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« Reply #19550 on: January 23, 2018, 06:09:40 PM »
I think the servant concept can be a great idea, and in a way it's too bad we don't have it in America any longer. You would hope, of course, that servants eventually moved on to start their own families or had families under their master's roof.

It would be a great way to provide stability and employment to people who, for whatever reason, don't fit into the current information-age or high-skilled business market.

On a purely practical level, a lot would have to change economically and legally for such a thing to be possible. Right now, the overhead associated with having an employee is impressive. There's taxes and the paperwork related to them, of course, but the big sticking point would most likely be health care.
You still have this these days, but only for the truly wealthy.  Still there are threads of it.

Nannies (live-in)
Nannies (not live in)
Au pairs
Cleaning services
Gardeners

It might not be typical for an average family to have all these.  But our town has some really wealthy people nearby (hello Oprah!) and it's much more common for that.  I once saw an ad in Craigslist looking for a married couple - husband to take care of the gardens and manage the grounds and wife to be a private chef.  Pay was approx $100k but included free rent in their own cottage.

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« Reply #19551 on: January 24, 2018, 10:37:11 AM »
I think the servant concept can be a great idea, and in a way it's too bad we don't have it in America any longer. You would hope, of course, that servants eventually moved on to start their own families or had families under their master's roof.

It would be a great way to provide stability and employment to people who, for whatever reason, don't fit into the current information-age or high-skilled business market.

On a purely practical level, a lot would have to change economically and legally for such a thing to be possible. Right now, the overhead associated with having an employee is impressive. There's taxes and the paperwork related to them, of course, but the big sticking point would most likely be health care.
You still have this these days, but only for the truly wealthy.  Still there are threads of it.

Nannies (live-in)
Nannies (not live in)
Au pairs
Cleaning services
Gardeners

It might not be typical for an average family to have all these.  But our town has some really wealthy people nearby (hello Oprah!) and it's much more common for that.  I once saw an ad in Craigslist looking for a married couple - husband to take care of the gardens and manage the grounds and wife to be a private chef.  Pay was approx $100k but included free rent in their own cottage.

I know a family who hired a couple to move into a guest cottage on their main property and take care of the place. They get free rent, use of a new F-150, benefits and they make $75k per year.

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« Reply #19552 on: January 24, 2018, 12:22:24 PM »

And unthaw meets both of these descriptions. It means thaw and also yet to be thawed. but it never means freeze, which it should. Of course that would be redundant.

It does though, when used in the past tense.  "use unthawed meat" means to use frozen. 
that's the only instance when "unthawed" makes sense to use.  Until you realize you could just say "frozen".

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« Reply #19553 on: January 25, 2018, 04:24:13 AM »
One of my young (26-ish) colleagues has recently bought an apartment. His GF is not working yet and cannot provide a share in the household cost. So he moved in alone of is now looking for a paying roommate. The apartment has a spare bedroom for the roommate and they will share the other rooms. He is looking forward to it and thinks it is nice to live together with someone. He also counted on a roommate income when buying this apartment.

Two other colleagues at the same table were discussing that they could never imagine renting out a room in their house.

We also talked about groceries. Most of us buy groceries at a cheap store. One of the colleagues said he consequently did his grocery shopping at Expensive store A and Expensive store B. Because he was familiar with these stores. New stores have stuff stored in different places and will take more time to shop in. I mentioned that this was only in the beginning. Then he sceptically looked at me (aged 44) and asked if I also shopped at Cheap store C, like the other guys. I confirmed and that surprised him.

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« Reply #19554 on: January 25, 2018, 12:33:34 PM »

And unthaw meets both of these descriptions. It means thaw and also yet to be thawed. but it never means freeze, which it should. Of course that would be redundant.

It does though, when used in the past tense.  "use unthawed meat" means to use frozen. 
that's the only instance when "unthawed" makes sense to use.  Until you realize you could just say "frozen".

Lol, didn't expect to be seeing this foam again.

I meant that it does not mean "freeze" as in the action verb. Oddly though I now may see a reason to use this word:

If I want to say a thing is frozen but also imply that it will soon be thawed I can use "still frozen" or I could use "unthawed" saving myself 3 letters and one space. Of course the many characters I've now used to discuss this topic will far outweigh my lifetime savings of characters realized by using the word unthawed.
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« Reply #19555 on: January 25, 2018, 12:41:13 PM »

And unthaw meets both of these descriptions. It means thaw and also yet to be thawed. but it never means freeze, which it should. Of course that would be redundant.

It does though, when used in the past tense.  "use unthawed meat" means to use frozen. 
that's the only instance when "unthawed" makes sense to use.  Until you realize you could just say "frozen".

Lol, didn't expect to be seeing this foam again.

I meant that it does not mean "freeze" as in the action verb. Oddly though I now may see a reason to use this word:

If I want to say a thing is frozen but also imply that it will soon be thawed I can use "still frozen" or I could use "unthawed" saving myself 3 letters and one space. Of course the many characters I've now used to discuss this topic will far outweigh my lifetime savings of characters realized by using the word unthawed.

Just write out about 50 recipes using unthawed meat. Problem solved. Also, Google identifies that as a misspelling, even though the definition does exist.

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« Reply #19556 on: January 25, 2018, 01:01:59 PM »
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We also talked about groceries. Most of us buy groceries at a cheap store. One of the colleagues said he consequently did his grocery shopping at Expensive store A and Expensive store B. Because he was familiar with these stores. New stores have stuff stored in different places and will take more time to shop in. I mentioned that this was only in the beginning. Then he sceptically looked at me (aged 44) and asked if I also shopped at Cheap store C, like the other guys. I confirmed and that surprised him.

I just talked to someone last week who sheepishly admitted about Whole Foods "I know it's expensive but I do all my shopping there because it's so convenient."  I just don't get why your co-worker's "familiar" and my acquaintance's "convenient" (within limits of course) see it as worth paying hundreds of $ per month more for groceries.

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« Reply #19557 on: January 25, 2018, 01:20:21 PM »
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We also talked about groceries. Most of us buy groceries at a cheap store. One of the colleagues said he consequently did his grocery shopping at Expensive store A and Expensive store B. Because he was familiar with these stores. New stores have stuff stored in different places and will take more time to shop in. I mentioned that this was only in the beginning. Then he sceptically looked at me (aged 44) and asked if I also shopped at Cheap store C, like the other guys. I confirmed and that surprised him.

I just talked to someone last week who sheepishly admitted about Whole Foods "I know it's expensive but I do all my shopping there because it's so convenient."  I just don't get why your co-worker's "familiar" and my acquaintance's "convenient" (within limits of course) see it as worth paying hundreds of $ per month more for groceries.
They just don't value money or efficiency nearly as highly as they do the avoidance of "hassle". Plus they probably never stop to add it all up (since that would be a "hassle" as well).

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« Reply #19558 on: January 25, 2018, 01:18:55 PM »
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We also talked about groceries. Most of us buy groceries at a cheap store. One of the colleagues said he consequently did his grocery shopping at Expensive store A and Expensive store B. Because he was familiar with these stores. New stores have stuff stored in different places and will take more time to shop in. I mentioned that this was only in the beginning. Then he sceptically looked at me (aged 44) and asked if I also shopped at Cheap store C, like the other guys. I confirmed and that surprised him.
They just don't value money or efficiency nearly as highly as they do the avoidance of "hassle". Plus they probably never stop to add it all up (since that would be a "hassle" as well).

I just talked to someone last week who sheepishly admitted about Whole Foods "I know it's expensive but I do all my shopping there because it's so convenient."  I just don't get why your co-worker's "familiar" and my acquaintance's "convenient" (within limits of course) see it as worth paying hundreds of $ per month more for groceries.

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« Reply #19559 on: January 25, 2018, 01:23:22 PM »
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We also talked about groceries. Most of us buy groceries at a cheap store. One of the colleagues said he consequently did his grocery shopping at Expensive store A and Expensive store B. Because he was familiar with these stores. New stores have stuff stored in different places and will take more time to shop in. I mentioned that this was only in the beginning. Then he sceptically looked at me (aged 44) and asked if I also shopped at Cheap store C, like the other guys. I confirmed and that surprised him.

I just talked to someone last week who sheepishly admitted about Whole Foods "I know it's expensive but I do all my shopping there because it's so convenient."  I just don't get why your co-worker's "familiar" and my acquaintance's "convenient" (within limits of course) see it as worth paying hundreds of $ per month more for groceries.

Just wait until the store remodels or does a massive reorganization. It's awful.

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« Reply #19560 on: January 25, 2018, 05:15:37 PM »
 I work with a lovely man in his 50s, who is a constant reminder to me of the benefits of both self-care and mustachianism. He is overweight and having some costly health issues as a result (diabetes, sleep apnea, kidney back and knee problems), resulting in running out of sick pay and no savings. He also has two early twenty-something kids who don't work and have no plans to leave home, a wife that works part time only, so he has to stay at a job he hates (the stress is killing him) to support his family. They've recently remodelled the kitchen and bought a fancy puppy, so they had to add in fences, all costing huge $$$$ and stress.

Though he dreams of leaving work, his expenses are so high that he can only look at jobs in different fields grossing over $100k (hard to do when transitioning to a new field at 50). At the moment his heart is set on a new field that pays well, but is notoriously competitive and had a 12-phase employment process- costing him time and money for a small chance of bagging a job.

He's decided to get in shape recently  (he tries this once a year or so, hopefully it'll stick this time)- he's signed himself and wife up for a food delivery system, all meals - I asked the cost- $159aud, per person, per week!! For comparison, I spend about $125per week total for 3 adults. On top of this, he still needs to feed his two adult kids. He's also joined a fancy gym near his place, $40 a week for each he and his wife.  While I want him to succeed (he badly needs to get fit, his office is next to mine, I'm worried that I'll hear a thump and find him dead on the floor one day), I just feel so bad for him, he seems so 'trapped' in his life, and just unhappy. 

While I don't love my job either, I've got a clear plan (out in 8 years with a paid off mortgage and a decent investment portfolio) and low expenses/enough savings that  if the stress got bad enough, I could quit and sustain my lifestyle with a much lower wage.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #19561 on: January 25, 2018, 07:29:30 PM »
Overheard at work today: snoring from the row or cubicles over from mine. I couldn’t quite believe it so a coworker and I checked it out and found a side asleep at his desk, headphones on in front of his monitors. We were concerned and thought about tracking the dude’s a manger down to say something. More investigation from his neighbors though turned out that this is the usual post-lunch activity.

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« Reply #19562 on: January 26, 2018, 12:58:33 AM »
I work with a lovely man in his 50s, who is a constant reminder to me of the benefits of both self-care and mustachianism. He is overweight and having some costly health issues as a result (diabetes, sleep apnea, kidney back and knee problems), resulting in running out of sick pay and no savings.

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I'm worried that I'll hear a thump and find him dead on the floor one day), I just feel so bad for him, he seems so 'trapped' in his life, and just unhappy. 


I think you are quite right in expecting this. He might also be at a high risk for suicide.

Would there be any way to help him becoming more frugal? He would benefit so much from it.

Is it a crazy idea to send him a personal note with a link to a frugal-mindset website and ask to him get in touch with you if he wants to find out more? You don't need to mention FIRE at all, but just the benefits of not being so dependent on the big $$$ job.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #19563 on: January 26, 2018, 02:01:52 AM »
Overheard at work today: snoring from the row or cubicles over from mine. I couldn’t quite believe it so a coworker and I checked it out and found a side asleep at his desk, headphones on in front of his monitors. We were concerned and thought about tracking the dude’s a manger down to say something. More investigation from his neighbors though turned out that this is the usual post-lunch activity.

He just have to say he was power napping, then everything is OK.

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« Reply #19564 on: January 26, 2018, 04:44:03 AM »
Overheard at work today: snoring from the row or cubicles over from mine. I couldn’t quite believe it so a coworker and I checked it out and found a side asleep at his desk, headphones on in front of his monitors. We were concerned and thought about tracking the dude’s a manger down to say something. More investigation from his neighbors though turned out that this is the usual post-lunch activity.
Hahaha, reminds me of this lazy guy who was an engineer. He moped around all day long and never seemed to accomplish anything. Every single day at lunch time he would eat his lunch at his desk and then promptly fall asleep. One of our younger engineers was devilish and would let him get into a good sleep and would call him on his phone, wake him up and then hang up. This is way before caller ID. I guess you might call that a 'wake up call'. LOL!

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #19565 on: January 26, 2018, 07:16:53 AM »
Overheard at work today: snoring from the row or cubicles over from mine. I couldn’t quite believe it so a coworker and I checked it out and found a side asleep at his desk, headphones on in front of his monitors. We were concerned and thought about tracking the dude’s a manger down to say something. More investigation from his neighbors though turned out that this is the usual post-lunch activity.

I'm 90% sure someone was sleeping in the bathroom the other day. No loud snoring, but definitely a distinct sleep breathing pattern and no other sound or movement in the stall. The breathing stayed the same after I flushed... I guess headphones or something?

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« Reply #19566 on: January 26, 2018, 07:25:08 AM »
Overheard at work today: snoring from the row or cubicles over from mine. I couldn’t quite believe it so a coworker and I checked it out and found a side asleep at his desk, headphones on in front of his monitors. We were concerned and thought about tracking the dude’s a manger down to say something. More investigation from his neighbors though turned out that this is the usual post-lunch activity.
Hahaha, reminds me of this lazy guy who was an engineer. He moped around all day long and never seemed to accomplish anything. Every single day at lunch time he would eat his lunch at his desk and then promptly fall asleep. One of our younger engineers was devilish and would let him get into a good sleep and would call him on his phone, wake him up and then hang up. This is way before caller ID. I guess you might call that a 'wake up call'. LOL!
At my last workplace we had an in-house consultant, very clever but loved to nap during the day. The contract frowns upon napping on billable time. A few of us would take turns calling him and hanging up. He's still there, still napping daily, still getting crank calls. My old boss is in on it. He crank calls too.

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« Reply #19567 on: January 26, 2018, 07:39:30 AM »
Overheard at work today: snoring from the row or cubicles over from mine. I couldn’t quite believe it so a coworker and I checked it out and found a side asleep at his desk, headphones on in front of his monitors. We were concerned and thought about tracking the dude’s a manger down to say something. More investigation from his neighbors though turned out that this is the usual post-lunch activity.

I have a coworker who regularly falls asleep in the afternoon, often during video meetings. 

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« Reply #19568 on: January 26, 2018, 08:12:01 AM »
Overheard at work today: snoring from the row or cubicles over from mine. I couldn’t quite believe it so a coworker and I checked it out and found a side asleep at his desk, headphones on in front of his monitors. We were concerned and thought about tracking the dude’s a manger down to say something. More investigation from his neighbors though turned out that this is the usual post-lunch activity.

I have a coworker who regularly falls asleep in the afternoon, often during video meetings.

To be fair, video meetings can be some of the most boring things on earth, especially if you are just listening while others speak at you.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #19569 on: January 26, 2018, 08:57:23 AM »
I'm 90% sure someone was sleeping in the bathroom the other day. No loud snoring, but definitely a distinct sleep breathing pattern and no other sound or movement in the stall. The breathing stayed the same after I flushed... I guess headphones or something?

Our work restrooms have motion detector lights that go out after some reasonable amount of time (never actually checked how long).  I went in the other day and the lights popped on but someone was in a stall.  I'm thinking they were either sleeping or need more fiber. 

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« Reply #19570 on: January 26, 2018, 10:26:04 AM »
I'm 90% sure someone was sleeping in the bathroom the other day. No loud snoring, but definitely a distinct sleep breathing pattern and no other sound or movement in the stall. The breathing stayed the same after I flushed... I guess headphones or something?

Our work restrooms have motion detector lights that go out after some reasonable amount of time (never actually checked how long).  I went in the other day and the lights popped on but someone was in a stall.  I'm thinking they were either sleeping or need more fiber.
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« Reply #19571 on: January 26, 2018, 11:13:10 AM »
In an old building I worked in the toilets had no windows and the lights were on a motion sensor. The problem was that the only motion the sensor detected was near the entrance and the sinks. So if you sat in a stall for more than about ten seconds you were plunged into obscurity.

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« Reply #19572 on: January 26, 2018, 11:24:59 AM »
Overheard at work today: snoring from the row or cubicles over from mine. I couldn’t quite believe it so a coworker and I checked it out and found a side asleep at his desk, headphones on in front of his monitors. We were concerned and thought about tracking the dude’s a manger down to say something. More investigation from his neighbors though turned out that this is the usual post-lunch activity.

I have a coworker who regularly falls asleep in the afternoon, often during video meetings.

To be fair, video meetings can be some of the most boring things on earth, especially if you are just listening while others speak at you.

These are interactive meetings.

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« Reply #19573 on: January 26, 2018, 11:53:26 AM »
Overheard at work today: snoring from the row or cubicles over from mine. I couldn’t quite believe it so a coworker and I checked it out and found a side asleep at his desk, headphones on in front of his monitors. We were concerned and thought about tracking the dude’s a manger down to say something. More investigation from his neighbors though turned out that this is the usual post-lunch activity.

I have a coworker who regularly falls asleep in the afternoon, often during video meetings.
We had one of those.  He was 60, overweight, sleep apnea, was sleeping on an air mattress (lived in TX, but moved here for the job).

After several months, his insurance kicked in (he didn't have it while unemployed, because back then was unable to marry his boyfriend).

Insurance meant he was able to be treated for the sleep apnea.  We convinced him to get at least a futon.  After about a month of treatment he was so much better.  He was sleeping, losing weight, and staying awake in meetings.  Sleep apnea is no joke.

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« Reply #19574 on: January 26, 2018, 11:55:33 AM »
Sleep apnea is scary. My husband has it and used a CPAP machine though he isn’t over weight and is relatively young. When he doesn’t sleep with it he will stop breathing for these periods of time and it is creepy.
Not to mention I have heard it kills brain cells

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #19575 on: January 26, 2018, 11:59:06 AM »
In an old building I worked in the toilets had no windows and the lights were on a motion sensor. The problem was that the only motion the sensor detected was near the entrance and the sinks. So if you sat in a stall for more than about ten seconds you were plunged into obscurity.
Haha, I totally misread you the first time.  I read: "In an old building, I worked in the toilets" instead of "In an old building I worked in, the toilets ..."

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #19576 on: January 26, 2018, 12:05:29 PM »
In an old building I worked in the toilets had no windows and the lights were on a motion sensor. The problem was that the only motion the sensor detected was near the entrance and the sinks. So if you sat in a stall for more than about ten seconds you were plunged into obscurity.

Brings some excitement to the working day!

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« Reply #19577 on: January 26, 2018, 01:10:26 PM »
First time the motion lights went out at a previous employer I was alone working after hours (newbie). Thought somebody was there in the dark screwing with me. Nope.

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« Reply #19578 on: January 27, 2018, 12:50:21 PM »
Years ago a professional employee ~50 year old woman started falling asleep at work.   Eventually bad enough that they stopped  sending her to outside audits (major part of her job).  Then she passed out at work.  Refused help when 911 arrived.  She refused to discuss her "medical problem" while management guessed sleep apnea with side of denial.

All was revealed when she was found passed out in her car with a crack pipe. 

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« Reply #19579 on: January 28, 2018, 12:41:33 AM »
First time the motion lights went out at a previous employer I was alone working after hours (newbie). Thought somebody was there in the dark screwing with me. Nope.

I got freaked out a while back when I was working late and the motion lights clicked ON in an office across the way.  I would have seen someone go in.  Probably just a ghost.

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« Reply #19580 on: January 28, 2018, 01:18:47 AM »
First time the motion lights went out at a previous employer I was alone working after hours (newbie). Thought somebody was there in the dark screwing with me. Nope.

At my previous job, office lights went out at 7pm. You could turn them back on but they were on a 30-minute timer thereafter.

I had nights there where I got up every half an hour from 7pm till I knocked off at midnight (for a "9-5" job) to turn the lights back on.

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« Reply #19581 on: January 28, 2018, 01:31:28 AM »
First time the motion lights went out at a previous employer I was alone working after hours (newbie). Thought somebody was there in the dark screwing with me. Nope.

At my previous job, office lights went out at 7pm. You could turn them back on but they were on a 30-minute timer thereafter.

I had nights there where I got up every half an hour from 7pm till I knocked off at midnight (for a "9-5" job) to turn the lights back on.

We had this shit too.  I just took a stand lamp from a conference room and plugged it in.  Nicer than fluorescent anyways, easier on the eyes

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« Reply #19582 on: January 28, 2018, 12:10:02 PM »
First time the motion lights went out at a previous employer I was alone working after hours (newbie). Thought somebody was there in the dark screwing with me. Nope.

I got freaked out a while back when I was working late and the motion lights clicked ON in an office across the way.  I would have seen someone go in.  Probably just a ghost.

Yeah - that would be even more creepy. I once took my dog with me to work.

I figured I would be there an hour or so and nobody would know and nobody would really care b/c it was an odd hour to be there.

I was sitting in my cubicle. Dog was laying in the walkway *hallway" down the center of the room. All of a sudden dog goes bonkers, usually very mellow. I about wet my pants!

Fellow engineer also coming in at odd hour to get caught up. He certainly did not expect to be challenged by an ornery (chicken) dog! We both had a big laugh about it. 

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« Reply #19583 on: January 28, 2018, 01:45:48 PM »
First time the motion lights went out at a previous employer I was alone working after hours (newbie). Thought somebody was there in the dark screwing with me. Nope.

I got freaked out a while back when I was working late and the motion lights clicked ON in an office across the way.  I would have seen someone go in.  Probably just a ghost.

Talked to a guard that told me that had been doing rounds in an office building at night. He walked on a sort of balcony, looking down on into a small atrium, and saw a cake with a knife that had been used to cut it. Sounded like the cake looked tempting to him.

The next time he walks past and look down on the cake, the kitchen knife is gone.



Turns out it was just a similar cake in an identical part of the building. He didn't say, but i would be impressed if his pants survived.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #19584 on: January 28, 2018, 07:47:08 PM »
Overheard at work today: snoring from the row or cubicles over from mine. I couldn’t quite believe it so a coworker and I checked it out and found a side asleep at his desk, headphones on in front of his monitors. We were concerned and thought about tracking the dude’s a manger down to say something. More investigation from his neighbors though turned out that this is the usual post-lunch activity.

I have a coworker who regularly falls asleep in the afternoon, often during video meetings.

I had an older employee back in the day that kept nodding off at his desk. I would get to work about 6:30 AM and he'd already be there dozing. After a few of these episodes I told him if he can't stay awake, don't come in so early and get more sleep. He said he didn't sleep well and since he was already awake he figured he might as well come in.

So I had to point out he can't expect to sleep at work "on demand" and only work an 8-hour day. He could either stay an extra half-hour to compensate for the napping, or resolve his sleeping issues at home. Oh, but then he complained that if he stayed later it would take him an extra 30 minutes to get home because the traffic would be so much heavier. No acknowledgement that sleeping on the job was reflecting very poorly on him. He just figured it was one of those "accommodate me, I have a problem" things.

I didn't know his exact age but I figured he was over 65, and after getting a briefing from HR on what I could do next, I asked him what his retirement plans were so we could have a succession plan in place. He took this as we were getting ready to fire him, and he did resign a couple months later after I called him out every time I caught him sleeping.

I later found out he was actually 71. Why was he still working at that age? Because at age 50 he sold his house and bought a new giant one (cost 4x his income AFTER he rolled over the proceeds of his previous home), and also bought a condo in Georgia that he tried desperately to rent out as a money-making venture.  Not to smart with money.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #19585 on: January 28, 2018, 08:52:12 PM »
How sad

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #19587 on: January 29, 2018, 08:47:38 AM »
I work with a lovely man in his 50s, who is a constant reminder to me of the benefits of both self-care and mustachianism. He is overweight and having some costly health issues as a result (diabetes, sleep apnea, kidney back and knee problems), resulting in running out of sick pay and no savings. He also has two early twenty-something kids who don't work and have no plans to leave home, a wife that works part time only, so he has to stay at a job he hates (the stress is killing him) to support his family. They've recently remodelled the kitchen and bought a fancy puppy, so they had to add in fences, all costing huge $$$$ and stress.

Though he dreams of leaving work, his expenses are so high that he can only look at jobs in different fields grossing over $100k (hard to do when transitioning to a new field at 50). At the moment his heart is set on a new field that pays well, but is notoriously competitive and had a 12-phase employment process- costing him time and money for a small chance of bagging a job.

He's decided to get in shape recently  (he tries this once a year or so, hopefully it'll stick this time)- he's signed himself and wife up for a food delivery system, all meals - I asked the cost- $159aud, per person, per week!! For comparison, I spend about $125per week total for 3 adults. On top of this, he still needs to feed his two adult kids. He's also joined a fancy gym near his place, $40 a week for each he and his wife.  While I want him to succeed (he badly needs to get fit, his office is next to mine, I'm worried that I'll hear a thump and find him dead on the floor one day), I just feel so bad for him, he seems so 'trapped' in his life, and just unhappy. 

While I don't love my job either, I've got a clear plan (out in 8 years with a paid off mortgage and a decent investment portfolio) and low expenses/enough savings that  if the stress got bad enough, I could quit and sustain my lifestyle with a much lower wage.

I read this and thought about a coworker I have. The problem is, almost every detail is worse for him:
-Not 50's, 63 or 64
-Overweight *and* a recovering alcoholic
-Two high-school-aged kids, both of whom have their hearts set on private college for very difficult fields (dance and music)
-Wife doesn't work at all
-Recent remodel, although thankfully no puppy
-Incredibly unhappy and frustrated with his life

In addition:
-Falling behind at being able to do his job at an increasing rate, as the role is evolving and he refuses to acknowledge the change
-Not trying to get fit at all, though at least he's still on the wagon
-Pulled his entire retirement savings out of the market and into cash ~2 years ago, because a crash was obviously imminent

It's an awful situation, and one that is motivating me to never end up there.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #19588 on: February 02, 2018, 07:41:36 AM »
I just had a conversation with my boss. She is married with one kid, makes around $40k, not sure about husband.

She's been complaining of neurological issues (headache, light headedness, vision issues) since I started 3 months ago.

She talked to a Dr and he found swelling, and refered her to a specialist.

She can't pay the $1750 upfront for the scan, so was talking about going to the ER bc then it would be billed instead of paid upfront. It would also add an additional $300.

I said she should probably do the scan. She said "what would I do anyway? Even if I am dying I want can I do, cash out my retirement? I don't have any money."

Literally the next lines out of her mouth were about going to Miami next week to get a tattoo. Overall pretty said especially considering the cost of health care, but ultimately she's making bad decisions.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #19589 on: February 02, 2018, 11:22:11 AM »
I just had a conversation with my boss. She is married with one kid, makes around $40k, not sure about husband.

She's been complaining of neurological issues (headache, light headedness, vision issues) since I started 3 months ago.

She talked to a Dr and he found swelling, and refered her to a specialist.

She can't pay the $1750 upfront for the scan, so was talking about going to the ER bc then it would be billed instead of paid upfront. It would also add an additional $300.

I said she should probably do the scan. She said "what would I do anyway? Even if I am dying I want can I do, cash out my retirement? I don't have any money."

Literally the next lines out of her mouth were about going to Miami next week to get a tattoo. Overall pretty said especially considering the cost of health care, but ultimately she's making bad decisions.

I'd recommend tourism healthcare and get some scans from a cheaper country. Sounds like something she'd be into and then at least she would have the scans.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #19590 on: February 02, 2018, 11:36:52 AM »
I'm 90% sure someone was sleeping in the bathroom the other day. No loud snoring, but definitely a distinct sleep breathing pattern and no other sound or movement in the stall. The breathing stayed the same after I flushed... I guess headphones or something?

Our work restrooms have motion detector lights that go out after some reasonable amount of time (never actually checked how long).  I went in the other day and the lights popped on but someone was in a stall.  I'm thinking they were either sleeping or need more fiber.

Usually its someone who needs to stop playing candy crush/get off their phone.

Oh yeah, lights off and someone in the stall is something that happens at my work all the time.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #19591 on: February 02, 2018, 12:15:33 PM »
Today at lunch, co-worker reveals after a recent promotion that he can't max his Roth IRA this year (he's married so I'm assuming MFJ) when the topic of IRAs comes up.

Ok, so he's making good money.

He also reveals he's not even close to maxing out his 401k (he's 36, I think he said) and that "6% is probably enough."

Smh.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #19592 on: February 02, 2018, 12:36:09 PM »
We have an internal "marketplace" chat room set up in company our chat program, that folks in our office use like a craigslist board to buy/sell stuff they're looking to get rid of.

My last company had something like this. Someone posted an ad for a "Chip & Dale dresser."
I'm guessing they mean Chippendale, not some Disney furniture.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #19593 on: February 02, 2018, 01:36:33 PM »
Getting to know you chat with a co-worker:

She was telling me about her young adult daughter (who lives with them) and how hard it is for them to get ahead.
For example, she and her husband purchased a new car for their daughter while she was in college so that the daughter could have something reliable to drive the first years out of school when she would likely not be making a lot of money; the daughter got in an accident and totaled the car, so the daughter had to take out a car loan to buy another new car because the insurance payout on the first one wasn't enough.  This is your run of the mill story, except then my co-worker said, we didn't want her saddled with a new car loan but God had other plans. 

What??!
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #19594 on: February 02, 2018, 01:43:22 PM »
Getting to know you chat with a co-worker:

She was telling me about her young adult daughter (who lives with them) and how hard it is for them to get ahead.
For example, she told me that the parents had purchased a new car for their daughter while she was in college so that the daughter could have something reliable to drive the first years out of school when she would likely not be making a lot of money; the daughter got in an accident and totaled the car, so the daughter had to take out a car loan to buy another new car because the insurance payout on the first one wasn't enough.  This is your run of the mill story, except then my co-worker said, we didn't want her saddled with a new car loan but God had other plans. 

What??!
Unfortunately, it's easier to blame something external (even supernatural) than blame yourself or your family member and actually own your fuckups.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #19595 on: February 02, 2018, 03:46:12 PM »
We have an internal "marketplace" chat room set up in company our chat program, that folks in our office use like a craigslist board to buy/sell stuff they're looking to get rid of.

My last company had something like this. Someone posted an ad for a "Chip & Dale dresser."
I'm guessing they mean Chippendale, not some Disney furniture.

Are you sure they screwed up the first word not the second? Maybe they meant "Chip & Dale dancer"  ...

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #19596 on: February 02, 2018, 04:06:56 PM »
We have an internal "marketplace" chat room set up in company our chat program, that folks in our office use like a craigslist board to buy/sell stuff they're looking to get rid of.

My last company had something like this. Someone posted an ad for a "Chip & Dale dresser."
I'm guessing they mean Chippendale, not some Disney furniture.

Are you sure they screwed up the first word not the second? Maybe they meant "Chip & Dale dancer"  ...

I think you need to ask for details, @MoMan!

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #19597 on: February 02, 2018, 05:37:06 PM »
Getting to know you chat with a co-worker:

She was telling me about her young adult daughter (who lives with them) and how hard it is for them to get ahead.
For example, she told me that the parents had purchased a new car for their daughter while she was in college so that the daughter could have something reliable to drive the first years out of school when she would likely not be making a lot of money; the daughter got in an accident and totaled the car, so the daughter had to take out a car loan to buy another new car because the insurance payout on the first one wasn't enough.  This is your run of the mill story, except then my co-worker said, we didn't want her saddled with a new car loan but God had other plans. 

What??!
Unfortunately, it's easier to blame something external (even supernatural) than blame yourself or your family member and actually own your fuckups.

Amen to that! 

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #19598 on: February 02, 2018, 08:22:45 PM »
We have an internal "marketplace" chat room set up in company our chat program, that folks in our office use like a craigslist board to buy/sell stuff they're looking to get rid of.

My last company had something like this. Someone posted an ad for a "Chip & Dale dresser."
I'm guessing they mean Chippendale, not some Disney furniture.

Hmmm.  How much are they asking?  I might be interested!
Are you sure they screwed up the first word not the second? Maybe they meant "Chip & Dale dancer"  ...

I think you need to ask for details, @MoMan!

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #19599 on: February 05, 2018, 02:10:43 PM »
I'm lucky to work for an employer that puts a percentage of salary into our retirement without requiring a match. Said employer is finally going through with switching all employees to the same payroll schedule. They've been talking about it for three years and finally one year ago said, "we're going to do it for sure in April 2018." This will mean some employees will be without a paycheck for 4 weeks. There is quite a bit of angst about this. I get it, but again, talking about it for three years and confirmed timing one year ago. There are several options to help make this process easier, including cashing out up to 80 hours of vacation (at minimum people are earning 3 weeks per year. Most people are earning 4-5 weeks per year). I've chosen to cash out vacation. My vacation accrues faster than I can take it and I can't carry over that much, so why not cash out rather than lose it, right? But since I max out my 403b and my HSA, I was concerned that if benefits came out of the vacation cash out I could over contribute for 2018. We had a large meeting about the payrool change last week, where I asked if benefits would be taken out. Today, a co-worker mentioned they were glad I asked because knowing that benefits wouldn't be taken out made them excited. That's a lot of background to tell you this story.

CW: Without the benefits coming out, the check should be bigger. It'll feel like a bonus.
Me: Sure, I guess. I'm just glad it won't effect my 403b and HSA deductions. Though it'd be okay if [employer] still put in their portion!
CW: wait, you put in more than [employer] does?
Me: yes.
CW: I didn't even know you were allowed to do that!
Me: oh... haha... yeah. (thinking: the way things are set up here, especially the last two years, you have to be actively trying to NOT know this)
CW: Not that it matters, only people like you without kids can save money! I wish we saved more.
Me: Oh, well, I'm sure it's harder to save.
CW: It's really hard to save.
CW: **next breath*** Hey, look at the iPhone X I just bought! I got my wife and [teenage] daughter one too! Gave [pre-teen] son my iPhone 7 but I'm thinking I might have to give in and get him one too.
Me: ***Facepalm***