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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4800 on: October 16, 2014, 10:57:05 AM »

Overheard at work:

Multiple coworkers have said to me, "Oooh you're a doctor's wife now! He'll have to buy you some nice jewellery, a nice big rock... Etc."

I never anticipated being defined in this away by my husband's career. Apparently there is a whole way a doctor's wife is supposed to live, act, dress...

*facepalm*

You have to start wearing a bedazzled stethoscope, right?

No, I'm not quite sure you get it... HE would wear the bedazzled stethoscope, I would wear jewels around my ears, neck, wrist, and fingers. ;)

Not to mention the fact that now we have to buy a giant house! Darn.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4801 on: October 16, 2014, 11:01:59 AM »
Question: say you're strategically hanging on to your mortgage. Then you get sick and can't work anymore. Would that make you wish you had paid off the house?

A few years ago, maybe, because our stache was smaller than our mortgage. But I could have also sold the house and hoped to come out of that with a little cash, or at least a much smaller loan.

Now that our stache far exceeds our mortgage I have no worries. We have over 2 years of mortgage payments in liquid investments and cash, and total holdings including tax deferred accounts 1.33x our total outstanding mortgage. By the end of 2015 I expect holdings to be 3 yrs of payments liquid and ~1.8x our total outstanding mortgage.

It's not perfect, but there's a safety margin in place now aside from disability pay. A few more years from now it won't even be on my radar.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4802 on: October 16, 2014, 11:03:44 AM »

Question: say you're strategically hanging on to your mortgage. Then you get sick and can't work anymore. Would that make you wish you had paid off the house?

A few years ago, maybe, because our stache was smaller than our mortgage. But I could have also sold the house and hoped to come out of that with a little cash, or at least a much smaller loan.

Now that our stache far exceeds our mortgage I have no worries. We have over 2 years of mortgage payments in liquid investments and cash, and total holdings including tax deferred accounts 1.33x our total outstanding mortgage. By the end of 2015 I expect holdings to be 3 yrs of payments liquid and ~1.8x our total outstanding mortgage.

It's not perfect, but there's a safety margin in place now aside from disability pay. A few more years from now it won't even be on my radar.

That makes sense. But it highlights for me how home ownership is an emotional thing as much as it's a financial thing. I just can't stand the idea of not paying off a mortgage ASAP! Reason goes out the window, for me.

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« Reply #4803 on: October 16, 2014, 11:09:15 AM »
That makes sense. But it highlights for me how home ownership is an emotional thing as much as it's a financial thing. I just can't stand the idea of not paying off a mortgage ASAP! Reason goes out the window, for me.

That's ok, I'm the same way.  If we are in a position to, we will probably buy/build our first home with cash.  I know it doesn't make financial sense, but it's a home, not an investment.  A home is where you go to feel safe, secure and happy, and for some having it paid off increases all of the above.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4804 on: October 16, 2014, 11:11:27 AM »

That makes sense. But it highlights for me how home ownership is an emotional thing as much as it's a financial thing. I just can't stand the idea of not paying off a mortgage ASAP! Reason goes out the window, for me.

That's ok, I'm the same way.  If we are in a position to, we will probably buy/build our first home with cash.  I know it doesn't make financial sense, but it's a home, not an investment.  A home is where you go to feel safe, secure and happy, and for some having it paid off increases all of the above.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4805 on: October 16, 2014, 11:13:29 AM »
Put to prevent this thread from getting too foamy,  here's something on topic. We had a meeting to discuss something at work, and at the end, a coworker asked our boss about travel. Turns out he couldn't book the hotel since they want to put a hold on a credit card for the booking amount. He said he couldn't do it because he has less than $100 credit left on his card!

To be fair . . . if you're traveling for work, your work should pay for as many of your expenses as possible in full, up front.  There's really no good reason to not operate this way.  I've pretended that I am nearly at the limit of my personal credit card to force the company to do the right thing.

And forgo free rewards (or cash back)? That's madness!  As long as they reimburse you before your statement due date I don't see what the problem is.  I actually get upset when my company pays for something and I don't have the opportunity to use my personal credit card to get the cash back (or the hotel reward points).

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4806 on: October 16, 2014, 11:16:25 AM »

Question: say you're strategically hanging on to your mortgage. Then you get sick and can't work anymore. Would that make you wish you had paid off the house?

A few years ago, maybe, because our stache was smaller than our mortgage. But I could have also sold the house and hoped to come out of that with a little cash, or at least a much smaller loan.

Now that our stache far exceeds our mortgage I have no worries. We have over 2 years of mortgage payments in liquid investments and cash, and total holdings including tax deferred accounts 1.33x our total outstanding mortgage. By the end of 2015 I expect holdings to be 3 yrs of payments liquid and ~1.8x our total outstanding mortgage.

It's not perfect, but there's a safety margin in place now aside from disability pay. A few more years from now it won't even be on my radar.

That makes sense. But it highlights for me how home ownership is an emotional thing as much as it's a financial thing. I just can't stand the idea of not paying off a mortgage ASAP! Reason goes out the window, for me.

I do everything in my power to leave emotion out of it completely. I did not do this 7 years ago when we purchased the place, but our next purchase will be more in line with this thinking. That MMM post was one of the first ones I read shortly after finding the site and it changed my mindset. Think transactionally, not emotionally, including when considering mortgage payoff.

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Mindset: You can start things off by giving yourself a great gift that will make the rest of the process go much more smoothly: a calm and rational mind. Repeat after me: I am not buying a flowery pillowcase of emotions or a future of warm memories. I am conducting a business transaction to purchase a piece of land and an assembled collection of construction materials.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4807 on: October 16, 2014, 11:31:56 AM »
I was recently moved into a new office location so I'm working with all new people, although there are only 3 of us.

I was talking to one of the men, he's about 55-60 years old, about a section of the highway where cops always wait for speeders. Because I use to drive past this location daily, as I had to go that way to get to my old office, I said that I always set my cruise control, that way I didn't need to worry about getting a ticket. He was telling me that he had a Tracks? (its a small SUV) that he had to trade in after 2 years before he had hardly anything paid on it as it didn't have cruise. The conversation ended around then as one of us had to do something workwise.

So yesterday, we were both leaving another office building at the same time and I see him get into his car. A shiny new BMW, it looked really nice, but seriously? I have no idea what kind of BMW it is as I am not a car person. So I guess I know why he is still working.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4808 on: October 16, 2014, 11:42:44 AM »
Back in the 90s, a co-worker was telling my boyfriend how expensive it was to have children. Apparently the first thing he "had" to do when his wife got pregnant was go out and spend 30K on a new luxury car.  Because you can't possibly drive Baby around in the two Mercedes convertibles you already have.

(30K bought a new Acura Vigor back then.)

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4809 on: October 16, 2014, 12:16:50 PM »


So yesterday, we were both leaving another office building at the same time and I see him get into his car. A shiny new BMW, it looked really nice, but seriously? I have no idea what kind of BMW it is as I am not a car person. So I guess I know why he is still working.

A lot of people would rather work and buy fancy things than retire and not spend on high end cars, etc.  I have a co-worker who just turned 60 and I know he has over a million in retirement accts but he keeps working because he loves his cars and his two boats.  I think he is nuts but he thinks I am nuts for driving my old econocar and talking about retiring early.

Others don't think about it at all....they just buy!

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4810 on: October 16, 2014, 12:24:07 PM »


So yesterday, we were both leaving another office building at the same time and I see him get into his car. A shiny new BMW, it looked really nice, but seriously? I have no idea what kind of BMW it is as I am not a car person. So I guess I know why he is still working.

A lot of people would rather work and buy fancy things than retire and not spend on high end cars, etc.  I have a co-worker who just turned 60 and I know he has over a million in retirement accts but he keeps working because he loves his cars and his two boats.  I think he is nuts but he thinks I am nuts for driving my old econocar and talking about retiring early.

Others don't think about it at all....they just buy!

If someone knows they could retire if they were to save a lot but instead chooses to spend money on cars, etc (but no debt), then I am totally comfortable with that decision. There's a guy in my office like that (likes to work, likes his toys). It's the people who don't realize there is another way and just mindlessly consume, go into debt, and complain about their (solvable) problems that deserve to be in this thread.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4811 on: October 16, 2014, 02:31:15 PM »
I love my job RIGHT NOW. It could all change.  Wonder if my awesome boss leaves?  Wonder if I get a crazy, micromanagement boss what hates me?  Wonder if the company gets sold.  So many things could go wrong.  I'm thinking it's better to be prepared for RE just in case.  If I continue to love my job, I will continue to work as long as it's fun.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4812 on: October 16, 2014, 02:58:07 PM »
Around here in my area in mid Michigan, you can buy a very good livable house for a total mortgage payment of 1/2 of what the same house would rent for. $100k or less. You could also pay crazy prices if you have more money than brains.

It might not be a "dream house", but it wouldn't be a junker or chicken house either.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4813 on: October 16, 2014, 03:20:05 PM »

Overheard at work:

Multiple coworkers have said to me, "Oooh you're a doctor's wife now! He'll have to buy you some nice jewellery, a nice big rock... Etc."

I never anticipated being defined in this away by my husband's career. Apparently there is a whole way a doctor's wife is supposed to live, act, dress...

*facepalm*

You have to start wearing a bedazzled stethoscope, right?

No, I'm not quite sure you get it... HE would wear the bedazzled stethoscope, I would wear jewels around my ears, neck, wrist, and fingers. ;)

Not to mention the fact that now we have to buy a giant house! Darn.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4814 on: October 16, 2014, 06:46:13 PM »
Overheard at work:

Multiple coworkers have said to me, "Oooh you're a doctor's wife now! He'll have to buy you some nice jewellery, a nice big rock... Etc."

I never anticipated being defined in this away by my husband's career. Apparently there is a whole way a doctor's wife is supposed to live, act, dress...

*facepalm*

When I find myself in a group of expat ladies, the first question they usually ask is, "so, tell us, what does your husband do?"

Even as I answer, the whole time I'm thinking, 'why is this even relevant?  He's not ever here!  However I'm here so how about you ask me to tell you about me?'

Yeah - it's the whole defined by SO's career thing.  I know just how that feels now.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4815 on: October 16, 2014, 06:48:35 PM »

Overheard at work:

Multiple coworkers have said to me, "Oooh you're a doctor's wife now! He'll have to buy you some nice jewellery, a nice big rock... Etc."

I never anticipated being defined in this away by my husband's career. Apparently there is a whole way a doctor's wife is supposed to live, act, dress...

*facepalm*

When I find myself in a group of expat ladies, the first question they usually ask is, "so, tell us, what does your husband do?"

Even as I answer, the whole time I'm thinking, 'why is this even relevant?  He's not ever here!  However I'm here so how about you ask me to tell you about me?'

Yeah - it's the whole defined by SO's career thing.  I know just how that feels now.

It's bizarre! But it's just another reason to achieve FIRE as soon as possible. What do people expect of unemployed (aka FIRE'd)  people? 8D Win.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4816 on: October 17, 2014, 06:03:21 AM »
Coworker1 - this is why I can't save money, because I keep on going to the slots
Coworker2 - sometimes you win a lot, so you're probably at par
Coworker1 - yeah

(last night after a work event they went to the casino, CW1 lost 120, CW2 won 130)
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4817 on: October 17, 2014, 06:59:25 AM »
Coworker1 - this is why I can't save money, because I keep on going to the slots
Coworker2 - sometimes you win a lot, so you're probably at par
Coworker1 - yeah

(last night after a work event they went to the casino, CW1 lost 120, CW2 won 130)

Sounds like CW2 needs a lesson in statistics...

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« Reply #4818 on: October 17, 2014, 08:27:10 AM »
Coworker1 - this is why I can't save money, because I keep on going to the slots
Coworker2 - sometimes you win a lot, so you're probably at par
Coworker1 - yeah

(last night after a work event they went to the casino, CW1 lost 120, CW2 won 130)

Sounds like CW2 needs a lesson in statistics...

I always loved the slots, mainly because often casinos will advertise that you will lose 0.03$ per 1.0$ played, as if this was a good thing.  (I do play some blackjack to be social on work trips but I fully understand that I am down relative the house.)
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4819 on: October 17, 2014, 08:44:35 AM »
Coworker1 - this is why I can't save money, because I keep on going to the slots
Coworker2 - sometimes you win a lot, so you're probably at par
Coworker1 - yeah

(last night after a work event they went to the casino, CW1 lost 120, CW2 won 130)

Sounds like CW2 needs a lesson in statistics...

I always loved the slots, mainly because often casinos will advertise that you will lose 0.03$ per 1.0$ played, as if this was a good thing.  (I do play some blackjack to be social on work trips but I fully understand that I am down relative the house.)

It is possible to not lose money at the casino (or even come out ahead) on average if you don't play the wrong games and take advantage of promotional deals. See Casino Gambling for Dummies. I don't recommend gambling in general, but if you are going to do it on occasion then it's best to be informed.

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« Reply #4820 on: October 17, 2014, 08:45:30 AM »
Coworker1 - this is why I can't save money, because I keep on going to the slots
Coworker2 - sometimes you win a lot, so you're probably at par
Coworker1 - yeah

(last night after a work event they went to the casino, CW1 lost 120, CW2 won 130)

Sounds like CW2 needs a lesson in statistics...

I always loved the slots, mainly because often casinos will advertise that you will lose 0.03$ per 1.0$ played, as if this was a good thing.  (I do play some blackjack to be social on work trips but I fully understand that I am down relative the house.)

My parents are the worst offenders.  Huge gamblers and always complaining about money and asking thier kids for handouts.  Always report the nights they come out ahead, but never discuss the nights they lose.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4821 on: October 17, 2014, 08:56:39 AM »
Coworker1 - this is why I can't save money, because I keep on going to the slots
Coworker2 - sometimes you win a lot, so you're probably at par
Coworker1 - yeah

(last night after a work event they went to the casino, CW1 lost 120, CW2 won 130)

Sounds like CW2 needs a lesson in statistics...

I always loved the slots, mainly because often casinos will advertise that you will lose 0.03$ per 1.0$ played, as if this was a good thing.  (I do play some blackjack to be social on work trips but I fully understand that I am down relative the house.)

My parents are the worst offenders.  Huge gamblers and always complaining about money and asking thier kids for handouts.  Always report the nights they come out ahead, but never discuss the nights they lose.

SO's mother is very much the same way. She likes to pull that arm. SO and I have been gambling a combined 5 times or so. About $20 up between us give or take, but we don't enjoy it so we don't go. Super boring when the thrill isn't there (if you act like an adult, not a child). I'd like to try poker when my company takes a trip to atlantic city next year more for the experience than anything else.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4822 on: October 17, 2014, 09:28:25 AM »
a while back when I was moving a coworker asked if I was getting movers or just going to buy new stuff. I said neither, I am taking my current things and moving them myself to the new place. He was amazed. He said he sometimes has movers move the stuff he still likes but usally buys new things once he gets to the new place. That way they will deliver them and set it up for him.


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« Reply #4823 on: October 17, 2014, 10:00:11 AM »
From a book of Murphy's Laws: Gambling - A tax on people who are bad at math. See also "lottery."
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4824 on: October 17, 2014, 10:38:25 AM »
a while back when I was moving a coworker asked if I was getting movers or just going to buy new stuff. I said neither, I am taking my current things and moving them myself to the new place. He was amazed. He said he sometimes has movers move the stuff he still likes but usally buys new things once he gets to the new place. That way they will deliver them and set it up for him.

Wow!  What does he do with the stuff he doesn't like?  Just leave it there for the landlord (or new owners) to take care of (and deduct from his deposit)?  I hope I don't have him for a tenant.

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« Reply #4825 on: October 17, 2014, 10:51:47 AM »
a while back when I was moving a coworker asked if I was getting movers or just going to buy new stuff. I said neither, I am taking my current things and moving them myself to the new place. He was amazed. He said he sometimes has movers move the stuff he still likes but usally buys new things once he gets to the new place. That way they will deliver them and set it up for him.

Wow!  What does he do with the stuff he doesn't like?  Just leave it there for the landlord (or new owners) to take care of (and deduct from his deposit)?  I hope I don't have him for a tenant.

Yeah but free stuff.  Just craigslist it

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« Reply #4826 on: October 17, 2014, 11:00:30 AM »
LOL - We are actually in the camp of throwing stuff out instead of moving it.  Just the rental fees of the truck and gas expense is  worth way more than the old bachelor furniture we currently have.

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« Reply #4827 on: October 17, 2014, 11:35:22 AM »
LOL - We are actually in the camp of throwing stuff out instead of moving it.  Just the rental fees of the truck and gas expense is  worth way more than the old bachelor furniture we currently have.

How do you get diffrent stuff to the new place then without moving it? You toss out your old stuff. You get to the new place now what?

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« Reply #4828 on: October 17, 2014, 11:52:36 AM »
LOL - We are actually in the camp of throwing stuff out instead of moving it.  Just the rental fees of the truck and gas expense is  worth way more than the old bachelor furniture we currently have.

How do you get diffrent stuff to the new place then without moving it? You toss out your old stuff. You get to the new place now what?

The plan is to take out a very high interest loan and buy a bunch of stuff for the new house from the highest end stores in town.  Then I will make the minimum payments on that high interest loan.  I will delay buying this stuff  for months though so that we can eat out at restarants every day instead of utizing our kitchen.

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« Reply #4829 on: October 17, 2014, 12:10:23 PM »
LOL - We are actually in the camp of throwing stuff out instead of moving it.  Just the rental fees of the truck and gas expense is  worth way more than the old bachelor furniture we currently have.

How do you get diffrent stuff to the new place then without moving it? You toss out your old stuff. You get to the new place now what?

The plan is to take out a very high interest loan and buy a bunch of stuff for the new house from the highest end stores in town.  Then I will make the minimum payments on that high interest loan.  I will delay buying this stuff  for months though so that we can eat out at restarants every day instead of utizing our kitchen.

This is stupid.  I suggest rent-to-own instead.

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« Reply #4830 on: October 17, 2014, 12:23:35 PM »
LOL - We are actually in the camp of throwing stuff out instead of moving it.  Just the rental fees of the truck and gas expense is  worth way more than the old bachelor furniture we currently have.

How do you get diffrent stuff to the new place then without moving it? You toss out your old stuff. You get to the new place now what?

The plan is to take out a very high interest loan and buy a bunch of stuff for the new house from the highest end stores in town.  Then I will make the minimum payments on that high interest loan.  I will delay buying this stuff  for months though so that we can eat out at restarants every day instead of utizing our kitchen.

This is stupid.  I suggest rent-to-own instead.

Why the hell would you do that?? You'll get repo'd on a rent-to-own once you default! When I default on the credit card it just goes to stupid collections and I get to keep the stuff.

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« Reply #4831 on: October 17, 2014, 12:23:42 PM »
LOL - We are actually in the camp of throwing stuff out instead of moving it.  Just the rental fees of the truck and gas expense is  worth way more than the old bachelor furniture we currently have.

How do you get diffrent stuff to the new place then without moving it? You toss out your old stuff. You get to the new place now what?

The plan is to take out a very high interest loan and buy a bunch of stuff for the new house from the highest end stores in town.  Then I will make the minimum payments on that high interest loan.  I will delay buying this stuff  for months though so that we can eat out at restarants every day instead of utizing our kitchen.

This is stupid.  I suggest rent-to-own instead.

I make my rent to own payments with cash advance money.

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« Reply #4832 on: October 17, 2014, 12:23:58 PM »
a while back when I was moving a coworker asked if I was getting movers or just going to buy new stuff. I said neither, I am taking my current things and moving them myself to the new place. He was amazed. He said he sometimes has movers move the stuff he still likes but usally buys new things once he gets to the new place. That way they will deliver them and set it up for him.

Wow!  What does he do with the stuff he doesn't like?  Just leave it there for the landlord (or new owners) to take care of (and deduct from his deposit)?  I hope I don't have him for a tenant.

Yeah but free stuff.  Just craigslist it

Or charge him a removal/disposal fee, and also list it on craigslist.  It's win-win.

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« Reply #4833 on: October 17, 2014, 12:25:29 PM »
I make my rent to own payments with cash advance money.

Then how do you pay the mortgage?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4834 on: October 17, 2014, 12:49:11 PM »
LOL - We are actually in the camp of throwing stuff out instead of moving it.  Just the rental fees of the truck and gas expense is  worth way more than the old bachelor furniture we currently have.

How do you get diffrent stuff to the new place then without moving it? You toss out your old stuff. You get to the new place now what?

The plan is to take out a very high interest loan and buy a bunch of stuff for the new house from the highest end stores in town.  Then I will make the minimum payments on that high interest loan.  I will delay buying this stuff  for months though so that we can eat out at restarants every day instead of utizing our kitchen.

This is stupid.  I suggest rent-to-own instead.

Why the hell would you do that?? You'll get repo'd on a rent-to-own once you default! When I default on the credit card it just goes to stupid collections and I get to keep the stuff.

I just rent-to-own.  Then when I have to move for non-payment of rent I don't need to move all that crap.  I just stop paying and let them repo it.  Moving problem solved!

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4835 on: October 17, 2014, 01:04:42 PM »
Overheard at work:

Multiple coworkers have said to me, "Oooh you're a doctor's wife now! He'll have to buy you some nice jewellery, a nice big rock... Etc."

I never anticipated being defined in this away by my husband's career. Apparently there is a whole way a doctor's wife is supposed to live, act, dress...

*facepalm*

When I find myself in a group of expat ladies, the first question they usually ask is, "so, tell us, what does your husband do?"

Even as I answer, the whole time I'm thinking, 'why is this even relevant?  He's not ever here!  However I'm here so how about you ask me to tell you about me?'

Yeah - it's the whole defined by SO's career thing.  I know just how that feels now.

I can't speak for Western cultures, but in many Asian and African cultures, a woman is defined by her husband's profession, especially in the upper/uppity class. I learnt this in Anthropology class and in the last 16 years in the USA, have seen it firsthand.
Within my family, my aunt is defined as a Gastro-doc's wife within her Indian circle of friends. My sister-in-law (Vietnamese) is defined as a Oral Surgeon's (with MD/DDS degrees) wife, even though she is a dentist. One cousin is a MD and his wife (HongKongese) is a pediatrician, yet she is a doctor's wife.
On the flip side, my parents are working class so my mother doesn't get labeled. Neither does my wife (CPA) even though she's married to Mr. thrifty engineer (your's truly).
My grandparents' generation would frequently tell unmarried girls to choose wisely by saying "You are who you marry" and "You are defined by the family you marry into".
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4836 on: October 17, 2014, 01:22:38 PM »
LOL - We are actually in the camp of throwing stuff out instead of moving it.  Just the rental fees of the truck and gas expense is  worth way more than the old bachelor furniture we currently have.

How do you get diffrent stuff to the new place then without moving it? You toss out your old stuff. You get to the new place now what?

The plan is to take out a very high interest loan and buy a bunch of stuff for the new house from the highest end stores in town.  Then I will make the minimum payments on that high interest loan.  I will delay buying this stuff  for months though so that we can eat out at restarants every day instead of utizing our kitchen.

This is stupid.  I suggest rent-to-own instead.

Why the hell would you do that?? You'll get repo'd on a rent-to-own once you default! When I default on the credit card it just goes to stupid collections and I get to keep the stuff.

I just rent-to-own.  Then when I have to move for non-payment of rent I don't need to move all that crap.  I just stop paying and let them repo it.  Moving problem solved!

A truly top down integrated approach.  I like it. Also with a new address a new cable package. Why yes, I would like ALL the channels on all 4 TVs, put those HD 3D DVR no wire high output HDMI TV to good use.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4837 on: October 17, 2014, 02:20:10 PM »
LOL - We are actually in the camp of throwing stuff out instead of moving it.  Just the rental fees of the truck and gas expense is  worth way more than the old bachelor furniture we currently have.

How do you get diffrent stuff to the new place then without moving it? You toss out your old stuff. You get to the new place now what?

The plan is to take out a very high interest loan and buy a bunch of stuff for the new house from the highest end stores in town.  Then I will make the minimum payments on that high interest loan.  I will delay buying this stuff  for months though so that we can eat out at restarants every day instead of utizing our kitchen.

This is stupid.  I suggest rent-to-own instead.

Why the hell would you do that?? You'll get repo'd on a rent-to-own once you default! When I default on the credit card it just goes to stupid collections and I get to keep the stuff.

I just rent-to-own.  Then when I have to move for non-payment of rent I don't need to move all that crap.  I just stop paying and let them repo it.  Moving problem solved!

A truly top down integrated approach.  I like it. Also with a new address a new cable package. Why yes, I would like ALL the channels on all 4 TVs, put those HD 3D DVR no wire high output HDMI TV to good use.
The TVs of course all need the best HDMI cables money can buy: http://www.amazon.com/Diamond-Digital-Audio-Ethernet-Connection/dp/B003CT2A6I/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4838 on: October 17, 2014, 02:31:15 PM »
The reviews are priceless! !

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4839 on: October 17, 2014, 02:32:38 PM »


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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4840 on: October 17, 2014, 02:36:51 PM »
What a time to be alive.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4841 on: October 17, 2014, 04:56:18 PM »
LOL - We are actually in the camp of throwing stuff out instead of moving it.  Just the rental fees of the truck and gas expense is  worth way more than the old bachelor furniture we currently have.

How do you get diffrent stuff to the new place then without moving it? You toss out your old stuff. You get to the new place now what?

The plan is to take out a very high interest loan and buy a bunch of stuff for the new house from the highest end stores in town.  Then I will make the minimum payments on that high interest loan.  I will delay buying this stuff  for months though so that we can eat out at restarants every day instead of utizing our kitchen.

This is stupid.  I suggest rent-to-own instead.

Why the hell would you do that?? You'll get repo'd on a rent-to-own once you default! When I default on the credit card it just goes to stupid collections and I get to keep the stuff.

I just rent-to-own.  Then when I have to move for non-payment of rent I don't need to move all that crap.  I just stop paying and let them repo it.  Moving problem solved!

A truly top down integrated approach.  I like it. Also with a new address a new cable package. Why yes, I would like ALL the channels on all 4 TVs, put those HD 3D DVR no wire high output HDMI TV to good use.
The TVs of course all need the best HDMI cables money can buy: http://www.amazon.com/Diamond-Digital-Audio-Ethernet-Connection/dp/B003CT2A6I/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

You all need to take a break from reading this thread. It is clearly seeping into your consciousness. ;) (j/k)

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4842 on: October 18, 2014, 01:10:33 AM »
It is possible to not lose money at the casino (or even come out ahead) on average if you don't play the wrong games and take advantage of promotional deals. See Casino Gambling for Dummies. I don't recommend gambling in general, but if you are going to do it on occasion then it's best to be informed.
If i remember correctly (never gamble, hope I do not confuse the names lol) Black Jack is the only casino game where the bank is in disadvantage bc the dealer has to make a move. There are certain techniques to use this - and if you use them and win, you get thrown out ;)

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4843 on: October 18, 2014, 08:49:56 AM »
Poker you can count cards and will win something like 51% of the time if you do... but of course the house doesn't let you win, they kick you out. if I am not allowed to play to win why would I play?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4844 on: October 18, 2014, 10:50:50 AM »
It is possible to not lose money at the casino (or even come out ahead) on average if you don't play the wrong games and take advantage of promotional deals. See Casino Gambling for Dummies. I don't recommend gambling in general, but if you are going to do it on occasion then it's best to be informed.
If i remember correctly (never gamble, hope I do not confuse the names lol) Black Jack is the only casino game where the bank is in disadvantage bc the dealer has to make a move. There are certain techniques to use this - and if you use them and win, you get thrown out ;)

Depending on the rule set you can have a slight edge in Black Jack by counting cards. Casinos love people who think they can count cards because most of them either can't or will blow their winnings on something else. Though if you are a serious and successful card counter and the casino figures it out they can ask you to leave (casinos are private property).

There are a decent number of games that with proper strategy you can keep your losses to a minimum. Combine that with getting comp'd (casino pays for your room and/or meals) or other promotions (e.g. join our club and get $200 in free money) and you can break even or make a small profit. That said, I hate casinos and would never recommend gambling. Just if you're going to do it anyway you might as well do it right.

I know the author of the book I linked personally which is why I know as much as I do about gambling. He is actually fairly Mustachian. He bikes around town, doesn't buy much consumerism junk, buys things in bulk when they are on sale, etc. He made most his money counting cards in Black Jack. At one point he had been kicked out of every casino in Las Vegas. He also dabbled in various other business ventures, including real estate. I estimate he was FI somewhere around age 40 or so.


Poker you can count cards and will win something like 51% of the time if you do... but of course the house doesn't let you win, they kick you out. if I am not allowed to play to win why would I play?

Pretty sure counting cards doesn't help you in Poker (I think they reshuffle every hand, though it might depend on the variant), it's more about proper strategy. Also, if you play Poker at a table at the casino you are typically playing against other players and not the casino. So the casino doesn't care how much you win (they just take a cut) and won't kick you out unless you are cheating.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4845 on: October 18, 2014, 12:31:35 PM »
Poker you can't count cards you can figure your odds vs what you think the other guy may have. Poker is more about understanding odds and people than counting cards in fact you don't count at all. I've made lots of money playing poker and you don't count cards
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4846 on: October 18, 2014, 04:14:21 PM »
I think my Probability professor said without counting cards or anything, your best odds in a casino are with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craps

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4847 on: October 18, 2014, 04:23:38 PM »
I think my Probability professor said without counting cards or anything, your best odds in a casino are with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craps

If you go for the right bets Craps aren't horrible. They have terrible odds otherwise though.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4848 on: October 18, 2014, 05:28:27 PM »
Craps has an even money bet or two.  Blackjack is positive EV when you play perfect basic strategy and having counting skills, but that ain't easy and you could get thrown out.  Poker had the best odds as long as you know what you are doing since it is a skill game against other players.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #4849 on: October 18, 2014, 06:17:28 PM »
It is possible to not lose money at the casino (or even come out ahead) on average if you don't play the wrong games and take advantage of promotional deals. See Casino Gambling for Dummies. I don't recommend gambling in general, but if you are going to do it on occasion then it's best to be informed.
If i remember correctly (never gamble, hope I do not confuse the names lol) Black Jack is the only casino game where the bank is in disadvantage bc the dealer has to make a move. There are certain techniques to use this - and if you use them and win, you get thrown out ;)

My son and 3 of his mates got black banned from a casino in our state for playing Black Jack. They made $25k between them in a couple of hours, on a $4k investment. They did spend some months planning the event, but pulled the "we've all just turned 18, this is our first visit to a casino, we didn't know it was illegal". 2/3 ain't bad. It's a self-limiting game though, there are only so many casinos you can do that to before you get too old / people start to know you.