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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14950 on: September 09, 2016, 06:43:06 PM »
for a dog, she'd be too nervous about potential behavioural problems either from uncertain breeding or whatever potentially traumatic situation the dog may have been rescued for. I'm not sure I agree with her on those points but that was her reasoning anyway.

Not so much the unknown breeding, but the behavioral concerns over rescue dogs can be valid, but usually the places will be able to tell you what issues the dog has, and you can pick one that is likely to fit your home.  I adopted a 14 year old abused and abandoned rescue dog, which had the risk of having a plethora of psychological issues.  You just have to recognize that you're going to have to meet them halfway, maybe more than halfway, and be patient.  I would 100% get another rescue dog when I'm ready to have another dog.

awkward when my rescue dog doesn't like black people...

I've read that this is more about "you are different, I hate new things".  My dog also doesn't like black people....  or people who are disabled, or children, or people wearing a hat (though to be fair to the dog, how dare they)....  I don't think it's actually a reaction to a specific experience with a POC for most dogs, but general poor socialization.

Also if you want to adopt but have concerns about bahavior issues you should adopt from a foster group instead of a shelter.  The foster will be able to tell you a lot more about how the dog acts in a home than a shelter would, and there is usually a website with a long description of the dog available.  Our dog is from a shelter, and he's great, but if we did it again we would go with a foster dog.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14951 on: September 10, 2016, 06:52:45 AM »
Coworker is online trying to buy FOUR new Apple iPhone 7s. His whole family needs to be upgraded at the same time. Having trouble with the website it must be overloaded. WTF.  He can afford it, but wow.

I like having apple products because they work together seamlessly, but I am so over the endless cycle of buying shit when there is nothing wrong with the current shit in our hands.
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« Reply #14952 on: September 10, 2016, 08:34:35 AM »
for a dog, she'd be too nervous about potential behavioural problems either from uncertain breeding or whatever potentially traumatic situation the dog may have been rescued for. I'm not sure I agree with her on those points but that was her reasoning anyway.

Not so much the unknown breeding, but the behavioral concerns over rescue dogs can be valid, but usually the places will be able to tell you what issues the dog has, and you can pick one that is likely to fit your home.  I adopted a 14 year old abused and abandoned rescue dog, which had the risk of having a plethora of psychological issues.  You just have to recognize that you're going to have to meet them halfway, maybe more than halfway, and be patient.  I would 100% get another rescue dog when I'm ready to have another dog.

Most "rescue" places these days want you to fill out a 10 page application, sign away all rights to the animal (ie, they can come take it any time effectively at their whim) insist on a home visit audit, pay hundreds of dollars, provide vet records of all previous pets, et cetera, et cetera.

No wonder there are so many unclaimed rescues.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14953 on: September 10, 2016, 11:19:05 AM »
for a dog, she'd be too nervous about potential behavioural problems either from uncertain breeding or whatever potentially traumatic situation the dog may have been rescued for. I'm not sure I agree with her on those points but that was her reasoning anyway.

Not so much the unknown breeding, but the behavioral concerns over rescue dogs can be valid, but usually the places will be able to tell you what issues the dog has, and you can pick one that is likely to fit your home.  I adopted a 14 year old abused and abandoned rescue dog, which had the risk of having a plethora of psychological issues.  You just have to recognize that you're going to have to meet them halfway, maybe more than halfway, and be patient.  I would 100% get another rescue dog when I'm ready to have another dog.

Most "rescue" places these days want you to fill out a 10 page application, sign away all rights to the animal (ie, they can come take it any time effectively at their whim) insist on a home visit audit, pay hundreds of dollars, provide vet records of all previous pets, et cetera, et cetera.

No wonder there are so many unclaimed rescues.

Those are private rescue organizations. Generally your best bet is to adopt from the local pound or SPCA. They're much more reasonable.

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« Reply #14954 on: September 10, 2016, 11:56:00 AM »
All my animals except 1 has been rescued and I've never had to fill out more than a 2 page application.  The fees requested were usually just to cover vaccines and spay/neuter and usually amounted to less than $100.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14955 on: September 10, 2016, 12:04:42 PM »
Most "rescue" places these days want you to fill out a 10 page application, sign away all rights to the animal (ie, they can come take it any time effectively at their whim) insist on a home visit audit, pay hundreds of dollars, provide vet records of all previous pets, et cetera, et cetera.

No wonder there are so many unclaimed rescues.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14956 on: September 10, 2016, 03:24:24 PM »
Most "rescue" places these days want you to fill out a 10 page application, sign away all rights to the animal (ie, they can come take it any time effectively at their whim) insist on a home visit audit, pay hundreds of dollars, provide vet records of all previous pets, et cetera, et cetera.

No wonder there are so many unclaimed rescues.
The trick is not to pick each dog up and ask if they have another with more meat on it. Or ask how much per pound.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14957 on: September 10, 2016, 09:04:48 PM »
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14958 on: September 10, 2016, 09:59:23 PM »
for a dog, she'd be too nervous about potential behavioural problems either from uncertain breeding or whatever potentially traumatic situation the dog may have been rescued for. I'm not sure I agree with her on those points but that was her reasoning anyway.

Not so much the unknown breeding, but the behavioral concerns over rescue dogs can be valid, but usually the places will be able to tell you what issues the dog has, and you can pick one that is likely to fit your home.  I adopted a 14 year old abused and abandoned rescue dog, which had the risk of having a plethora of psychological issues.  You just have to recognize that you're going to have to meet them halfway, maybe more than halfway, and be patient.  I would 100% get another rescue dog when I'm ready to have another dog.

awkward when my rescue dog doesn't like black people...

I've read that this is more about "you are different, I hate new things".  My dog also doesn't like black people....  or people who are disabled, or children, or people wearing a hat (though to be fair to the dog, how dare they)....  I don't think it's actually a reaction to a specific experience with a POC for most dogs, but general poor socialization.

Also if you want to adopt but have concerns about bahavior issues you should adopt from a foster group instead of a shelter.  The foster will be able to tell you a lot more about how the dog acts in a home than a shelter would, and there is usually a website with a long description of the dog available.  Our dog is from a shelter, and he's great, but if we did it again we would go with a foster dog.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14959 on: September 11, 2016, 12:38:45 AM »
Most "rescue" places these days want you to fill out a 10 page application, sign away all rights to the animal (ie, they can come take it any time effectively at their whim) insist on a home visit audit, pay hundreds of dollars, provide vet records of all previous pets, et cetera, et cetera.

No wonder there are so many unclaimed rescues.

We didn't have any of those issues.  They did do a 'home inspection' in that the foster owner brought the dog over to drop her off, and I imagine would have turned around if the home seemed unfit.  But not of that other crap at all.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14960 on: September 11, 2016, 01:33:38 PM »
This whole foamy suggestion has got to be the lamest insurance fraud scam ever.

related to the foam: In college, I used to go and ask the pizza places (in person) for a pizza for delivery, and also asked to be delivered home with the pizza. Cheaper than the cab, and I got food.

That's... brilliant.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14961 on: September 11, 2016, 02:38:03 PM »
Most "rescue" places these days want you to fill out a 10 page application, sign away all rights to the animal (ie, they can come take it any time effectively at their whim) insist on a home visit audit, pay hundreds of dollars, provide vet records of all previous pets, et cetera, et cetera.

No wonder there are so many unclaimed rescues.

We didn't have any of those issues.  They did do a 'home inspection' in that the foster owner brought the dog over to drop her off, and I imagine would have turned around if the home seemed unfit.  But not of that other crap at all.

We've done two private group rescues. One just turned the dog over to us for a $100 fee. The other interviewed us (10 mins) and we met them and the dog. When everyone got along well, we were good to go for $200.

The dog had all it's medical checks and spaying done by the rescue group at a huge cost b/c they used A+ veterinarians. Dog had no problems. Dog came with a report that showed her check up and immunizations. I was hugely impressed. Came with dog supplies that exceeded the adoption fee too.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14962 on: September 12, 2016, 02:30:45 AM »
When my parents adopted cats it was £25 per cat (they got two sisters) and a fifteen minute home visit which was basically "Have you had cats before? Do you have any other pets? Where are they going to eat and sleep? Your garden looks nice!" My parents actually donated £100/cat because they were so impressed with the process and fostering system.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14963 on: September 12, 2016, 03:30:20 AM »
It took me a couple of months of casual reading to get through 304 pages...

Several examples from my work:

-CW1 is normally quite frugal (cuts own hair, function over fashion clothes etc).  Based on seniority earns >$150k.  Sensing a kindred spirit, spoke to them about saving/investing and learned that they were focussed only on paying off the house, which they had recently achieved but would now think about investing.  6 months later announced upgrade of home - twice as big with cellar and pool (and debt)....

-CW2 announced that he needed to get a car for the nanny.  Flagged a particular model (relatively budget).  Other colleagues proceeded to berate CW2 for being cheap and he agreed to get a more expensive brand (confirmed purchase in later convo)...

-The boss, complaining on cost of living lamented the impact of tax on the bonus, and servicing costs for his elevator (lives in 3 storey house plus basement)...

-in positive news, a fellow mustachian colleague announced his retirement earlier in the year, pre-40.  No one knew how he did it...

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« Reply #14964 on: September 12, 2016, 09:20:26 AM »
Add me to the list of people who've read every page of this thread while bored at work over the course of the last 6-ish months :)

We had a mandatory 401k meeting at work this morning. They are increasing the employer match from $0.25 for each $1 up to 4% to $0.25 of each $1 up to 8%. It's still kinda crap, but at least it's 2% now instead of 1%. Except apparently no one can figure out what those numbers mean, and no one knew what our match was before, and it's impossible to save 8%? I don't know, I haven't taken a math class since remedial college algebra in 2005 so I'm pretty sure it doesn't take some crazy math genius to be able to figure that out.

Oh well, it's still more money for me, even if no one else can save that much! ;)


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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14965 on: September 12, 2016, 09:58:11 AM »
I work in a union shop. What everyone makes is open knowledge because of the contract.

We have 5 people in my department.

The guy I'm thinking of is desperate to work 12 to 14 hours per day, 6 days per week and sometimes 7. He's making 50 bucks an hour on straight time. He showed me his take home for two weeks on one check, it was $5000.34. That check went to a huge house on the hill that he lives in by himself. The mortgage is nearly 5k per month.

He says that the OT is killing him, he doesn't know how much longer he can do it, etc etc. He's shopping for a new SUV, preferably a Lexus or BMW or Audi.

He puts 8k into 401k each year to get the matching 6k. He needs a new roof, new paint on the house, some outside work, his hot water tank just rusted out. It just keeps coming. His daughter declared she won't take the car he drives now for her first car when he buys his new one.

She must have a new car. She's 16 and has an image to protect.

I told him to sell that house, buy a camper and live at work. Shower in the locker room. Put 10k per month into 401k. Do that for 5 years and you are through.

He said no way he's selling that house. And he's got to keep working to pay for that roof, outside paint job, and the new vehicle he's soon to buy.

It hurts to watch!

I think it's a Bill Joel song - "If you can drive with a broken back at least you can polish the fenders"

Holy crap

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14966 on: September 12, 2016, 11:23:37 AM »
Add me to the list of people who've read every page of this thread while bored at work over the course of the last 6-ish months :)

We had a mandatory 401k meeting at work this morning. They are increasing the employer match from $0.25 for each $1 up to 4% to $0.25 of each $1 up to 8%. It's still kinda crap, but at least it's 2% now instead of 1%. Except apparently no one can figure out what those numbers mean, and no one knew what our match was before, and it's impossible to save 8%? I don't know, I haven't taken a math class since remedial college algebra in 2005 so I'm pretty sure it doesn't take some crazy math genius to be able to figure that out.

Oh well, it's still more money for me, even if no one else can save that much! ;)

Perhaps your options are better than mine..... I have a dollar-for-dollar match up to six percent so the fact that we only have high-fee mutual fund choices doesn't bother me. At a dollar-for-four up to eight percent, I hope you have some good choices.

"no one knew what our match was before, and it's impossible to save 8%?"

Do you colleges not know that they get an income tax deduction putting money into their 401K? In Canada our analogue is the RRSP and giving 8% of pre-tax dollars only affects take-home pay by 5.2%. Less if you have children (ex. if you make 80K and have one child, I think the number would be around 3.2%).

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14967 on: September 12, 2016, 11:26:26 AM »
 Another guy at my job was complaining on payday last week. He is 30 years old. He is paying for two brand-new cars, paying for a house, has a live-in girlfriend that contributes 500 bucks a month and has $10,000 in credit card debt. He makes over $100,000 a year and he is complaining that he's always broke because he's trying to pay off credit cards. That's the only reason he's broke, you see. He has that credit card debt. No other reason.

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« Reply #14968 on: September 12, 2016, 11:31:47 AM »
Do you colleagues not know that they get an income tax deduction putting money into their 401K?

But how would I be able to spend it if I put it in a 401k??? I would guess at least half of working adults don't fully understand how income tax works and the real benefit of saving ~30 cents in tax for every dollar deferred.
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« Reply #14969 on: September 12, 2016, 01:16:07 PM »
Another guy at my job was complaining on payday last week. He is 30 years old. He is paying for two brand-new cars, paying for a house, has a live-in girlfriend that contributes 500 bucks a month and has $10,000 in credit card debt. He makes over $100,000 a year and he is complaining that he's always broke because he's trying to pay off credit cards. That's the only reason he's broke, you see. He has that credit card debt. No other reason.

For CW's sake, I hope girlfriend doesn't disappear about the same time the balance on the CC goes to zero.

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« Reply #14970 on: September 12, 2016, 03:27:29 PM »
Another guy at my job was complaining on payday last week. He is 30 years old. He is paying for two brand-new cars, paying for a house, has a live-in girlfriend that contributes 500 bucks a month and has $10,000 in credit card debt. He makes over $100,000 a year and he is complaining that he's always broke because he's trying to pay off credit cards. That's the only reason he's broke, you see. He has that credit card debt. No other reason.

I can kinda sort-of understand why he is fooled into thinking that the CC is the only reason he is in debt. The other things you list he believes are necessary. He can also derive daily utility from them: they look nice and he puts his body in them. Whereas the CC debt is probably from things that no longer provide utility like past meals at restaurants, gas, gifts for other people, etc....

(If you noticed the sexual innuendo, thanks. If you didn't, please try to find it. I put lots of effort into it.)

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« Reply #14971 on: September 12, 2016, 03:29:55 PM »
(If you noticed the sexual innuendo, thanks. If you didn't, please try to find it. I put lots of effort into it.)

I applaud this.

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« Reply #14972 on: September 12, 2016, 04:33:18 PM »
Another guy at my job was complaining on payday last week. He is 30 years old. He is paying for two brand-new cars, paying for a house, has a live-in girlfriend that contributes 500 bucks a month and has $10,000 in credit card debt. He makes over $100,000 a year and he is complaining that he's always broke because he's trying to pay off credit cards. That's the only reason he's broke, you see. He has that credit card debt. No other reason.

I can kinda sort-of understand why he is fooled into thinking that the CC is the only reason he is in debt. The other things you list he believes are necessary. He can also derive daily utility from them: they look nice and he puts his body in them. Whereas the CC debt is probably from things that no longer provide utility like past meals at restaurants, gas, gifts for other people, etc....

(If you noticed the sexual innuendo, thanks. If you didn't, please try to find it. I put lots of effort into it.)

I didn't notice it until you shamelessly plugged yourself...then I had to read it twice.

It's worse than I stated, though. She got an, ahem, 'augmentation' done which in his mind improves her appearance even more. He paid for half, so now he gets to say that she can't leave him, half of those belong to him.

She gets to go out with her friends often because he's working all the time. On the off chance he has a night off, he gets into serious trouble should he choose to go out with his buds to do what guys do on a night out.

Her twin sister has received a huge block of ice as an engagement ring. He is now expected to beat that and just can't believe how it just keeps coming. When will he EVER be free of this indebted life?

In his mind, he will be free when he gets a raise. Well, he already GOT a raise...by far...when he got this job. He immediately bought two vehicles and a house, plus a few other lower ticket toys. Why he thinks he will be free with another raise is beyond me. In this frame of non-mustachian mind, a raise just gives you the breathing room you need to afford the jet ski and the trailer. And you could probably swing the 80" 4k flatscreen, too, then.

But I can only mock so much. That was ME for too long.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14973 on: September 12, 2016, 04:38:25 PM »
Another guy at my job was complaining on payday last week. He is 30 years old. He is paying for two brand-new cars, paying for a house, has a live-in girlfriend that contributes 500 bucks a month and has $10,000 in credit card debt. He makes over $100,000 a year and he is complaining that he's always broke because he's trying to pay off credit cards. That's the only reason he's broke, you see. He has that credit card debt. No other reason.

For CW's sake, I hope girlfriend doesn't disappear about the same time the balance on the CC goes to zero.

Exactly. From what I've heard, they've been together 3 years and she is very high maintenance. I don't know what she'd do if he closed the sugar daddy valve in a desperate bid to get solvent. He's not even investing into 401k. Not a cent. Oh it kills me that he could stop this, get serious, and be FIRE if he wanted to be in ten years. Easy. Within 3 to 4 years he will be making in the low 50's per hour and all the OT he could ever want.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14974 on: September 12, 2016, 08:04:36 PM »
Add me to the list of people who've read every page of this thread while bored at work over the course of the last 6-ish months :)

We had a mandatory 401k meeting at work this morning. They are increasing the employer match from $0.25 for each $1 up to 4% to $0.25 of each $1 up to 8%. It's still kinda crap, but at least it's 2% now instead of 1%. Except apparently no one can figure out what those numbers mean, and no one knew what our match was before, and it's impossible to save 8%? I don't know, I haven't taken a math class since remedial college algebra in 2005 so I'm pretty sure it doesn't take some crazy math genius to be able to figure that out.

Oh well, it's still more money for me, even if no one else can save that much! ;)

Way to lean into it. Too bad you can't offer to take their match, too, if they aren't using it.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14975 on: September 12, 2016, 09:25:32 PM »
My coworker bought the brand new BMW to replace her recalled bug. I went and sat in ittoday, and it didn't seem that great.  Hope she can still retire in 2 years.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14976 on: September 12, 2016, 09:34:08 PM »
Coworker is online trying to buy FOUR new Apple iPhone 7s. His whole family needs to be upgraded at the same time. Having trouble with the website it must be overloaded. WTF.  He can afford it, but wow.

I like having apple products because they work together seamlessly, but I am so over the endless cycle of buying shit when there is nothing wrong with the current shit in our hands.

Tell your coworker I said thanks!

Also tell him that the 7+ in Jet Black with 128 or 256 gigs of memory is the best choice.

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« Reply #14977 on: September 13, 2016, 07:55:00 AM »
Coworker is online trying to buy FOUR new Apple iPhone 7s. His whole family needs to be upgraded at the same time. Having trouble with the website it must be overloaded. WTF.  He can afford it, but wow.

I like having apple products because they work together seamlessly, but I am so over the endless cycle of buying shit when there is nothing wrong with the current shit in our hands.

Tell your coworker I said thanks!

Also tell him that the 7+ in Jet Black with 128 or 256 gigs of memory is the best choice.
It is simply astonishing to me that Apple's flagship phone cost just a shade less than a cool grand.  And that's before you buy Apple's $160 ear buds or $30 case.  $1000.  For a phone. The mind boggles.

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« Reply #14978 on: September 13, 2016, 08:01:25 AM »
Coworker is online trying to buy FOUR new Apple iPhone 7s. His whole family needs to be upgraded at the same time. Having trouble with the website it must be overloaded. WTF.  He can afford it, but wow.

I like having apple products because they work together seamlessly, but I am so over the endless cycle of buying shit when there is nothing wrong with the current shit in our hands.

Tell your coworker I said thanks!

Also tell him that the 7+ in Jet Black with 128 or 256 gigs of memory is the best choice.
It is simply astonishing to me that Apple's flagship phone cost just a shade less than a cool grand.  And that's before you buy Apple's $160 ear buds or $30 case.  $1000.  For a phone. The mind boggles.

... And here I was feeling so luxurious with my Samsung S4+data plan.

You guys. It's an amazing camera (I've printed good-quality poster-sized images from photos taken on this phone), all my notes and lists, communication with everyone I care about in 3 different ways, my agenda, my books, the papers I read, apps for the communities I enjoy, music and videos to watch, maps and GPS, banking, tools for 2 side-gigs I run, access to almost all the information in the world, and it fits IN MY POCKET.

I STILL look at my phone and feel smugly pleased at everything I can do with it.

And was 1/3 of the price of the Apple phone, which, as far as I can tell, would perform the same function.


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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14979 on: September 13, 2016, 09:02:07 AM »
Coworker is online trying to buy FOUR new Apple iPhone 7s. His whole family needs to be upgraded at the same time. Having trouble with the website it must be overloaded. WTF.  He can afford it, but wow.

I like having apple products because they work together seamlessly, but I am so over the endless cycle of buying shit when there is nothing wrong with the current shit in our hands.

Tell your coworker I said thanks!

Also tell him that the 7+ in Jet Black with 128 or 256 gigs of memory is the best choice.
It is simply astonishing to me that Apple's flagship phone cost just a shade less than a cool grand.  And that's before you buy Apple's $160 ear buds or $30 case.  $1000.  For a phone. The mind boggles.
I sometimes think that.  Then I realize, that really - it's a computer.  When you put it in that context, it's not so crazy (I don't even remember what my first computer cost in 1995, a 486 or a Pentium).  Of course, you have to treat it like that (i.e., don't lose it or accidentally go swimming with it).

(For the record, when my most recent phone died - my first smart phone, my husband asked me if I wanted a new one.  The old one would *only* charge on the charger at home, and the charge would only last about as long as my work day.  I declined due to the cost of a new phone.  But then they went on sale a month or so later.  I have a Nexus, $250).

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14980 on: September 13, 2016, 09:22:29 AM »
Then again, my Republic Wireless phone was $99 and gives me nearly the same functionality.

Not all the bells/whistles and a worse camera, but for $900 I'll take it.

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« Reply #14981 on: September 13, 2016, 09:25:55 AM »
Coworker is online trying to buy FOUR new Apple iPhone 7s. His whole family needs to be upgraded at the same time. Having trouble with the website it must be overloaded. WTF.  He can afford it, but wow.

I like having apple products because they work together seamlessly, but I am so over the endless cycle of buying shit when there is nothing wrong with the current shit in our hands.

Tell your coworker I said thanks!

Also tell him that the 7+ in Jet Black with 128 or 256 gigs of memory is the best choice.
It is simply astonishing to me that Apple's flagship phone cost just a shade less than a cool grand.  And that's before you buy Apple's $160 ear buds or $30 case.  $1000.  For a phone. The mind boggles.

Uh huh! I feel decadent with my Samsung S7 that work bought me. My justification is that I do most of my work on my phone, and Skype with manufacturers so a premium phone is helpful.

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« Reply #14982 on: September 13, 2016, 09:30:53 AM »
Uh huh! I feel decadent with my Samsung S7 that work bought me. My justification is that I do most of my work on my phone, and Skype with manufacturers so a premium phone is helpful.
I understand the desire for a capable phone.  But $1k is simply astonishing to me.

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« Reply #14983 on: September 13, 2016, 09:33:27 AM »
Uh huh! I feel decadent with my Samsung S7 that work bought me. My justification is that I do most of my work on my phone, and Skype with manufacturers so a premium phone is helpful.
I understand the desire for a capable phone.  But $1k is simply astonishing to me.

My phone wasn't $1k.

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« Reply #14984 on: September 13, 2016, 09:55:27 AM »
Uh huh! I feel decadent with my Samsung S7 that work bought me. My justification is that I do most of my work on my phone, and Skype with manufacturers so a premium phone is helpful.
I understand the desire for a capable phone.  But $1k is simply astonishing to me.

My phone wasn't $1k.
I apologize if I came across that way.  My astonishment is at the price tag of the new top-of-the-line iPhone.

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« Reply #14985 on: September 13, 2016, 10:03:15 AM »
It is simply astonishing to me that Apple's flagship phone cost just a shade less than a cool grand.  And that's before you buy Apple's $160 ear buds or $30 case.  $1000.  For a phone. The mind boggles.
I sometimes think that.  Then I realize, that really - it's a computer.  When you put it in that context, it's not so crazy

I'll agree with that statement when I can put my phone in a docking station at work and at home and use it like a normal computer, and get rid of my desktop/laptop.  Ubuntu tried to do it, but failed.  They got close, so I think it'l happen soon, but until then it hasn't replaced the computer yet, so it's still just a fancy phone you can do a bunch of stuff on, imo.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14986 on: September 13, 2016, 11:19:59 AM »
$1000.  For a phone. The mind boggles.

I sometimes think that.  Then I realize, that really - it's a computer.  When you put it in that context, it's not so crazy

You can get a mini PC for well <$100, a netbook < $250. I'm quite surprised so many people are still willing to pay big amounts of money for premium products while computers and consumer electronics can be dirt cheap.
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« Reply #14987 on: September 13, 2016, 11:28:47 AM »
$1000.  For a phone. The mind boggles.

I'm often surprised that while computers (and consumer electronics in general) can be had so cheap (Mini PC <$100, Netbook < $200) so many people are still willing to pay vast amounts of money for the premium stuff.

When I first got into the computer business I was selling 360K Floppy drives for $1,500 each (circa 1983).  I had (government) customers at that time who were still winding their own core memories.  Moore's law in action!

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« Reply #14988 on: September 13, 2016, 11:59:45 AM »
Another guy at my job was complaining on payday last week. He is 30 years old. He is paying for two brand-new cars, paying for a house, has a live-in girlfriend that contributes 500 bucks a month and has $10,000 in credit card debt. He makes over $100,000 a year and he is complaining that he's always broke because he's trying to pay off credit cards. That's the only reason he's broke, you see. He has that credit card debt. No other reason.

I can kinda sort-of understand why he is fooled into thinking that the CC is the only reason he is in debt. The other things you list he believes are necessary. He can also derive daily utility from them: they look nice and he puts his body in them. Whereas the CC debt is probably from things that no longer provide utility like past meals at restaurants, gas, gifts for other people, etc....

(If you noticed the sexual innuendo, thanks. If you didn't, please try to find it. I put lots of effort into it.)

Ha - I appreciate your effort  :)

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14989 on: September 13, 2016, 12:02:20 PM »
Uh huh! I feel decadent with my Samsung S7 that work bought me. My justification is that I do most of my work on my phone, and Skype with manufacturers so a premium phone is helpful.
I understand the desire for a capable phone.  But $1k is simply astonishing to me.

My phone wasn't $1k.
I apologize if I came across that way.  My astonishment is at the price tag of the new top-of-the-line iPhone.

No problem.

Though I will say that I can definitely understand how someone else might be able to justify such a costly phone. My phone cost way more than another phone that could have gotten the job done, in my mind I reasoned that the added cost was worth it for the additional features. It also helps that I take good care of my phones, and should have this one for at least 2 years.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14990 on: September 13, 2016, 01:23:40 PM »
You can get a mini PC for well <$100, a netbook < $250. I'm quite surprised so many people are still willing to pay big amounts of money for premium products while computers and consumer electronics can be dirt cheap.

You can get an absolute garbage one, sure.

Mini PC for under $100? You're talking, what, a raspberry pi with a few addons? Or something of comparable processing power. Similarly, netbook under $250... come on.

Sure, if it's either that or go internet-less, these things are great. Or if you plan to run near bare metal, or on a very minimalist OS, they're obviously more powerful than the computers that people used to do great work. But if you try to run anything modern on it, it'll bog down and crap itself.

For $250, you're far better off buying a used real computer than a shite netbook.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14991 on: September 13, 2016, 01:47:42 PM »
You can get a mini PC for well <$100, a netbook < $250. I'm quite surprised so many people are still willing to pay big amounts of money for premium products while computers and consumer electronics can be dirt cheap.

You can get an absolute garbage one, sure.

Mini PC for under $100? You're talking, what, a raspberry pi with a few addons? Or something of comparable processing power. Similarly, netbook under $250... come on.

Sure, if it's either that or go internet-less, these things are great. Or if you plan to run near bare metal, or on a very minimalist OS, they're obviously more powerful than the computers that people used to do great work. But if you try to run anything modern on it, it'll bog down and crap itself.

For $250, you're far better off buying a used real computer than a shite netbook.

It really depends on what you will be using your computer for. My last laptop cost $350 and it's lasted me over 2.5 years. I tend to buy cheap laptops because I don't want to feel bad if I break them, and I don't need them to do anything exceptional, and so I can't justify spending big bucks for one. Work pays out of my laptop and I still buy a cheap one off Newegg.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14992 on: September 13, 2016, 01:59:24 PM »
For $250, you're far better off buying a used real computer than a shite netbook.

Used PC's can be had for free at nearly every office park from time to time.
Install Ubuntu on it, and you're set.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14993 on: September 13, 2016, 02:32:59 PM »
For $250, you're far better off buying a used real computer than a shite netbook.

Used PC's can be had for free at nearly every office park from time to time.
Install Ubuntu on it, and you're set.
How does one find these office parks and their curb dates?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14994 on: September 13, 2016, 02:43:07 PM »
Just ask around. They're not usually dumped on the curb of course.

Just ask someone working for a company with a lot of PC's.

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« Reply #14995 on: September 13, 2016, 03:22:57 PM »
Just ask around. They're not usually dumped on the curb of course.

Just ask someone working for a company with a lot of PC's.

Yup! A buddy of mine owns a tech company, I mentioned to him a week ago that I'm interested in a computer and he told me to come over, "I've got a few rooms full of old ones."

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« Reply #14996 on: September 13, 2016, 10:44:01 PM »
(If you noticed the sexual innuendo, thanks. If you didn't, please try to find it. I put lots of effort into it.)

I didn't notice it until you shamelessly plugged yourself...then I had to read it twice.


Good comeback there.   Being the good sport that you are, you didn't suggest he plug himself. :)

And kayvent, I'm sure a lot of the members here stand and salute you and your sense of humor

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14997 on: September 14, 2016, 01:18:40 AM »
CW1: OMG I went to get my hair done last night and almost cried when they gave me the bill, $250!

CW2: Oh but it looks nice though, and mine was $300!

CW3: (clearly sensing some competition was under way) That's nothing, mine was $450!

CW1: (turns and sees my jaw hitting the floor) Ha! And how much was yours ShanghaiMMM?

SHmmm: I cut it myself...

Holy crap. I am male and the three CW are female, just for reference. I know female cuts can be a lot more but wow. I feel very lucky I can avoid that particular social pressure.





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« Reply #14998 on: September 14, 2016, 02:01:24 AM »
It took me a couple of months of casual reading to get through 304 pages...

Several examples from my work:

-CW1 is normally quite frugal (cuts own hair, function over fashion clothes etc).  Based on seniority earns >$150k.  Sensing a kindred spirit, spoke to them about saving/investing and learned that they were focussed only on paying off the house, which they had recently achieved but would now think about investing.  6 months later announced upgrade of home - twice as big with cellar and pool (and debt)....

-CW2 announced that he needed to get a car for the nanny.  Flagged a particular model (relatively budget).  Other colleagues proceeded to berate CW2 for being cheap and he agreed to get a more expensive brand (confirmed purchase in later convo)...

-The boss, complaining on cost of living lamented the impact of tax on the bonus, and servicing costs for his elevator (lives in 3 storey house plus basement)...

-in positive news, a fellow mustachian colleague announced his retirement earlier in the year, pre-40.  No one knew how he did it...

most cws probably think he won the lottery or became the recipient of a large inheritance...

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« Reply #14999 on: September 14, 2016, 05:08:39 AM »
You can get a mini PC for well <$100, a netbook < $250. I'm quite surprised so many people are still willing to pay big amounts of money for premium products while computers and consumer electronics can be dirt cheap.

You can get an absolute garbage one, sure.

Mini PC for under $100? You're talking, what, a raspberry pi with a few addons? Or something of comparable processing power. Similarly, netbook under $250... come on.

Sure, if it's either that or go internet-less, these things are great. Or if you plan to run near bare metal, or on a very minimalist OS, they're obviously more powerful than the computers that people used to do great work. But if you try to run anything modern on it, it'll bog down and crap itself.

For $250, you're far better off buying a used real computer than a shite netbook.
If you just need a "Desktop" for normal office work (writing etc.) and nothing to carry around, and want to go cheap and small, you can have something like this (and not some big tower):
 http://up-shop.org/4-up-boards
It works fine and reliable, has official intel support and is basically the innards of a double+ as expensive smartphone, just without the screen - but with the possibility to use a real screen. (no fun to do excel on 6')