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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16700 on: February 03, 2017, 12:55:54 PM »
Just a general comment about vending machines at work, do the people that eat out of them not go to the grocery store or something?  Not only is it overpriced, it's unhealthy.  The guy that sits next to me eats almost exclusively eats out of the vending machine at work.  Another common "lunch" around here is a 16 oz Pepsi and a bag of chips.

And now they come with credit card swipers.  Not having a serviceable dollar bill or any loose change used to prevent people from using them. No longer a problem.
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« Reply #16701 on: February 03, 2017, 12:57:43 PM »
Not overheard....I was involved in this conversation.   My official starting date of working part-time was Feb 1, Wednesday.  I changed from salaried to hourly.  I checked with the payroll person to make sure she had the information.  Our pay period covers last week and this current week that includes my 'change' date.   I mentioned that 7 of the 10 days I would be at the salaried rate (7/10 of salary amount) and the other 3 days needed to be computed at the new hourly rate.  She said she couldn't do it that way as the payroll system didn't allow someone to be both salaried and hourly in the same period.  So I suggested that she change my salary portion to the 7/10's of the usual amount and then add the computed hourly amount as "additional pay", "bonus", or some other category that was allowed.  She said nope!  My other suggestion is to again figure the 7/10 and add the computed hourly amount making just one number.  When she has this number, then just change my 'salary' to that new number for one pay period. 

She's not doing either.  So instead, on my own, I computed what the new gross amount should be and compared it to what she is going to pay me.  Per this computation, I will not be getting paid for any hours I work over 17 hours for these 3 days.   Since I have reports to get out, etc.,  I will be OVER 17 hours.  I decided that I will cautiously add the difference to future days in half hour increments.

About 6 or 7 years ago, I did the payroll here and kinda know what could be done to make this correct.  Next payroll all my time will be at an hourly rate, so no problem with the computations going forward.

What she needs to do is run you a pay check for the pay period of Day 1-7 as a salaried employee and then a separate paycheck for pay period Day 8-10 with the new hourly profile.

I wouldn't keep quiet since her way actually harms you and forces you to misrepresent future hours. It's not your fault she doesn't understand how to use payroll software.

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« Reply #16702 on: February 03, 2017, 01:33:27 PM »

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She's not doing either.  So instead, on my own, I computed what the new gross amount should be and compared it to what she is going to pay me.  Per this computation, I will not be getting paid for any hours I work over 17 hours for these 3 days. 

If you have to work more hours than you are paid for, over the 17, that is illegal. The whole point of hourly paid work is that you get paid for every hour you work, unlike salaried where the expectation is that you may need to work over your usual schedule based on company need.

Can you tell someone: "sorry payroll didn't want to pay me more than 17 hours, so without approved overtime, I can't finish my work this week"

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16703 on: February 03, 2017, 03:33:34 PM »
They are old fashioned.  Plus, he is capable of taking care of it, but he also raises the animals, plants, harvest, etc. outside.  She is already not physically capable of those things. And even after surgery, she is forever limited by her back issues.  So naturally a lot of the lighter, interior work falls to her.  My worry is that one day sooner than they like, they will have to leave their beloved farm/land/house because they built something that will only be a stresser for them, and specifically her, because of the house maintenance and size.  I suppose they could pay someone to come in and help...although it doesn't currently seem like something they would ever want to pay someone to do.  It is just a classic case of older couple building a gorgeous house that is double or triple the size they actually need, and potentially more than they will physically be able to care for someday. 

Hence, my desire to move to something small.  Neither of us enjoy housework or maintenance (although both of us are involved in it...in case you were worried), we want less debt/expenses, if we have children it will have to be through adoption and will be down the road anyway, and we think that we could live happily in something less than 1000 sq feet, and potentially as small as 2 bedroom if there is some "flex" space like a garage or work shed for hobbies/painting.

I SOOO get this. You FINALLY build your dream house but you are too old (and possibly too poor) to enjoy it. Its kind of like that Ferrari poster some of us had on our bedroom walls. Someday when I grow up...

...and then you do grow up and realize that the Ferrari would be nice but a house might be better. Some people never figure out that we can't really afford those daydreams.

I still want that big piece of land and the nice house but we're not really keen on having the mortgage. Maybe in our next lifetime when we are born into wealth and have parents who gift us the purchase price right from the beginning. j/k

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16704 on: February 03, 2017, 04:22:28 PM »
I SOOO get this. You FINALLY build your dream house but you are too old (and possibly too poor) to enjoy it. Its kind of like that Ferrari poster some of us had on our bedroom walls. Someday when I grow up...

...and then you do grow up and realize that the Ferrari would be nice but a house might be better. Some people never figure out that we can't really afford those daydreams.

I still want that big piece of land and the nice house but we're not really keen on having the mortgage. Maybe in our next lifetime when we are born into wealth and have parents who gift us the purchase price right from the beginning. j/k

My DW struggles with this; she is frugal as well, and a worrier, and planner, so she realizes that the dream house with an orchard and self sufficient with solar power and a well and a big vegetable garden on a country lot far from public transport and medical services is probably not an ideal place to retire to as one reaches their 60s and 70s and 80s.  We have been to a few estate sales where places like that had clearly deteriorated, and we knew that our parents wouldn't have even been able to manage those in their later years.  She knows that even though we could afford it now we shouldn't get one.  But she is often sad that it will never happen now. . .

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« Reply #16705 on: February 03, 2017, 11:08:49 PM »
I SOOO get this. You FINALLY build your dream house but you are too old (and possibly too poor) to enjoy it. Its kind of like that Ferrari poster some of us had on our bedroom walls. Someday when I grow up...

...and then you do grow up and realize that the Ferrari would be nice but a house might be better. Some people never figure out that we can't really afford those daydreams.

I still want that big piece of land and the nice house but we're not really keen on having the mortgage. Maybe in our next lifetime when we are born into wealth and have parents who gift us the purchase price right from the beginning. j/k

My DW struggles with this; she is frugal as well, and a worrier, and planner, so she realizes that the dream house with an orchard and self sufficient with solar power and a well and a big vegetable garden on a country lot far from public transport and medical services is probably not an ideal place to retire to as one reaches their 60s and 70s and 80s.  We have been to a few estate sales where places like that had clearly deteriorated, and we knew that our parents wouldn't have even been able to manage those in their later years.  She knows that even though we could afford it now we shouldn't get one.  But she is often sad that it will never happen now. . .

I have hope that there are places in the world that offer somewhat of a compromise; a small house in a neighborhood that has a yard big enough for one or two fruit bearing trees + a garden, local laws that allow for chickens, sunlight for solar, and all along a public transit system line, even if it isn't very expansive. Raleigh, NC; Munich, Germany, and some other cities come to mind.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16706 on: February 04, 2017, 12:20:28 AM »
They are old fashioned.  Plus, he is capable of taking care of it, but he also raises the animals, plants, harvest, etc. outside.  She is already not physically capable of those things. And even after surgery, she is forever limited by her back issues.  So naturally a lot of the lighter, interior work falls to her.  My worry is that one day sooner than they like, they will have to leave their beloved farm/land/house because they built something that will only be a stresser for them, and specifically her, because of the house maintenance and size.  I suppose they could pay someone to come in and help...although it doesn't currently seem like something they would ever want to pay someone to do.  It is just a classic case of older couple building a gorgeous house that is double or triple the size they actually need, and potentially more than they will physically be able to care for someday. 

Hence, my desire to move to something small.  Neither of us enjoy housework or maintenance (although both of us are involved in it...in case you were worried), we want less debt/expenses, if we have children it will have to be through adoption and will be down the road anyway, and we think that we could live happily in something less than 1000 sq feet, and potentially as small as 2 bedroom if there is some "flex" space like a garage or work shed for hobbies/painting.

I SOOO get this. You FINALLY build your dream house but you are too old (and possibly too poor) to enjoy it. Its kind of like that Ferrari poster some of us had on our bedroom walls. Someday when I grow up...

I get it too. We need to recognise that just because we wanted something in the past and now have the means to get it doesn't mean that it is right for us now.

Otherwise I would spend all my money on a bag of candyfloss bigger than me. It was once my goal, but it doesn't make it the right goal for me now.

It would still make me sad if the only reason they couldn't live in their dream house was their old fashioned ideas of the woman needing to do the cleaning despite having a disabling back injury.

There seems to be an opportunity for younger, skinter, healthier people to support the older or less mobile people in exchange for cheap housing.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16707 on: February 04, 2017, 05:24:13 AM »
.....Otherwise I would spend all my money on a bag of candyfloss bigger than me. It was once my goal, but it doesn't make it the right goal for me now. .....

I had to look up candy floss [UK]=cotton candy  [US] but was unable to find anything larger than 50 g ( estimate ~1 gallon , ~ 4L) or a 12"x20", 30cm x 55cm bag.

Sorry I couldn't help your dream along.   
I would think you could get a bespoke ( custom ) bag for an insignificant fraction of you net worth :-)

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16708 on: February 04, 2017, 09:09:47 AM »
.....Otherwise I would spend all my money on a bag of candyfloss bigger than me. It was once my goal, but it doesn't make it the right goal for me now. .....
I had to look up candy floss [UK]=cotton candy  [US] but was unable to find anything larger than 50 g ( estimate ~1 gallon , ~ 4L) or a 12"x20", 30cm x 55cm bag.

Sorry I couldn't help your dream along.   
I would think you could get a bespoke ( custom ) bag for an insignificant fraction of you net worth :-)

Thank you kindly for the idea. Is it mustachian or anti-mustachian to make myself a custom bag and buy a (cotton) candy (floss) machine so that I can achieve this dream of my seven year old self?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16709 on: February 04, 2017, 10:54:47 AM »
One of my coworkers told me yesterday that his family does not grocery shop because they 'always eat out' and only make dinner at home about once a month.  He explained that this is because he and his wife have 2 kids, ages 4 and 6, and so eating out is easier since they do not have to clean up the mess the kids make.  He then said that his kids will sometimes complain "Oh, do we have to go to Carabba's again?"  He also mentioned that his daughter has trouble staying awake in school, but they just can't get her to bed any earlier because by the time they go out to dinner, get home, and do their nighttime routine it is after 9pm!  I was completely blown away that a family would think it's normal and sensible to eat out every day, but managed to mask my surprise and swallow any critical comments.  He also said they've just stopped buying groceries because they just expire before they can use them - all of them also buy lunch everyday.  How many people out there are living this way without stopping to think about how much money they're wasting??

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16710 on: February 04, 2017, 12:15:38 PM »
.....Otherwise I would spend all my money on a bag of candyfloss bigger than me. It was once my goal, but it doesn't make it the right goal for me now. .....
I had to look up candy floss [UK]=cotton candy  [US] but was unable to find anything larger than 50 g ( estimate ~1 gallon , ~ 4L) or a 12"x20", 30cm x 55cm bag.

Sorry I couldn't help your dream along.   
I would think you could get a bespoke ( custom ) bag for an insignificant fraction of you net worth :-)
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Thank you kindly for the idea. Is it mustachian or anti-mustachian to make myself a custom bag and buy a (cotton) candy (floss) machine so that I can achieve this dream of my seven year old self?

This should work for the bag., note that it is clear
http://www.homedepot.com/p/HDX-50-Gal-Extra-Large-Clear-Trash-Bags-50-Count-HDX50GC/203857728

if you need taller, cut the bottoms off and seal them together around the circumference.
box of 50 should provide some practice on sealing.

In the US, cotton candy is often sold at traveling fairs, so if you get there as they set up, you might be able to sweet talk the machine operator into filling your large bag(s) before it gets too busy.

I recuse myself on the mustachian or anti-mustachian question.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16711 on: February 04, 2017, 01:15:43 PM »
I have another story.  A different coworker of mine who has been in the same job for decades, definitely makes at least 150k per year, goes on a long vacation every year.  His wife works just because she wouldn't want to stay home fully retired all day long, but he makes considerably more than she does (and I just imagine that her take-home is low due to taxes from their combined high income), and both are in their mid-60's.  They recently took a HELOC to pay for a kitchen remodel (within the past several months), and I don't know how much they had to finance (hopefully not very much) but the cost of the remodel was well over 50k.  They booked one-stopover tickets (no direct flights from this city) for considerably more than two-stopover tickets (hundreds per ticket) would cost, probably about $700 more per ticket.  While I think it's ok to buy some nice things in life, my concern is they don't do it in moderation.

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« Reply #16712 on: February 04, 2017, 06:16:29 PM »
I was out the first part of January and just sent in my request last week to have 100% of my pay go into my 401k (no match here so no need to drag it out).  I've been doing this for years but someone else is handling the payroll this year.   

I just got an hour and a half lecture about how this wasn't "smart" and that I could end up in financial ruin, and that he didn't want to do it for me, what if I have surprise bills to pay etc.   Tons of stories about how he tried to up his contributions to 15% a few times and ended up having to borrow on credit cards when their "eating out" wasn't in check or "the car broke down"

I repeatedly said I'm fine, I have an emergency fund for that, we have excellent health insurance through my husband. This dude was in full. on. panic. mode.  And I appreciate someone cared enough to ask but come on! 

They made me sign a waiver saying that I had been given "professional advice" that this was not a good idea and that I waived the company from any responsibility when (not if, when) I require payment on short notice if they cannot accommodate a shifting of funds that quickly.  The last guy in this role needed like 24 hour notice, to switch on or off contributions so I don't know what he deems short notice.

My boss was laughing her ass off when I got out (their offices are next to one another and he was almost screaming)  She knows I'm FI, her and her husband have similar goals.

I did something similar one year with my wife's 403B (teacher). Her school system allows up to 100% salary deferral (which is nice!) and I wanted to make sure we maxed out her contributions. The HR person was very confused. She actually said to my wife, "are you sure, you won't have enough in your paycheck to pay taxes"!!!

Last year my wife bumped her contributon to 90% to max out her 401k, near the end of the year HR wanted her to lower her contribution since there wasn't going to be enough left for taxes.  I called her HR and asked if I could pay the taxes for her, long story short in December we sent a check to my wife's company for the payroll taxes.... 

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« Reply #16713 on: February 04, 2017, 07:35:00 PM »
CW1: I need help with punting
CW2: what punting?
CW1: Joined a punting club I pay $50 and itís my turn to bet soon
Me: $50 a week, fortnight or month? 
CW1: I donít knowÖ maybe a month?
Me: $50 so you gave [group of coworkers] money for gambling but you donít know what you are betting on or how often you bet?
CW1: They all take turns putting bets on things, we can bet on anything.
Me: How often do they win or how much have the won in the last year?
CW1: I donít know
Me: So basically you just hand over $50 whenever they ask and get nothing?
CW1: Ö. But its funÖ.


I dont really gamble very often (maybe like $30 a year) but the idea of this just doesnt make much sense to me

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« Reply #16714 on: February 04, 2017, 07:41:10 PM »
CW1: I need help with punting
CW2: what punting?
CW1: Joined a punting club I pay $50 and itís my turn to bet soon
Me: $50 a week, fortnight or month? 
CW1: I donít knowÖ maybe a month?
Me: $50 so you gave [group of coworkers] money for gambling but you donít know what you are betting on or how often you bet?
CW1: They all take turns putting bets on things, we can bet on anything.
Me: How often do they win or how much have the won in the last year?
CW1: I donít know
Me: So basically you just hand over $50 whenever they ask and get nothing?
CW1: Ö. But its funÖ.


I dont really gamble very often (maybe like $30 a year) but the idea of this just doesnt make much sense to me

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16715 on: February 04, 2017, 10:41:53 PM »
My boss told me that my co-worker had called him last weekend to ask if he could get $25 out of the petty cash so he could pay his cell phone bill before it gets turned off. A few days later that co-worker proceeded to tell me that he had gone bowling that Saturday night and ate out with his family at Red Lobster. Probably a $100 night. What the actual fuck?

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« Reply #16716 on: February 04, 2017, 11:31:19 PM »
My boss told me that my co-worker had called him last weekend to ask if he could get $25 out of the petty cash so he could pay his cell phone bill before it gets turned off. A few days later that co-worker proceeded to tell me that he had gone bowling that Saturday night and ate out with his family at Red Lobster. Probably a $100 night. What the actual fuck?

Well, what's he supposed to do while bowling and eating at a restaurant if his phone is disconnected, actually talk with his family?  Nonsense! 

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« Reply #16717 on: February 05, 2017, 12:46:07 AM »
My boss told me that my co-worker had called him last weekend to ask if he could get $25 out of the petty cash so he could pay his cell phone bill before it gets turned off. A few days later that co-worker proceeded to tell me that he had gone bowling that Saturday night and ate out with his family at Red Lobster. Probably a $100 night. What the actual fuck?

Well, what's he supposed to do while bowling and eating at a restaurant if his phone is disconnected, actually talk with his family?  Nonsense! 

I'm guessing that the night out can be paid by credit card and the phone bill not so much? Or was Friday payday? Either way, that is some awful financial management.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16718 on: February 05, 2017, 07:43:50 AM »
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What happens if the company goes bankrupt? Talk about having all your eggs in one basket.

My company has stated in writing that they could go under tomorrow and still be able to pay all the pensions for at least ten years, and I believe them.    I'm damned well sticking around until I'm 55 - I'll qualify for a pension of roughly $25,000/year until I die.

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« Reply #16719 on: February 05, 2017, 07:20:39 PM »
I was out the first part of January and just sent in my request last week to have 100% of my pay go into my 401k (no match here so no need to drag it out).  I've been doing this for years but someone else is handling the payroll this year.   

I just got an hour and a half lecture about how this wasn't "smart" and that I could end up in financial ruin, and that he didn't want to do it for me, what if I have surprise bills to pay etc.   Tons of stories about how he tried to up his contributions to 15% a few times and ended up having to borrow on credit cards when their "eating out" wasn't in check or "the car broke down"

I repeatedly said I'm fine, I have an emergency fund for that, we have excellent health insurance through my husband. This dude was in full. on. panic. mode.  And I appreciate someone cared enough to ask but come on! 

They made me sign a waiver saying that I had been given "professional advice" that this was not a good idea and that I waived the company from any responsibility when (not if, when) I require payment on short notice if they cannot accommodate a shifting of funds that quickly.  The last guy in this role needed like 24 hour notice, to switch on or off contributions so I don't know what he deems short notice.

My boss was laughing her ass off when I got out (their offices are next to one another and he was almost screaming)  She knows I'm FI, her and her husband have similar goals.

I did something similar one year with my wife's 403B (teacher). Her school system allows up to 100% salary deferral (which is nice!) and I wanted to make sure we maxed out her contributions. The HR person was very confused. She actually said to my wife, "are you sure, you won't have enough in your paycheck to pay taxes"!!!

Last year my wife bumped her contributon to 90% to max out her 401k, near the end of the year HR wanted her to lower her contribution since there wasn't going to be enough left for taxes.  I called her HR and asked if I could pay the taxes for her, long story short in December we sent a check to my wife's company for the payroll taxes....

403b and 401k contributions should be pre-tax, so other than social security and Medicare taxes, any deductions should only be on what is left over after the contribution.  At 90% to the 401k, 10% will be subject to federal, state, and local income taxes. After 7.65% to social security and Medicare, this leaves 2.35% for income tax withholding.  This could easily be a problem if you're in the 25% federal bracket. 85% would probably be a safer number for maxing out a 401k or 403b.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16720 on: February 06, 2017, 03:04:50 AM »
There is nothing more uncomfortable than sitting at a desk for hours at a time wearing pants. the human skin necessary to disguise oneself on this strange, watery planet.
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« Reply #16721 on: February 06, 2017, 04:49:34 AM »
One of my coworkers told me yesterday that his family does not grocery shop because they 'always eat out' and only make dinner at home about once a month.  He explained that this is because he and his wife have 2 kids, ages 4 and 6, and so eating out is easier since they do not have to clean up the mess the kids make.  He then said that his kids will sometimes complain "Oh, do we have to go to Carabba's again?"  He also mentioned that his daughter has trouble staying awake in school, but they just can't get her to bed any earlier because by the time they go out to dinner, get home, and do their nighttime routine it is after 9pm!  I was completely blown away that a family would think it's normal and sensible to eat out every day, but managed to mask my surprise and swallow any critical comments.  He also said they've just stopped buying groceries because they just expire before they can use them - all of them also buy lunch everyday.  How many people out there are living this way without stopping to think about how much money they're wasting??

I lived in Houston for a while, and all the restaurants were full every night - even traditionally quiet nights like Mon/Tues. My theory was the parents both have jobs to pay for the McMansion with the granite countertops and SS appliances, and loooong commuting times to the suburbs in their 2 cars/trucks (to be able to get said McMansion at a low enough price) so no time to actually shop or cook. Ironic.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16722 on: February 06, 2017, 07:43:20 AM »
That's just sad... its not living, make it as fast as possible only to spend it as fast as possible.

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« Reply #16723 on: February 06, 2017, 07:53:24 AM »
One of my coworkers told me yesterday that his family does not grocery shop because they 'always eat out' and only make dinner at home about once a month.  He explained that this is because he and his wife have 2 kids, ages 4 and 6, and so eating out is easier since they do not have to clean up the mess the kids make.  He then said that his kids will sometimes complain "Oh, do we have to go to Carabba's again?"  He also mentioned that his daughter has trouble staying awake in school, but they just can't get her to bed any earlier because by the time they go out to dinner, get home, and do their nighttime routine it is after 9pm!  I was completely blown away that a family would think it's normal and sensible to eat out every day, but managed to mask my surprise and swallow any critical comments.  He also said they've just stopped buying groceries because they just expire before they can use them - all of them also buy lunch everyday.  How many people out there are living this way without stopping to think about how much money they're wasting??

omg I can't even! I don't understand people who regularly keep their small children up too late. Yes I was invited to 2 super bowl parties. No I didn't go because bedtime is 7pm. Yep 7pm sorry, sleep come first.  We make very rare exceptions to drive back from family events (already in our PJ's).    Also how are those kids ever going to learn to cook????? Oy vay. This is wrong on so many levels not aligned with my values without even considering finances.

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« Reply #16724 on: February 06, 2017, 08:07:43 AM »
I always hope that somewhere along the way the child sees the situation for what it is and vows to themselves to never repeat their parents' mistakes. The kid that takes Home Economics class VERY seriously b/c they know they need that info.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16725 on: February 06, 2017, 08:15:12 AM »
One of my coworkers told me yesterday that his family does not grocery shop because they 'always eat out' and only make dinner at home about once a month.  He explained that this is because he and his wife have 2 kids, ages 4 and 6, and so eating out is easier since they do not have to clean up the mess the kids make.  He then said that his kids will sometimes complain "Oh, do we have to go to Carabba's again?"  He also mentioned that his daughter has trouble staying awake in school, but they just can't get her to bed any earlier because by the time they go out to dinner, get home, and do their nighttime routine it is after 9pm!  I was completely blown away that a family would think it's normal and sensible to eat out every day, but managed to mask my surprise and swallow any critical comments.  He also said they've just stopped buying groceries because they just expire before they can use them - all of them also buy lunch everyday.  How many people out there are living this way without stopping to think about how much money they're wasting??

omg I can't even! I don't understand people who regularly keep their small children up too late. Yes I was invited to 2 super bowl parties. No I didn't go because bedtime is 7pm. Yep 7pm sorry, sleep come first.  We make very rare exceptions to drive back from family events (already in our PJ's).    Also how are those kids ever going to learn to cook????? Oy vay. This is wrong on so many levels not aligned with my values without even considering finances.

Have you ever been to Wal-mart between like 11pm - 4am?

Tons of parents with their children. And not babies sleeping in the cart. Like, toddlers and 7 year olds walking around.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16726 on: February 06, 2017, 08:28:03 AM »

Have you ever been to Wal-mart between like 11pm - 4am?

Tons of parents with their children. And not babies sleeping in the cart. Like, toddlers and 7 year olds walking around.

ug...i used to stop at walmart on the way home from my second job sometimes (got off at 10pm). soooo many babies/toddlers/small school age children there either having meltdowns or walking around like tiny little zombies. and many were there with BOTH parents! and said parents were casually shopping, seeming to take their sweet-ass time. leave one of the parents home with the kids, sheesh.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16727 on: February 06, 2017, 08:44:54 AM »
One of my coworkers told me yesterday that his family does not grocery shop because they 'always eat out' and only make dinner at home about once a month.  He explained that this is because he and his wife have 2 kids, ages 4 and 6, and so eating out is easier since they do not have to clean up the mess the kids make.  He then said that his kids will sometimes complain "Oh, do we have to go to Carabba's again?"  He also mentioned that his daughter has trouble staying awake in school, but they just can't get her to bed any earlier because by the time they go out to dinner, get home, and do their nighttime routine it is after 9pm!  I was completely blown away that a family would think it's normal and sensible to eat out every day, but managed to mask my surprise and swallow any critical comments.  He also said they've just stopped buying groceries because they just expire before they can use them - all of them also buy lunch everyday.  How many people out there are living this way without stopping to think about how much money they're wasting??

I have 1 kid, and taking him to a restaurant is not remotely as easy as making a casserole.  Hell, baking a ham and potatoes is literally easier than making a box of mac and cheese, let alone going to a restaurant.

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« Reply #16728 on: February 06, 2017, 09:02:04 AM »
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« Reply #16729 on: February 06, 2017, 09:28:22 AM »
One of my coworkers told me yesterday that his family does not grocery shop because they 'always eat out' and only make dinner at home about once a month.  He explained that this is because he and his wife have 2 kids, ages 4 and 6, and so eating out is easier since they do not have to clean up the mess the kids make.  He then said that his kids will sometimes complain "Oh, do we have to go to Carabba's again?"  He also mentioned that his daughter has trouble staying awake in school, but they just can't get her to bed any earlier because by the time they go out to dinner, get home, and do their nighttime routine it is after 9pm!  I was completely blown away that a family would think it's normal and sensible to eat out every day, but managed to mask my surprise and swallow any critical comments.  He also said they've just stopped buying groceries because they just expire before they can use them - all of them also buy lunch everyday.  How many people out there are living this way without stopping to think about how much money they're wasting??

I have 1 kid, and taking him to a restaurant is not remotely as easy as making a casserole.  Hell, baking a ham and potatoes is literally easier than making a box of mac and cheese, let alone going to a restaurant.

Not its not. Baking a  ham requires me to clean something that is big and awkward. Box of mac and cheese requires me to clean a pot that is very easy to clean.

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« Reply #16730 on: February 06, 2017, 09:39:19 AM »
One of my coworkers told me yesterday that his family does not grocery shop because they 'always eat out' and only make dinner at home about once a month.  He explained that this is because he and his wife have 2 kids, ages 4 and 6, and so eating out is easier since they do not have to clean up the mess the kids make.  He then said that his kids will sometimes complain "Oh, do we have to go to Carabba's again?"  He also mentioned that his daughter has trouble staying awake in school, but they just can't get her to bed any earlier because by the time they go out to dinner, get home, and do their nighttime routine it is after 9pm!  I was completely blown away that a family would think it's normal and sensible to eat out every day, but managed to mask my surprise and swallow any critical comments.  He also said they've just stopped buying groceries because they just expire before they can use them - all of them also buy lunch everyday.  How many people out there are living this way without stopping to think about how much money they're wasting??

I have 1 kid, and taking him to a restaurant is not remotely as easy as making a casserole.  Hell, baking a ham and potatoes is literally easier than making a box of mac and cheese, let alone going to a restaurant.

Not its not. Baking a  ham requires me to clean something that is big and awkward. Box of mac and cheese requires me to clean a pot that is very easy to clean.

I see your point, but I don't agree.  This may depend on our relative cookware and the average size of a ham that we buy.  But, either way, I can't imagine cooking at home is harder than taking 3 young children to a restaurant.

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« Reply #16731 on: February 06, 2017, 09:57:10 AM »
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16732 on: February 06, 2017, 10:22:17 AM »
omg I can't even! I don't understand people who regularly keep their small children up too late. Yes I was invited to 2 super bowl parties. No I didn't go because bedtime is 7pm. Yep 7pm sorry, sleep come first.  We make very rare exceptions to drive back from family events (already in our PJ's).    Also how are those kids ever going to learn to cook????? Oy vay. This is wrong on so many levels not aligned with my values without even considering finances.

My city's little league baseball has games scheduled to start at 7 PM for 5&6 year old TBall and older on weekday school nights.  So those games end at 8:30PM, 15 minute drive home, shower, then eat dinner at 9:30 PM.  It was not ideal, but was at least workable once school was out and my kids could eat "dinner" at 4PM and just have a light post-game snack.

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« Reply #16733 on: February 06, 2017, 10:29:42 AM »
omg I can't even! I don't understand people who regularly keep their small children up too late. Yes I was invited to 2 super bowl parties. No I didn't go because bedtime is 7pm. Yep 7pm sorry, sleep come first.  We make very rare exceptions to drive back from family events (already in our PJ's).    Also how are those kids ever going to learn to cook????? Oy vay. This is wrong on so many levels not aligned with my values without even considering finances.

My city's little league baseball has games scheduled to start at 7 PM for 5&6 year old TBall and older on weekday school nights.  So those games end at 8:30PM, 15 minute drive home, shower, then eat dinner at 9:30 PM.  It was not ideal, but was at least workable once school was out and my kids could eat "dinner" at 4PM and just have a light post-game snack.

Were people not pissed off about this? Did they not try and change it? I don't see how this is convenient for anyone.

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« Reply #16734 on: February 06, 2017, 10:32:04 AM »
omg I can't even! I don't understand people who regularly keep their small children up too late. Yes I was invited to 2 super bowl parties. No I didn't go because bedtime is 7pm. Yep 7pm sorry, sleep come first.  We make very rare exceptions to drive back from family events (already in our PJ's).    Also how are those kids ever going to learn to cook????? Oy vay. This is wrong on so many levels not aligned with my values without even considering finances.

My city's little league baseball has games scheduled to start at 7 PM for 5&6 year old TBall and older on weekday school nights.  So those games end at 8:30PM, 15 minute drive home, shower, then eat dinner at 9:30 PM.  It was not ideal, but was at least workable once school was out and my kids could eat "dinner" at 4PM and just have a light post-game snack.

Were people not pissed off about this? Did they not try and change it? I don't see how this is convenient for anyone.

We've had activities starting anywhere from 6-730PM for our 4y/o.  6 is tough, because it means leaving at 5PM on the dot or a little before, and then it's a mad rush to get to school, pick her up, get her home, change her, get her to wolf down something quick, then get back in the car and get to her activity on time.  And we (mom and dad) end up eating afterwards at about 730-8PM.  7 is a little better because we can all eat beforehand. 
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16735 on: February 06, 2017, 12:04:32 PM »
One of my coworkers told me yesterday that his family does not grocery shop because they 'always eat out' and only make dinner at home about once a month.  He explained that this is because he and his wife have 2 kids, ages 4 and 6, and so eating out is easier since they do not have to clean up the mess the kids make.  He then said that his kids will sometimes complain "Oh, do we have to go to Carabba's again?"  He also mentioned that his daughter has trouble staying awake in school, but they just can't get her to bed any earlier because by the time they go out to dinner, get home, and do their nighttime routine it is after 9pm!  I was completely blown away that a family would think it's normal and sensible to eat out every day, but managed to mask my surprise and swallow any critical comments.  He also said they've just stopped buying groceries because they just expire before they can use them - all of them also buy lunch everyday.  How many people out there are living this way without stopping to think about how much money they're wasting??

omg I can't even! I don't understand people who regularly keep their small children up too late. Yes I was invited to 2 super bowl parties. No I didn't go because bedtime is 7pm. Yep 7pm sorry, sleep come first.  We make very rare exceptions to drive back from family events (already in our PJ's).    Also how are those kids ever going to learn to cook????? Oy vay. This is wrong on so many levels not aligned with my values without even considering finances.
7 pm.  Ah, 7 pm would be glorious.  I wonder how much of this is kid personality, family style, etc.

For the most part, the people I know whose kids go to bed that early (6-7:30 pm) have a stay at home parent.  I don't know why there is the difference?  But at least in my cohort, that seems to be the case. 

We would have a very hard time with 7 pm.  We don't get home until 5:30 pm most days (that's just a regular day, not a sports day).  We don't finish dinner until 6:30 or 7 pm.  There would be no down time, play time bath time.

Neither one of my boys is a sleeper.  They are always on the low end for the age.  So, if at age 2 you should be sleeping 12-14 hours a day, they would be at 11.5 to 12. 
If at a different age, you should be sleeping 10-12, they would be at 10.

In any event, the big boy sleeps from 9 pm to 6:30 or 7 or 7:30 am (he's 10).
The little guy sleeps from 9:30 until 7:30 (he's 4).  Plus he naps at preschool, for 1 to 2.5 hours.

The naps kill me (he will go to sleep an hour earlier on weekends when he doesn't nap, important because I go to sleep at 9.)  Yesterday he fell asleep on the couch at 4, and napped for 1.5 hours.  I knew that was going to be  a mistake.  I put him to bed as normal and he was STILL AWAKE at 10:35 pm.



I do have two friends who are SAHMs with kids who stay up late. But generally, these families are night owls.  So the kids go to bed at 9 (aged 6 and 4), and the parents are up until midnight.  The entire "night" is shifted a few hours later.

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« Reply #16736 on: February 06, 2017, 12:36:03 PM »
My kid is 2.5 and bedtime is 7:00pm sharp, come hell or high water. She was a bad sleeper (appalling/dreadful/off-the-charts-we-stumped-the-sleep-coach bad) when younger so I am absolutely not willing to be flexible on bedtime. My husband has her in the morning and does daycare drop off while I go to work early. I leave work at 16:00 to pick her up and have dinner with her early to support this. That also leaves us time to ourselves or together as a couple in the evening after she goes to bed. I can't stress how important sleep is for everyone, especially little kids.
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« Reply #16737 on: February 06, 2017, 12:48:44 PM »
My kid is 4.5 and sleeps 8:30/9 to 7 every night.  She also gets an ~hour nap at school every day.  She seems perfectly happy with this amount of sleep. 
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« Reply #16738 on: February 06, 2017, 01:29:55 PM »
omg I can't even! I don't understand people who regularly keep their small children up too late. Yes I was invited to 2 super bowl parties. No I didn't go because bedtime is 7pm. Yep 7pm sorry, sleep come first.  We make very rare exceptions to drive back from family events (already in our PJ's).    Also how are those kids ever going to learn to cook????? Oy vay. This is wrong on so many levels not aligned with my values without even considering finances.

My city's little league baseball has games scheduled to start at 7 PM for 5&6 year old TBall and older on weekday school nights.  So those games end at 8:30PM, 15 minute drive home, shower, then eat dinner at 9:30 PM.  It was not ideal, but was at least workable once school was out and my kids could eat "dinner" at 4PM and just have a light post-game snack.

Were people not pissed off about this? Did they not try and change it? I don't see how this is convenient for anyone.

Actually the early games start at 5:30.  I actually dislike that start time more because I have to leave work early to get to the field on time.  There are only so many fields and lots of kids, it's either do this less than optimal scheduling or only let a certain number of kids sign up.  I would rather every kid that wants to play have the opportunity than have tryouts or jack the price up to limit the number of kids.

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« Reply #16739 on: February 06, 2017, 01:36:09 PM »
We've had activities starting anywhere from 6-730PM for our 4y/o.  6 is tough, because it means leaving at 5PM on the dot or a little before, and then it's a mad rush to get to school, pick her up, get her home, change her, get her to wolf down something quick, then get back in the car and get to her activity on time.  And we (mom and dad) end up eating afterwards at about 730-8PM.  7 is a little better because we can all eat beforehand.

I can't imagine how people with big commutes are able to manage this...

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« Reply #16740 on: February 06, 2017, 01:42:42 PM »
We've had activities starting anywhere from 6-730PM for our 4y/o.  6 is tough, because it means leaving at 5PM on the dot or a little before, and then it's a mad rush to get to school, pick her up, get her home, change her, get her to wolf down something quick, then get back in the car and get to her activity on time.  And we (mom and dad) end up eating afterwards at about 730-8PM.  7 is a little better because we can all eat beforehand.

I can't imagine how people with big commutes are able to manage this...

If we still had our long commute (we bought a house, then got jobs much further a way a few years later), we'd have to work from home, one parent go in really early and leave early, tag team it, carpool, etc. Just get creative. 
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16741 on: February 06, 2017, 01:49:38 PM »
One of my coworkers told me yesterday that his family does not grocery shop because they 'always eat out' and only make dinner at home about once a month.  He explained that this is because he and his wife have 2 kids, ages 4 and 6, and so eating out is easier since they do not have to clean up the mess the kids make.  He then said that his kids will sometimes complain "Oh, do we have to go to Carabba's again?"  He also mentioned that his daughter has trouble staying awake in school, but they just can't get her to bed any earlier because by the time they go out to dinner, get home, and do their nighttime routine it is after 9pm!  I was completely blown away that a family would think it's normal and sensible to eat out every day, but managed to mask my surprise and swallow any critical comments.  He also said they've just stopped buying groceries because they just expire before they can use them - all of them also buy lunch everyday.  How many people out there are living this way without stopping to think about how much money they're wasting??

omg I can't even! I don't understand people who regularly keep their small children up too late. Yes I was invited to 2 super bowl parties. No I didn't go because bedtime is 7pm. Yep 7pm sorry, sleep come first.  We make very rare exceptions to drive back from family events (already in our PJ's).    Also how are those kids ever going to learn to cook????? Oy vay. This is wrong on so many levels not aligned with my values without even considering finances.

Have you ever been to Wal-mart between like 11pm - 4am?

Tons of parents with their children. And not babies sleeping in the cart. Like, toddlers and 7 year olds walking around.

There's a subculture that believes it's good to get kids out of the house or apartment in the evening, or whenever else the parents are available. Sometimes they just drive around and get fast food. Other times they do errands and go grocery shopping for one or two items. The goal is to tire the kids out so that they'll fall asleep around midnight or 1 AM instead of being up late. Unless of course they're being used to aid in shoplifting. That happens sometimes too. But mostly parents are looking for a "safe" place to exercise their children because they're afraid to let them outdoors. The parks and schoolyards are overrun with druggies and also teens who have nothing to do and nowhere to go, and drunk drivers are everywhere. To the parents (many of whom were raised the same way) the malls or shopping centers are the only "safe" places.

Apparently cutting out the caffeinated beverages and sugar, or letting the little dears exercise a bit, is Just Not OK.

The worst part of it is that the kids learn either that it's OK to shoplift or that it's normal to go to the mall, the store or some similar place every single day and buy something.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16742 on: February 06, 2017, 05:38:55 PM »
CW1: I need help with punting
CW2: what punting?
CW1: Joined a punting club I pay $50 and itís my turn to bet soon
Me: $50 a week, fortnight or month? 
CW1: I donít knowÖ maybe a month?
Me: $50 so you gave [group of coworkers] money for gambling but you donít know what you are betting on or how often you bet?
CW1: They all take turns putting bets on things, we can bet on anything.
Me: How often do they win or how much have the won in the last year?
CW1: I donít know
Me: So basically you just hand over $50 whenever they ask and get nothing?
CW1: Ö. But its funÖ.


I dont really gamble very often (maybe like $30 a year) but the idea of this just doesnt make much sense to me

I would totally join this club and collect all the $50's.  I would make a bet with myself that my coworkers would never realize I just deposited all their money in my bank account.


One of my coworkers told me yesterday that his family does not grocery shop because they 'always eat out' and only make dinner at home about once a month.  He explained that this is because he and his wife have 2 kids, ages 4 and 6, and so eating out is easier since they do not have to clean up the mess the kids make.  He then said that his kids will sometimes complain "Oh, do we have to go to Carabba's again?"  He also mentioned that his daughter has trouble staying awake in school, but they just can't get her to bed any earlier because by the time they go out to dinner, get home, and do their nighttime routine it is after 9pm!  I was completely blown away that a family would think it's normal and sensible to eat out every day, but managed to mask my surprise and swallow any critical comments.  He also said they've just stopped buying groceries because they just expire before they can use them - all of them also buy lunch everyday.  How many people out there are living this way without stopping to think about how much money they're wasting??

You don't have to eat at a sit-down restaurant every night to be lazy like this, though.  My dad would just bring home a Costco pizza.  Like every night.  Problem solved (relatively) cheaply.

It wasn't healthy, but on the other hand I think I'm fine now and ended up learning to cook.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16743 on: February 06, 2017, 06:46:35 PM »
CW1: I need help with punting
CW2: what punting?
CW1: Joined a punting club I pay $50 and itís my turn to bet soon
Me: $50 a week, fortnight or month? 
CW1: I donít knowÖ maybe a month?
Me: $50 so you gave [group of coworkers] money for gambling but you donít know what you are betting on or how often you bet?
CW1: They all take turns putting bets on things, we can bet on anything.
Me: How often do they win or how much have the won in the last year?
CW1: I donít know
Me: So basically you just hand over $50 whenever they ask and get nothing?
CW1: Ö. But its funÖ.


I dont really gamble very often (maybe like $30 a year) but the idea of this just doesnt make much sense to me

I would totally join this club and collect all the $50's.  I would make a bet with myself that my coworkers would never realize I just deposited all their money in my bank account.

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« Reply #16744 on: February 06, 2017, 07:00:52 PM »
One of my coworkers told me yesterday that his family does not grocery shop because they 'always eat out' and only make dinner at home about once a month.  He explained that this is because he and his wife have 2 kids, ages 4 and 6, and so eating out is easier since they do not have to clean up the mess the kids make.  He then said that his kids will sometimes complain "Oh, do we have to go to Carabba's again?"  He also mentioned that his daughter has trouble staying awake in school, but they just can't get her to bed any earlier because by the time they go out to dinner, get home, and do their nighttime routine it is after 9pm!  I was completely blown away that a family would think it's normal and sensible to eat out every day, but managed to mask my surprise and swallow any critical comments.  He also said they've just stopped buying groceries because they just expire before they can use them - all of them also buy lunch everyday.  How many people out there are living this way without stopping to think about how much money they're wasting??

omg I can't even! I don't understand people who regularly keep their small children up too late. Yes I was invited to 2 super bowl parties. No I didn't go because bedtime is 7pm. Yep 7pm sorry, sleep come first.  We make very rare exceptions to drive back from family events (already in our PJ's).    Also how are those kids ever going to learn to cook????? Oy vay. This is wrong on so many levels not aligned with my values without even considering finances.

Have you ever been to Wal-mart between like 11pm - 4am?

Tons of parents with their children. And not babies sleeping in the cart. Like, toddlers and 7 year olds walking around.

There's a subculture that believes it's good to get kids out of the house or apartment in the evening, or whenever else the parents are available. Sometimes they just drive around and get fast food. Other times they do errands and go grocery shopping for one or two items. The goal is to tire the kids out so that they'll fall asleep around midnight or 1 AM instead of being up late. Unless of course they're being used to aid in shoplifting. That happens sometimes too. But mostly parents are looking for a "safe" place to exercise their children because they're afraid to let them outdoors. The parks and schoolyards are overrun with druggies and also teens who have nothing to do and nowhere to go, and drunk drivers are everywhere. To the parents (many of whom were raised the same way) the malls or shopping centers are the only "safe" places.

Apparently cutting out the caffeinated beverages and sugar, or letting the little dears exercise a bit, is Just Not OK.

The worst part of it is that the kids learn either that it's OK to shoplift or that it's normal to go to the mall, the store or some similar place every single day and buy something.
I regularly do my shopping at big box stores at these hours - it's not some place I would desire to take my kids. I think the druggies all leave the play ground and go hang out in the parking lot of Walmart at this time.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16745 on: February 06, 2017, 07:10:23 PM »
So there's a new neighbor at work. She is house hunting. She said to a nearby contract employee - "I don't understand how someone only has 1 certain hour to show off a $600K house." My thought was why are you looking at a $600K house. I'm sure the contract employee who might be making $50K was flabbergasted. The employee speaking might make $100k. Gotta have that stupid house I guess.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16746 on: February 06, 2017, 07:15:34 PM »
One of my coworkers told me yesterday that his family does not grocery shop because they 'always eat out' and only make dinner at home about once a month.  He explained that this is because he and his wife have 2 kids, ages 4 and 6, and so eating out is easier since they do not have to clean up the mess the kids make.  He then said that his kids will sometimes complain "Oh, do we have to go to Carabba's again?"  He also mentioned that his daughter has trouble staying awake in school, but they just can't get her to bed any earlier because by the time they go out to dinner, get home, and do their nighttime routine it is after 9pm!  I was completely blown away that a family would think it's normal and sensible to eat out every day, but managed to mask my surprise and swallow any critical comments.  He also said they've just stopped buying groceries because they just expire before they can use them - all of them also buy lunch everyday.  How many people out there are living this way without stopping to think about how much money they're wasting??

omg I can't even! I don't understand people who regularly keep their small children up too late. Yes I was invited to 2 super bowl parties. No I didn't go because bedtime is 7pm. Yep 7pm sorry, sleep come first.  We make very rare exceptions to drive back from family events (already in our PJ's).    Also how are those kids ever going to learn to cook????? Oy vay. This is wrong on so many levels not aligned with my values without even considering finances.
7 pm.  Ah, 7 pm would be glorious.  I wonder how much of this is kid personality, family style, etc.

For the most part, the people I know whose kids go to bed that early (6-7:30 pm) have a stay at home parent.  I don't know why there is the difference?  But at least in my cohort, that seems to be the case. 

We would have a very hard time with 7 pm.  We don't get home until 5:30 pm most days (that's just a regular day, not a sports day).  We don't finish dinner until 6:30 or 7 pm.  There would be no down time, play time bath time.

Neither one of my boys is a sleeper.  They are always on the low end for the age.  So, if at age 2 you should be sleeping 12-14 hours a day, they would be at 11.5 to 12. 
If at a different age, you should be sleeping 10-12, they would be at 10.

In any event, the big boy sleeps from 9 pm to 6:30 or 7 or 7:30 am (he's 10).
The little guy sleeps from 9:30 until 7:30 (he's 4).  Plus he naps at preschool, for 1 to 2.5 hours.

The naps kill me (he will go to sleep an hour earlier on weekends when he doesn't nap, important because I go to sleep at 9.)  Yesterday he fell asleep on the couch at 4, and napped for 1.5 hours.  I knew that was going to be  a mistake.  I put him to bed as normal and he was STILL AWAKE at 10:35 pm.



I do have two friends who are SAHMs with kids who stay up late. But generally, these families are night owls.  So the kids go to bed at 9 (aged 6 and 4), and the parents are up until midnight.  The entire "night" is shifted a few hours later.

I realize every kid and family is different. I'm a sleeper and my kids seems to take after me.  You seem aware of what type of kid you have (not much of a sleeper) and adjust your schedule accordingly. The part that bugged me in the OP story (I guess not really 'OP' in this thread) is that the children seemed to be seeing some negative effects "trouble staying awake in school" due to the sleep schedule. If the kids were happy as a clam and doing well on that schedule I'd say more power to 'em. As I noted my values are that as a parent I should respect my child's need for sleep... whatever that need it. The people going out to eat don't seem to be doing that.

I did actually go to Walmart before my late shift the other night (10pm) and saw a bunch of very tired kids. I try very hard to have a 'mile in their shoes' type attitudes, but it's hard.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16747 on: February 06, 2017, 07:50:30 PM »
"I don't understand how someone only has 1 certain hour to show off a $600K house."

Nice little humblebrag there....

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16748 on: February 06, 2017, 09:31:20 PM »
CW1: I need help with punting
CW2: what punting?
CW1: Joined a punting club I pay $50 and itís my turn to bet soon
Me: $50 a week, fortnight or month? 
CW1: I donít knowÖ maybe a month?
Me: $50 so you gave [group of coworkers] money for gambling but you donít know what you are betting on or how often you bet?
CW1: They all take turns putting bets on things, we can bet on anything.
Me: How often do they win or how much have the won in the last year?
CW1: I donít know
Me: So basically you just hand over $50 whenever they ask and get nothing?
CW1: Ö. But its funÖ.


I dont really gamble very often (maybe like $30 a year) but the idea of this just doesnt make much sense to me

I would totally join this club and collect all the $50's.  I would make a bet with myself that my coworkers would never realize I just deposited all their money in my bank account.

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It would be funny if everyone in the pool simply pocked the money when it was their turn instead of making a bet. That way everyone has fun and no one loses money (unless someone doesn't pay their share).

haha i think the money goes into a sportsbet or something account so everyone can see the bets. I know that's how it works with the lotto club some people are members of. they have a shared lotto account and everyone can see the numbers and how much has been won

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16749 on: February 06, 2017, 09:35:38 PM »
haha i think the money goes into a sportsbet or something account so everyone can see the bets. I know that's how it works with the lotto club some people are members of. they have a shared lotto account and everyone can see the numbers and how much has been won

My dad is in a lotto club like this at his work. I keep telling him that I think it's a waste of his money, but at least since they use a similar site to count the money he knows exactly where his money is going...
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