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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16650 on: January 24, 2017, 09:00:34 PM »
Did you ever look into buying a cutting board (or two) that fits over your stovetop and/or sink? They're cheap, and give you some extra counter space.

I have a rule in my house.  Nothing gets stored on a stovetop or in the oven that will burn.  Ever.

Just like you automate your savings so you don't forget to save, you set up routines that keep you from burning down the house.   FYI - a cat CAN turn on the burners on top of the stove.

Now, a cutting board over the sink, that's a good idea!

I like this, just shared with the wife and we're implementing.  I don't think we ever have, but now it's a conscious decision we're aware of.  Thanks!
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16651 on: January 25, 2017, 12:04:30 AM »
Did you ever look into buying a cutting board (or two) that fits over your stovetop and/or sink? They're cheap, and give you some extra counter space.

I have a rule in my house.  Nothing gets stored on a stovetop or in the oven that will burn.  Ever.

Just like you automate your savings so you don't forget to save, you set up routines that keep you from burning down the house.   FYI - a cat CAN turn on the burners on top of the stove.

Now, a cutting board over the sink, that's a good idea!

I actually turned the cut-out pieces of countertop from my sinkwells into cutting boards. They're awesome, and would have been thrown away anyway.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16652 on: January 25, 2017, 01:28:54 AM »
Did you ever look into buying a cutting board (or two) that fits over your stovetop and/or sink? They're cheap, and give you some extra counter space.

I have a rule in my house.  Nothing gets stored on a stovetop or in the oven that will burn.  Ever.

Just like you automate your savings so you don't forget to save, you set up routines that keep you from burning down the house.   FYI - a cat CAN turn on the burners on top of the stove.

Now, a cutting board over the sink, that's a good idea!

Here in Norway kitchens traditionally often had a cutting board right under the counter, that they can pull out like a drawer. Like this:
http://www.imgrum.net/media/1199383242750159697_40867937

This is the modern version of it, a separate board that fits on top of a drawer:
http://fossline.no/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/fjoel_paa_skuff.jpg

My friend uses a board like this to cut bread. I imagine that the access crumbs end up in the drawer.

I think people generally store too much stuff on their counter. But maybe that is because they have too little room in the cupboards.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16653 on: January 25, 2017, 05:37:04 AM »
Is your employer the government?   i could tell you stories about disappearing DB plans in industry...

Yes, but that is no guarantee of anything.  The point is that it's foolish to depend solely on your pension, even if you don't plan to FIRE.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16654 on: January 25, 2017, 05:53:02 AM »
Did you ever look into buying a cutting board (or two) that fits over your stovetop and/or sink? They're cheap, and give you some extra counter space.

I have a rule in my house.  Nothing gets stored on a stovetop or in the oven that will burn.  Ever.

Just like you automate your savings so you don't forget to save, you set up routines that keep you from burning down the house.  FYI - a cat CAN turn on the burners on top of the stove.

Now, a cutting board over the sink, that's a good idea!

I've mentioned it here in the past. I had a young guy working for me who lost his home in similar circumstances. He and his new bride were heading down the street to grab some pizza on a Friday night. They had a dog who had a bad habit of tearing the garbage up, so they put the can on the kitchen counter. They returned to a fully engulfed townhouse, surrounded by a real circus of emergency responders. The dog was rescued and the fire marshall quickly determined that the dog had been on the counter, enjoying the garbage that he spilled all over the stove, and managed to turn the stove on.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16655 on: January 25, 2017, 07:01:13 AM »
Did you ever look into buying a cutting board (or two) that fits over your stovetop and/or sink? They're cheap, and give you some extra counter space.

I have a rule in my house.  Nothing gets stored on a stovetop or in the oven that will burn.  Ever.

Just like you automate your savings so you don't forget to save, you set up routines that keep you from burning down the house.  FYI - a cat CAN turn on the burners on top of the stove.

Now, a cutting board over the sink, that's a good idea!

I've mentioned it here in the past. I had a young guy working for me who lost his home in similar circumstances. He and his new bride were heading down the street to grab some pizza on a Friday night. They had a dog who had a bad habit of tearing the garbage up, so they put the can on the kitchen counter. They returned to a fully engulfed townhouse, surrounded by a real circus of emergency responders. The dog was rescued and the fire marshall quickly determined that the dog had been on the counter, enjoying the garbage that he spilled all over the stove, and managed to turn the stove on.

Another reason to love my wheelchair-accessible stove, then: no pet induced drama. The dials are on the front, so you don't have to reach across burners to get to them. Since I do a lot of canning, I appreciate not having the knobs get in the way of vats of boiling water and vinegar.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16656 on: January 25, 2017, 07:04:57 AM »
But you have to be careful about little kids turning the knobs. Not a problem as I recall from your stories.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16657 on: January 25, 2017, 08:03:15 AM »
Did you ever look into buying a cutting board (or two) that fits over your stovetop and/or sink? They're cheap, and give you some extra counter space.

I have a rule in my house.  Nothing gets stored on a stovetop or in the oven that will burn.  Ever.

Just like you automate your savings so you don't forget to save, you set up routines that keep you from burning down the house.  FYI - a cat CAN turn on the burners on top of the stove.

Now, a cutting board over the sink, that's a good idea!

I've mentioned it here in the past. I had a young guy working for me who lost his home in similar circumstances. He and his new bride were heading down the street to grab some pizza on a Friday night. They had a dog who had a bad habit of tearing the garbage up, so they put the can on the kitchen counter. They returned to a fully engulfed townhouse, surrounded by a real circus of emergency responders. The dog was rescued and the fire marshall quickly determined that the dog had been on the counter, enjoying the garbage that he spilled all over the stove, and managed to turn the stove on.

Another reason to love my wheelchair-accessible stove, then: no pet induced drama. The dials are on the front, so you don't have to reach across burners to get to them. Since I do a lot of canning, I appreciate not having the knobs get in the way of vats of boiling water and vinegar.
LOL, the dog was able to burn the place to the ground, since it WAS a front control unit. Full disclosure however, it was one of those "back in the day" units that had push buttons instead of knobs. I recently paid for an ADA accessible stove for a family friend who had added an inlaw suite for his disabled sibling. I was pleasantly surprised to discover that it was reasonably priced, since my wife is disabled and there are certain sectors of the ADA market who delight in screwing their customers with horrendous overpricing.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16658 on: January 25, 2017, 08:10:59 AM »
Defined contribution retirement plans are the single largest boost to early retirement.

It cracks me up when people here moan about how defined benefit pensions have been gutted. They were always a terrible deal for the enterprising worker.

It has it's benefits and drawbacks.  Pulling 60% of your salary for life starting at age 55 isn't so bad.  Some might even argue that 55 IS RE.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16659 on: January 25, 2017, 09:18:40 AM »
Defined contribution retirement plans are the single largest boost to early retirement.

It cracks me up when people here moan about how defined benefit pensions have been gutted. They were always a terrible deal for the enterprising worker.

It has it's benefits and drawbacks.  Pulling 60% of your salary for life starting at age 55 isn't so bad.  Some might even argue that 55 IS RE.
It is if you have to stay in the same company for 30 or more years.  In my industry in the 80's (when pensions were still a thing locally) people job hopped a lot.  Companies would lay off after a contract ended, or companies were created just for a specific contract (and therefore close it when the contract was over).  And people would follow contracts, as they were awarded to the next company.  Even then, if you didn't job hop, your salary would stagnate, so your salary at 55 is much lower. 

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16660 on: January 25, 2017, 11:01:29 AM »
I prepare food in the 2 ft x 2 ft space between my stove and sink. Much of which is taken up by an Instant Pot. It is incredibly frustrating, and I don't begrudge anyone who prefers not to deal with it.

That sounds maddening.  Could you get a little rolling cart or small table for the Instant Pot?  We have a little rolling cart that stores the dried beans and DBF's coffee things.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16661 on: January 25, 2017, 11:06:12 AM »
I prepare food in the 2 ft x 2 ft space between my stove and sink. Much of which is taken up by an Instant Pot. It is incredibly frustrating, and I don't begrudge anyone who prefers not to deal with it.

That sounds maddening.  Could you get a little rolling cart or small table for the Instant Pot?  We have a little rolling cart that stores the dried beans and DBF's coffee things.

Could you install a shelf and put the instant pot there?  Take the insert down and fill it, and just leave the machine there?  I did that at one apartment with the toaster oven to save counter space.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16662 on: January 25, 2017, 11:06:29 AM »
I prepare food in the 2 ft x 2 ft space between my stove and sink. Much of which is taken up by an Instant Pot. It is incredibly frustrating, and I don't begrudge anyone who prefers not to deal with it.

That sounds maddening.  Could you get a little rolling cart or small table for the Instant Pot?  We have a little rolling cart that stores the dried beans and DBF's coffee things.

If the ceiling isn't too high, have you considered getting or making a rack that allows you to suspend pots, pans and other larger items from it? I've known people who have done this over the sink or over the counter area. I don't recommend putting them over your stove because they will get filthy from the spatters that happen when food gets cooked.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16663 on: January 25, 2017, 11:17:43 AM »
I prepare food in the 2 ft x 2 ft space between my stove and sink. Much of which is taken up by an Instant Pot. It is incredibly frustrating, and I don't begrudge anyone who prefers not to deal with it.

That sounds maddening.  Could you get a little rolling cart or small table for the Instant Pot?  We have a little rolling cart that stores the dried beans and DBF's coffee things.

If the ceiling isn't too high, have you considered getting or making a rack that allows you to suspend pots, pans and other larger items from it? I've known people who have done this over the sink or over the counter area. I don't recommend putting them over your stove because they will get filthy from the spatters that happen when food gets cooked.

I'm in the same situation. About 16"x24" but I use the instant pot on the floor.

Maybe we need a tiny kitchen thread.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16664 on: January 25, 2017, 11:25:34 AM »
I prepare food in the 2 ft x 2 ft space between my stove and sink. Much of which is taken up by an Instant Pot. It is incredibly frustrating, and I don't begrudge anyone who prefers not to deal with it.

That sounds maddening.  Could you get a little rolling cart or small table for the Instant Pot?  We have a little rolling cart that stores the dried beans and DBF's coffee things.

If the ceiling isn't too high, have you considered getting or making a rack that allows you to suspend pots, pans and other larger items from it? I've known people who have done this over the sink or over the counter area. I don't recommend putting them over your stove because they will get filthy from the spatters that happen when food gets cooked.

Man I hate those things, and things hanging from the ceiling in general. My family is short, with me being the only (mild, 6'1) exception. I have to bob and weave whenever I go home.  I'm not sure how they even make sense for a short person. If they're high enough so you won't run into them when leaning over a counter/stove, doesn't that make them a pain to reach?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16665 on: January 25, 2017, 11:27:21 AM »
Defined contribution retirement plans are the single largest boost to early retirement.

It cracks me up when people here moan about how defined benefit pensions have been gutted. They were always a terrible deal for the enterprising worker.

It has it's benefits and drawbacks.  Pulling 60% of your salary for life starting at age 55 isn't so bad.  Some might even argue that 55 IS RE.

My husband has a government pension we're banking on.  His will allow him to retire at 53. Benefits for life, plus access to medical insurance. I have 2 pension plans I'm vested in, along with 403B.  Every little bit helps.  Of course, like lots of folks, we really didn't start thinking about retirement until it was too, too late to get much of a jump start on it.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16666 on: January 25, 2017, 11:34:05 AM »
I prepare food in the 2 ft x 2 ft space between my stove and sink. Much of which is taken up by an Instant Pot. It is incredibly frustrating, and I don't begrudge anyone who prefers not to deal with it.

That sounds maddening.  Could you get a little rolling cart or small table for the Instant Pot?  We have a little rolling cart that stores the dried beans and DBF's coffee things.

If the ceiling isn't too high, have you considered getting or making a rack that allows you to suspend pots, pans and other larger items from it? I've known people who have done this over the sink or over the counter area. I don't recommend putting them over your stove because they will get filthy from the spatters that happen when food gets cooked.

I'm in the same situation. About 16"x24" but I use the instant pot on the floor.

Maybe we need a tiny kitchen thread.

I think we do need a tiny kitchen thread. Mine is a typical small apartment kitchen but I have SO MUCH STUFF. I put a ton of nails in my walls just to hang measuring cups, spoons, and spatulas/large spoons. Also, I have a large spice rack over the laundry door with 50+ spices and a few extra bottles of things. The pantry is tiny, four shelves 1 ft x 2 ft in size. Stuff on top of stuff! With a bread machine, waffle maker, giant blender, and toaster oven being out most of the time there is very little space to work with. I store my large amounts of rice, flour, and oil in the laundry room that is right next to the kitchen.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16667 on: January 25, 2017, 11:52:00 AM »
I prepare food in the 2 ft x 2 ft space between my stove and sink. Much of which is taken up by an Instant Pot. It is incredibly frustrating, and I don't begrudge anyone who prefers not to deal with it.

That sounds maddening.  Could you get a little rolling cart or small table for the Instant Pot?  We have a little rolling cart that stores the dried beans and DBF's coffee things.

If the ceiling isn't too high, have you considered getting or making a rack that allows you to suspend pots, pans and other larger items from it? I've known people who have done this over the sink or over the counter area. I don't recommend putting them over your stove because they will get filthy from the spatters that happen when food gets cooked.

I'm in the same situation. About 16"x24" but I use the instant pot on the floor.

Maybe we need a tiny kitchen thread.

I think we do need a tiny kitchen thread. Mine is a typical small apartment kitchen but I have SO MUCH STUFF. I put a ton of nails in my walls just to hang measuring cups, spoons, and spatulas/large spoons. Also, I have a large spice rack over the laundry door with 50+ spices and a few extra bottles of things. The pantry is tiny, four shelves 1 ft x 2 ft in size. Stuff on top of stuff! With a bread machine, waffle maker, giant blender, and toaster oven being out most of the time there is very little space to work with. I store my large amounts of rice, flour, and oil in the laundry room that is right next to the kitchen.
I'll join you all in your tiny kitchen thread if it gets going! I've also got a tiny kitchen and try to squeeze all I can into it while still leaving some counter space left. I've found that using Ikea-style shelving thats made of several long thin steel bars, we can put S-hooks under these and store all of our pots, pans, strainers, utensils, etc on them in an easy-to-reach space.
We also have a shelf just outside the kitchen that stores our slow cooker, pressure cooker, coffee maker, rice cooker, mixer, blender, bread maker, and soda stream, with all our Ball jars up top. This way when we are finished using the cookers (even if the inner pots/crocks are dirty) we put the big hulk back on the shelf to reclaim our counter space once more. Sorry for foam.

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Re: Overheard at Work
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« Reply #16669 on: January 25, 2017, 12:47:08 PM »
I prepare food in the 2 ft x 2 ft space between my stove and sink. Much of which is taken up by an Instant Pot. It is incredibly frustrating, and I don't begrudge anyone who prefers not to deal with it.

That sounds maddening.  Could you get a little rolling cart or small table for the Instant Pot?  We have a little rolling cart that stores the dried beans and DBF's coffee things.

If the ceiling isn't too high, have you considered getting or making a rack that allows you to suspend pots, pans and other larger items from it? I've known people who have done this over the sink or over the counter area. I don't recommend putting them over your stove because they will get filthy from the spatters that happen when food gets cooked.

Man I hate those things, and things hanging from the ceiling in general. My family is short, with me being the only (mild, 6'1) exception. I have to bob and weave whenever I go home.  I'm not sure how they even make sense for a short person. If they're high enough so you won't run into them when leaning over a counter/stove, doesn't that make them a pain to reach?

No more than cabinets, really. It's an optimization exercise but it does require some design and planning.

The idea is to hang the pots and pans at a height where the lowest point is about an inch above your head, wherever that happens to be. But something hanging at 6'1" can still be easily and safely grasped by a person 5' tall if it's overhead or within easy reach of the edge of the counter. Putting it overhead in the middle of, say, a kitchen island will make it difficult for a short person. So the idea many people have of putting the racks or hooks right next to a wall with a counter in front is not good.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16670 on: January 25, 2017, 03:21:30 PM »
Yes, I'm going to be "that guy," but as there is now a thread for Tiny Kitchens, can we please go back to mocking our co-workers' unmustachian behaviors?

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« Reply #16671 on: January 25, 2017, 04:38:02 PM »
Sure! I'll offer up what I think is a pretty rough story. I've worked with a particular co-worker for about 5 years now. While this was not apparent to me immediately, I realized that both he and his wife eat out for nearly every single meal, every single day.

They both work and have to commute, so I think it's done partially out of convenience and partially out of loving the "dining-out" experience.

I don't think they eat at fancy restaurants most of the time. But they eat out at least once per day and sometimes on the weekends. I've picked up on this from casual conversations over time.

This lead me to do some rough calculations. I think this is a fairly conservative estimate: $10/meal x 2 people x 5 days/week x 2 times/day x 52 weeks = $10,400/year

Wow. Mind Blown.
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« Reply #16672 on: January 25, 2017, 06:44:02 PM »
Since I'm self-employed, it's more of a 'heard from clients'.

One older couple is lovely, great people, always nice. I figure they're probably in their early 60's. The husband sells real estate, and the wife just got a new office job since I guess real estate has been slow. They went away a month or so ago, and I took care of the dog. She had to wait for the new job's first paycheck to be able to start paying off the vacation bill (with a few other walks), of $400. I can't even. How do you know you're living on a wildly fluctuating income and not have even a tiny buffer?? I would be nauseous with that little flexibility.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16673 on: January 26, 2017, 06:02:45 AM »
One of my close coworkers keeps talking about how he wants to save more money this year and spend less. Of course, he is still buying lunch from the cafeteria every day of the week instead of packing food (at $6-10/day).  And this is after he spent a ton of money last year on ... Cooking classes!  *facepalm*

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« Reply #16674 on: January 26, 2017, 08:03:50 AM »
One of my colleagues says almost every day to me: I should do like you and bring my own lunch, but it is such a hassle to prepare lunch.

At my work we can eat for a fixed price. It is not expensive compared to other canteens, but it is quite a sum if you calculate what it costs per month (multiplied by 22 working days). And it is for me very tempting to overeat. I went up several kilos in weight when I started working there.

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« Reply #16675 on: January 26, 2017, 08:15:20 AM »
A ton of people at work eat out for lunch everyday. Mostly cheap stuff like subway or bojangles since that's all there is in the area, but they also drive 5-6 miles total just to get lunch. A lot of them make much less money than me...some as low as $10.50 an hour. Also, almost everyone uses the vending machine for snacks and soda. It gets filled twice a week and there are only 70 employees. I've eaten out twice (both times paid by the company) and got fries one time (I was starving and that's all I could eat with my diet...I think I forgot lunch that day).

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16676 on: January 26, 2017, 08:23:41 AM »
We can eat well at the company cafeteria for $5. I don't do that every day but its nice not to leave work to go get food if you didn't bring it with you. I have coworkers who eat out every single day. In an effort to save money they'll got get the $5 fastfood platter somewhere. I did that with them recently and it was okay once in a blue moon. Can't imagine doing it daily. Just not enough variety to eat fried fast food and drink sodas daily.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16677 on: January 26, 2017, 09:04:17 AM »
A little bit ago I showed a coworker that I paid 2500 from my last bi-weekly check to my student loan. My goal is to pay 4000 per month, meaning I paid 1500 out of the first check of the month.

He exclaimed, "Wow, I wish I had that much extra money every month!" This from a guy who has 10k in CC debt, is paying for a house in the Bay Area, is paying for a brand new huge truck and a new car and hardly ever works OT when it's offered.

He knows I work nearly every single hour I can possibly get, sometimes 75 hours per week. He also knows I rent a small studio with no kitchen and have lived out of my car for months at a time and refuse to buy the newest gadget coming out every week.

Our financial lives are a complete contrast, yet he wishes he had 4000 extra dollars every month. I told him it isn't extra, I just didn't spend it so that I could pay down debt with it, instead. He can't understand my mindset... you are SUPPOSED to buy a house and have nice vehicles to drive so that people know you are doing well.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16678 on: January 26, 2017, 09:18:40 AM »
Did you ever look into buying a cutting board (or two) that fits over your stovetop and/or sink? They're cheap, and give you some extra counter space.

I have a rule in my house.  Nothing gets stored on a stovetop or in the oven that will burn.  Ever.

Just like you automate your savings so you don't forget to save, you set up routines that keep you from burning down the house.   FYI - a cat CAN turn on the burners on top of the stove.

Now, a cutting board over the sink, that's a good idea!

Here in Norway kitchens traditionally often had a cutting board right under the counter, that they can pull out like a drawer. Like this:
http://www.imgrum.net/media/1199383242750159697_40867937

This is the modern version of it, a separate board that fits on top of a drawer:
http://fossline.no/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/fjoel_paa_skuff.jpg

My friend uses a board like this to cut bread. I imagine that the access crumbs end up in the drawer.

I think people generally store too much stuff on their counter. But maybe that is because they have too little room in the cupboards.

We had one of those when my parents house was built in 1982.  I wonder why they stopped making them in the US.

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« Reply #16679 on: January 26, 2017, 09:58:54 AM »
Did you ever look into buying a cutting board (or two) that fits over your stovetop and/or sink? They're cheap, and give you some extra counter space.

I have a rule in my house.  Nothing gets stored on a stovetop or in the oven that will burn.  Ever.

Just like you automate your savings so you don't forget to save, you set up routines that keep you from burning down the house.   FYI - a cat CAN turn on the burners on top of the stove.

Now, a cutting board over the sink, that's a good idea!

Here in Norway kitchens traditionally often had a cutting board right under the counter, that they can pull out like a drawer. Like this:
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This is the modern version of it, a separate board that fits on top of a drawer:
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My friend uses a board like this to cut bread. I imagine that the access crumbs end up in the drawer.

I think people generally store too much stuff on their counter. But maybe that is because they have too little room in the cupboards.

We had one of those when my parents house was built in 1982.  I wonder why they stopped making them in the US.

wouldnt work for me thats far to short for my height.  normal counter height is borderline. 
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« Reply #16680 on: January 26, 2017, 02:31:16 PM »
Sure! I'll offer up what I think is a pretty rough story. I've worked with a particular co-worker for about 5 years now. While this was not apparent to me immediately, I realized that both he and his wife eat out for nearly every single meal, every single day.

They both work and have to commute, so I think it's done partially out of convenience and partially out of loving the "dining-out" experience.

I don't think they eat at fancy restaurants most of the time. But they eat out at least once per day and sometimes on the weekends. I've picked up on this from casual conversations over time.

This lead me to do some rough calculations. I think this is a fairly conservative estimate: $10/meal x 2 people x 5 days/week x 2 times/day x 52 weeks = $10,400/year

Wow. Mind Blown.

Reminds me of a former boss (a VP with a working spouse and three boys).   He told me once about a super sale Costco (about 40 min drive away) was having on paper plates.   I agreed that it was a great deal, but not worth it to me, because I have trouble going through 40 paper plates a year (birthday parties).

He was amazed... That was when I found out the otherwise mustachian boss used paper plates for EVERY meal... because it made for no dishes.   and this was a place that charged $75 per month for the large trash / recycling can...

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« Reply #16681 on: January 26, 2017, 03:18:58 PM »
Agreed there are differences, but I fail to see how someone with the attitude/capacity/work ethic to understand business finance cannot learn about personal finance. And these folks are everywhere.

That is what struck me when many years ago I read a Personal Finance column in Money magazine where the topic was about actually looking for the first time at how much you owed on credit cards and paying it off, and the author used himself as the case study.  Why would I take personal financial advice from someone who didn't even pay off their credit cards? 

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« Reply #16682 on: January 26, 2017, 03:24:16 PM »
Reminds me of a former boss (a VP with a working spouse and three boys).   He told me once about a super sale Costco (about 40 min drive away) was having on paper plates.   I agreed that it was a great deal, but not worth it to me, because I have trouble going through 40 paper plates a year (birthday parties).

He was amazed... That was when I found out the otherwise mustachian boss used paper plates for EVERY meal... because it made for no dishes.   and this was a place that charged $75 per month for the large trash / recycling can...

The wife and I discussed doing this recently.

Decided not to, because environment, but the money aspect very well could be worth it if you hate dishes.
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« Reply #16683 on: January 26, 2017, 04:38:01 PM »
Reminds me of a former boss (a VP with a working spouse and three boys).   He told me once about a super sale Costco (about 40 min drive away) was having on paper plates.   I agreed that it was a great deal, but not worth it to me, because I have trouble going through 40 paper plates a year (birthday parties).

He was amazed... That was when I found out the otherwise mustachian boss used paper plates for EVERY meal... because it made for no dishes.   and this was a place that charged $75 per month for the large trash / recycling can...

The wife and I discussed doing this recently.

Decided not to, because environment, but the money aspect very well could be worth it if you hate dishes.

Just eat directly out of the take-out container.  Save tons of money on paper plates!

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« Reply #16684 on: January 26, 2017, 04:46:29 PM »
Reminds me of a former boss (a VP with a working spouse and three boys).   He told me once about a super sale Costco (about 40 min drive away) was having on paper plates.   I agreed that it was a great deal, but not worth it to me, because I have trouble going through 40 paper plates a year (birthday parties).

He was amazed... That was when I found out the otherwise mustachian boss used paper plates for EVERY meal... because it made for no dishes.   and this was a place that charged $75 per month for the large trash / recycling can...

The wife and I discussed doing this recently.

Decided not to, because environment, but the money aspect very well could be worth it if you hate dishes.

Just eat directly out of the take-out container.  Save tons of money on paper plates!
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« Reply #16685 on: January 26, 2017, 07:10:05 PM »
wouldnt work for me thats far to short for my height.  normal counter height is borderline boarderline.

Fixed that for you.  ;)
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« Reply #16686 on: January 26, 2017, 07:37:50 PM »
wouldnt work for me thats far to short for my height.  normal counter height is borderline boarderline.

Fixed that for you.  ;)

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« Reply #16687 on: January 27, 2017, 11:05:12 AM »
wouldnt work for me thats far to short for my height.  normal counter height is borderline boarderline.

Fixed that for you.  ;)



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« Reply #16688 on: January 27, 2017, 03:22:39 PM »
Just heard my supervisor talking to a colleague about how he needs to go use his remote start to "warm up" his clown car of a pickup. It's 35*F here and he lives about 8 miles from work, so not only is he using the extra gas and hurting the environment letting his v8 idle in the parking lot, he's reducing the life of his engine by letting it sit idle for long periods (>5 minutes) with inadequate oil pressure.

All so the cabin will be 10 degrees warmer when he climbs in for his fifteen minute commute home.

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« Reply #16689 on: January 27, 2017, 04:29:55 PM »
I am a teacher, and I work at the same school my son attends. Earlier this week, he was goofing around and stepped on a teacher's school iPad. I only partially blame my son. He shouldn't have been running through her office. But, why she had her iPad, without a case, laying on the floor in front of the door, I will never figure out.

Anyway, she was pissed. And came storming to me, expecting me to be as furious as she was. Well, I wasn't. Shit happens. I told her that it was fine, just tell the tech department that my son was responsible, and I will take care of it. She was decidedly unsatisfied with my casual disregard to her emotional response, but she quickly realized that it was the only response I would give.

I spoke with my son. He was devastated. He never meant for it to happen. He swore that he would pay for it. I told him that it might be $600, that it was an accident, and it was only partly his fault. I said he could help me clean the yard to make up for it, but I wasn't going to have him drain his savings to repay it. He has like $50-$60 saved up from birthdays and events. He saves about half of what he gets, and doesn't have an allowance. So, that takes a while to build up.

Anyway, none of that is the real point. I go down to talk to the tech person about what I owe. Figure I can just reconfigure my budget to cash flow it, even if it was the full replacement cost.

"Oh, it was $85."

"$85? Alright."

"But, don't worry. You are a teacher, so you can make payments."

WTF? Payments on an $85 bill? I pointed out how insane that would be. She told me that a lot of teachers and staff don't have $85 just laying around. Not her, of course, but she would still want payments so she didn't have to lose that $85 all at once.

I don't even understand that. How do people survive when they can't swing an unexpected bill under $100? Heck, I had an expensive as hell week (emergency vet bills over $700) and expected this to be up to $600 and wasn't even sweating it. Worst would be having to move a little cash from savings and reduce some unnecessary spending for the next month. And that's to handle something I thought might be 20 times as high.

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« Reply #16690 on: January 27, 2017, 07:39:00 PM »
Oh yeah.  My wife used to teach yearbook at her high school, and teachers would come in but not have the $50 deposit to reserve one, and ask her to "hold one" for them until next payday, when they could afford the deposit.  $50, really?

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« Reply #16691 on: January 27, 2017, 08:17:42 PM »
Just heard my supervisor talking to a colleague about how he needs to go use his remote start to "warm up" his clown car of a pickup. It's 35*F here and he lives about 8 miles from work, so not only is he using the extra gas and hurting the environment letting his v8 idle in the parking lot, he's reducing the life of his engine by letting it sit idle for long periods (>5 minutes) with inadequate oil pressure.

All so the cabin will be 10 degrees warmer when he climbs in for his fifteen minute commute home.
Then he won't have to wear a hat or jacket to work...

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« Reply #16692 on: January 27, 2017, 08:21:19 PM »
Oh yeah.  My wife used to teach yearbook at her high school, and teachers would come in but not have the $50 deposit to reserve one, and ask her to "hold one" for them until next payday, when they could afford the deposit.  $50, really?

Many teachers are very bad with money, sadly.

My DW was a teacher who did the who 30 year career thing. You wouldn't believe how many of her coworkers end up retiring, and falling for one of the school sanctioned, guest speaker,  financial experts who hooked them at one of their  free "retirement planning dinners".  Holy shit, these guys end up hammering their marks with outrageous fees and still have a blindly loyal audience. We still socialize with a few of these folks, and occasionally get hit with the, "you really need to talk to our guy" recommendation. Sorry, but if he isn't picking up the phone at Vanguard, I don't need to talk to him at all. Pre-MMM we took that ride, constant churning, a "expert" who did  things as stupid as leaving 10% on the sidelines as cash, and buying gold stocks, while handily getting stomped by index funds and stealing 1.25% a year for losing our money.

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« Reply #16693 on: January 28, 2017, 08:13:14 AM »
got fries one time (I was starving and that's all I could eat with my diet...
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« Reply #16694 on: January 28, 2017, 09:24:22 AM »
Oh yeah.  My wife used to teach yearbook at her high school, and teachers would come in but not have the $50 deposit to reserve one, and ask her to "hold one" for them until next payday, when they could afford the deposit.  $50, really?

Many teachers are very bad with money, sadly.

I am aware of my own downfall.  I am a sucker for donations.  And, when you work at a school, there are a lot of causes to donate to.  We have club fundraisers, teachers who fall ill, livestock auctions (rural community), homeless families, holiday support causes, general school fundraisers, girl scouts, boy scouts, etc.  Currently, we have a student who is extremely sick with cancer.  Things don't look good.  So, we're having weekly fundraisers.  I've calculated that donating to all the causes since January 9th (when we went back) to now, it would be nearly $100.  I don't allow myself to carry cash at work.  Because I will mindlessly give.  I do have an amount that is budgeted for giving, and I have that with me at work.  When it's gone, I'm done.

My biggest money blow-out is sick leave.  I don't use it, unless things are dire.  So, I accumulate a lot of it.  Well, if a teacher gets cancer or something and is out for extended periods of time, beyond their available leave, other teachers can donate leave.  A lot of teachers don't have financial reserves high enough to survive a time like that.  Probably because they have a 3,000 sqft home and two new cars with payments, but telling that they did it to themselves is the last thing they need to hear.  And, even the best planner, on a teacher's salary, can see medical expenses wipe out years of savings.

"What the hell," I thought, "I don't use it."  So, I'd give a week of leave away to those who needed it.  It was only when I started considering my long-term plans (retirement and/or changing careers) that I asked myself what happens to leave that I haven't used.  It turns out that they pay it to you at your current hourly rate.  I have given away literal thousands of dollars in leave! It's close to 5 figures.  Not that I regret it.  I should, but the people I gave it to needed it more than I did.  One of those people was my own mother.  I'd have given her every day I had, if there wasn't an upper limit.

Anyway, I could probably write a book on the poor financial decisions that I see at the school.  And, I could monopolize the MLM thread with stories of the various ones my coworkers are trying to succeed at.

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« Reply #16695 on: January 28, 2017, 11:21:41 AM »
I'm in the same boat. I spend more on student fundraisers than groceries some months, and since I work in an impoverished area, there's even more pressure on us since parents often can't help.

I did give away a lot of sick leave until I became disabled. I don't regret it at all, but I do hope that if I find myself needing donations, the younger healthier teachers will feel as generous towards me as I felt towards those I donated to. Of course, ideally I won't need any donations at all.
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« Reply #16696 on: January 28, 2017, 11:29:52 AM »
got fries one time (I was starving and that's all I could eat with my diet...
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« Reply #16697 on: January 28, 2017, 11:42:58 AM »
I'm in the same boat. I spend more on student fundraisers than groceries some months, and since I work in an impoverished area, there's even more pressure on us since parents often can't help.

I did give away a lot of sick leave until I became disabled. I don't regret it at all, but I do hope that if I find myself needing donations, the younger healthier teachers will feel as generous towards me as I felt towards those I donated to. Of course, ideally I won't need any donations at all.

I'm also in an impoverished area.  It is almost expected that teachers will make up for the lack of supplies for students.  I also stock some non-perishable foods in my room, for students who miss the free breakfast but had nothing at home.  Little things add up fast.

If I ever became disabled and needed leave, I would hope others would step up and donate to me.  Of course, ideally, I wouldn't need that.  But, I believe in helping those around me.  In the long run, I would hope that the few thousand I gave away benefited those people more than having it would have benefited me to keep it.   

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« Reply #16698 on: January 29, 2017, 12:33:45 AM »
got fries one time (I was starving and that's all I could eat with my diet...
Please tell me more about this 'fries' diet ...
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Vegetarian or vegan?

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« Reply #16699 on: January 29, 2017, 12:34:36 AM »
got fries one time (I was starving and that's all I could eat with my diet...
Please tell me more about this 'fries' diet ...
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Vegetarian or vegan?
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