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« Reply #16550 on: January 23, 2017, 08:17:57 PM »
I literally have had consultants (that I hire / fire) laugh at me when they see me make a sandwich in my office.  They get a per diem when on-site, so I see why it wouldn't be a big deal for them to eat at a restaurant every day and more convienent than shopping for groceries in a strange town.  I wanted to ask if they ate at a restaurant for lunch the days they work from home, but I didn't feel like getting into it with them at the time.

If someone is going to look down on you for the brand of peanut butter you're using for your sandwich, they are probably looking down on you for packing anyway.  In either case, who cares what they think?

I never really thought about it until now, but there are only two people in our office who don't brown bag their lunch. One is a single woman in her 40s who likes to bring Chinese food for lunch, and the other is a slightly eccentric single guy (literally a rocket scientist who had Richard Feynman as an advisor in college) who has plenty of money and just buys whatever is going at the cafeteria.

A lot of the guys are foreigners working on H1B visas, and they send a lot of money back home while they're working in the US. They tend to be thrifty.

Do most people in your office have children? I ask because it is a well-observed pattern that people without children have similar or higher grocery expenditures compared to their peers with children (i.e. they eat out more and pack meals less frequently).

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« Reply #16551 on: January 23, 2017, 08:22:46 PM »


YMMV, I'm spoiled at having Cub (our major grocery chain) and Aldi's within a few minutes of my house, and Costco is about 13 minutes away. I am pretty decent at price shopping (does anyone know where to get the best price for Dawn dish soap though?), but my biggest waste is throwing away food. I need to get better at planning my meals and sticking to them.

For Dawn dishwashing liquid check the flyers for Walgreens and CVS if they are in your area. Both places regularly promote the small bottles for $1 (and you can sometimes find a 25-cents off coupon in the paper too). At the sale price the cost  per ounce is less than the sale prices of larger bottles at Target or my local supermarket.

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« Reply #16552 on: January 23, 2017, 10:20:38 PM »
YMMV, I'm spoiled at having Cub (our major grocery chain) and Aldi's within a few minutes of my house, and Costco is about 13 minutes away. I am pretty decent at price shopping (does anyone know where to get the best price for Dawn dish soap though?), but my biggest waste is throwing away food. I need to get better at planning my meals and sticking to them.

Aldi sells blue dish soap that is copying Dawn.  I can't remember the price.

How does the quality compare?

I bought Dawn at Aldi's and it was $3 for a 28 ounce thing (I believe that's the size). Prior to this I went through a few dollar store soaps that are nearly all water. I'm happy to buy a knock-off if it does as good a job as Dawn's.

I don't know?  It works for me, but I've never bought name-brand Dawn.  My family used Sunlight, and I can't remember what I used to buy before getting the Aldi stuff. 
I do know that having a roommate take the 1/3 full bottle of dish soap and add 2/3 a bottle of water to "make it last longer" will, in fact, make it pretty much not work at all (we were so annoyed!).
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« Reply #16553 on: January 24, 2017, 06:36:51 AM »
I never really thought about it until now, but there are only two people in our office who don't brown bag their lunch. One is a single woman in her 40s who likes to bring Chinese food for lunch, and the other is a slightly eccentric single guy (literally a rocket scientist who had Richard Feynman as an advisor in college) who has plenty of money and just buys whatever is going at the cafeteria.

A lot of the guys are foreigners working on H1B visas, and they send a lot of money back home while they're working in the US. They tend to be thrifty.

Do most people in your office have children? I ask because it is a well-observed pattern that people without children have similar or higher grocery expenditures compared to their peers with children (i.e. they eat out more and pack meals less frequently).

Most of the people I work with have grandchildren. I think there's only one woman who's my age and still has kids in high school, The two single people have no kids and make good money, so I guess they can spend what they like.

The contractors are all younger, in their 20s and 30s, but they are all on H1B visas and tend to save their money for important things, like houses in their home country, etc.

My department is so nice to work in (if you have to work at all) that nobody ever leaves. There are people in their late 60s still working away, and the ones who retire tend to do it by reducing days/hours until they finally just decide to quit.

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« Reply #16554 on: January 24, 2017, 07:09:20 AM »
YMMV, I'm spoiled at having Cub (our major grocery chain) and Aldi's within a few minutes of my house, and Costco is about 13 minutes away. I am pretty decent at price shopping (does anyone know where to get the best price for Dawn dish soap though?), but my biggest waste is throwing away food. I need to get better at planning my meals and sticking to them.

Aldi sells blue dish soap that is copying Dawn.  I can't remember the price.

How does the quality compare?

I bought Dawn at Aldi's and it was $3 for a 28 ounce thing (I believe that's the size). Prior to this I went through a few dollar store soaps that are nearly all water. I'm happy to buy a knock-off if it does as good a job as Dawn's.

I don't know?  It works for me, but I've never bought name-brand Dawn.  My family used Sunlight, and I can't remember what I used to buy before getting the Aldi stuff. 
I do know that having a roommate take the 1/3 full bottle of dish soap and add 2/3 a bottle of water to "make it last longer" will, in fact, make it pretty much not work at all (we were so annoyed!).

Fair enough. I'll consider the non-name brand when I run out, though I'm very happy with Dawn thus far.

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« Reply #16555 on: January 24, 2017, 08:47:55 AM »
I literally have had consultants (that I hire / fire) laugh at me when they see me make a sandwich in my office.  They get a per diem when on-site, so I see why it wouldn't be a big deal for them to eat at a restaurant every day and more convienent than shopping for groceries in a strange town.  I wanted to ask if they ate at a restaurant for lunch the days they work from home, but I didn't feel like getting into it with them at the time.

If someone is going to look down on you for the brand of peanut butter you're using for your sandwich, they are probably looking down on you for packing anyway.  In either case, who cares what they think?

I never really thought about it until now, but there are only two people in our office who don't brown bag their lunch. One is a single woman in her 40s who likes to bring Chinese food for lunch, and the other is a slightly eccentric single guy (literally a rocket scientist who had Richard Feynman as an advisor in college) who has plenty of money and just buys whatever is going at the cafeteria.

A lot of the guys are foreigners working on H1B visas, and they send a lot of money back home while they're working in the US. They tend to be thrifty.

Do most people in your office have children? I ask because it is a well-observed pattern that people without children have similar or higher grocery expenditures compared to their peers with children (i.e. they eat out more and pack meals less frequently).

This is/was me. It is harder to make food for one or two people than it is for 3-7. When I was single, I'd do it a lot--mostly because I worked 2 jobs, and one of them was physical in nature so I didn't care what I ate nutrition wise. Now I'm married, we still eat out a lot because we're both very busy (and yes, we are legitimately busy--still 2 jobs, wife has one and helps take care of her mom).

We've migrated to a lot of prepared meals from Costco, which is slightly better, but still not all that healthy or financially sound. Part of our problem though is a lack of counterspace to prepare food.

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« Reply #16556 on: January 24, 2017, 08:55:06 AM »
Part of our problem though is a lack of counterspace to prepare food.

Do you have a table to eat at?  If so, why not use the table to prepare food?
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« Reply #16557 on: January 24, 2017, 09:18:37 AM »
Does anyone have one of those cutting mats that covers the table? I'm just starting to shop for one.

When I was a kid my great-grandmother used her dinner table for prepping foods. The table is still in the family and was flawless the last time I saw it. She'd cover the table with the rigid table protectors, then a table cloth and then this cutting mat. I recall her being able to roll food out and cut it right there.

She'd roll out pasta or pies or whatever - and then cut them on this mat that I remember.

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« Reply #16558 on: January 24, 2017, 10:03:41 AM »
Part of our problem though is a lack of counterspace to prepare food.

Do you have a table to eat at?  If so, why not use the table to prepare food?
Hey check your #tableprivilege! Not everyone has room for a table!

I prepare food in the 2 ft x 2 ft space between my stove and sink. Much of which is taken up by an Instant Pot. It is incredibly frustrating, and I don't begrudge anyone who prefers not to deal with it.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16559 on: January 24, 2017, 10:43:07 AM »
This is/was me. It is harder to make food for one or two people than it is for 3-7. When I was single, I'd do it a lot--mostly because I worked 2 jobs, and one of them was physical in nature so I didn't care what I ate nutrition wise. Now I'm married, we still eat out a lot because we're both very busy (and yes, we are legitimately busy--still 2 jobs, wife has one and helps take care of her mom).

We've migrated to a lot of prepared meals from Costco, which is slightly better, but still not all that healthy or financially sound. Part of our problem though is a lack of counterspace to prepare food.
I spent a year living in a small camper on the back of my truck.  I made almost all my meals with right about 2'x2' of counter space, and no oven.  Plenty of meals are no big deal.  Stir fry, steak, pasta, etc are easy with minimal prep area.

Next time you are at Costco get a set or two of Snapware (or similar good Tupperware like stuff).  Put it out as you dish out food.  Make food for 4 and you'll have dinner for 2 nights, or pre-done lunch leftovers.  Can be scales to 3x in many cases if you don't tire of stuff as easily as some.

Go buy Mark Bittman's How to Cook Everything Fast.  It has a lot of cut down recipes that will have food on the table in 30-45 minutes, including prep as you cook (written in fully chronological steps). 

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16560 on: January 24, 2017, 10:51:40 AM »
Hey check your #tableprivilege! Not everyone has room for a table!

I prepare food in the 2 ft x 2 ft space between my stove and sink. Much of which is taken up by an Instant Pot. It is incredibly frustrating, and I don't begrudge anyone who prefers not to deal with it.

Did you ever look into buying a cutting board (or two) that fits over your stovetop and/or sink? They're cheap, and give you some extra counter space.


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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16561 on: January 24, 2017, 11:03:24 AM »
Does anyone have one of those cutting mats that covers the table? I'm just starting to shop for one.

Like this?
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Mainstays-Flexible-Pastry-Mat/15224370

I have one.  I used to use it pretty often, but then we moved to a house where the table is two rooms away from the kitchen, so I rarely do prep work at the table any more. My mat has acquired some creases that make it a less than perfectly flat surface, which is annoying.  I probably didn't take enough care to keep it from getting crushed in the cabinets.

For the ones with measurements for pie crust sizes, you want to google "pastry mat." If you want a thicker version (less flexible, but more protective), look for cutting mats sold for artists (e.g http://www.dickblick.com/products/alvin-cutting-mats/) or quilters (e.g., http://www.joann.com/sewing/cutting-tools/rotary-cutting/cutting-mats/#sz=36).

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« Reply #16562 on: January 24, 2017, 11:11:18 AM »
Thank you for doing some of my homework! My sister got the kitchen training. I was busy out cutting the yard or changing the oil. Have lately been feeling the itch to learn to cook. Something else to share with DW, also have some ambitions to make some of the old family (grand parent) favorite dishes that I remember.

Also, our kitchen table is far more convenient than our countertops.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16563 on: January 24, 2017, 11:30:53 AM »
25 yr old coworker (lives with his mom) pulls up in brand new Buick SUV with leather seats, etc.

Me:  Wow! Nice car.
CW: Thanks
Me: So I guess that's why you live with your mom (We're friends so I get to rib him a little)
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« Reply #16564 on: January 24, 2017, 11:33:48 AM »
Hey check your #tableprivilege! Not everyone has room for a table!

I prepare food in the 2 ft x 2 ft space between my stove and sink. Much of which is taken up by an Instant Pot. It is incredibly frustrating, and I don't begrudge anyone who prefers not to deal with it.
Did you ever look into buying a cutting board (or two) that fits over your stovetop and/or sink? They're cheap, and give you some extra counter space.
So, this may be a dumb question, but if I have a cutting board on the stovetop and/or sink, what do I cook on and where does the dirty cookware go? (Halfway tongue-in-cheek--lots of my IP recipes don't use the stove, so do use the stove as a surface then.)

Go buy Mark Bittman's How to Cook Everything Fast.  It has a lot of cut down recipes that will have food on the table in 30-45 minutes, including prep as you cook (written in fully chronological steps). 
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« Reply #16565 on: January 24, 2017, 11:46:30 AM »
Hey check your #tableprivilege! Not everyone has room for a table!

I prepare food in the 2 ft x 2 ft space between my stove and sink. Much of which is taken up by an Instant Pot. It is incredibly frustrating, and I don't begrudge anyone who prefers not to deal with it.
Did you ever look into buying a cutting board (or two) that fits over your stovetop and/or sink? They're cheap, and give you some extra counter space.
So, this may be a dumb question, but if I have a cutting board on the stovetop and/or sink, what do I cook on and where does the dirty cookware go? (Halfway tongue-in-cheek--lots of my IP recipes don't use the stove, so do use the stove as a surface then.)

Go buy Mark Bittman's How to Cook Everything Fast.  It has a lot of cut down recipes that will have food on the table in 30-45 minutes, including prep as you cook (written in fully chronological steps). 
Yes! Bittman's books are the best. I get them from the library--but if I couldn't get them for free, I would consider spending money on them.

My idea of food prep is making a sandwich :) I hate cooking...I'll bake, but that's it.

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« Reply #16566 on: January 24, 2017, 12:23:10 PM »
Part of our problem though is a lack of counterspace to prepare food.

Do you have a table to eat at?  If so, why not use the table to prepare food?
Hey check your #tableprivilege! Not everyone has room for a table!

I prepare food in the 2 ft x 2 ft space between my stove and sink. Much of which is taken up by an Instant Pot. It is incredibly frustrating, and I don't begrudge anyone who prefers not to deal with it.

No, just a dining room table with a wall and doorway in between. You could use it, but it really would still be a pain in the hindquarters.

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« Reply #16567 on: January 24, 2017, 12:26:38 PM »
This is/was me. It is harder to make food for one or two people than it is for 3-7. When I was single, I'd do it a lot--mostly because I worked 2 jobs, and one of them was physical in nature so I didn't care what I ate nutrition wise. Now I'm married, we still eat out a lot because we're both very busy (and yes, we are legitimately busy--still 2 jobs, wife has one and helps take care of her mom).

We've migrated to a lot of prepared meals from Costco, which is slightly better, but still not all that healthy or financially sound. Part of our problem though is a lack of counterspace to prepare food.
I spent a year living in a small camper on the back of my truck.  I made almost all my meals with right about 2'x2' of counter space, and no oven.  Plenty of meals are no big deal.  Stir fry, steak, pasta, etc are easy with minimal prep area.

Next time you are at Costco get a set or two of Snapware (or similar good Tupperware like stuff).  Put it out as you dish out food.  Make food for 4 and you'll have dinner for 2 nights, or pre-done lunch leftovers.  Can be scales to 3x in many cases if you don't tire of stuff as easily as some.

Go buy Mark Bittman's How to Cook Everything Fast.  It has a lot of cut down recipes that will have food on the table in 30-45 minutes, including prep as you cook (written in fully chronological steps).


Wife works in the food world. I pride myself as an excellent cook. We know a lot of tricks, but at the end of the day when you have a small 1x1 area to cook it makes it hard.

Someday we might bump out our kitchen. And we have a lot of things in the kitchen that will have to move (seldom used pots and pans, for example that may afford us more room. In the meantime we make due with what we can.

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« Reply #16568 on: January 24, 2017, 01:13:30 PM »
You could offer to find her the label of a fancy-pants PB brand so she can tape it over her PB?
If I were that worried about the branding, I'd scoop it out and put it in a mason jar - and tell people it was "processed locally" - which would sort of be true.

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« Reply #16569 on: January 24, 2017, 02:22:59 PM »
overhear co-worker talking about the state of home prices here in Denver (only going up , just now starting to slow down).

I told him that me and fiancé just decided to keep renting for the time being. Not wanting to gamble on throwing a bunch of money down on a house right now when rent is still right at what a same size house would cost if not a little less (for what we want at least  - 3 car garage, at least 1500 sq ft in the city).

He proceeds to tell me how renting is just a big money waste and he would rather live in a really crappy house then rent.

Then the other co worker chimes in and says they just built a house in south parker (fancy area) and the house came in right under 500k. Now I don't know what this guys finances are but I do know that he is probably late 50's(guessing) and makes 50k or less(know this for certain).

How in the actual f ! Unless this guy has some huge money laundering scheme / trust fund / sugar moma(s) I can't see how this makes any sense financially...

Then they started comparing trucks. Co worker has new a dodge ram and other co worker wants a new Silverado.

I sat down and continued eating my home made salad...so much fail

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« Reply #16570 on: January 24, 2017, 03:00:00 PM »
You could offer to find her the label of a fancy-pants PB brand so she can tape it over her PB?
If I were that worried about the branding, I'd scoop it out and put it in a mason jar - and tell people it was "processed locally" - which would sort of be true.

Did that with mustard when a particularly brand-obsessed friend came over for dinner. I think it's fine to do this if you know they don't have food allergies.

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« Reply #16571 on: January 24, 2017, 04:51:03 PM »
Since coworker got a job years ago at our employer that offers defined benefit pension, he has completely discontinued any other type of retirement savings.  The pension will be there to take care of him.

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« Reply #16572 on: January 24, 2017, 05:27:25 PM »
Is your employer the government?   i could tell you stories about disappearing DB plans in industry...
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« Reply #16573 on: January 24, 2017, 05:43:20 PM »
Defined contribution retirement plans are the single largest boost to early retirement.

It cracks me up when people here moan about how defined benefit pensions have been gutted. They were always a terrible deal for the enterprising worker.

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« Reply #16574 on: January 24, 2017, 08:24:19 PM »
Defined contribution retirement plans are the single largest boost to early retirement.

It cracks me up when people here moan about how defined benefit pensions have been gutted. They were always a terrible deal for the enterprising worker.

Agreed.  Besides all the drawbacks you're thinking of that make them bad for normal retirees, they're huge handcuffs for early retirees.
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« Reply #16575 on: January 24, 2017, 08:48:26 PM »
Did you ever look into buying a cutting board (or two) that fits over your stovetop and/or sink? They're cheap, and give you some extra counter space.

I have a rule in my house.  Nothing gets stored on a stovetop or in the oven that will burn.  Ever.

Just like you automate your savings so you don't forget to save, you set up routines that keep you from burning down the house.   FYI - a cat CAN turn on the burners on top of the stove.

Now, a cutting board over the sink, that's a good idea!

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« Reply #16576 on: January 24, 2017, 09:00:34 PM »
Did you ever look into buying a cutting board (or two) that fits over your stovetop and/or sink? They're cheap, and give you some extra counter space.

I have a rule in my house.  Nothing gets stored on a stovetop or in the oven that will burn.  Ever.

Just like you automate your savings so you don't forget to save, you set up routines that keep you from burning down the house.   FYI - a cat CAN turn on the burners on top of the stove.

Now, a cutting board over the sink, that's a good idea!

I like this, just shared with the wife and we're implementing.  I don't think we ever have, but now it's a conscious decision we're aware of.  Thanks!
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« Reply #16577 on: January 25, 2017, 12:04:30 AM »
Did you ever look into buying a cutting board (or two) that fits over your stovetop and/or sink? They're cheap, and give you some extra counter space.

I have a rule in my house.  Nothing gets stored on a stovetop or in the oven that will burn.  Ever.

Just like you automate your savings so you don't forget to save, you set up routines that keep you from burning down the house.   FYI - a cat CAN turn on the burners on top of the stove.

Now, a cutting board over the sink, that's a good idea!

I actually turned the cut-out pieces of countertop from my sinkwells into cutting boards. They're awesome, and would have been thrown away anyway.
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« Reply #16578 on: January 25, 2017, 01:28:54 AM »
Did you ever look into buying a cutting board (or two) that fits over your stovetop and/or sink? They're cheap, and give you some extra counter space.

I have a rule in my house.  Nothing gets stored on a stovetop or in the oven that will burn.  Ever.

Just like you automate your savings so you don't forget to save, you set up routines that keep you from burning down the house.   FYI - a cat CAN turn on the burners on top of the stove.

Now, a cutting board over the sink, that's a good idea!

Here in Norway kitchens traditionally often had a cutting board right under the counter, that they can pull out like a drawer. Like this:
http://www.imgrum.net/media/1199383242750159697_40867937

This is the modern version of it, a separate board that fits on top of a drawer:
http://fossline.no/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/fjoel_paa_skuff.jpg

My friend uses a board like this to cut bread. I imagine that the access crumbs end up in the drawer.

I think people generally store too much stuff on their counter. But maybe that is because they have too little room in the cupboards.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16579 on: January 25, 2017, 05:37:04 AM »
Is your employer the government?   i could tell you stories about disappearing DB plans in industry...

Yes, but that is no guarantee of anything.  The point is that it's foolish to depend solely on your pension, even if you don't plan to FIRE.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16580 on: January 25, 2017, 05:53:02 AM »
Did you ever look into buying a cutting board (or two) that fits over your stovetop and/or sink? They're cheap, and give you some extra counter space.

I have a rule in my house.  Nothing gets stored on a stovetop or in the oven that will burn.  Ever.

Just like you automate your savings so you don't forget to save, you set up routines that keep you from burning down the house.  FYI - a cat CAN turn on the burners on top of the stove.

Now, a cutting board over the sink, that's a good idea!

I've mentioned it here in the past. I had a young guy working for me who lost his home in similar circumstances. He and his new bride were heading down the street to grab some pizza on a Friday night. They had a dog who had a bad habit of tearing the garbage up, so they put the can on the kitchen counter. They returned to a fully engulfed townhouse, surrounded by a real circus of emergency responders. The dog was rescued and the fire marshall quickly determined that the dog had been on the counter, enjoying the garbage that he spilled all over the stove, and managed to turn the stove on.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16581 on: January 25, 2017, 07:01:13 AM »
Did you ever look into buying a cutting board (or two) that fits over your stovetop and/or sink? They're cheap, and give you some extra counter space.

I have a rule in my house.  Nothing gets stored on a stovetop or in the oven that will burn.  Ever.

Just like you automate your savings so you don't forget to save, you set up routines that keep you from burning down the house.  FYI - a cat CAN turn on the burners on top of the stove.

Now, a cutting board over the sink, that's a good idea!

I've mentioned it here in the past. I had a young guy working for me who lost his home in similar circumstances. He and his new bride were heading down the street to grab some pizza on a Friday night. They had a dog who had a bad habit of tearing the garbage up, so they put the can on the kitchen counter. They returned to a fully engulfed townhouse, surrounded by a real circus of emergency responders. The dog was rescued and the fire marshall quickly determined that the dog had been on the counter, enjoying the garbage that he spilled all over the stove, and managed to turn the stove on.

Another reason to love my wheelchair-accessible stove, then: no pet induced drama. The dials are on the front, so you don't have to reach across burners to get to them. Since I do a lot of canning, I appreciate not having the knobs get in the way of vats of boiling water and vinegar.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16582 on: January 25, 2017, 07:04:57 AM »
But you have to be careful about little kids turning the knobs. Not a problem as I recall from your stories.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16583 on: January 25, 2017, 08:03:15 AM »
Did you ever look into buying a cutting board (or two) that fits over your stovetop and/or sink? They're cheap, and give you some extra counter space.

I have a rule in my house.  Nothing gets stored on a stovetop or in the oven that will burn.  Ever.

Just like you automate your savings so you don't forget to save, you set up routines that keep you from burning down the house.  FYI - a cat CAN turn on the burners on top of the stove.

Now, a cutting board over the sink, that's a good idea!

I've mentioned it here in the past. I had a young guy working for me who lost his home in similar circumstances. He and his new bride were heading down the street to grab some pizza on a Friday night. They had a dog who had a bad habit of tearing the garbage up, so they put the can on the kitchen counter. They returned to a fully engulfed townhouse, surrounded by a real circus of emergency responders. The dog was rescued and the fire marshall quickly determined that the dog had been on the counter, enjoying the garbage that he spilled all over the stove, and managed to turn the stove on.

Another reason to love my wheelchair-accessible stove, then: no pet induced drama. The dials are on the front, so you don't have to reach across burners to get to them. Since I do a lot of canning, I appreciate not having the knobs get in the way of vats of boiling water and vinegar.
LOL, the dog was able to burn the place to the ground, since it WAS a front control unit. Full disclosure however, it was one of those "back in the day" units that had push buttons instead of knobs. I recently paid for an ADA accessible stove for a family friend who had added an inlaw suite for his disabled sibling. I was pleasantly surprised to discover that it was reasonably priced, since my wife is disabled and there are certain sectors of the ADA market who delight in screwing their customers with horrendous overpricing.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16584 on: January 25, 2017, 08:10:59 AM »
Defined contribution retirement plans are the single largest boost to early retirement.

It cracks me up when people here moan about how defined benefit pensions have been gutted. They were always a terrible deal for the enterprising worker.

It has it's benefits and drawbacks.  Pulling 60% of your salary for life starting at age 55 isn't so bad.  Some might even argue that 55 IS RE.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16585 on: January 25, 2017, 09:18:40 AM »
Defined contribution retirement plans are the single largest boost to early retirement.

It cracks me up when people here moan about how defined benefit pensions have been gutted. They were always a terrible deal for the enterprising worker.

It has it's benefits and drawbacks.  Pulling 60% of your salary for life starting at age 55 isn't so bad.  Some might even argue that 55 IS RE.
It is if you have to stay in the same company for 30 or more years.  In my industry in the 80's (when pensions were still a thing locally) people job hopped a lot.  Companies would lay off after a contract ended, or companies were created just for a specific contract (and therefore close it when the contract was over).  And people would follow contracts, as they were awarded to the next company.  Even then, if you didn't job hop, your salary would stagnate, so your salary at 55 is much lower. 

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16586 on: January 25, 2017, 11:01:29 AM »
I prepare food in the 2 ft x 2 ft space between my stove and sink. Much of which is taken up by an Instant Pot. It is incredibly frustrating, and I don't begrudge anyone who prefers not to deal with it.

That sounds maddening.  Could you get a little rolling cart or small table for the Instant Pot?  We have a little rolling cart that stores the dried beans and DBF's coffee things.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16587 on: January 25, 2017, 11:06:12 AM »
I prepare food in the 2 ft x 2 ft space between my stove and sink. Much of which is taken up by an Instant Pot. It is incredibly frustrating, and I don't begrudge anyone who prefers not to deal with it.

That sounds maddening.  Could you get a little rolling cart or small table for the Instant Pot?  We have a little rolling cart that stores the dried beans and DBF's coffee things.

Could you install a shelf and put the instant pot there?  Take the insert down and fill it, and just leave the machine there?  I did that at one apartment with the toaster oven to save counter space.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16588 on: January 25, 2017, 11:06:29 AM »
I prepare food in the 2 ft x 2 ft space between my stove and sink. Much of which is taken up by an Instant Pot. It is incredibly frustrating, and I don't begrudge anyone who prefers not to deal with it.

That sounds maddening.  Could you get a little rolling cart or small table for the Instant Pot?  We have a little rolling cart that stores the dried beans and DBF's coffee things.

If the ceiling isn't too high, have you considered getting or making a rack that allows you to suspend pots, pans and other larger items from it? I've known people who have done this over the sink or over the counter area. I don't recommend putting them over your stove because they will get filthy from the spatters that happen when food gets cooked.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16589 on: January 25, 2017, 11:17:43 AM »
I prepare food in the 2 ft x 2 ft space between my stove and sink. Much of which is taken up by an Instant Pot. It is incredibly frustrating, and I don't begrudge anyone who prefers not to deal with it.

That sounds maddening.  Could you get a little rolling cart or small table for the Instant Pot?  We have a little rolling cart that stores the dried beans and DBF's coffee things.

If the ceiling isn't too high, have you considered getting or making a rack that allows you to suspend pots, pans and other larger items from it? I've known people who have done this over the sink or over the counter area. I don't recommend putting them over your stove because they will get filthy from the spatters that happen when food gets cooked.

I'm in the same situation. About 16"x24" but I use the instant pot on the floor.

Maybe we need a tiny kitchen thread.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16590 on: January 25, 2017, 11:25:34 AM »
I prepare food in the 2 ft x 2 ft space between my stove and sink. Much of which is taken up by an Instant Pot. It is incredibly frustrating, and I don't begrudge anyone who prefers not to deal with it.

That sounds maddening.  Could you get a little rolling cart or small table for the Instant Pot?  We have a little rolling cart that stores the dried beans and DBF's coffee things.

If the ceiling isn't too high, have you considered getting or making a rack that allows you to suspend pots, pans and other larger items from it? I've known people who have done this over the sink or over the counter area. I don't recommend putting them over your stove because they will get filthy from the spatters that happen when food gets cooked.

Man I hate those things, and things hanging from the ceiling in general. My family is short, with me being the only (mild, 6'1) exception. I have to bob and weave whenever I go home.  I'm not sure how they even make sense for a short person. If they're high enough so you won't run into them when leaning over a counter/stove, doesn't that make them a pain to reach?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16591 on: January 25, 2017, 11:27:21 AM »
Defined contribution retirement plans are the single largest boost to early retirement.

It cracks me up when people here moan about how defined benefit pensions have been gutted. They were always a terrible deal for the enterprising worker.

It has it's benefits and drawbacks.  Pulling 60% of your salary for life starting at age 55 isn't so bad.  Some might even argue that 55 IS RE.

My husband has a government pension we're banking on.  His will allow him to retire at 53. Benefits for life, plus access to medical insurance. I have 2 pension plans I'm vested in, along with 403B.  Every little bit helps.  Of course, like lots of folks, we really didn't start thinking about retirement until it was too, too late to get much of a jump start on it.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16592 on: January 25, 2017, 11:34:05 AM »
I prepare food in the 2 ft x 2 ft space between my stove and sink. Much of which is taken up by an Instant Pot. It is incredibly frustrating, and I don't begrudge anyone who prefers not to deal with it.

That sounds maddening.  Could you get a little rolling cart or small table for the Instant Pot?  We have a little rolling cart that stores the dried beans and DBF's coffee things.

If the ceiling isn't too high, have you considered getting or making a rack that allows you to suspend pots, pans and other larger items from it? I've known people who have done this over the sink or over the counter area. I don't recommend putting them over your stove because they will get filthy from the spatters that happen when food gets cooked.

I'm in the same situation. About 16"x24" but I use the instant pot on the floor.

Maybe we need a tiny kitchen thread.

I think we do need a tiny kitchen thread. Mine is a typical small apartment kitchen but I have SO MUCH STUFF. I put a ton of nails in my walls just to hang measuring cups, spoons, and spatulas/large spoons. Also, I have a large spice rack over the laundry door with 50+ spices and a few extra bottles of things. The pantry is tiny, four shelves 1 ft x 2 ft in size. Stuff on top of stuff! With a bread machine, waffle maker, giant blender, and toaster oven being out most of the time there is very little space to work with. I store my large amounts of rice, flour, and oil in the laundry room that is right next to the kitchen.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16593 on: January 25, 2017, 11:52:00 AM »
I prepare food in the 2 ft x 2 ft space between my stove and sink. Much of which is taken up by an Instant Pot. It is incredibly frustrating, and I don't begrudge anyone who prefers not to deal with it.

That sounds maddening.  Could you get a little rolling cart or small table for the Instant Pot?  We have a little rolling cart that stores the dried beans and DBF's coffee things.

If the ceiling isn't too high, have you considered getting or making a rack that allows you to suspend pots, pans and other larger items from it? I've known people who have done this over the sink or over the counter area. I don't recommend putting them over your stove because they will get filthy from the spatters that happen when food gets cooked.

I'm in the same situation. About 16"x24" but I use the instant pot on the floor.

Maybe we need a tiny kitchen thread.

I think we do need a tiny kitchen thread. Mine is a typical small apartment kitchen but I have SO MUCH STUFF. I put a ton of nails in my walls just to hang measuring cups, spoons, and spatulas/large spoons. Also, I have a large spice rack over the laundry door with 50+ spices and a few extra bottles of things. The pantry is tiny, four shelves 1 ft x 2 ft in size. Stuff on top of stuff! With a bread machine, waffle maker, giant blender, and toaster oven being out most of the time there is very little space to work with. I store my large amounts of rice, flour, and oil in the laundry room that is right next to the kitchen.
I'll join you all in your tiny kitchen thread if it gets going! I've also got a tiny kitchen and try to squeeze all I can into it while still leaving some counter space left. I've found that using Ikea-style shelving thats made of several long thin steel bars, we can put S-hooks under these and store all of our pots, pans, strainers, utensils, etc on them in an easy-to-reach space.
We also have a shelf just outside the kitchen that stores our slow cooker, pressure cooker, coffee maker, rice cooker, mixer, blender, bread maker, and soda stream, with all our Ball jars up top. This way when we are finished using the cookers (even if the inner pots/crocks are dirty) we put the big hulk back on the shelf to reclaim our counter space once more. Sorry for foam.

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Re: Overheard at Work
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16595 on: January 25, 2017, 12:47:08 PM »
I prepare food in the 2 ft x 2 ft space between my stove and sink. Much of which is taken up by an Instant Pot. It is incredibly frustrating, and I don't begrudge anyone who prefers not to deal with it.

That sounds maddening.  Could you get a little rolling cart or small table for the Instant Pot?  We have a little rolling cart that stores the dried beans and DBF's coffee things.

If the ceiling isn't too high, have you considered getting or making a rack that allows you to suspend pots, pans and other larger items from it? I've known people who have done this over the sink or over the counter area. I don't recommend putting them over your stove because they will get filthy from the spatters that happen when food gets cooked.

Man I hate those things, and things hanging from the ceiling in general. My family is short, with me being the only (mild, 6'1) exception. I have to bob and weave whenever I go home.  I'm not sure how they even make sense for a short person. If they're high enough so you won't run into them when leaning over a counter/stove, doesn't that make them a pain to reach?

No more than cabinets, really. It's an optimization exercise but it does require some design and planning.

The idea is to hang the pots and pans at a height where the lowest point is about an inch above your head, wherever that happens to be. But something hanging at 6'1" can still be easily and safely grasped by a person 5' tall if it's overhead or within easy reach of the edge of the counter. Putting it overhead in the middle of, say, a kitchen island will make it difficult for a short person. So the idea many people have of putting the racks or hooks right next to a wall with a counter in front is not good.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16596 on: January 25, 2017, 03:21:30 PM »
Yes, I'm going to be "that guy," but as there is now a thread for Tiny Kitchens, can we please go back to mocking our co-workers' unmustachian behaviors?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16597 on: January 25, 2017, 04:38:02 PM »
Sure! I'll offer up what I think is a pretty rough story. I've worked with a particular co-worker for about 5 years now. While this was not apparent to me immediately, I realized that both he and his wife eat out for nearly every single meal, every single day.

They both work and have to commute, so I think it's done partially out of convenience and partially out of loving the "dining-out" experience.

I don't think they eat at fancy restaurants most of the time. But they eat out at least once per day and sometimes on the weekends. I've picked up on this from casual conversations over time.

This lead me to do some rough calculations. I think this is a fairly conservative estimate: $10/meal x 2 people x 5 days/week x 2 times/day x 52 weeks = $10,400/year

Wow. Mind Blown.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16598 on: January 25, 2017, 06:44:02 PM »
Since I'm self-employed, it's more of a 'heard from clients'.

One older couple is lovely, great people, always nice. I figure they're probably in their early 60's. The husband sells real estate, and the wife just got a new office job since I guess real estate has been slow. They went away a month or so ago, and I took care of the dog. She had to wait for the new job's first paycheck to be able to start paying off the vacation bill (with a few other walks), of $400. I can't even. How do you know you're living on a wildly fluctuating income and not have even a tiny buffer?? I would be nauseous with that little flexibility.

And from another client (not for the first time), I'll let the picture speak for itself. (If I can get it to appear)

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #16599 on: January 26, 2017, 06:02:45 AM »
One of my close coworkers keeps talking about how he wants to save more money this year and spend less. Of course, he is still buying lunch from the cafeteria every day of the week instead of packing food (at $6-10/day).  And this is after he spent a ton of money last year on ... Cooking classes!  *facepalm*