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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16700 on: February 04, 2017, 06:16:29 PM »
I was out the first part of January and just sent in my request last week to have 100% of my pay go into my 401k (no match here so no need to drag it out).  I've been doing this for years but someone else is handling the payroll this year.   

I just got an hour and a half lecture about how this wasn't "smart" and that I could end up in financial ruin, and that he didn't want to do it for me, what if I have surprise bills to pay etc.   Tons of stories about how he tried to up his contributions to 15% a few times and ended up having to borrow on credit cards when their "eating out" wasn't in check or "the car broke down"

I repeatedly said I'm fine, I have an emergency fund for that, we have excellent health insurance through my husband. This dude was in full. on. panic. mode.  And I appreciate someone cared enough to ask but come on! 

They made me sign a waiver saying that I had been given "professional advice" that this was not a good idea and that I waived the company from any responsibility when (not if, when) I require payment on short notice if they cannot accommodate a shifting of funds that quickly.  The last guy in this role needed like 24 hour notice, to switch on or off contributions so I don't know what he deems short notice.

My boss was laughing her ass off when I got out (their offices are next to one another and he was almost screaming)  She knows I'm FI, her and her husband have similar goals.

I did something similar one year with my wife's 403B (teacher). Her school system allows up to 100% salary deferral (which is nice!) and I wanted to make sure we maxed out her contributions. The HR person was very confused. She actually said to my wife, "are you sure, you won't have enough in your paycheck to pay taxes"!!!

Last year my wife bumped her contributon to 90% to max out her 401k, near the end of the year HR wanted her to lower her contribution since there wasn't going to be enough left for taxes.  I called her HR and asked if I could pay the taxes for her, long story short in December we sent a check to my wife's company for the payroll taxes.... 

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16701 on: February 04, 2017, 07:35:00 PM »
CW1: I need help with punting
CW2: what punting?
CW1: Joined a punting club I pay $50 and itís my turn to bet soon
Me: $50 a week, fortnight or month? 
CW1: I donít knowÖ maybe a month?
Me: $50 so you gave [group of coworkers] money for gambling but you donít know what you are betting on or how often you bet?
CW1: They all take turns putting bets on things, we can bet on anything.
Me: How often do they win or how much have the won in the last year?
CW1: I donít know
Me: So basically you just hand over $50 whenever they ask and get nothing?
CW1: Ö. But its funÖ.


I dont really gamble very often (maybe like $30 a year) but the idea of this just doesnt make much sense to me

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16702 on: February 04, 2017, 07:41:10 PM »
CW1: I need help with punting
CW2: what punting?
CW1: Joined a punting club I pay $50 and itís my turn to bet soon
Me: $50 a week, fortnight or month? 
CW1: I donít knowÖ maybe a month?
Me: $50 so you gave [group of coworkers] money for gambling but you donít know what you are betting on or how often you bet?
CW1: They all take turns putting bets on things, we can bet on anything.
Me: How often do they win or how much have the won in the last year?
CW1: I donít know
Me: So basically you just hand over $50 whenever they ask and get nothing?
CW1: Ö. But its funÖ.


I dont really gamble very often (maybe like $30 a year) but the idea of this just doesnt make much sense to me

With a video lottery terminal or slot machine at least a person can listen to cheerful little tunes in the key of C, and watch lights go blinky-blinky.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16703 on: February 04, 2017, 10:41:53 PM »
My boss told me that my co-worker had called him last weekend to ask if he could get $25 out of the petty cash so he could pay his cell phone bill before it gets turned off. A few days later that co-worker proceeded to tell me that he had gone bowling that Saturday night and ate out with his family at Red Lobster. Probably a $100 night. What the actual fuck?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16704 on: February 04, 2017, 11:31:19 PM »
My boss told me that my co-worker had called him last weekend to ask if he could get $25 out of the petty cash so he could pay his cell phone bill before it gets turned off. A few days later that co-worker proceeded to tell me that he had gone bowling that Saturday night and ate out with his family at Red Lobster. Probably a $100 night. What the actual fuck?

Well, what's he supposed to do while bowling and eating at a restaurant if his phone is disconnected, actually talk with his family?  Nonsense! 

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16705 on: February 05, 2017, 12:46:07 AM »
My boss told me that my co-worker had called him last weekend to ask if he could get $25 out of the petty cash so he could pay his cell phone bill before it gets turned off. A few days later that co-worker proceeded to tell me that he had gone bowling that Saturday night and ate out with his family at Red Lobster. Probably a $100 night. What the actual fuck?

Well, what's he supposed to do while bowling and eating at a restaurant if his phone is disconnected, actually talk with his family?  Nonsense! 

I'm guessing that the night out can be paid by credit card and the phone bill not so much? Or was Friday payday? Either way, that is some awful financial management.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16706 on: February 05, 2017, 07:43:50 AM »
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What happens if the company goes bankrupt? Talk about having all your eggs in one basket.

My company has stated in writing that they could go under tomorrow and still be able to pay all the pensions for at least ten years, and I believe them.    I'm damned well sticking around until I'm 55 - I'll qualify for a pension of roughly $25,000/year until I die.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16707 on: February 05, 2017, 07:20:39 PM »
I was out the first part of January and just sent in my request last week to have 100% of my pay go into my 401k (no match here so no need to drag it out).  I've been doing this for years but someone else is handling the payroll this year.   

I just got an hour and a half lecture about how this wasn't "smart" and that I could end up in financial ruin, and that he didn't want to do it for me, what if I have surprise bills to pay etc.   Tons of stories about how he tried to up his contributions to 15% a few times and ended up having to borrow on credit cards when their "eating out" wasn't in check or "the car broke down"

I repeatedly said I'm fine, I have an emergency fund for that, we have excellent health insurance through my husband. This dude was in full. on. panic. mode.  And I appreciate someone cared enough to ask but come on! 

They made me sign a waiver saying that I had been given "professional advice" that this was not a good idea and that I waived the company from any responsibility when (not if, when) I require payment on short notice if they cannot accommodate a shifting of funds that quickly.  The last guy in this role needed like 24 hour notice, to switch on or off contributions so I don't know what he deems short notice.

My boss was laughing her ass off when I got out (their offices are next to one another and he was almost screaming)  She knows I'm FI, her and her husband have similar goals.

I did something similar one year with my wife's 403B (teacher). Her school system allows up to 100% salary deferral (which is nice!) and I wanted to make sure we maxed out her contributions. The HR person was very confused. She actually said to my wife, "are you sure, you won't have enough in your paycheck to pay taxes"!!!

Last year my wife bumped her contributon to 90% to max out her 401k, near the end of the year HR wanted her to lower her contribution since there wasn't going to be enough left for taxes.  I called her HR and asked if I could pay the taxes for her, long story short in December we sent a check to my wife's company for the payroll taxes....

403b and 401k contributions should be pre-tax, so other than social security and Medicare taxes, any deductions should only be on what is left over after the contribution.  At 90% to the 401k, 10% will be subject to federal, state, and local income taxes. After 7.65% to social security and Medicare, this leaves 2.35% for income tax withholding.  This could easily be a problem if you're in the 25% federal bracket. 85% would probably be a safer number for maxing out a 401k or 403b.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16708 on: February 06, 2017, 03:04:50 AM »
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16709 on: February 06, 2017, 04:49:34 AM »
One of my coworkers told me yesterday that his family does not grocery shop because they 'always eat out' and only make dinner at home about once a month.  He explained that this is because he and his wife have 2 kids, ages 4 and 6, and so eating out is easier since they do not have to clean up the mess the kids make.  He then said that his kids will sometimes complain "Oh, do we have to go to Carabba's again?"  He also mentioned that his daughter has trouble staying awake in school, but they just can't get her to bed any earlier because by the time they go out to dinner, get home, and do their nighttime routine it is after 9pm!  I was completely blown away that a family would think it's normal and sensible to eat out every day, but managed to mask my surprise and swallow any critical comments.  He also said they've just stopped buying groceries because they just expire before they can use them - all of them also buy lunch everyday.  How many people out there are living this way without stopping to think about how much money they're wasting??

I lived in Houston for a while, and all the restaurants were full every night - even traditionally quiet nights like Mon/Tues. My theory was the parents both have jobs to pay for the McMansion with the granite countertops and SS appliances, and loooong commuting times to the suburbs in their 2 cars/trucks (to be able to get said McMansion at a low enough price) so no time to actually shop or cook. Ironic.

Often the only appliance being used is the microwave.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16710 on: February 06, 2017, 07:43:20 AM »
That's just sad... its not living, make it as fast as possible only to spend it as fast as possible.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16711 on: February 06, 2017, 07:53:24 AM »
One of my coworkers told me yesterday that his family does not grocery shop because they 'always eat out' and only make dinner at home about once a month.  He explained that this is because he and his wife have 2 kids, ages 4 and 6, and so eating out is easier since they do not have to clean up the mess the kids make.  He then said that his kids will sometimes complain "Oh, do we have to go to Carabba's again?"  He also mentioned that his daughter has trouble staying awake in school, but they just can't get her to bed any earlier because by the time they go out to dinner, get home, and do their nighttime routine it is after 9pm!  I was completely blown away that a family would think it's normal and sensible to eat out every day, but managed to mask my surprise and swallow any critical comments.  He also said they've just stopped buying groceries because they just expire before they can use them - all of them also buy lunch everyday.  How many people out there are living this way without stopping to think about how much money they're wasting??

omg I can't even! I don't understand people who regularly keep their small children up too late. Yes I was invited to 2 super bowl parties. No I didn't go because bedtime is 7pm. Yep 7pm sorry, sleep come first.  We make very rare exceptions to drive back from family events (already in our PJ's).    Also how are those kids ever going to learn to cook????? Oy vay. This is wrong on so many levels not aligned with my values without even considering finances.

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« Reply #16712 on: February 06, 2017, 08:07:43 AM »
I always hope that somewhere along the way the child sees the situation for what it is and vows to themselves to never repeat their parents' mistakes. The kid that takes Home Economics class VERY seriously b/c they know they need that info.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16713 on: February 06, 2017, 08:15:12 AM »
One of my coworkers told me yesterday that his family does not grocery shop because they 'always eat out' and only make dinner at home about once a month.  He explained that this is because he and his wife have 2 kids, ages 4 and 6, and so eating out is easier since they do not have to clean up the mess the kids make.  He then said that his kids will sometimes complain "Oh, do we have to go to Carabba's again?"  He also mentioned that his daughter has trouble staying awake in school, but they just can't get her to bed any earlier because by the time they go out to dinner, get home, and do their nighttime routine it is after 9pm!  I was completely blown away that a family would think it's normal and sensible to eat out every day, but managed to mask my surprise and swallow any critical comments.  He also said they've just stopped buying groceries because they just expire before they can use them - all of them also buy lunch everyday.  How many people out there are living this way without stopping to think about how much money they're wasting??

omg I can't even! I don't understand people who regularly keep their small children up too late. Yes I was invited to 2 super bowl parties. No I didn't go because bedtime is 7pm. Yep 7pm sorry, sleep come first.  We make very rare exceptions to drive back from family events (already in our PJ's).    Also how are those kids ever going to learn to cook????? Oy vay. This is wrong on so many levels not aligned with my values without even considering finances.

Have you ever been to Wal-mart between like 11pm - 4am?

Tons of parents with their children. And not babies sleeping in the cart. Like, toddlers and 7 year olds walking around.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16714 on: February 06, 2017, 08:28:03 AM »

Have you ever been to Wal-mart between like 11pm - 4am?

Tons of parents with their children. And not babies sleeping in the cart. Like, toddlers and 7 year olds walking around.

ug...i used to stop at walmart on the way home from my second job sometimes (got off at 10pm). soooo many babies/toddlers/small school age children there either having meltdowns or walking around like tiny little zombies. and many were there with BOTH parents! and said parents were casually shopping, seeming to take their sweet-ass time. leave one of the parents home with the kids, sheesh.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16715 on: February 06, 2017, 08:44:54 AM »
One of my coworkers told me yesterday that his family does not grocery shop because they 'always eat out' and only make dinner at home about once a month.  He explained that this is because he and his wife have 2 kids, ages 4 and 6, and so eating out is easier since they do not have to clean up the mess the kids make.  He then said that his kids will sometimes complain "Oh, do we have to go to Carabba's again?"  He also mentioned that his daughter has trouble staying awake in school, but they just can't get her to bed any earlier because by the time they go out to dinner, get home, and do their nighttime routine it is after 9pm!  I was completely blown away that a family would think it's normal and sensible to eat out every day, but managed to mask my surprise and swallow any critical comments.  He also said they've just stopped buying groceries because they just expire before they can use them - all of them also buy lunch everyday.  How many people out there are living this way without stopping to think about how much money they're wasting??

I have 1 kid, and taking him to a restaurant is not remotely as easy as making a casserole.  Hell, baking a ham and potatoes is literally easier than making a box of mac and cheese, let alone going to a restaurant.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16716 on: February 06, 2017, 09:02:04 AM »
There is nothing more uncomfortable than sitting at a desk for hours at a time wearing pants. the human skin necessary to disguise oneself on this strange, watery planet.
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« Reply #16717 on: February 06, 2017, 09:28:22 AM »
One of my coworkers told me yesterday that his family does not grocery shop because they 'always eat out' and only make dinner at home about once a month.  He explained that this is because he and his wife have 2 kids, ages 4 and 6, and so eating out is easier since they do not have to clean up the mess the kids make.  He then said that his kids will sometimes complain "Oh, do we have to go to Carabba's again?"  He also mentioned that his daughter has trouble staying awake in school, but they just can't get her to bed any earlier because by the time they go out to dinner, get home, and do their nighttime routine it is after 9pm!  I was completely blown away that a family would think it's normal and sensible to eat out every day, but managed to mask my surprise and swallow any critical comments.  He also said they've just stopped buying groceries because they just expire before they can use them - all of them also buy lunch everyday.  How many people out there are living this way without stopping to think about how much money they're wasting??

I have 1 kid, and taking him to a restaurant is not remotely as easy as making a casserole.  Hell, baking a ham and potatoes is literally easier than making a box of mac and cheese, let alone going to a restaurant.

Not its not. Baking a  ham requires me to clean something that is big and awkward. Box of mac and cheese requires me to clean a pot that is very easy to clean.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16718 on: February 06, 2017, 09:39:19 AM »
One of my coworkers told me yesterday that his family does not grocery shop because they 'always eat out' and only make dinner at home about once a month.  He explained that this is because he and his wife have 2 kids, ages 4 and 6, and so eating out is easier since they do not have to clean up the mess the kids make.  He then said that his kids will sometimes complain "Oh, do we have to go to Carabba's again?"  He also mentioned that his daughter has trouble staying awake in school, but they just can't get her to bed any earlier because by the time they go out to dinner, get home, and do their nighttime routine it is after 9pm!  I was completely blown away that a family would think it's normal and sensible to eat out every day, but managed to mask my surprise and swallow any critical comments.  He also said they've just stopped buying groceries because they just expire before they can use them - all of them also buy lunch everyday.  How many people out there are living this way without stopping to think about how much money they're wasting??

I have 1 kid, and taking him to a restaurant is not remotely as easy as making a casserole.  Hell, baking a ham and potatoes is literally easier than making a box of mac and cheese, let alone going to a restaurant.

Not its not. Baking a  ham requires me to clean something that is big and awkward. Box of mac and cheese requires me to clean a pot that is very easy to clean.

I see your point, but I don't agree.  This may depend on our relative cookware and the average size of a ham that we buy.  But, either way, I can't imagine cooking at home is harder than taking 3 young children to a restaurant.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16719 on: February 06, 2017, 09:57:10 AM »
There is nothing more uncomfortable than sitting at a desk for hours at a time wearing pants. the human skin necessary to disguise oneself on this strange, watery planet.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16720 on: February 06, 2017, 10:22:17 AM »
omg I can't even! I don't understand people who regularly keep their small children up too late. Yes I was invited to 2 super bowl parties. No I didn't go because bedtime is 7pm. Yep 7pm sorry, sleep come first.  We make very rare exceptions to drive back from family events (already in our PJ's).    Also how are those kids ever going to learn to cook????? Oy vay. This is wrong on so many levels not aligned with my values without even considering finances.

My city's little league baseball has games scheduled to start at 7 PM for 5&6 year old TBall and older on weekday school nights.  So those games end at 8:30PM, 15 minute drive home, shower, then eat dinner at 9:30 PM.  It was not ideal, but was at least workable once school was out and my kids could eat "dinner" at 4PM and just have a light post-game snack.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16721 on: February 06, 2017, 10:29:42 AM »
omg I can't even! I don't understand people who regularly keep their small children up too late. Yes I was invited to 2 super bowl parties. No I didn't go because bedtime is 7pm. Yep 7pm sorry, sleep come first.  We make very rare exceptions to drive back from family events (already in our PJ's).    Also how are those kids ever going to learn to cook????? Oy vay. This is wrong on so many levels not aligned with my values without even considering finances.

My city's little league baseball has games scheduled to start at 7 PM for 5&6 year old TBall and older on weekday school nights.  So those games end at 8:30PM, 15 minute drive home, shower, then eat dinner at 9:30 PM.  It was not ideal, but was at least workable once school was out and my kids could eat "dinner" at 4PM and just have a light post-game snack.

Were people not pissed off about this? Did they not try and change it? I don't see how this is convenient for anyone.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16722 on: February 06, 2017, 10:32:04 AM »
omg I can't even! I don't understand people who regularly keep their small children up too late. Yes I was invited to 2 super bowl parties. No I didn't go because bedtime is 7pm. Yep 7pm sorry, sleep come first.  We make very rare exceptions to drive back from family events (already in our PJ's).    Also how are those kids ever going to learn to cook????? Oy vay. This is wrong on so many levels not aligned with my values without even considering finances.

My city's little league baseball has games scheduled to start at 7 PM for 5&6 year old TBall and older on weekday school nights.  So those games end at 8:30PM, 15 minute drive home, shower, then eat dinner at 9:30 PM.  It was not ideal, but was at least workable once school was out and my kids could eat "dinner" at 4PM and just have a light post-game snack.

Were people not pissed off about this? Did they not try and change it? I don't see how this is convenient for anyone.

We've had activities starting anywhere from 6-730PM for our 4y/o.  6 is tough, because it means leaving at 5PM on the dot or a little before, and then it's a mad rush to get to school, pick her up, get her home, change her, get her to wolf down something quick, then get back in the car and get to her activity on time.  And we (mom and dad) end up eating afterwards at about 730-8PM.  7 is a little better because we can all eat beforehand. 

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16723 on: February 06, 2017, 12:04:32 PM »
One of my coworkers told me yesterday that his family does not grocery shop because they 'always eat out' and only make dinner at home about once a month.  He explained that this is because he and his wife have 2 kids, ages 4 and 6, and so eating out is easier since they do not have to clean up the mess the kids make.  He then said that his kids will sometimes complain "Oh, do we have to go to Carabba's again?"  He also mentioned that his daughter has trouble staying awake in school, but they just can't get her to bed any earlier because by the time they go out to dinner, get home, and do their nighttime routine it is after 9pm!  I was completely blown away that a family would think it's normal and sensible to eat out every day, but managed to mask my surprise and swallow any critical comments.  He also said they've just stopped buying groceries because they just expire before they can use them - all of them also buy lunch everyday.  How many people out there are living this way without stopping to think about how much money they're wasting??

omg I can't even! I don't understand people who regularly keep their small children up too late. Yes I was invited to 2 super bowl parties. No I didn't go because bedtime is 7pm. Yep 7pm sorry, sleep come first.  We make very rare exceptions to drive back from family events (already in our PJ's).    Also how are those kids ever going to learn to cook????? Oy vay. This is wrong on so many levels not aligned with my values without even considering finances.
7 pm.  Ah, 7 pm would be glorious.  I wonder how much of this is kid personality, family style, etc.

For the most part, the people I know whose kids go to bed that early (6-7:30 pm) have a stay at home parent.  I don't know why there is the difference?  But at least in my cohort, that seems to be the case. 

We would have a very hard time with 7 pm.  We don't get home until 5:30 pm most days (that's just a regular day, not a sports day).  We don't finish dinner until 6:30 or 7 pm.  There would be no down time, play time bath time.

Neither one of my boys is a sleeper.  They are always on the low end for the age.  So, if at age 2 you should be sleeping 12-14 hours a day, they would be at 11.5 to 12. 
If at a different age, you should be sleeping 10-12, they would be at 10.

In any event, the big boy sleeps from 9 pm to 6:30 or 7 or 7:30 am (he's 10).
The little guy sleeps from 9:30 until 7:30 (he's 4).  Plus he naps at preschool, for 1 to 2.5 hours.

The naps kill me (he will go to sleep an hour earlier on weekends when he doesn't nap, important because I go to sleep at 9.)  Yesterday he fell asleep on the couch at 4, and napped for 1.5 hours.  I knew that was going to be  a mistake.  I put him to bed as normal and he was STILL AWAKE at 10:35 pm.



I do have two friends who are SAHMs with kids who stay up late. But generally, these families are night owls.  So the kids go to bed at 9 (aged 6 and 4), and the parents are up until midnight.  The entire "night" is shifted a few hours later.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16724 on: February 06, 2017, 12:36:03 PM »
My kid is 2.5 and bedtime is 7:00pm sharp, come hell or high water. She was a bad sleeper (appalling/dreadful/off-the-charts-we-stumped-the-sleep-coach bad) when younger so I am absolutely not willing to be flexible on bedtime. My husband has her in the morning and does daycare drop off while I go to work early. I leave work at 16:00 to pick her up and have dinner with her early to support this. That also leaves us time to ourselves or together as a couple in the evening after she goes to bed. I can't stress how important sleep is for everyone, especially little kids.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16725 on: February 06, 2017, 12:48:44 PM »
My kid is 4.5 and sleeps 8:30/9 to 7 every night.  She also gets an ~hour nap at school every day.  She seems perfectly happy with this amount of sleep. 

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16726 on: February 06, 2017, 01:29:55 PM »
omg I can't even! I don't understand people who regularly keep their small children up too late. Yes I was invited to 2 super bowl parties. No I didn't go because bedtime is 7pm. Yep 7pm sorry, sleep come first.  We make very rare exceptions to drive back from family events (already in our PJ's).    Also how are those kids ever going to learn to cook????? Oy vay. This is wrong on so many levels not aligned with my values without even considering finances.

My city's little league baseball has games scheduled to start at 7 PM for 5&6 year old TBall and older on weekday school nights.  So those games end at 8:30PM, 15 minute drive home, shower, then eat dinner at 9:30 PM.  It was not ideal, but was at least workable once school was out and my kids could eat "dinner" at 4PM and just have a light post-game snack.

Were people not pissed off about this? Did they not try and change it? I don't see how this is convenient for anyone.

Actually the early games start at 5:30.  I actually dislike that start time more because I have to leave work early to get to the field on time.  There are only so many fields and lots of kids, it's either do this less than optimal scheduling or only let a certain number of kids sign up.  I would rather every kid that wants to play have the opportunity than have tryouts or jack the price up to limit the number of kids.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16727 on: February 06, 2017, 01:36:09 PM »
We've had activities starting anywhere from 6-730PM for our 4y/o.  6 is tough, because it means leaving at 5PM on the dot or a little before, and then it's a mad rush to get to school, pick her up, get her home, change her, get her to wolf down something quick, then get back in the car and get to her activity on time.  And we (mom and dad) end up eating afterwards at about 730-8PM.  7 is a little better because we can all eat beforehand.

I can't imagine how people with big commutes are able to manage this...

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16728 on: February 06, 2017, 01:42:42 PM »
We've had activities starting anywhere from 6-730PM for our 4y/o.  6 is tough, because it means leaving at 5PM on the dot or a little before, and then it's a mad rush to get to school, pick her up, get her home, change her, get her to wolf down something quick, then get back in the car and get to her activity on time.  And we (mom and dad) end up eating afterwards at about 730-8PM.  7 is a little better because we can all eat beforehand.

I can't imagine how people with big commutes are able to manage this...

If we still had our long commute (we bought a house, then got jobs much further a way a few years later), we'd have to work from home, one parent go in really early and leave early, tag team it, carpool, etc. Just get creative. 

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16729 on: February 06, 2017, 01:49:38 PM »
One of my coworkers told me yesterday that his family does not grocery shop because they 'always eat out' and only make dinner at home about once a month.  He explained that this is because he and his wife have 2 kids, ages 4 and 6, and so eating out is easier since they do not have to clean up the mess the kids make.  He then said that his kids will sometimes complain "Oh, do we have to go to Carabba's again?"  He also mentioned that his daughter has trouble staying awake in school, but they just can't get her to bed any earlier because by the time they go out to dinner, get home, and do their nighttime routine it is after 9pm!  I was completely blown away that a family would think it's normal and sensible to eat out every day, but managed to mask my surprise and swallow any critical comments.  He also said they've just stopped buying groceries because they just expire before they can use them - all of them also buy lunch everyday.  How many people out there are living this way without stopping to think about how much money they're wasting??

omg I can't even! I don't understand people who regularly keep their small children up too late. Yes I was invited to 2 super bowl parties. No I didn't go because bedtime is 7pm. Yep 7pm sorry, sleep come first.  We make very rare exceptions to drive back from family events (already in our PJ's).    Also how are those kids ever going to learn to cook????? Oy vay. This is wrong on so many levels not aligned with my values without even considering finances.

Have you ever been to Wal-mart between like 11pm - 4am?

Tons of parents with their children. And not babies sleeping in the cart. Like, toddlers and 7 year olds walking around.

There's a subculture that believes it's good to get kids out of the house or apartment in the evening, or whenever else the parents are available. Sometimes they just drive around and get fast food. Other times they do errands and go grocery shopping for one or two items. The goal is to tire the kids out so that they'll fall asleep around midnight or 1 AM instead of being up late. Unless of course they're being used to aid in shoplifting. That happens sometimes too. But mostly parents are looking for a "safe" place to exercise their children because they're afraid to let them outdoors. The parks and schoolyards are overrun with druggies and also teens who have nothing to do and nowhere to go, and drunk drivers are everywhere. To the parents (many of whom were raised the same way) the malls or shopping centers are the only "safe" places.

Apparently cutting out the caffeinated beverages and sugar, or letting the little dears exercise a bit, is Just Not OK.

The worst part of it is that the kids learn either that it's OK to shoplift or that it's normal to go to the mall, the store or some similar place every single day and buy something.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16730 on: February 06, 2017, 05:38:55 PM »
CW1: I need help with punting
CW2: what punting?
CW1: Joined a punting club I pay $50 and itís my turn to bet soon
Me: $50 a week, fortnight or month? 
CW1: I donít knowÖ maybe a month?
Me: $50 so you gave [group of coworkers] money for gambling but you donít know what you are betting on or how often you bet?
CW1: They all take turns putting bets on things, we can bet on anything.
Me: How often do they win or how much have the won in the last year?
CW1: I donít know
Me: So basically you just hand over $50 whenever they ask and get nothing?
CW1: Ö. But its funÖ.


I dont really gamble very often (maybe like $30 a year) but the idea of this just doesnt make much sense to me

I would totally join this club and collect all the $50's.  I would make a bet with myself that my coworkers would never realize I just deposited all their money in my bank account.


One of my coworkers told me yesterday that his family does not grocery shop because they 'always eat out' and only make dinner at home about once a month.  He explained that this is because he and his wife have 2 kids, ages 4 and 6, and so eating out is easier since they do not have to clean up the mess the kids make.  He then said that his kids will sometimes complain "Oh, do we have to go to Carabba's again?"  He also mentioned that his daughter has trouble staying awake in school, but they just can't get her to bed any earlier because by the time they go out to dinner, get home, and do their nighttime routine it is after 9pm!  I was completely blown away that a family would think it's normal and sensible to eat out every day, but managed to mask my surprise and swallow any critical comments.  He also said they've just stopped buying groceries because they just expire before they can use them - all of them also buy lunch everyday.  How many people out there are living this way without stopping to think about how much money they're wasting??

You don't have to eat at a sit-down restaurant every night to be lazy like this, though.  My dad would just bring home a Costco pizza.  Like every night.  Problem solved (relatively) cheaply.

It wasn't healthy, but on the other hand I think I'm fine now and ended up learning to cook.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16731 on: February 06, 2017, 06:46:35 PM »
CW1: I need help with punting
CW2: what punting?
CW1: Joined a punting club I pay $50 and itís my turn to bet soon
Me: $50 a week, fortnight or month? 
CW1: I donít knowÖ maybe a month?
Me: $50 so you gave [group of coworkers] money for gambling but you donít know what you are betting on or how often you bet?
CW1: They all take turns putting bets on things, we can bet on anything.
Me: How often do they win or how much have the won in the last year?
CW1: I donít know
Me: So basically you just hand over $50 whenever they ask and get nothing?
CW1: Ö. But its funÖ.


I dont really gamble very often (maybe like $30 a year) but the idea of this just doesnt make much sense to me

I would totally join this club and collect all the $50's.  I would make a bet with myself that my coworkers would never realize I just deposited all their money in my bank account.

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It would be funny if everyone in the pool simply pocked the money when it was their turn instead of making a bet. That way everyone has fun and no one loses money (unless someone doesn't pay their share).

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16732 on: February 06, 2017, 07:00:52 PM »
One of my coworkers told me yesterday that his family does not grocery shop because they 'always eat out' and only make dinner at home about once a month.  He explained that this is because he and his wife have 2 kids, ages 4 and 6, and so eating out is easier since they do not have to clean up the mess the kids make.  He then said that his kids will sometimes complain "Oh, do we have to go to Carabba's again?"  He also mentioned that his daughter has trouble staying awake in school, but they just can't get her to bed any earlier because by the time they go out to dinner, get home, and do their nighttime routine it is after 9pm!  I was completely blown away that a family would think it's normal and sensible to eat out every day, but managed to mask my surprise and swallow any critical comments.  He also said they've just stopped buying groceries because they just expire before they can use them - all of them also buy lunch everyday.  How many people out there are living this way without stopping to think about how much money they're wasting??

omg I can't even! I don't understand people who regularly keep their small children up too late. Yes I was invited to 2 super bowl parties. No I didn't go because bedtime is 7pm. Yep 7pm sorry, sleep come first.  We make very rare exceptions to drive back from family events (already in our PJ's).    Also how are those kids ever going to learn to cook????? Oy vay. This is wrong on so many levels not aligned with my values without even considering finances.

Have you ever been to Wal-mart between like 11pm - 4am?

Tons of parents with their children. And not babies sleeping in the cart. Like, toddlers and 7 year olds walking around.

There's a subculture that believes it's good to get kids out of the house or apartment in the evening, or whenever else the parents are available. Sometimes they just drive around and get fast food. Other times they do errands and go grocery shopping for one or two items. The goal is to tire the kids out so that they'll fall asleep around midnight or 1 AM instead of being up late. Unless of course they're being used to aid in shoplifting. That happens sometimes too. But mostly parents are looking for a "safe" place to exercise their children because they're afraid to let them outdoors. The parks and schoolyards are overrun with druggies and also teens who have nothing to do and nowhere to go, and drunk drivers are everywhere. To the parents (many of whom were raised the same way) the malls or shopping centers are the only "safe" places.

Apparently cutting out the caffeinated beverages and sugar, or letting the little dears exercise a bit, is Just Not OK.

The worst part of it is that the kids learn either that it's OK to shoplift or that it's normal to go to the mall, the store or some similar place every single day and buy something.
I regularly do my shopping at big box stores at these hours - it's not some place I would desire to take my kids. I think the druggies all leave the play ground and go hang out in the parking lot of Walmart at this time.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16733 on: February 06, 2017, 07:10:23 PM »
So there's a new neighbor at work. She is house hunting. She said to a nearby contract employee - "I don't understand how someone only has 1 certain hour to show off a $600K house." My thought was why are you looking at a $600K house. I'm sure the contract employee who might be making $50K was flabbergasted. The employee speaking might make $100k. Gotta have that stupid house I guess.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16734 on: February 06, 2017, 07:15:34 PM »
One of my coworkers told me yesterday that his family does not grocery shop because they 'always eat out' and only make dinner at home about once a month.  He explained that this is because he and his wife have 2 kids, ages 4 and 6, and so eating out is easier since they do not have to clean up the mess the kids make.  He then said that his kids will sometimes complain "Oh, do we have to go to Carabba's again?"  He also mentioned that his daughter has trouble staying awake in school, but they just can't get her to bed any earlier because by the time they go out to dinner, get home, and do their nighttime routine it is after 9pm!  I was completely blown away that a family would think it's normal and sensible to eat out every day, but managed to mask my surprise and swallow any critical comments.  He also said they've just stopped buying groceries because they just expire before they can use them - all of them also buy lunch everyday.  How many people out there are living this way without stopping to think about how much money they're wasting??

omg I can't even! I don't understand people who regularly keep their small children up too late. Yes I was invited to 2 super bowl parties. No I didn't go because bedtime is 7pm. Yep 7pm sorry, sleep come first.  We make very rare exceptions to drive back from family events (already in our PJ's).    Also how are those kids ever going to learn to cook????? Oy vay. This is wrong on so many levels not aligned with my values without even considering finances.
7 pm.  Ah, 7 pm would be glorious.  I wonder how much of this is kid personality, family style, etc.

For the most part, the people I know whose kids go to bed that early (6-7:30 pm) have a stay at home parent.  I don't know why there is the difference?  But at least in my cohort, that seems to be the case. 

We would have a very hard time with 7 pm.  We don't get home until 5:30 pm most days (that's just a regular day, not a sports day).  We don't finish dinner until 6:30 or 7 pm.  There would be no down time, play time bath time.

Neither one of my boys is a sleeper.  They are always on the low end for the age.  So, if at age 2 you should be sleeping 12-14 hours a day, they would be at 11.5 to 12. 
If at a different age, you should be sleeping 10-12, they would be at 10.

In any event, the big boy sleeps from 9 pm to 6:30 or 7 or 7:30 am (he's 10).
The little guy sleeps from 9:30 until 7:30 (he's 4).  Plus he naps at preschool, for 1 to 2.5 hours.

The naps kill me (he will go to sleep an hour earlier on weekends when he doesn't nap, important because I go to sleep at 9.)  Yesterday he fell asleep on the couch at 4, and napped for 1.5 hours.  I knew that was going to be  a mistake.  I put him to bed as normal and he was STILL AWAKE at 10:35 pm.



I do have two friends who are SAHMs with kids who stay up late. But generally, these families are night owls.  So the kids go to bed at 9 (aged 6 and 4), and the parents are up until midnight.  The entire "night" is shifted a few hours later.

I realize every kid and family is different. I'm a sleeper and my kids seems to take after me.  You seem aware of what type of kid you have (not much of a sleeper) and adjust your schedule accordingly. The part that bugged me in the OP story (I guess not really 'OP' in this thread) is that the children seemed to be seeing some negative effects "trouble staying awake in school" due to the sleep schedule. If the kids were happy as a clam and doing well on that schedule I'd say more power to 'em. As I noted my values are that as a parent I should respect my child's need for sleep... whatever that need it. The people going out to eat don't seem to be doing that.

I did actually go to Walmart before my late shift the other night (10pm) and saw a bunch of very tired kids. I try very hard to have a 'mile in their shoes' type attitudes, but it's hard.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16735 on: February 06, 2017, 07:50:30 PM »
"I don't understand how someone only has 1 certain hour to show off a $600K house."

Nice little humblebrag there....

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16736 on: February 06, 2017, 09:31:20 PM »
CW1: I need help with punting
CW2: what punting?
CW1: Joined a punting club I pay $50 and itís my turn to bet soon
Me: $50 a week, fortnight or month? 
CW1: I donít knowÖ maybe a month?
Me: $50 so you gave [group of coworkers] money for gambling but you donít know what you are betting on or how often you bet?
CW1: They all take turns putting bets on things, we can bet on anything.
Me: How often do they win or how much have the won in the last year?
CW1: I donít know
Me: So basically you just hand over $50 whenever they ask and get nothing?
CW1: Ö. But its funÖ.


I dont really gamble very often (maybe like $30 a year) but the idea of this just doesnt make much sense to me

I would totally join this club and collect all the $50's.  I would make a bet with myself that my coworkers would never realize I just deposited all their money in my bank account.

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It would be funny if everyone in the pool simply pocked the money when it was their turn instead of making a bet. That way everyone has fun and no one loses money (unless someone doesn't pay their share).

haha i think the money goes into a sportsbet or something account so everyone can see the bets. I know that's how it works with the lotto club some people are members of. they have a shared lotto account and everyone can see the numbers and how much has been won

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16737 on: February 06, 2017, 09:35:38 PM »
haha i think the money goes into a sportsbet or something account so everyone can see the bets. I know that's how it works with the lotto club some people are members of. they have a shared lotto account and everyone can see the numbers and how much has been won

My dad is in a lotto club like this at his work. I keep telling him that I think it's a waste of his money, but at least since they use a similar site to count the money he knows exactly where his money is going...

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16738 on: February 07, 2017, 03:36:11 AM »
One of my coworkers told me yesterday that his family does not grocery shop because they 'always eat out' and only make dinner at home about once a month.  He explained that this is because he and his wife have 2 kids, ages 4 and 6, and so eating out is easier since they do not have to clean up the mess the kids make.  He then said that his kids will sometimes complain "Oh, do we have to go to Carabba's again?"  He also mentioned that his daughter has trouble staying awake in school, but they just can't get her to bed any earlier because by the time they go out to dinner, get home, and do their nighttime routine it is after 9pm!  I was completely blown away that a family would think it's normal and sensible to eat out every day, but managed to mask my surprise and swallow any critical comments.  He also said they've just stopped buying groceries because they just expire before they can use them - all of them also buy lunch everyday.  How many people out there are living this way without stopping to think about how much money they're wasting??

omg I can't even! I don't understand people who regularly keep their small children up too late. Yes I was invited to 2 super bowl parties. No I didn't go because bedtime is 7pm. Yep 7pm sorry, sleep come first.  We make very rare exceptions to drive back from family events (already in our PJ's).    Also how are those kids ever going to learn to cook????? Oy vay. This is wrong on so many levels not aligned with my values without even considering finances.
7 pm.  Ah, 7 pm would be glorious.  I wonder how much of this is kid personality, family style, etc.

For the most part, the people I know whose kids go to bed that early (6-7:30 pm) have a stay at home parent.  I don't know why there is the difference?  But at least in my cohort, that seems to be the case. 

We would have a very hard time with 7 pm.  We don't get home until 5:30 pm most days (that's just a regular day, not a sports day).  We don't finish dinner until 6:30 or 7 pm.  There would be no down time, play time bath time.

Neither one of my boys is a sleeper.  They are always on the low end for the age.  So, if at age 2 you should be sleeping 12-14 hours a day, they would be at 11.5 to 12. 
If at a different age, you should be sleeping 10-12, they would be at 10.

In any event, the big boy sleeps from 9 pm to 6:30 or 7 or 7:30 am (he's 10).
The little guy sleeps from 9:30 until 7:30 (he's 4).  Plus he naps at preschool, for 1 to 2.5 hours.

The naps kill me (he will go to sleep an hour earlier on weekends when he doesn't nap, important because I go to sleep at 9.)  Yesterday he fell asleep on the couch at 4, and napped for 1.5 hours.  I knew that was going to be  a mistake.  I put him to bed as normal and he was STILL AWAKE at 10:35 pm.



I do have two friends who are SAHMs with kids who stay up late. But generally, these families are night owls.  So the kids go to bed at 9 (aged 6 and 4), and the parents are up until midnight.  The entire "night" is shifted a few hours later.

I realize every kid and family is different. I'm a sleeper and my kids seems to take after me.  You seem aware of what type of kid you have (not much of a sleeper) and adjust your schedule accordingly. The part that bugged me in the OP story (I guess not really 'OP' in this thread) is that the children seemed to be seeing some negative effects "trouble staying awake in school" due to the sleep schedule. If the kids were happy as a clam and doing well on that schedule I'd say more power to 'em. As I noted my values are that as a parent I should respect my child's need for sleep... whatever that need it. The people going out to eat don't seem to be doing that.

I did actually go to Walmart before my late shift the other night (10pm) and saw a bunch of very tired kids. I try very hard to have a 'mile in their shoes' type attitudes, but it's hard.

I think some of it is cultural. I remember when I moved to Taiwan I was suprised to see so many families out late. Combine mid day naps and with a flexible view on sleep and I see families out with kids at late hours. Now when I visit the USA it feels weird to see 7-11 empty at 1AM and not see kids on the streets.

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« Reply #16739 on: February 08, 2017, 01:16:49 AM »
I think some of it is cultural. I remember when I moved to Taiwan I was suprised to see so many families out late. Combine mid day naps and with a flexible view on sleep and I see families out with kids at late hours. Now when I visit the USA it feels weird to see 7-11 empty at 1AM and not see kids on the streets.
Right? Isn't is amazing how some people think "this is the worst thing to do ever' and other cultures are 'umm... we do this all the time.'  Travel can really change one's perspectives on many topics. Proper child rearing is just one.

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« Reply #16740 on: February 08, 2017, 01:51:40 AM »
I think some of it is cultural. I remember when I moved to Taiwan I was suprised to see so many families out late. Combine mid day naps and with a flexible view on sleep and I see families out with kids at late hours. Now when I visit the USA it feels weird to see 7-11 empty at 1AM and not see kids on the streets.
Right? Isn't is amazing how some people think "this is the worst thing to do ever' and other cultures are 'umm... we do this all the time.'  Travel can really change one's perspectives on many topics. Proper child rearing is just one.

There is a book about this called 'Do Parents Matter?' by Sarah and Robert LeVine

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16741 on: February 10, 2017, 10:37:51 AM »
This thread is reminding me of how, growing up, there were two distinct dinner hours: kids (~7 pm) and parents (~9 pm), often with two completely separate dinner menus. Sometimes both of these were an hour later in the summer because of extra sunlight. 

Were I to have had kids, I would have had to do the same thing. I cannot even fathom how people want to eat dinner before 8 pm, and that is stretching it for me. Left to my own devices, I often don't even contemplate or begin cooking until about 8-8:15 pm.  Sometimes I'll try to eat earlier if I'm getting up early, but it is a struggle.

On the other hand, I am also a little surprised to see small kids out late. Aeons ago I worked at Blockbuster Video, and people would regularly bring toddlers and young grade schoolers in to rent videos right before we closed at midnight. 

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« Reply #16742 on: February 10, 2017, 10:41:03 AM »
This thread is reminding me of how, growing up, there were two distinct dinner hours: kids (~7 pm) and parents (~9 pm), often with two completely separate dinner menus. Sometimes both of these were an hour later in the summer because of extra sunlight. 

Were I to have had kids, I would have had to do the same thing. I cannot even fathom how people want to eat dinner before 8 pm, and that is stretching it for me. Left to my own devices, I often don't even contemplate or begin cooking until about 8-8:15 pm.  Sometimes I'll try to eat earlier if I'm getting up early, but it is a struggle.

On the other hand, I am also a little surprised to see small kids out late. Aeons ago I worked at Blockbuster Video, and people would regularly bring toddlers and young grade schoolers in to rent videos right before we closed at midnight.

There are some studies that have shown that eating earlier helps to keep the weight off--even with the exact same caloric input and output. So that is one reason. Another reason is that if I eat earlier, I can then make popcorn later--since getting married, my popcorn for dinner nights have drastically fallen, but I still want my damn popcorn.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16743 on: February 10, 2017, 10:53:19 AM »
This thread is reminding me of how, growing up, there were two distinct dinner hours: kids (~7 pm) and parents (~9 pm), often with two completely separate dinner menus. Sometimes both of these were an hour later in the summer because of extra sunlight. 

Were I to have had kids, I would have had to do the same thing. I cannot even fathom how people want to eat dinner before 8 pm, and that is stretching it for me. Left to my own devices, I often don't even contemplate or begin cooking until about 8-8:15 pm.  Sometimes I'll try to eat earlier if I'm getting up early, but it is a struggle.

On the other hand, I am also a little surprised to see small kids out late. Aeons ago I worked at Blockbuster Video, and people would regularly bring toddlers and young grade schoolers in to rent videos right before we closed at midnight.

There are some studies that have shown that eating earlier helps to keep the weight off--even with the exact same caloric input and output. So that is one reason. Another reason is that if I eat earlier, I can then make popcorn later--since getting married, my popcorn for dinner nights have drastically fallen, but I still want my damn popcorn.

Heh. Considering how I struggle to keep weight on, I should maybe start eating at midnight?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16744 on: February 10, 2017, 12:16:46 PM »
Today at work the IT guy was admiring my co-worker's  new Bose wireless noise canceling headphones, and asked him what they cost. My co-worker replied, "Free!" After much exclamation and questioning, he admitted they were "Best Buy 12 months same as cash, so basically free." He said he would spend $30 on something stupid every month anyway, so why not. The IT guy was very excited, and said something about how he had a student loan disbursement coming that he could use.

Unrelated and slightly off topic, but same IT guy and same co-worker:
IT Guy: Remind me to get you a new keyboard! There's HAIR growing on this thing!
Co-Worker: "Oh, no, that's okay. I like that keyboard."
IT Guy: "..."
I had tears streaming down my face from trying not to laugh, since another co-worker had made the same comment that morning.

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« Reply #16745 on: February 11, 2017, 10:45:13 AM »
Maybe the coworker likes to stroke the keyboard's fur... (ICK! ICK! ICK!)

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16746 on: February 12, 2017, 06:25:49 AM »
This thread is reminding me of how, growing up, there were two distinct dinner hours: kids (~7 pm) and parents (~9 pm), often with two completely separate dinner menus. Sometimes both of these were an hour later in the summer because of extra sunlight. 

Were I to have had kids, I would have had to do the same thing. I cannot even fathom how people want to eat dinner before 8 pm, and that is stretching it for me. Left to my own devices, I often don't even contemplate or begin cooking until about 8-8:15 pm.  Sometimes I'll try to eat earlier if I'm getting up early, but it is a struggle.

On the other hand, I am also a little surprised to see small kids out late. Aeons ago I worked at Blockbuster Video, and people would regularly bring toddlers and young grade schoolers in to rent videos right before we closed at midnight.

Ha.  Growing up, we had dinner between 5 and 6.  Bed at 9-10 (as older kids, I have no idea what bedtime was when we were little).  I went to friends' houses who ate later, like around 7:30 or 8:00 and thought it was awful and they were crazy! 

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16747 on: February 12, 2017, 08:34:14 AM »
haha i think the money goes into a sportsbet or something account so everyone can see the bets. I know that's how it works with the lotto club some people are members of. they have a shared lotto account and everyone can see the numbers and how much has been won

My dad is in a lotto club like this at his work. I keep telling him that I think it's a waste of his money, but at least since they use a similar site to count the money he knows exactly where his money is going...

Maybe Lotto clubs re Mustachian...

The some of the guys at the ol' refinery put in a buck a week to their lotto club, there are 5 of them, and one of the designers goes and buys their  5 tickets and posts it on the wall.  All winning are of course rolled over to pay for next weeks tickets.

It means everyone only plays a dollar, never more, and its ever so slightly environmentally friendly since all 5 5 tickets are on one print out instead of 5 individual ones. They do seem to spend more than a dollar's worth of billable time talking about it and planning better numbers, so maybe there are getting a good deal?

It would seem, that if you have to play the lotto, this is the most cost effective way to do it.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16748 on: February 12, 2017, 01:58:22 PM »
Anyone ever thought that perhaps all the short term choices by our government and short term thinking by some businesses leads to short term thinking by consumers? Makes it easier to encourage people to make poor choices that keeps them poor?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16749 on: February 12, 2017, 02:13:14 PM »
Anyone ever thought that perhaps all the short term choices by our government and short term thinking by some businesses leads to short term thinking by consumers? Makes it easier to encourage people to make poor choices that keeps them poor?

I think businesses make decisions on how to maximize profits and quarterly stock prices, governments make decisions based on what is easiest and can get them re-elected.  Both tend to lead to short term thinking and don't take into consideration the long term impacts.  I don't believe that anyone is sitting around a conference table and devising ways to keep people poor, even if that is the final outcome.