taken out?  Every $69 he has taken out is another $69 matched by the company. $69X 26 paychecks = $1794 in FREE money!!!


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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5117 on: October 30, 2014, 05:06:20 PM »
For someone like that you should explain the math of making the deposit to get the match and then immediately withdrawing the contribution and taking the 10% penalty they'll come out ahead. Just do the math for how much and show them.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5118 on: October 30, 2014, 06:44:43 PM »
Oh, the joys of a joint service environment. Today:

Sailor: I can't afford anything. I don't know where I'm gonna live.
Civilian 1: We have an internal roommates board you can look at. A room is usually six to eight hundred a month around here.
Sailor: I won't live with other people, that sh!t's for civilians. And married people.
Civilian 2: Your BAH [tax-free housing allowance] should cover an apartment, apartments are like 1400 for a one-bedroom or 1500 for a two-bed.
Sailor: BAH is only 1900. I shouldn't have to live in a two-bedroom! This is so f'd up. Besides, my BAH already goes to the car [a new WRX].
Civilian 1: Dude, your BAH alone is more than my paycheck. You can make it work.
Civilian 2: Well, if you're worried about money, there are lots of military benefits you can take advantage of. Go to the commissary! My husband goes there, and you can save 50% easy, if you shop right!
Sailor: Yeahhhhh... I don't use the commissary, because that's... a Navy thing. And I don't really like things that have to do with the Navy.
Civilian 2: You're an idiot.

Sadly, this earned the civilians a talking-to from the Navy chief.
 
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5119 on: October 31, 2014, 01:34:02 AM »
The Army officer across the hall is some sort of super-Mustachian who takes home the civilian-equivalent of a 193K salary and lives in an 8x8 room. Wish we could get him to give lessons.

That reminds me...I once watched a Warrant Officer 4 eat out of the garbage because he wouldn't pay the 85 cents it cost for breakfast in the mess hall.

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« Reply #5120 on: October 31, 2014, 07:02:20 AM »
What really irritates me is that I hear it so often in relation to people on benefits where their benefits get gradually withdrawn the more they earn.  It can mean that there is a high marginal rate of tax on their earnings over a certain level, but they still end up with more money that they are providing for themselves and on the first step to getting off benefits.  But no, it's "not worth it".
Principally due to the phaseout of EITC and certain state tax incentives at low income levels there are times when an additional dollar of income is taxed at an effective rate of over 100%, particularly when other non-income benefits like food stamps, utilities assistance etc. are taken into account. The big picture (whether the effective rate of taxation is 80% of 95% or 110%) is that there's a big doldrums where for income levels between roughly $18,000 and $32000 annually, increasing income doesn't translate into increased buying power. So no, for many people it's not worth it to kill yourself putting in overtime hours at your job at Big Lots in order to received no material recompense. An easy solution would be to use a guaranteed minimum income system instead of EITC but fat chance of that ever happening here in neoliberal utopia.

I'm sure you are right for the USA.  I should have said that I was thinking of the UK, where the benefits/tax credit system pretty much removes the problem of losing money but does mean that extra money earned means more money in the pocket, giving it a high marginal "tax" rate in lost benefits which is too often translated to "it's not worth it because I lose so much".  There's a learned dependence which means that far too often people limit their own horizons, to their own long-term detriment.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5121 on: October 31, 2014, 07:42:42 AM »
For someone like that you should explain the math of making the deposit to get the match and then immediately withdrawing the contribution and taking the 10% penalty they'll come out ahead. Just do the math for how much and show them.

If you care.

I was under the impression that the matched money is not truly yours until you have been an employee for a certain length of time, and you have not withdrawn it.  To prevent exactly what you are describing. 

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5122 on: October 31, 2014, 07:51:26 AM »
For someone like that you should explain the math of making the deposit to get the match and then immediately withdrawing the contribution and taking the 10% penalty they'll come out ahead. Just do the math for how much and show them.

If you care.

I was under the impression that the matched money is not truly yours until you have been an employee for a certain length of time, and you have not withdrawn it.  To prevent exactly what you are describing.

This varies by company and plan.

Mine has a 3 year vesting period, but once you are after that time all company contributions are immediately vested.

What's more important is being able to take inservice withdrawals as I don't think I can actually withdraw money from my 401k directly unless I put it into an IRA. Then I can cash it out completely when I leave, weeee!

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5123 on: October 31, 2014, 08:04:19 AM »
For someone like that you should explain the math of making the deposit to get the match and then immediately withdrawing the contribution and taking the 10% penalty they'll come out ahead. Just do the math for how much and show them.

If you care.

I was under the impression that the matched money is not truly yours until you have been an employee for a certain length of time, and you have not withdrawn it.  To prevent exactly what you are describing.

This varies by company and plan.

Mine has a 3 year vesting period, but once you are after that time all company contributions are immediately vested.

What's more important is being able to take inservice withdrawals as I don't think I can actually withdraw money from my 401k directly unless I put it into an IRA. Then I can cash it out completely when I leave, weeee!

The person he was advising just became an employee on Oct 1 though.  I've never heard of a company that didn't have a vesting period.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5124 on: October 31, 2014, 10:31:11 AM »
They can't withdraw their own money though?  Or just the matched money?
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5125 on: October 31, 2014, 10:41:56 AM »


Sailor: BAH is only 1900. I shouldn't have to live in a two-bedroom! This is so f'd up. Besides, my BAH already goes to the car [a new WRX].

Basic Allowance for HOUSING used for a car?  Guess the car just got promoted to house.  Dude can live in the parking lot.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5126 on: October 31, 2014, 11:21:47 AM »
Oh, the joys of a joint service environment. Today:

Sailor: I can't afford anything. I don't know where I'm gonna live.
Civilian 1: We have an internal roommates board you can look at. A room is usually six to eight hundred a month around here.
Sailor: I won't live with other people, that sh!t's for civilians. And married people.
Civilian 2: Your BAH [tax-free housing allowance] should cover an apartment, apartments are like 1400 for a one-bedroom or 1500 for a two-bed.
Sailor: BAH is only 1900. I shouldn't have to live in a two-bedroom! This is so f'd up. Besides, my BAH already goes to the car [a new WRX].
Civilian 1: Dude, your BAH alone is more than my paycheck. You can make it work.
Civilian 2: Well, if you're worried about money, there are lots of military benefits you can take advantage of. Go to the commissary! My husband goes there, and you can save 50% easy, if you shop right!
Sailor: Yeahhhhh... I don't use the commissary, because that's... a Navy thing. And I don't really like things that have to do with the Navy.
Civilian 2: You're an idiot.

Sadly, this earned the civilians a talking-to from the Navy chief.
 
The Army officer across the hall is some sort of super-Mustachian who takes home the civilian-equivalent of a 193K salary and lives in an 8x8 room. Wish we could get him to give lessons.
Sigh.

So the sailor doesn't like Navy things?  Or is this a Coast guard sailor?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5127 on: October 31, 2014, 11:48:04 AM »
For someone like that you should explain the math of making the deposit to get the match and then immediately withdrawing the contribution and taking the 10% penalty they'll come out ahead. Just do the math for how much and show them.

If you care.

I was under the impression that the matched money is not truly yours until you have been an employee for a certain length of time, and you have not withdrawn it.  To prevent exactly what you are describing.

This varies by company and plan.

Mine has a 3 year vesting period, but once you are after that time all company contributions are immediately vested.

What's more important is being able to take inservice withdrawals as I don't think I can actually withdraw money from my 401k directly unless I put it into an IRA. Then I can cash it out completely when I leave, weeee!

The person he was advising just became an employee on Oct 1 though.  I've never heard of a company that didn't have a vesting period.

I've never dealt with a vesting period.  I've only worked at two companies though.  But the match was mine as soon as it hit my account!


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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5128 on: October 31, 2014, 12:03:47 PM »
Not overheard at work, but the previous company I slaved for gave us stock options one year.  I was like "Sweet, I've totally heard about this!  I'm going to make some money by immediately selling my options!"

First of all, the number of options wasn't related to position in the company, salary, performance review, or any other factor we could figure out.  Eventually, running the numbers of the sixteen of us who were friends we determined that the options were given out based on employee height.  Our strike price for the stock options was the same as the market value of the stocks for the company (54 cents).  By the time our vesting period was over the company stock was worth just under a cent (it was delisted from the Toronto Stock Exchange a few months after that).

It was not a successful attempt to boost company morale.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5129 on: October 31, 2014, 12:26:58 PM »
Email from my boss:
I'm on vacation today, but will have my blackberry with me and will be returning calls and emails.

Dude.  That's not a vacation. 

And the higher-ups can't figure out why I don't want that job...

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5130 on: October 31, 2014, 12:27:40 PM »
The person he was advising just became an employee on Oct 1 though.  I've never heard of a company that didn't have a vesting period.
I work for the company with instant vesting!  It's awesome and I never expected it!

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« Reply #5131 on: October 31, 2014, 12:35:24 PM »
Not overheard at work, but the previous company I slaved for gave us stock options one year.  I was like "Sweet, I've totally heard about this!  I'm going to make some money by immediately selling my options!"

First of all, the number of options wasn't related to position in the company, salary, performance review, or any other factor we could figure out.  Eventually, running the numbers of the sixteen of us who were friends we determined that the options were given out based on employee height.  Our strike price for the stock options was the same as the market value of the stocks for the company (54 cents).  By the time our vesting period was over the company stock was worth just under a cent (it was delisted from the Toronto Stock Exchange a few months after that).

It was not a successful attempt to boost company morale.

Yeah, I just received options this year, too and did not even read how many for several months.  After two of the companies between DH and I did not pan out, even after holding the blue chip one for 5-8 years, the rose colored glasses are broken. Especially when I was told that because they were paying me 20k below my peers (there can be a dividing line for women, but I ensure it doesn't last long), this was all my boss could get to compensate --a very generous number of options.

Right now though, our (new) company stock is up $10 per share, or almost 20%, and I vest the first wave in January.  Wahoo!  Maybe a bit of money this time, and you can bet I won't be holding on waiting for better returns.  I already have too much company stock in the matching company purchase plan.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5132 on: October 31, 2014, 12:41:55 PM »
Email from my boss:
I'm on vacation today, but will have my blackberry with me and will be returning calls and emails.

Dude.  That's not a vacation. 

And the higher-ups can't figure out why I don't want that job...

This is one of the reasons I left my last job.  Told my boss I was going on a week long vacation camping and he flipped out.  "How will you answer emails and texts?!? Will you have your laptop with you?!?" 

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5133 on: October 31, 2014, 12:52:31 PM »
They can't withdraw their own money though?  Or just the matched money?

Just the matched money.  But that would negate all the incentive to do the plan you proposed.  Apparently some companies don't have vesting periods (according to recent posts in this thread), but as far as I know a 3 year vesting period is typical.  Usually you get a certain percentage of the employer contribution after a year or so, and it increases with each passing year (or some other arbitrary length of time) until you are "fully" vested and all the matched contributions are yours.

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« Reply #5134 on: October 31, 2014, 01:26:06 PM »
Email from my boss:
I'm on vacation today, but will have my blackberry with me and will be returning calls and emails.

Dude.  That's not a vacation. 

And the higher-ups can't figure out why I don't want that job...

This is one of the reasons I left my last job.  Told my boss I was going on a week long vacation camping and he flipped out.  "How will you answer emails and texts?!? Will you have your laptop with you?!?"

LOL. That's exactly why we plan to camp in the mountains each year.  No service even if you beg.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5135 on: October 31, 2014, 02:00:09 PM »
Not overheard at work, but the previous company I slaved for gave us stock options one year.  I was like "Sweet, I've totally heard about this!  I'm going to make some money by immediately selling my options!"

First of all, the number of options wasn't related to position in the company, salary, performance review, or any other factor we could figure out.  Eventually, running the numbers of the sixteen of us who were friends we determined that the options were given out based on employee height.  Our strike price for the stock options was the same as the market value of the stocks for the company (54 cents).  By the time our vesting period was over the company stock was worth just under a cent (it was delisted from the Toronto Stock Exchange a few months after that).

It was not a successful attempt to boost company morale.

Yeah, I just received options this year, too and did not even read how many for several months.  After two of the companies between DH and I did not pan out, even after holding the blue chip one for 5-8 years, the rose colored glasses are broken. Especially when I was told that because they were paying me 20k below my peers (there can be a dividing line for women, but I ensure it doesn't last long), this was all my boss could get to compensate --a very generous number of options.

Right now though, our (new) company stock is up $10 per share, or almost 20%, and I vest the first wave in January.  Wahoo!  Maybe a bit of money this time, and you can bet I won't be holding on waiting for better returns.  I already have too much company stock in the matching company purchase plan.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5136 on: October 31, 2014, 02:02:23 PM »
Email from my boss:
I'm on vacation today, but will have my blackberry with me and will be returning calls and emails.

Dude.  That's not a vacation. 

And the higher-ups can't figure out why I don't want that job...

This is one of the reasons I left my last job.  Told my boss I was going on a week long vacation camping and he flipped out.  "How will you answer emails and texts?!? Will you have your laptop with you?!?"

I hope at some point you explained to him what a "vacation" was. Compared to "working remotely" or "on-call".

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5137 on: October 31, 2014, 02:15:09 PM »
Email from my boss:
I'm on vacation today, but will have my blackberry with me and will be returning calls and emails.

Dude.  That's not a vacation. 

And the higher-ups can't figure out why I don't want that job...

This is one of the reasons I left my last job.  Told my boss I was going on a week long vacation camping and he flipped out.  "How will you answer emails and texts?!? Will you have your laptop with you?!?"

I hope at some point you explained to him what a "vacation" was. Compared to "working remotely" or "on-call".

I did.  He was none too happy.  I also explained to him that the three critical positions that I was covering for should not all be handled by one person because I could walk out the front door and get hit by a bus and they'd be screwed.  He didn't like that either.

Not that I had my phone on but he did call me several times while I was on my honeymoon in Jamaica...

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5138 on: October 31, 2014, 02:47:49 PM »
Y'all have some shitty bosses, or you're in very high management positions.

There's "working from home" and there's "feeling sick but answering emails" and there's "taking a day to run errands" but a real vacation means "find people to take over your responsibilities entirely". I've yet to have a boss who doesn't understand this.

Besides which, the reason a company gives you vacation isn't because they're super nice - it's because they need you to occasionally get rest and come back recharged so you can keep working at a high level for years. A non-vacation vacation just means burnout, not giving a fuck, and/or leaving jobs. Replacing people is really, really fucking expensive - for quite a few jobs in my industry, averages are $50k+ per head. Let's do the math, $50k a head versus, what, twenty hours of productivity a year you might gain if you force people to respond to emails on vacation? More likely two than twenty, if things are properly structured.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5139 on: October 31, 2014, 02:48:13 PM »
Email from my boss:
I'm on vacation today, but will have my blackberry with me and will be returning calls and emails.

Dude.  That's not a vacation. 

And the higher-ups can't figure out why I don't want that job...

This is one of the reasons I left my last job.  Told my boss I was going on a week long vacation camping and he flipped out.  "How will you answer emails and texts?!? Will you have your laptop with you?!?"

I hope at some point you explained to him what a "vacation" was. Compared to "working remotely" or "on-call".

I did.  He was none too happy.  I also explained to him that the three critical positions that I was covering for should not all be handled by one person because I could walk out the front door and get hit by a bus and they'd be screwed.  He didn't like that either.

Not that I had my phone on but he did call me several times while I was on my honeymoon in Jamaica...

Dh and I worked at the same company years ago, and got back from a week-long trip to Mexico to find Dh's work voicemail overflowing with increasingly angry messages from the company president, even though he knew he was on vacation.

My favorite enraged quote: "How DARE you ignore me! I'm the fucking president of this god-damn company, and you WILL show me the respect I deserve!"

Riiight. We didn't last much longer there. Dh was fired within the month, and I walked out a month later.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5140 on: October 31, 2014, 04:30:27 PM »
They can't withdraw their own money though?  Or just the matched money?

Just the matched money.  But that would negate all the incentive to do the plan you proposed.  Apparently some companies don't have vesting periods (according to recent posts in this thread), but as far as I know a 3 year vesting period is typical.  Usually you get a certain percentage of the employer contribution after a year or so, and it increases with each passing year (or some other arbitrary length of time) until you are "fully" vested and all the matched contributions are yours.
As a contractor I worked 5 years with one company and was fully vested in their 401k.  When the new contractor took over, we all rebelled because we knew they couldn't get replacements to move where we lived.  We negotiated instant vesting in their 401k and got to keep our current level of vacation.  We did this same thing with the third company that took over the contract as well.  Remember to ask at your new company.  You might be pleasantly surprised.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5141 on: October 31, 2014, 05:12:43 PM »
They can't withdraw their own money though?  Or just the matched money?

Just the matched money.  But that would negate all the incentive to do the plan you proposed.  Apparently some companies don't have vesting periods (according to recent posts in this thread), but as far as I know a 3 year vesting period is typical.  Usually you get a certain percentage of the employer contribution after a year or so, and it increases with each passing year (or some other arbitrary length of time) until you are "fully" vested and all the matched contributions are yours.

Mr. Nacho, I don't follow why taking out your contribution with a 10% penalty would negate the incentive as you state. It's a bad idea to pay a penalty at all, but you would come out ahead the way rebs proposed. Contribute $1,700, get a $1,700 match for free, withdraw your $1,700 contribution, pay $170 penalty and $400ish tax. You are left with $1,130 cash and $1,700 in your 401k waiting to vest. So you'd have $2,830 total instead of $1,300 (1,700-400 tax). Not perfect, but it makes more sense than doing nothing right? All you need to do to come out ahead is vest at least $171 to cover the penalty + $1.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5142 on: October 31, 2014, 05:50:40 PM »
So he spent $1,350 on iPhones within a month! Now he's complaining he doesn't have money for winter tires to put on his brand new (earlier this year) Mazda Miata.

I don't know if I could have avoided saying something along the lines of "There's an app for budgeting so that you don't spend $1400 on phones and don't have the money for winter tires."

He does use Mint.com...only he doesn't stick to his budgets. Cause the last time he brought it up he was telling me how angry Mint was because of all of the money he spent.

I can't remember if I mentioned this in my last post, but he was "bragging" (it sounded like bragging, as does everything he says) about how he's bought cars for cheaper than what he paid for his last laptop.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5143 on: October 31, 2014, 05:56:41 PM »
Email from my boss:
I'm on vacation today, but will have my blackberry with me and will be returning calls and emails.

Dude.  That's not a vacation. 

And the higher-ups can't figure out why I don't want that job...

This is one of the reasons I left my last job.  Told my boss I was going on a week long vacation camping and he flipped out.  "How will you answer emails and texts?!? Will you have your laptop with you?!?"

I hope at some point you explained to him what a "vacation" was. Compared to "working remotely" or "on-call".

I did.  He was none too happy.  I also explained to him that the three critical positions that I was covering for should not all be handled by one person because I could walk out the front door and get hit by a bus and they'd be screwed.  He didn't like that either.

Not that I had my phone on but he did call me several times while I was on my honeymoon in Jamaica...

Dh and I worked at the same company years ago, and got back from a week-long trip to Mexico to find Dh's work voicemail overflowing with increasingly angry messages from the company president, even though he knew he was on vacation.

My favorite enraged quote: "How DARE you ignore me! I'm the fucking president of this god-damn company, and you WILL show me the respect I deserve!"

Riiight. We didn't last much longer there. Dh was fired within the month, and I walked out a month later.

So this boss was like the Glenn Close character in "Fatal Attraction"?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5144 on: October 31, 2014, 06:27:49 PM »
Email from my boss:
I'm on vacation today, but will have my blackberry with me and will be returning calls and emails.

Dude.  That's not a vacation. 

And the higher-ups can't figure out why I don't want that job...

This is one of the reasons I left my last job.  Told my boss I was going on a week long vacation camping and he flipped out.  "How will you answer emails and texts?!? Will you have your laptop with you?!?"

I hope at some point you explained to him what a "vacation" was. Compared to "working remotely" or "on-call".

I did.  He was none too happy.  I also explained to him that the three critical positions that I was covering for should not all be handled by one person because I could walk out the front door and get hit by a bus and they'd be screwed.  He didn't like that either.

Not that I had my phone on but he did call me several times while I was on my honeymoon in Jamaica...

I've debated trying to explain this to my boss too, or even enlighten him on the mustachian way.  He's actually a really nice guy.  He shields the people that work for him from a lot of nonsense, takes blame, shares credit, etc.  Not sure it would work though, he seems to need all the latest gadgets. It makes me a bit sad when he comes in with a new one.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5145 on: October 31, 2014, 08:03:01 PM »
He does use Mint.com...only he doesn't stick to his budgets. Cause the last time he brought it up he was telling me how angry Mint was because of all of the money he spent.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5146 on: October 31, 2014, 08:33:44 PM »
Email from my boss:
I'm on vacation today, but will have my blackberry with me and will be returning calls and emails.

Dude.  That's not a vacation. 

And the higher-ups can't figure out why I don't want that job...

This is one of the reasons I left my last job.  Told my boss I was going on a week long vacation camping and he flipped out.  "How will you answer emails and texts?!? Will you have your laptop with you?!?"

I hope at some point you explained to him what a "vacation" was. Compared to "working remotely" or "on-call".

I did.  He was none too happy.  I also explained to him that the three critical positions that I was covering for should not all be handled by one person because I could walk out the front door and get hit by a bus and they'd be screwed.  He didn't like that either.

Not that I had my phone on but he did call me several times while I was on my honeymoon in Jamaica...

I've debated trying to explain this to my boss too, or even enlighten him on the mustachian way.  He's actually a really nice guy.  He shields the people that work for him from a lot of nonsense, takes blame, shares credit, etc.  Not sure it would work though, he seems to need all the latest gadgets. It makes me a bit sad when he comes in with a new one.

You're missing a golden opportunity. Obviously, there is a balance (you don't want to be checking emails for 4 hours a day while on holidays), but tell them to pay you over time if they contact you while on holidays. Keeps their business running, makes them think twice before calling you, and puts a little extra money in your pocket :)

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« Reply #5147 on: October 31, 2014, 08:56:15 PM »
You're missing a golden opportunity. Obviously, there is a balance (you don't want to be checking emails for 4 hours a day while on holidays), but tell them to pay you over time if they contact you while on holidays. Keeps their business running, makes them think twice before calling you, and puts a little extra money in your pocket :)

My boss does something similar.  He understands vacation is supposed to be a vacation, but being the only sys admin sometimes (rarely thankfully) they just have to get ahold of me.  If I have to work when on vacation, he credits me back that day of PTO, which is a pretty decent trade-off since it tends to be something quick.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #5148 on: November 01, 2014, 01:42:04 AM »
I had a boss once who would call me, and if I didn't answer, hang up and immediately call again.  After doing this a few times, he'd start sending me text messages telling me to answer the phone.

He fired me after I couldn't come in one day due to my kid being sick.  I was relieved, and kind of amused, since there was no one else who knew how to do my job thoroughly.  So of course the next week he's calling me asking how do I do X, Y, Z... after telling me when I was fired that he'd just handle things himself.

Guy was a total asshat, and kind of creepy.  Good fucking riddance.
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« Reply #5149 on: November 01, 2014, 03:48:18 AM »
I had a boss once who would call me, and if I didn't answer, hang up and immediately call again.  After doing this a few times, he'd start sending me text messages telling me to answer the phone.

He fired me after I couldn't come in one day due to my kid being sick.  I was relieved, and kind of amused, since there was no one else who knew how to do my job thoroughly.  So of course the next week he's calling me asking how do I do X, Y, Z... after telling me when I was fired that he'd just handle things himself.

Guy was a total asshat, and kind of creepy.  Good fucking riddance.
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