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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15550 on: November 01, 2016, 02:40:27 PM »
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On Friday, a certain senior manager stopped by my cube while I was finishing up a draft of our weekly report. I told him that I could add the final piece of XYZ missing information to a report via a 5-minute phone call to my counterpart in the organization that produced that section.

My organization being what it is, people thinking the way they do, he decided it was better to stand over me while dictating a phone call to a higher-ranking guy in the same shop, then give up and drag us both to his office while they debated for half an hour over how to write... a single sentence.

FTR, I called the 30-min duration in my head, in advance - that is how predictably inefficient this guy is with time.

The single sentence, which I had already proposed in concept, and which really could not have ended up much differently than it did, was something along the lines of "we are awaiting a decision by (other agency) on this proposal." Because that's what was happening at the time, and nothing else. But, the more people you get involved in these things, the longer it takes.

Because these guys are both so much higher than I am in the chain, I knew in advance that I wouldn't really be part of the conversation. This could be really frustrating on some level, but I managed to take the same approach as above. At least I wasn't under the gun for any other deadlines, the chairs up there are comfy, and I was getting about forty bucks an hour to lean back in said chair and stay just awake enough to engage, if/when invited. No need to be mad, except as a taxpayer....

In my last job, we needed information from another department for a weekly report.

It could have been emailed instantly.

Instead, my boss, who had inefficiency down to an art form, would take a pen and notebook to another floor, sit down with the PA of the manager whose info we required, have them recite it aloud, write it down, come back to our floor, summon me and another colleague to a meeting, and recite the information with the expectation that we would write it down. Then he would ask me (the only woman) to type it up for the office.

This was not decades ago, it was earlier this year.

I (barely) tolerated this twice. His fragile ego would never permit him to listen to my suggestions, so I went around him to the PA and arranged for her to email me the info each week.

That freed up a couple of hours a week for him to smoke, get coffee and monologue.
BAHAHA! Nice work! That reminds me....

We have another senior manager who loves to call my director up into meetings to talk about products (which already exist in electronic form) and rattle off a bunch of changes while D struggles to keep up taking notes. Then D comes down, drags me off to a conference room, and tries to decipher everything he wrote down, usually with about a 50-75% success rate, and I have to make best guesses in MY notes, which I then take back to my desk and implement.

But usually, things are wrong and end up feeding back into another cycle of meetings.

Because a guy doesn't want to edit a file.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15551 on: November 01, 2016, 03:38:18 PM »

I couldn't help but wonder how many weekends he puts the same in but doesn't win anything.

Gambling/the lottery is a tax on people who are bad at math.

I have to disagree. Listening to the people I know who have bought lottery tickets, there is a entertainment or communal aspect to it. Watching the tube for the results live and then reading news stories of the lucky winner derives them benefit. Casinos are a clearer example of this phenomon. There are people who will go to a casino with twenty or one hundred dollars without the expectation to win but with the thought that they'll play on the dime slot machines or cheap tables and be entertained for the evening with free pop, free snacks, bright lights, and the buzz of lots of people laughing and having a good time.

And even though I'd never buy a lottery ticket, I'd contend that its not mathematically/economically insensible to buy a lottery ticket. For most people, what will they spend that 5$ bill on? Some useless tchotchke that will be thrown in the back of a closet. So the cost of a lottery ticket is functionally zero (that 5$ was going to be wasted anyway) and the potential payout is infinite. By infinite I mean that my big-name local lottery has an aftertax payout of 800x the average yearly aftertax salary in the area.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15552 on: November 01, 2016, 03:44:00 PM »
And even though I'd never buy a lottery ticket, I'd contend that its not mathematically/economically insensible to buy a lottery ticket. For most people, what will they spend that 5$ bill on? Some useless tchotchke that will be thrown in the back of a closet. So the cost of a lottery ticket is functionally zero (that 5$ was going to be wasted anyway) and the potential payout is infinite with reasonable unreasonable spending.
I don't know.  Perhaps you could make a similar argument about eating out or buying tchotchkes, but gambling can be a real addiction that people need to seek out therapy and treatment for. It seems like it's playing with fire to start gambling, even in small amounts, disposable income aside. 

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15553 on: November 01, 2016, 04:13:50 PM »
Yeah, the smugness from the "I'm way too smart to play the lotto" crowd is tedious when it's directed towards the "buy 3 tickets a year when Powerball goes over $500M" players. You want to yell at the $50/wk people, absolutely, but the whole drop $2 on a whim for a big jackpot, who cares?  I used to joke that back when I drank soda, I'd occasionally go in to the gas station and get a Coke and ticket, and the ticket was the much more responsible purchase.

That's funny, I frequently use soda for an example the other way - "I'd rather spend $2 on a delicious, ice cold drink than on a useless scrap of paper".

I wonder if the whole "dreaming of riches" thing is way less common in Mustachians. I mean, when you already either have a big pile of money, or are making fast and measurable progress towards that pile, you're already seeing a definite finish line for needing to work.
I think its more the difference between those people who can stick to plans and those who need immediate gratification.


Also on the lottery:
Why you buy at big jackpots?
If you win a small with 10 million, you have made it and can live in luxury for the rest of your life.
If you win a big one with 200 million, you have made it and can live in luxury for the rest of your life.

So if both are the same, why play when the competition is fiercest?

$10M wouldn't do it for me; beachfront house on Maui is probably $5-10M itself. :-P

Well played sir.

... and THAT is why Mustachians aren't even tempted to play the small lotteries.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15554 on: November 01, 2016, 05:21:28 PM »
I'll admit that I actually enjoy going to the Casino once a year on my birthday. It may be contrary to most views on the forums, but I enjoy giving myself 200-300 to enjoy on the blackjack tables. I never spend more than that, and I typically go home with 1k or so more than I started with by the end of the night. Then again, I grew up playing cards with friends and family.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15555 on: November 01, 2016, 05:55:35 PM »
I typically go home with 1k or so more than I started with by the end of the night.

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Can't let that one slide, sorry.  :)
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15556 on: November 01, 2016, 08:03:42 PM »

I couldn't help but wonder how many weekends he puts the same in but doesn't win anything.

Gambling/the lottery is a tax on people who are bad at math.

Casinos are a clearer example of this phenomon. There are people who will go to a casino with twenty or one hundred dollars without the expectation to win but with the thought that they'll play on the dime slot machines or cheap tables and be entertained for the evening with free pop, free snacks, bright lights, and the buzz of lots of people laughing and having a good time.

Exactly what the wife and I do! We go to the boat 2-3 times a year, each with $100 with the expectation that we will spend it all. We rarely do (usually one of us will do alright and we leave when the other runs out), and we have a great night out. Occasionally we will leave while we're ahead - this last time I hit a $1200 slot jackpot - which is great, but we'd have been fine leaving with nothing. It's occasional entertainment, no worse than going out to dinner and a movie - at least for us.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15557 on: November 01, 2016, 09:18:08 PM »
I typically go home with 1k or so more than I started with by the end of the night.

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Can't let that one slide, sorry.  :)

I'm still sad you never did bet half a year's salary on Black.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15558 on: November 02, 2016, 03:15:42 AM »
I typically go home with 1k or so more than I started with by the end of the night.

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Can't let that one slide, sorry.  :)

Lol, typically, but not always :)

I admit it's dumb, but we all have something dumb we enjoy.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15559 on: November 02, 2016, 05:16:48 AM »


I typically go home with 1k or so more than I started with by the end of the night.

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Can't let that one slide, sorry.  :)

Lol, typically, but not always :)

I admit it's dumb, but we all have something dumb we enjoy.

Sure, I wasn't criticising the gambling, but the idea that you "typically" make money on it. :)

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15560 on: November 02, 2016, 05:21:18 AM »


I typically go home with 1k or so more than I started with by the end of the night.

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Can't let that one slide, sorry.  :)

Lol, typically, but not always :)

I admit it's dumb, but we all have something dumb we enjoy.

Sure, I wasn't criticising the gambling, but the idea that you "typically" make money on it. :)

You just gotta know when to walk away, and know when to run ;)

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15561 on: November 02, 2016, 06:10:11 AM »
BAHAHA! Nice work! That reminds me....

We have another senior manager who loves to call my director up into meetings to talk about products (which already exist in electronic form) and rattle off a bunch of changes while D struggles to keep up taking notes. Then D comes down, drags me off to a conference room, and tries to decipher everything he wrote down, usually with about a 50-75% success rate, and I have to make best guesses in MY notes, which I then take back to my desk and implement.

But usually, things are wrong and end up feeding back into another cycle of meetings.

Because a guy doesn't want to edit a file.

xD

We get a lot of vague IT requests from Gov Civilians and Uniformed Personnel. We told them that if you want it done right 99.5% of the time, within budget, you have to submit an IT Requirements Document, and have it digitally signed. If you can't fill out a simple 2 page document, you can't get any work done. And this is an ITIL requirement, which the command implemented a few years back. So it is a requirement to fulfill your own requirements. Done! Significantly cut the amount of BS requests at every rank, everything centralized. Needs a GS-15 or equivalent sign off. This is the one time I see a positive of bureaucracy. The right stuff gets done, the unneeded stuff is weeded out. And if they complain it wasn't done to their requirement, you just point to the paperwork and show them their requirement and scope that they filled and signed. It's also a CYA move.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15562 on: November 02, 2016, 09:52:11 AM »
Some of us actually do make a side hustle out of gambling.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15563 on: November 02, 2016, 11:14:56 AM »
So if both are the same, why play when the competition is fiercest?

I don't think that is how math works. 


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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15564 on: November 02, 2016, 11:19:44 AM »
Today two coworkers were showing off to each other their brand new SUV purchases to see who had the biggest/got the best deal.  The one with one kid bought a new Toyota Highlander.  The one with no kids at home got the Nissan Armada. 

There was also a really interesting conversation going on a couple weeks ago between two engineers in the office about 401k vs ESPP.  The one engineer doesn't participate at all in the 401k (we get 4% match) and was arguing that he'd rather do the ESPP (which he also doesn't currently participate in) than the 401k. 

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15565 on: November 02, 2016, 11:27:28 AM »
So if both are the same, why play when the competition is fiercest?

I don't think that is how math works.

In theory the more people that play, the more likely you are to split a jackpot than win it outright.

That said, I'd rather split $500M 3 ways than win $10M outright...

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15566 on: November 02, 2016, 11:48:29 AM »


I typically go home with 1k or so more than I started with by the end of the night.

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Can't let that one slide, sorry.  :)

Lol, typically, but not always :)

I admit it's dumb, but we all have something dumb we enjoy.

Sure, I wasn't criticising the gambling, but the idea that you "typically" make money on it. :)

Depending on the type of gambling.  I've heard people claim they typically make money, or are able to somehow beat the house at craps, roulette, and slots.  Those people are liars, or are delusional.  Playing poker has been very profitable to me over the years though.  I've made a lot of money in basement games, and also playing online.  I've played at the casino too, but it's too high stakes and too much competition, and I make far less on a per hour basis so it's not worth it for me to pursue playing at a casino for profit.  I don't have a long enough track record of playing in casinos to be able to claim I could personally make money doing that either.  I stopped playing online when it was outlawed, and though I've heard of loopholes of being able to get back online and play on certain sites I have never bothered trying.  I don't play basement games anymore because the group of guys I used to play with slowly disbanded as everyone grew up.  I definitely paid a chunk of my tuition with poker profits though.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15567 on: November 02, 2016, 01:03:46 PM »
My car died recently--it was a 2010 Hyundai Accent. Right now it's just me and my wife, with a baby on the way. I'm replacing it with a used hatchback (actually, another 2010 Hyundai Accent) with about 38k miles.

I've had multiple people ask me, when I was looking for cars, if I was getting an SUV because of the baby. Um, we're only having one.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15568 on: November 02, 2016, 01:16:47 PM »
My car died recently--it was a 2010 Hyundai Accent. Right now it's just me and my wife, with a baby on the way. I'm replacing it with a used hatchback (actually, another 2010 Hyundai Accent) with about 38k miles.

I've had multiple people ask me, when I was looking for cars, if I was getting an SUV because of the baby. Um, we're only having one.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15569 on: November 02, 2016, 01:27:13 PM »
My car died recently--it was a 2010 Hyundai Accent. Right now it's just me and my wife, with a baby on the way. I'm replacing it with a used hatchback (actually, another 2010 Hyundai Accent) with about 38k miles.

I've had multiple people ask me, when I was looking for cars, if I was getting an SUV because of the baby. Um, we're only having one.

Wait... your car died at only 6 years old and you're replacing it with the same thing? Or was it wrecked?

Somewhat related, I'm thinking about trading in my wife's car for a cheaper SUV since she can't seem to miss parking stops and keeps ripping the bumper off. But it would be a car-based SUV (i.e. Highlander or RX330)

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15570 on: November 02, 2016, 01:44:01 PM »

At some point I started refusing. At some point you can't just keep saying "Yes, boss!" You're supposed to have a job description - you have an agreement that you will take X money to do do Y job. Is it really OK to hire someone to be a print production manager and then tell them to do accounting and insurance instead?

I agree with the above posters -- barring illegal discrimination situations, yes it's OK to ask someone to do a different job.  This thread is making me think that if I ever run a business, every job posting will say "As an employee, you will be expected to complete any business task provided by management.  Your primary tasks will be XYZ."  If someone says "that's not in my job description," I'll pull the job posting out of my desk.  I guess I'd be a crappy manager.

Funny, this reminds me of when I was a highly paid summer associate (internship) at a law firm.  Now, I was never personally asked to get a partner coffee, but some other interns were and complained about it.  I'm like, hey guys, if they want to pay me $100/hour to get them coffee, that's fine by me.*

*I would understand if it was something like "make the girl get the coffee" but it wasn't like that.  More like "the adults are talking can this guy sitting here not doing anything grab some coffee?"

Heh, I wouldn't want to work there.  I'm at a point in my career where I won't do entry-level stuff anymore (like telephone tech support). If I was told I'm now in a call queue for phone support, I would quit - potentially on the spot.

I'd get someone coffee for $100/hour, though. I had no idea that interns anywhere were paid $200k/year.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15571 on: November 02, 2016, 02:20:20 PM »

I'd get someone coffee for $100/hour, though. I had no idea that interns anywhere were paid $200k/year.

It was a bit of an exaggeration, but law students at big firms are paid for the summer at an annualized rate of $180k (not 100% sure, I was paid a bit less as a summer).  But once you factor in that much of the summer involves long lunches and fun activities, you probably actually make over $100 per hour of real work (yes, you do some).

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''Oh, you must have been here for our summer associate program,'' the Devil responds.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15572 on: November 02, 2016, 02:53:22 PM »
My car died recently--it was a 2010 Hyundai Accent. Right now it's just me and my wife, with a baby on the way. I'm replacing it with a used hatchback (actually, another 2010 Hyundai Accent) with about 38k miles.

I've had multiple people ask me, when I was looking for cars, if I was getting an SUV because of the baby. Um, we're only having one.

Wait... your car died at only 6 years old and you're replacing it with the same thing? Or was it wrecked?

It was a great car, I just drove the hell out of it. My driving habits prior to discovering MMM a few months ago were...not Mustachian. A few years of a 30 mile one way commute, plus a long distance relationship with a gf (now wife) in Western PA, while I was in Charlotte NC. I bought it with 35k miles, and managed to put over 120k miles on it in 5 years. So it had over 155k miles, and it needed a repair worth more than the car (timing belt broke, did engine damage). The car was a champ--I never put a dollar into that car for repairs, just maintenance. I probably could have gotten over 200k if I had known that they were still putting timing belts in 2010 models. I was setting aside money for a new car anyways, since my wife's car also had over 160k miles, so it seemed as good a time as any to replace it.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15573 on: November 02, 2016, 07:01:20 PM »
A popular joke going around New York City law firms this summer tells of an old man who is accidentally sent to hell, only to be surprised by its splendor and tranquility.

Suddenly, he finds himself back on earth, where he commits every possible sin until he is banished to hell again. But this time it is as cruel as he had once imagined and he asks the Devil what happened.

''Oh, you must have been here for our summer associate program,'' the Devil responds.

LOL, totally!

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15574 on: November 02, 2016, 07:35:06 PM »
me: how much did you spend?
her: $20,000
me: what did you BUY???
her: clothes
me: (to myself) WTF!!!! (to her) oh was there a sale?
her: (serious) No.
me: Oh.... (to myself WTFFFFFFFFFF)

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15575 on: November 02, 2016, 08:25:13 PM »

Uuughhh people. What a load of total crap they talk. You have to have a certain number of x chromosomes to be allowed to bake cookies huh. My boyfriend bakes amazing cakes and cookies all the time and I 100% support this. Only for gender equality reasons obviously ;)

Your (ex) colleagues don't deserve cookies.

My husband is the official sewer/mender.  I support it solely for gender equality reasons and not for the health of my fingerpads or general laziness.

I'm in the same situation ... my husband is the "house husband" I work he stays at home and does everything ... EVERYTHING!!!! I love him and I am sooooo lucky lol... :) but he bakes/sews/even hangs laundry outside!!! he's so Mustachian he puts me to shame!

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15576 on: November 02, 2016, 09:54:50 PM »

At some point I started refusing. At some point you can't just keep saying "Yes, boss!" You're supposed to have a job description - you have an agreement that you will take X money to do do Y job. Is it really OK to hire someone to be a print production manager and then tell them to do accounting and insurance instead?

I agree with the above posters -- barring illegal discrimination situations, yes it's OK to ask someone to do a different job.  This thread is making me think that if I ever run a business, every job posting will say "As an employee, you will be expected to complete any business task provided by management.  Your primary tasks will be XYZ."  If someone says "that's not in my job description," I'll pull the job posting out of my desk.  I guess I'd be a crappy manager.

Funny, this reminds me of when I was a highly paid summer associate (internship) at a law firm.  Now, I was never personally asked to get a partner coffee, but some other interns were and complained about it.  I'm like, hey guys, if they want to pay me $100/hour to get them coffee, that's fine by me.*

Heh, I wouldn't want to work there.  I'm at a point in my career where I won't do entry-level stuff anymore (like telephone tech support). If I was told I'm now in a call queue for phone support, I would quit - potentially on the spot.

I wouldn't work for such a company either. Employees are not slaves or commodities. With the exception of dead-end jobs, part of their compensation package is the fact that they're advancing their chosen career trajectory. Take that away and they'll eventually walk.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15577 on: November 03, 2016, 06:08:23 AM »
biggest problem with trying to play the lottery is that i don;t seem to find myself in places that sell lottery tickets - or i forget they sell tickets. too distracted by hunting down food bargains!!

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15578 on: November 03, 2016, 07:51:26 AM »

I couldn't help but wonder how many weekends he puts the same in but doesn't win anything.

Gambling/the lottery is a tax on people who are bad at math.


This is so offensive! (Sarcasm for those with broken detectors.) I am TERRIBLE at math, but I know better than to waste money thinking I'll win big!


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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15579 on: November 03, 2016, 07:52:37 AM »
me: how much did you spend?
her: $20,000
me: what did you BUY???
her: clothes
me: (to myself) WTF!!!! (to her) oh was there a sale?
her: (serious) No.
me: Oh.... (to myself WTFFFFFFFFFF)

There was an episode of The Profit once where Lemonis partnered with a clothing boutique.  The first thing he did was pile up the massive amount of outdated inventory and sold it in bulk for pennies on the dollar.  Maybe that's what your coworker bought. 

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« Reply #15580 on: November 03, 2016, 10:03:52 AM »
me: how much did you spend?
her: $20,000
me: what did you BUY???
her: clothes
me: (to myself) WTF!!!! (to her) oh was there a sale?
her: (serious) No.
me: Oh.... (to myself WTFFFFFFFFFF)

There was an episode of The Profit once where Lemonis partnered with a clothing boutique.  The first thing he did was pile up the massive amount of outdated inventory and sold it in bulk for pennies on the dollar.  Maybe that's what your coworker bought.

They did this at blue jeans bar I believe.

Definitely my favorite show for the sarcasm. Life or Debt was a great one, but it got cancelled after one season.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15581 on: November 03, 2016, 11:01:03 AM »

I couldn't help but wonder how many weekends he puts the same in but doesn't win anything.

Gambling/the lottery is a tax on people who are bad at math.

Gambling is a tax on those who are desperate enough to not care what the math works out to.  I would guess most people who play a lot actually can do the math and if they did, would keep playing anyway. 

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15582 on: November 03, 2016, 04:36:51 PM »

I couldn't help but wonder how many weekends he puts the same in but doesn't win anything.

Gambling/the lottery is a tax on people who are bad at math.


This is so offensive! (Sarcasm for those with broken detectors.) I am TERRIBLE at math, but I know better than to waste money thinking I'll win big!


I'm just waiting for the day my cat goes viral and I can rake in that Famous Internet Cat money.

There is a book about financial freedom through cat videos: https://www.amazon.co.uk/How-Make-Your-Internet-Celebrity/dp/1594746796

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15583 on: November 04, 2016, 08:47:51 AM »

I couldn't help but wonder how many weekends he puts the same in but doesn't win anything.

Gambling/the lottery is a tax on people who are bad at math.


This is so offensive! (Sarcasm for those with broken detectors.) I am TERRIBLE at math, but I know better than to waste money thinking I'll win big!


I'm just waiting for the day my cat goes viral and I can rake in that Famous Internet Cat money.

There is a book about financial freedom through cat videos: https://www.amazon.co.uk/How-Make-Your-Internet-Celebrity/dp/1594746796


I love that this exists, but I love Amazon's recommendations even more. Customers who bought this book also bought:
  • Crafting with Cat Hair
  • I Could Pee on This
  • How to Tell if Your Cat is Plotting to Kill You
My library doesn't have it, but I think I need it.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15584 on: November 04, 2016, 08:50:27 AM »
I love that this exists, but I love Amazon's recommendations even more. Customers who bought this book also bought:
  • Crafting with Cat Hair
  • I Could Pee on This
  • How to Tell if Your Cat is Plotting to Kill You
My library doesn't have it, but I think I need it.

I have read all three of these books.  I am so proud.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15585 on: November 04, 2016, 09:45:34 AM »
Director-level colleague 1: "But we can't make this decision right now! What if it's the WRONG DECISION??!"
Me: "... then we step back on it, it costs us the time needed to make the transition (roughly 20 hours of the secretary's time, for the record), and we find another option to fix our problems. But right now, this is the best option presented with the information we have. We're doing it."
Director-level colleague 2: "But we can't make decisions without being absolutely sure they're the right ones!!"

For fuck's sake, ladies. We are all directors here. We are literally paid money to make decisions under situations of uncertainty. The more uncertainty, the more money. This is actually our role. If you want a role in which everything is clear-cut and nothing will ever change, try training as the accounting technician -  that's her personality and she's marvelously well-suited for the role.

We are NEVER going to have 100% accurate information on all our options. The best we can do is get all the information we can, and make the best decisions we can based on the information available. At a certain point, decision paralysis ALSO costs money/time/opportunity. If the wrong decisions will cost millions, sure, sit on it a bit. But something this easily reversible if it goes wrong?? Guys. Come ON. Make a call and move on. Your salary is wasted on this shit.

*frustraaaation*

God I can't wait for my maternity leave... at least a baby has a REASON to be irrational and cranky and not make decisions.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15586 on: November 04, 2016, 04:33:42 PM »
Director-level colleague 1: "But we can't make this decision right now! What if it's the WRONG DECISION??!"
Me: "... then we step back on it, it costs us the time needed to make the transition (roughly 20 hours of the secretary's time, for the record), and we find another option to fix our problems. But right now, this is the best option presented with the information we have. We're doing it."
Director-level colleague 2: "But we can't make decisions without being absolutely sure they're the right ones!!"

For fuck's sake, ladies. We are all directors here. We are literally paid money to make decisions under situations of uncertainty. The more uncertainty, the more money. This is actually our role. If you want a role in which everything is clear-cut and nothing will ever change, try training as the accounting technician -  that's her personality and she's marvelously well-suited for the role.

We are NEVER going to have 100% accurate information on all our options. The best we can do is get all the information we can, and make the best decisions we can based on the information available. At a certain point, decision paralysis ALSO costs money/time/opportunity. If the wrong decisions will cost millions, sure, sit on it a bit. But something this easily reversible if it goes wrong?? Guys. Come ON. Make a call and move on. Your salary is wasted on this shit.

*frustraaaation*

God I can't wait for my maternity leave... at least a baby has a REASON to be irrational and cranky and not make decisions.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15587 on: November 04, 2016, 05:12:07 PM »
For the record, I assumed she was talking about a male director even with the ladies comment. But then maybe that just indicates my own gender bias...  ugh.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15588 on: November 04, 2016, 05:49:23 PM »
Director-level colleague 1: "But we can't make this decision right now! What if it's the WRONG DECISION??!"
Me: "... then we step back on it, it costs us the time needed to make the transition (roughly 20 hours of the secretary's time, for the record), and we find another option to fix our problems. But right now, this is the best option presented with the information we have. We're doing it."
Director-level colleague 2: "But we can't make decisions without being absolutely sure they're the right ones!!"

For fuck's sake, ladies. We are all directors here. We are literally paid money to make decisions under situations of uncertainty. The more uncertainty, the more money. This is actually our role. If you want a role in which everything is clear-cut and nothing will ever change, try training as the accounting technician -  that's her personality and she's marvelously well-suited for the role.

We are NEVER going to have 100% accurate information on all our options. The best we can do is get all the information we can, and make the best decisions we can based on the information available. At a certain point, decision paralysis ALSO costs money/time/opportunity. If the wrong decisions will cost millions, sure, sit on it a bit. But something this easily reversible if it goes wrong?? Guys. Come ON. Make a call and move on. Your salary is wasted on this shit.

*frustraaaation*

God I can't wait for my maternity leave... at least a baby has a REASON to be irrational and cranky and not make decisions.

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The gender adds a great deal in my ability to construct this scene in my mind.

Your comment detracts from positive discussion.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15589 on: November 04, 2016, 06:24:16 PM »
Director-level colleague 1: "But we can't make this decision right now! What if it's the WRONG DECISION??!"
Me: "... then we step back on it, it costs us the time needed to make the transition (roughly 20 hours of the secretary's time, for the record), and we find another option to fix our problems. But right now, this is the best option presented with the information we have. We're doing it."
Director-level colleague 2: "But we can't make decisions without being absolutely sure they're the right ones!!"

For fuck's sake, ladies. We are all directors here. We are literally paid money to make decisions under situations of uncertainty. The more uncertainty, the more money. This is actually our role. If you want a role in which everything is clear-cut and nothing will ever change, try training as the accounting technician -  that's her personality and she's marvelously well-suited for the role.

We are NEVER going to have 100% accurate information on all our options. The best we can do is get all the information we can, and make the best decisions we can based on the information available. At a certain point, decision paralysis ALSO costs money/time/opportunity. If the wrong decisions will cost millions, sure, sit on it a bit. But something this easily reversible if it goes wrong?? Guys. Come ON. Make a call and move on. Your salary is wasted on this shit.

*frustraaaation*

God I can't wait for my maternity leave... at least a baby has a REASON to be irrational and cranky and not make decisions.

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Kitsune is a lady.  I assumed that her use of "ladies" indicated that the directors were, in fact, ladies.  Would you have preferred "youse guys"?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15590 on: November 04, 2016, 06:59:01 PM »
For the record, I assumed she was talking about a male director even with the ladies comment. But then maybe that just indicates my own gender bias...  ugh.

Yes, that would be your bias. And if the directors were in fact male, then calling them 'ladies' as a derogatory term would be grossly inappropriate as well.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15591 on: November 04, 2016, 07:02:32 PM »
"Youse all yall" to just combine a few tropes.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15592 on: November 04, 2016, 07:10:28 PM »
For the record, I assumed she was talking about a male director even with the ladies comment. But then maybe that just indicates my own gender bias...  ugh.

Yes, that would be your bias. And if the directors were in fact male, then calling them 'ladies' as a derogatory term would be grossly inappropriate as well.

Um, they're all women. As am I. The "ladies" comment was just more biologically accurate than "guys", seeing as none of the, are, in fact, guys.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15593 on: November 04, 2016, 07:33:27 PM »
For the record, I assumed she was talking about a male director even with the ladies comment. But then maybe that just indicates my own gender bias...  ugh.

Yes, that would be your bias. And if the directors were in fact male, then calling them 'ladies' as a derogatory term would be grossly inappropriate as well.

Um, they're all women. As am I. The "ladies" comment was just more biologically accurate than "guys", seeing as none of the, are, in fact, guys.

I'm with you, Kitsune.  People who really struggle to make decisions after reasonable/due diligence (not no-rock-unturned diligence) should not be at the director level.  It drives me crazy when there's sufficient information available -- or at least the best information that can be had at the time a decision needs to be made -- and yet some people just can't set the direction.  Not everyone has the skill-set to make the tough decisions and then take accountability for it, and that's fine, not everyone has to.  But if you're going to be a successful director, those skills are necessary.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15594 on: November 04, 2016, 11:21:01 PM »
It's benefits re-enrollment time at my work.
They have revamped the structure of the benefit packages..

Darn health, dental and LTD benefits are going up by $1800 a year.  Ouch.   Some employees will revert to their SO's benefit packages, so it won't be bad for them, but for many, our company was the "solid benefits" employers, and the SO's have little in benefits.

Oh, and the average pay increase for the whole office is only 1.5% this year....  So, for someone making only $70k a year, that would be a net loss of about 1.5% in take home pay versus last year.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15595 on: November 04, 2016, 11:22:24 PM »
Thanks for playing!


My post was a joke regarding a thread where a moderator edited someone's post because they used gender stereotypes.

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« Reply #15596 on: November 04, 2016, 11:48:31 PM »
Thanks for playing!


My post was a joke regarding a thread where a moderator edited someone's post because they used gender stereotypes.

Ahh.. you should have used a more prominent color than black for your text.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15597 on: November 05, 2016, 09:27:09 AM »
For the record, I assumed she was talking about a male director even with the ladies comment. But then maybe that just indicates my own gender bias...  ugh.

Yes, that would be your bias. And if the directors were in fact male, then calling them 'ladies' as a derogatory term would be grossly inappropriate as well.

Calling a mixed group ladies wouldn't be all that different from calling a mixed group guys. And even if my unconscious assumption about the director's gender had been correct, it would have been a mixed group because Kitsune is a woman. In any case, your tone is not appreciated as I already clearly acknowledged my error and was reflecting on it. That should warrant a pat on the back. Go direct your anger somewhere else.

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« Reply #15598 on: November 05, 2016, 11:17:59 AM »
Thanks for playing!


My post was a joke regarding a thread where a moderator edited someone's post because they used gender stereotypes.

Ahh.. you should have used a more prominent color than black for your text.

The lure can't be too obvious. Then people won't bite.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #15599 on: November 06, 2016, 05:58:03 AM »
Yeah, the smugness from the "I'm way too smart to play the lotto" crowd is tedious when it's directed towards the "buy 3 tickets a year when Powerball goes over $500M" players. You want to yell at the $50/wk people, absolutely, but the whole drop $2 on a whim for a big jackpot, who cares?  I used to joke that back when I drank soda, I'd occasionally go in to the gas station and get a Coke and ticket, and the ticket was the much more responsible purchase.

That's funny, I frequently use soda for an example the other way - "I'd rather spend $2 on a delicious, ice cold drink than on a useless scrap of paper".

I wonder if the whole "dreaming of riches" thing is way less common in Mustachians. I mean, when you already either have a big pile of money, or are making fast and measurable progress towards that pile, you're already seeing a definite finish line for needing to work.
I think its more the difference between those people who can stick to plans and those who need immediate gratification.


Also on the lottery:
Why you buy at big jackpots?
If you win a small with 10 million, you have made it and can live in luxury for the rest of your life.
If you win a big one with 200 million, you have made it and can live in luxury for the rest of your life.

So if both are the same, why play when the competition is fiercest?

$10M wouldn't do it for me; beachfront house on Maui is probably $5-10M itself. :-P

So get a beachfront house on the Big Island for $1M. :P