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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14600 on: August 20, 2016, 10:35:06 AM »

I am very tired of older employees who can't do the basics on a computer despite using computers daily since the 1980s. I didn't really pick up using computers 'til the 90s and I can do most anything with them.
oho boy, this is a tough one for me. 
First let me say that I've never experienced this kind of problem at work.  I've been working with software and specifically OS software since the early 1980s.  If I could go back to using DOS commands, I might do it in some cases.  But I've generally kept up well with the software and applications that I've used over the past few decades.  I don't have many problems there, but as an example, I rarely remember that I can search using voice rather than my fingers.  In fact, sometimes it's harder for me to compose sentences with my mouth rather than my fingers!
 
The social media aspect of computing though seems to be problematic for me.  A major reason is that I just don't care to spend a lot of time using or learning Facebook or Instagram or Snapchat or whatever the other SM apps are.  After trying to stay in touch with and communicate with my younger relatives though, I am a complete embarrassment!  I don't really do Facebook because I find it to be a colossal time suck and also because I truly am extremely private about what's going on in my life and I wish others were more so. 

When my nephew stayed with me, our best communication was over Snapchat.  I'm pretty sure he got more pictures of my feet than anything else.  When I wanted to send something to him, I wasn't practiced enough with it to be efficient and I missed all the moments I tried to capture. 
I think what younger people need to understand though is that taking the time to get proficient at something so that I can communicate with one age group, doesn't help me when 99% of the rest of my contacts communicate using a different medium. 

So while I get the frustration and accept the jokes, I'm also putting myself into the category of people who have pretty much given up on new technology when it comes to social media platforms.  There is so much to keep up with and it rarely benefits me. 

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14601 on: August 20, 2016, 11:07:52 AM »
Our condo building manager sends me Word doc reports where at the end of each line, she presses enter and then tabs in for the next line, so if you need to make any edits, then you have to re-do the f-ed up formatting.  She also has no idea how to use Excel, despite having had to use it for 5 years, so she prints out the spreadsheets and then complains that the typing is too small to read on paper.  I blew her mind the other day when I pointed out that the spreadsheet had two tabs of information, not just one.

Update:  Since I posted that, she sent me back a revised version of her report, as I had sent her my changes in "tracked changes."  She did not know you could "accept" the changes, so she printed out my version and spent an hour trying to type all my changes into her document, which obviously was less than accurate, not to mention inefficient.
I once asked a boss to use track changes. He didn't actually use Track Changes in the doc he sent me; he'd manually colored and underlined his additions and manually colored and struck through his deletions.

In my job I often dealt with the converse of this - someone wants a report or spreadsheet that summarizes a lot of information from various sources, and they want it on short notice. "Oh, by the way, I am giving a presentation to Group X, could you pull together an overview summary of Y?" 

I was so sick of this at the end, I actually said "do you know how long that will take?"
Them: "Oh, can't you just run a report?"
Me: "No, information a is in database a, information b us in database b which is not connected to a, etc. and I have to redact irrelevant records and reformat the output and add information that is not in any of the databases"
Them: "Oh" <blank stare>

These are all databases the fuckers were supposed to be using themselves, and information they were supposed to know, and they all had administrative assistants to run auto reports from the software they were supposed to know how to use anyway.

If it was 'just running a report' they should have known how to do it themselves, and even if they didn't, their admins knew how to run it. Glad I am out of there!

The really disturbing part of this is that this is information that they are then presenting as their work.  They get the recognition and personal advancement.  You do the work.  Nice, huh?
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14602 on: August 20, 2016, 08:25:07 PM »
...so she printed out my version and spent an hour trying to type all my changes into her document, which obviously was less than accurate, not to mention inefficient.

Can't copy/paste???? Occasionally I still meet adults who don't know this is a thing that any computer from the 80s and up can do... Hell, my kids know about this.

My brother writes reports for a living. He told me earlier in the week that he only just recently learned that CTRL+F allowed one to search for text. I don't blame people who don't know these things; the OS makers really have a fun time at introducing unintuitive keyboard shortcuts and gestures. Unless you know a keyboard shortcut exists or you expect it should exist, your only hope to learn them is if someone shows you.

The keyboard shortcut is shown after the action in the pull down menu. Actually, old timers (like me) should gravitate toward the keyboard shortcuts since that used to be almost the only option, because

...when I was young we didn't have any fancypants 'ribbon' or 'pull-down menu' .....

I remember when Word used to use Control-L for left align, Control-B for bold, Control-C for center, Control-U for underline, etc, etc.  Then someone in Redmond decided one fine day all that silly intuitive stuff should go away.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14603 on: August 20, 2016, 08:33:53 PM »
I remember when Word used to use Control-L for left align, Control-B for bold, Control-C for center, Control-U for underline, etc, etc.  Then someone in Redmond decided one fine day all that silly intuitive stuff should go away.

Hmmm, are you pulling our legs?  All of those still work that way except that Control-C is for copy (and Control-V for paste).

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14604 on: August 20, 2016, 09:46:08 PM »
I'm more worried about bed bugs lurking in the book covers. It only takes 5 seconds per book to look, and potentially saves you months of headaches.

Not that it's ever happened to me, but you know what they say about prevention...

I hate to validate quasi-phobias, but our library was recently closed for two days because of a bed-bug scare. They used bug sniffing dogs (yes, you read that right) to narrow down the problem to one wooden basket, which was destroyed.

Apparently, beg bugs are an issue for libraries nation wide (USA). Makes me glad to use the Paperwhite Kindle (highly recommended!) more and more (with library e-books).

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14605 on: August 20, 2016, 11:59:39 PM »
I remember when Word used to use Control-L for left align, Control-B for bold, Control-C for center, Control-U for underline, etc, etc.  Then someone in Redmond decided one fine day all that silly intuitive stuff should go away.

Hmmm, are you pulling our legs?  All of those still work that way except that Control-C is for copy (and Control-V for paste).

Control - E for centre now by the way

My brother writes reports for a living. He told me earlier in the week that he only just recently learned that CTRL+F allowed one to search for text. I don't blame people who don't know these things; the OS makers really have a fun time at introducing unintuitive keyboard shortcuts and gestures. Unless you know a keyboard shortcut exists or you expect it should exist, your only hope to learn them is if someone shows you.

As in Ctrl + F for FIND?

There are courses that people can attend, and as a manager I often give my staff the opportunity to attend basic Office Training to assist with their efficiency and understanding.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14606 on: August 21, 2016, 12:04:43 AM »
  Our condo building manager sends me Word doc reports where at the end of each line, she presses enter and then tabs in for the next line, so if you need to make any edits, then you have to re-do the f-ed up formatting. 

You may know this but not everyone knows this:
Use Ctrl + H to open Find/Replace. In the find box put ^p^t, in the replace box put one space.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14607 on: August 21, 2016, 12:40:51 AM »
  Our condo building manager sends me Word doc reports where at the end of each line, she presses enter and then tabs in for the next line, so if you need to make any edits, then you have to re-do the f-ed up formatting. 

You may know this but not everyone knows this:
Use Ctrl + H to open Find/Replace. In the find box put ^p^t, in the replace box put one space.

Oh, cool, a new trick, and it works!  I forgot, but she also has a habit of putting lots of spaces until she gets to the next line.  I don't even understand how it's possible to make such screwed up formatting!

A couple weeks ago, I emailed a pdf to her to post to our website.  She insisted she couldn't post it because our printer/scanner "wasn't working."  Huh?  Yeah, because her method of posting a file to our website apparently had been to print it out, scan it in, and then upload it from the scan folder.  And that was the only way she knew how to do it.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14608 on: August 21, 2016, 12:49:49 AM »
I remember when Word used to use Control-L for left align, Control-B for bold, Control-C for center, Control-U for underline, etc, etc.  Then someone in Redmond decided one fine day all that silly intuitive stuff should go away.
I remember when there was a program call WordPerfect which was infinitely better than Word for formatting long and complicated documents and someone in Redmond decided one fine day all that silly intuitive stuff should go away.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14609 on: August 21, 2016, 03:00:50 AM »
  Our condo building manager sends me Word doc reports where at the end of each line, she presses enter and then tabs in for the next line, so if you need to make any edits, then you have to re-do the f-ed up formatting. 

You may know this but not everyone knows this:
Use Ctrl + H to open Find/Replace. In the find box put ^p^t, in the replace box put one space.

Oh, cool, a new trick, and it works!  I forgot, but she also has a habit of putting lots of spaces until she gets to the next line.  I don't even understand how it's possible to make such screwed up formatting!

A couple weeks ago, I emailed a pdf to her to post to our website.  She insisted she couldn't post it because our printer/scanner "wasn't working."  Huh?  Yeah, because her method of posting a file to our website apparently had been to print it out, scan it in, and then upload it from the scan folder.  And that was the only way she knew how to do it.

I'd probably write a macro to fix her broken files.  There are codes to, say, find more than 10 spaces and place a carriage return.  Something like find " {10:1000}" replace "^p" but I don't really know off the top of my head.  Reduce multiple spaces to double space by running find " {2:1000}" replace "  ", and so on.  String enough of these together and it'll fix most of the problems until she comes up with new ways to be funky.


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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14610 on: August 21, 2016, 03:39:03 AM »
  Our condo building manager sends me Word doc reports where at the end of each line, she presses enter and then tabs in for the next line, so if you need to make any edits, then you have to re-do the f-ed up formatting. 

You may know this but not everyone knows this:
Use Ctrl + H to open Find/Replace. In the find box put ^p^t, in the replace box put one space.

Oh, cool, a new trick, and it works!  I forgot, but she also has a habit of putting lots of spaces until she gets to the next line.  I don't even understand how it's possible to make such screwed up formatting!

A couple weeks ago, I emailed a pdf to her to post to our website.  She insisted she couldn't post it because our printer/scanner "wasn't working."  Huh?  Yeah, because her method of posting a file to our website apparently had been to print it out, scan it in, and then upload it from the scan folder.  And that was the only way she knew how to do it.

I'd probably write a macro to fix her broken files.  There are codes to, say, find more than 10 spaces and place a carriage return.  Something like find " {10:1000}" replace "^p" but I don't really know off the top of my head.  Reduce multiple spaces to double space by running find " {2:1000}" replace "  ", and so on.  String enough of these together and it'll fix most of the problems until she comes up with new ways to be funky.

Even without the macro idea, here's a simple way to do it: find/replace, put in, say 10 spaces in the find, two spaces in the top.  Find/replace all.  Run a few times to get all ones > 10.  Then change the find to 5 spaces, run a few more times (so in this example, 8 spaces would get missed in the 10 run, then first 5 run it'd detect the first 5 of the 8 spaces, change it to 2, then have 3, so then the second 5 run it'd change the 3+2 to just 2).  Then change it to 3, click replace all a few times.. now all multiple spaces are two at most.

No macro needed, just clicking "replace all" a couple extra times until it says "none found" when you click it.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14611 on: August 21, 2016, 03:45:29 AM »
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14612 on: August 21, 2016, 08:02:26 AM »
I remember when Word used to use Control-L for left align, Control-B for bold, Control-C for center, Control-U for underline, etc, etc.  Then someone in Redmond decided one fine day all that silly intuitive stuff should go away.

Hmmm, are you pulling our legs?  All of those still work that way except that Control-C is for copy (and Control-V for paste).

I guess I'm not typing in Word as much as I thought.  But because L, R and C no longer work for formatting, I guess I gave it all up.  I feel weird now.  Thanks, LeRainDrop!  :D (Love your name, btw.)
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14613 on: August 21, 2016, 08:21:17 AM »
Alignment in any direction is literally one mouse click. Change doesn't necessarily mean "someone in Redmond" is out to make your life difficult. Worst case you can custom add shortcuts with the Ctrl shift combination.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14614 on: August 21, 2016, 08:29:02 AM »
Alignment in any direction is literally one mouse click. Change doesn't necessarily mean "someone in Redmond" is out to make your life difficult. Worst case you can custom add shortcuts with the Ctrl shift combination.

Merely a stab at paranoia humor. :D

And apropo to nothing, Control-B does not work here.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14615 on: August 21, 2016, 08:56:02 AM »
In my job I often dealt with the converse of this - someone wants a report or spreadsheet that summarizes a lot of information from various sources, and they want it on short notice. "Oh, by the way, I am giving a presentation to Group X, could you pull together an overview summary of Y?" 

I was so sick of this at the end, I actually said "do you know how long that will take?"
Them: "Oh, can't you just run a report?"
Me: "No, information a is in database a, information b us in database b which is not connected to a, etc. and I have to redact irrelevant records and reformat the output and add information that is not in any of the databases"
Them: "Oh" <blank stare>

These are all databases the fuckers were supposed to be using themselves, and information they were supposed to know, and they all had administrative assistants to run auto reports from the software they were supposed to know how to use anyway.

If it was 'just running a report' they should have known how to do it themselves, and even if they didn't, their admins knew how to run it. Glad I am out of there!
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I once was in a similar situation. But I was able to "automate" lots of it, so instead of my already fast 2 hours it took me only 40 (+/-15) after that.
Of course I would still take my good 2 hours and spend the rest time surfing. After all they didnt even pay me.
I did leave the automate excel sheet and a guideline there when my time was over, but I guess it was never used.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14616 on: August 21, 2016, 09:18:32 AM »
Recently someone said to me "I was going to retire this year, but then I bought a new car so now
I've got to work two more years." And then, went on to talk about her love of shiney things on cars.

Its not even a cool car, just a consumer mobile. Now, if someone was buying a classic Jaguar S car and wanted to sock away repair money for its lifetime, and needed to work for 2 more years to do that hey, I could relate! Haha. But not for some dumb uninteresting auto just off the assembly line.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14617 on: August 21, 2016, 09:19:11 AM »
I remember when Word used to use Control-L for left align, Control-B for bold, Control-C for center, Control-U for underline, etc, etc.  Then someone in Redmond decided one fine day all that silly intuitive stuff should go away.
I remember when there was a program call WordPerfect which was infinitely better than Word for formatting long and complicated documents and someone in Redmond decided one fine day all that silly intuitive stuff should go away.

#stillbitterafteralltheseyears

LOL, back in the days when I did use word processing on a daily basis, I hated WordPerfect because the formatting used numbers (very unintuitive) and, you had to block the entire paragraph in order for a paragraph format to work, i.e., to center, you blocked the entire paragraph, then hit Control-3.  In MSWord, you could put the cursor anywhere in the paragraph, hit Control-C, and done.  So there.

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« Reply #14618 on: August 21, 2016, 09:21:03 AM »
I remember when Word used to use Control-L for left align, Control-B for bold, Control-C for center, Control-U for underline, etc, etc.  Then someone in Redmond decided one fine day all that silly intuitive stuff should go away.
I remember when there was a program call WordPerfect which was infinitely better than Word for formatting long and complicated documents and someone in Redmond decided one fine day all that silly intuitive stuff should go away.

#stillbitterafteralltheseyears

LOL, back in the days when I did use word processing on a daily basis, I hated WordPerfect because the formatting used numbers (very unintuitive) and, you had to block the entire paragraph in order for a paragraph format to work, i.e., to center, you blocked the entire paragraph, then hit Control-3.  In MSWord, you could put the cursor anywhere in the paragraph, hit Control-C, and done.  So there.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14619 on: August 21, 2016, 09:43:41 AM »
I remember when Word used to use Control-L for left align, Control-B for bold, Control-C for center, Control-U for underline, etc, etc.  Then someone in Redmond decided one fine day all that silly intuitive stuff should go away.
I remember when there was a program call WordPerfect which was infinitely better than Word for formatting long and complicated documents and someone in Redmond decided one fine day all that silly intuitive stuff should go away.

#stillbitterafteralltheseyears

LOL, back in the days when I did use word processing on a daily basis, I hated WordPerfect because the formatting used numbers (very unintuitive) and, you had to block the entire paragraph in order for a paragraph format to work, i.e., to center, you blocked the entire paragraph, then hit Control-3.  In MSWord, you could put the cursor anywhere in the paragraph, hit Control-C, and done.  So there.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14620 on: August 21, 2016, 09:59:12 AM »
*snip*

And apropo to nothing, Control-B does not work here.

Sorry to be pedantic, but "apropos" is spelled with a silent "s."
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14621 on: August 21, 2016, 10:09:44 AM »
So while I get the frustration and accept the jokes, I'm also putting myself into the category of people who have pretty much given up on new technology when it comes to social media platforms.  There is so much to keep up with and it rarely benefits me. 

Oh I get THIS! Yes - I am totally inept with social media. Not motivated to learn it at all and my job doesn't require it.

The frustrations I mentioned are people who don't know how to use a Win7 program menu to find MS Office. Or don't know that Chrome or Firefox are alternatives to the big blue "E". Or how to know what program they are currently using. I understand the problems that Win10 poses to new converts but at work we've been using Win7 for a decade now and it isn't that different from WinXP. ;)

Job security for me. Seriously - if these people spend a big portion of each day using a computer, why can't they learn a few skills about it? Basic stuff.

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« Reply #14622 on: August 21, 2016, 10:12:31 AM »
I remember when Word used to use Control-L for left align, Control-B for bold, Control-C for center, Control-U for underline, etc, etc.  Then someone in Redmond decided one fine day all that silly intuitive stuff should go away.
I remember when there was a program call WordPerfect which was infinitely better than Word for formatting long and complicated documents and someone in Redmond decided one fine day all that silly intuitive stuff should go away.

#stillbitterafteralltheseyears

Corel WordPerfect still exists! Nice software too in my opinion. Corel has kept updating it all these years.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14623 on: August 21, 2016, 11:25:32 AM »
*snip*

And apropo to nothing, Control-B does not work here.

Sorry to be pedantic, but "apropos" is spelled with a silent "s."
It used to be, but these days in order to reduce energy consumption and combat global warming we are dropping silent letters.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14624 on: August 21, 2016, 11:48:19 AM »
*snip*

And apropo to nothing, Control-B does not work here.

Sorry to be pedantic, but "apropos" is spelled with a silent "s."
It used to be, but these days in order to reduce energy consumption and combat global warming we are dropping silent letters.
The campaign is being led by Al Gor

I see!  Thank you for your anser.  Nowing that, now I feel dum.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14625 on: August 21, 2016, 12:00:46 PM »
*snip*

And apropo to nothing, Control-B does not work here.

Sorry to be pedantic, but "apropos" is spelled with a silent "s."
It used to be, but these days in order to reduce energy consumption and combat global warming we are dropping silent letters.
The campaign is being led by Al Gor

I see!  Thank you for your anser.  Nowing that, now I feel dum.

Ha!  I was thinking, "what is she talking about, of course I included the silent 's', of course, because I always do, because I'm terribly fond of beginning random thoughts (or in this case, not so random, I was joking) with 'apropos to nothing' ".

And then I looked.  And I was momentarily  horrified.  But now I'm laughing. 

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14626 on: August 21, 2016, 01:30:48 PM »
  Our condo building manager sends me Word doc reports where at the end of each line, she presses enter and then tabs in for the next line, so if you need to make any edits, then you have to re-do the f-ed up formatting. 

You may know this but not everyone knows this:
Use Ctrl + H to open Find/Replace. In the find box put ^p^t, in the replace box put one space.

Oh, cool, a new trick, and it works!  I forgot, but she also has a habit of putting lots of spaces until she gets to the next line.  I don't even understand how it's possible to make such screwed up formatting!

A couple weeks ago, I emailed a pdf to her to post to our website.  She insisted she couldn't post it because our printer/scanner "wasn't working."  Huh?  Yeah, because her method of posting a file to our website apparently had been to print it out, scan it in, and then upload it from the scan folder.  And that was the only way she knew how to do it.

I'd probably write a macro to fix her broken files.  There are codes to, say, find more than 10 spaces and place a carriage return.  Something like find " {10:1000}" replace "^p" but I don't really know off the top of my head.  Reduce multiple spaces to double space by running find " {2:1000}" replace "  ", and so on.  String enough of these together and it'll fix most of the problems until she comes up with new ways to be funky.

Even without the macro idea, here's a simple way to do it: find/replace, put in, say 10 spaces in the find, two spaces in the top.  Find/replace all.  Run a few times to get all ones > 10.  Then change the find to 5 spaces, run a few more times (so in this example, 8 spaces would get missed in the 10 run, then first 5 run it'd detect the first 5 of the 8 spaces, change it to 2, then have 3, so then the second 5 run it'd change the 3+2 to just 2).  Then change it to 3, click replace all a few times.. now all multiple spaces are two at most.

No macro needed, just clicking "replace all" a couple extra times until it says "none found" when you click it.

OK I looked up the actual code.  If you turn on "wildcards" you can use the X{Y,Z} expression to find anwhere between Y-Z of X.  So you if you:

find: <space character>{2,1000}
replace <space character>

then click replace all, you will immediately replace all multiples of 2-1000 spaces with a single space if that's your goal

I sometimes use what you suggest to make sure I don't have any triple spaces in my documents. 

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14627 on: August 21, 2016, 03:01:06 PM »
CW: Something is wrong, I can't do (Thing) for this customer.
Me:  (pulls account up, and the standard notification screen that comes up when the customer has amounts owing pops up)
Me: Press the button labelled (Thing) to get past this screen.
CW: Oh.  You know, I'd really like more training on this.  Are there instructions for it?
Me: ...

It's ONE BUTTON.  Labelled as the next step that you want to do.  Do you really need instructions to remember it's there?!  And there are only a couple of buttons to choose from on that screen anyway!  It is not a complicated interface!

The really sad thing is, this is not the first time she's asked me that question and I've shown her that button.  But instructions wouldn't help, they'd just confuse her more, because this step obviously isn't necessary every time, and she doesn't handle "if/then" steps very well.  The real problem is that she doesn't actually understand what's going on and why that screen exists.  I've explained what's happening, because if she *understood* it she wouldn't need help, but it just. does. not. compute.

(I don't think she's actually listening - I think she stops paying much attention as soon as you start explaining or showing her something, because she automatically dismisses it as a computer thing she can't be expected to understand.  I don't think she's naturally this incapable, but I don't see a way to get past her shield against learning something, especially since she isn't consciously aware she's doing it.)

A while ago on I believe this thread someone said some people just expect to follow a recipe when doing anything on a computer. Whenever some exception happens, instead of trying to understand what's actually happening, they just throw their hands up and say oh well the instructions don't explain this...

I don't know how these people expect to get anywhere in life.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14628 on: August 21, 2016, 03:05:26 PM »
Whenever some exception happens, instead of trying to understand what's actually happening, they just throw their hands up and say oh well the instructions don't explain this...

I don't know how these people expect to get anywhere in life.
You just have to wrap them in a try/catch handler
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14629 on: August 21, 2016, 03:52:14 PM »
But think about it - how much could we increase productivity by not including silent letters? French productivity could go up 1000%!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  It *has* always mystified me why the French language includes so many letters that are not pronounced.

Of course, English has more than its fair share of anti-patterns, exceptions, oddities and eccentricities.
OK I looked up the actual code.  If you turn on "wildcards" you can use the X{Y,Z} expression to find anwhere between Y-Z of X.  So you if you:

find: <space character>{2,1000}
replace <space character>

then click replace all, you will immediately replace all multiples of 2-1000 spaces with a single space if that's your goal

I sometimes use what you suggest to make sure I don't have any triple spaces in my documents. 
Does Word also support open-ended repeated characters, like {2,} ? That would match any number (>2) of spaces.
Whenever some exception happens, instead of trying to understand what's actually happening, they just throw their hands up and say oh well the instructions don't explain this...

I don't know how these people expect to get anywhere in life.
You just have to wrap them in a try/catch handler
Failing that - just delete them and cleanup their resources
*snort* Or you could include a bunch of try/catch-type structure in your instructions, and see if users can figure it out :)

Along a similar line of thought, it has always impressed me how the instructions for the 1040 form are so well-written.  Seriously, if you've done your own taxes before, the IRS has done a remarkable job of making the whole process very parseable.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14630 on: August 21, 2016, 04:40:34 PM »
Along a similar line of thought, it has always impressed me how the instructions for the 1040 form are so well-written.  Seriously, if you've done your own taxes before, the IRS has done a remarkable job of making the whole process very parseable.
(yes, I'm a Java programmer (among many other things) at my day job)

Well I think it's over "dummy proofed" to a fault sometimes. Sometimes I just want to figure out what formula they're using but it's obfuscated by a series of instructions that say copy line 4, take the maximum of lines 2 and 3, etc. It'd be so much simpler if they included the formulas in an appendix or something...

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14631 on: August 21, 2016, 04:51:28 PM »
OK I looked up the actual code.  If you turn on "wildcards" you can use the X{Y,Z} expression to find anwhere between Y-Z of X.  So you if you:

find: <space character>{2,1000}
replace <space character>

then click replace all, you will immediately replace all multiples of 2-1000 spaces with a single space if that's your goal

Neat! Thanks for looking that up and sharing.  :)

Luckily it'll be easy to look up next time I want to use it.  Just check the "Overheard at Work" thread.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14632 on: August 21, 2016, 09:10:05 PM »
But think about it - how much could we increase productivity by not including silent letters? French productivity could go up 1000%!

Brilliant!  Those bonus letters are surely just added to trip up foreigners.

Ha!  I was thinking, "what is she talking about, of course I included the silent 's', of course, because I always do, because I'm terribly fond of beginning random thoughts (or in this case, not so random, I was joking) with 'apropos to nothing' ".

And then I looked.  And I was momentarily  horrified.  But now I'm laughing. 

And a bunch of Houston MMM'ers are about to meet each other for the first time, so it's all good.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14633 on: August 21, 2016, 10:42:15 PM »
I remember when Word used to use Control-L for left align, Control-B for bold, Control-C for center, Control-U for underline, etc, etc.  Then someone in Redmond decided one fine day all that silly intuitive stuff should go away.
I remember when there was a program call WordPerfect which was infinitely better than Word for formatting long and complicated documents and someone in Redmond decided one fine day all that silly intuitive stuff should go away.

#stillbitterafteralltheseyears

QFT!  I still miss being able to view the format codes and put formulas in my tables.  *sniff* 

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14634 on: August 21, 2016, 11:34:22 PM »
Pffft you plebians using Word. LaTeX is so much better! (but terrible for collaboration unless everyone else understands LaTeX) (but then again when that's true it makes it so much easier to communicate equations over email)

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14635 on: August 22, 2016, 12:19:00 AM »
Pffft you plebians using Word. LaTeX is so much better! (but terrible for collaboration unless everyone else understands LaTeX) (but then again when that's true it makes it so much easier to communicate equations over email)
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14636 on: August 22, 2016, 12:58:37 AM »
But think about it - how much could we increase productivity by not including silent letters? French productivity could go up 1000%!

Brilliant!  Those bonus letters are surely just added to trip up foreigners.


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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14637 on: August 22, 2016, 04:52:36 AM »
  Our condo building manager sends me Word doc reports where at the end of each line, she presses enter and then tabs in for the next line, so if you need to make any edits, then you have to re-do the f-ed up formatting. 

You may know this but not everyone knows this:
Use Ctrl + H to open Find/Replace. In the find box put ^p^t, in the replace box put one space.

Oh, cool, a new trick, and it works!  I forgot, but she also has a habit of putting lots of spaces until she gets to the next line.  I don't even understand how it's possible to make such screwed up formatting!

A couple weeks ago, I emailed a pdf to her to post to our website.  She insisted she couldn't post it because our printer/scanner "wasn't working."  Huh?  Yeah, because her method of posting a file to our website apparently had been to print it out, scan it in, and then upload it from the scan folder.  And that was the only way she knew how to do it.

Ace!

 A bunch of people who send me files only know how to attach files to email using the scanner. So to send me a spreadsheet, they will print, scan, email the scan, and expect me to type the whole thing back into my spreadsheet. But they are genuinely trying to be helpful! I now have a set of instructions (with screen shots) to show them how to attach a file to an email and they think it is magic!

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14638 on: August 22, 2016, 05:47:36 AM »
Wasn't Wordperfect part of the Lotus Suite?

You're thinking of Ami Pro.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14639 on: August 22, 2016, 07:24:06 AM »
Pffft you plebians using Word. LaTeX is so much better! (but terrible for collaboration unless everyone else understands LaTeX) (but then again when that's true it makes it so much easier to communicate equations over email)

NOW you're talking. LaTex on Mint Linux please!!!

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14640 on: August 22, 2016, 08:17:42 AM »
Came to work over the weekend for a while. Rarely do that but I wanted to double check some work to make sure it was done right before Monday since it's on my back.

Coworker sold his red car and bought the very same car again, one year newer, but grey this time... What's the point of that?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14641 on: August 22, 2016, 08:54:56 AM »
Came to work over the weekend for a while. Rarely do that but I wanted to double check some work to make sure it was done right before Monday since it's on my back.

Coworker sold his red car and bought the very same car again, one year newer, but grey this time... What's the point of that?

They just HAD to update their maps. Oh, and the radio has an extra button on it now. How can you live without that!?!?!

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14642 on: August 22, 2016, 10:00:21 AM »
Pffft you plebians using Word. LaTeX is so much better! (but terrible for collaboration unless everyone else understands LaTeX) (but then again when that's true it makes it so much easier to communicate equations over email)

NOW you're talking. LaTex on Mint Linux please!!!

I prefer Arch Linux myself. I did use to use the Cinnamon desktop environment for a while, but XFCE was the only desktop environment that I tried that seemed to properly handle non uniform multiple displays (1920x1080 + 1080x1920 (that's rotated to portrait) + 1920x1200 + 1680x1050). I feel like this behavior really should be controlled by the Nvidia driver, not the desktop environment.  Maybe someone more knowledgeable than I can chime in, but I was not willing to put in the time to figure out why this was the case and just went with XFCE instead.
I only typically use the first two displays at any given time, but occasionally I do use the third display. The fourth display is rarely used. When it is used it's only really for peripheral stuff like spotify and chat windows, as it's generally too far to really put anything important on.

What I don't like about LaTeX is it's hard to write efficiently without ample screen real estate. At a bare minimum you need two windows displayed side by side - PDF and source code. It gets even worse when I try to make slide decks in beamer and I'm simultaneously looking at the article, presentation, and handout versions of my slide deck, along with my LaTeX code, web browser, MATLAB, and another PDF viewer for a paper I'm referencing. This is one of those instances that I use four monitors.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14643 on: August 22, 2016, 11:46:23 AM »
Pffft you plebians using Word. LaTeX is so much better! (but terrible for collaboration unless everyone else understands LaTeX) (but then again when that's true it makes it so much easier to communicate equations over email)

NOW you're talking. LaTex on Mint Linux please!!!

I prefer Arch Linux myself. I did use to use the Cinnamon desktop environment for a while, but XFCE was the only desktop environment that I tried that seemed to properly handle non uniform multiple displays (1920x1080 + 1080x1920 (that's rotated to portrait) + 1920x1200 + 1680x1050). I feel like this behavior really should be controlled by the Nvidia driver, not the desktop environment.  Maybe someone more knowledgeable than I can chime in, but I was not willing to put in the time to figure out why this was the case and just went with XFCE instead.
I only typically use the first two displays at any given time, but occasionally I do use the third display. The fourth display is rarely used. When it is used it's only really for peripheral stuff like spotify and chat windows, as it's generally too far to really put anything important on.

What I don't like about LaTeX is it's hard to write efficiently without ample screen real estate. At a bare minimum you need two windows displayed side by side - PDF and source code. It gets even worse when I try to make slide decks in beamer and I'm simultaneously looking at the article, presentation, and handout versions of my slide deck, along with my LaTeX code, web browser, MATLAB, and another PDF viewer for a paper I'm referencing. This is one of those instances that I use four monitors.

WTF?  I just code it up directly in vi as a PDF binary.  Render it in your brain and you can use the whole screen for typing!

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14644 on: August 22, 2016, 11:49:02 AM »
Pffft you plebians using Word. LaTeX is so much better! (but terrible for collaboration unless everyone else understands LaTeX) (but then again when that's true it makes it so much easier to communicate equations over email)

NOW you're talking. LaTex on Mint Linux please!!!

I prefer Arch Linux myself. I did use to use the Cinnamon desktop environment for a while, but XFCE was the only desktop environment that I tried that seemed to properly handle non uniform multiple displays (1920x1080 + 1080x1920 (that's rotated to portrait) + 1920x1200 + 1680x1050). I feel like this behavior really should be controlled by the Nvidia driver, not the desktop environment.  Maybe someone more knowledgeable than I can chime in, but I was not willing to put in the time to figure out why this was the case and just went with XFCE instead.
I only typically use the first two displays at any given time, but occasionally I do use the third display. The fourth display is rarely used. When it is used it's only really for peripheral stuff like spotify and chat windows, as it's generally too far to really put anything important on.

What I don't like about LaTeX is it's hard to write efficiently without ample screen real estate. At a bare minimum you need two windows displayed side by side - PDF and source code. It gets even worse when I try to make slide decks in beamer and I'm simultaneously looking at the article, presentation, and handout versions of my slide deck, along with my LaTeX code, web browser, MATLAB, and another PDF viewer for a paper I'm referencing. This is one of those instances that I use four monitors.

WTF?  I just code it up directly in vim/xxd as a PDF binary.  Render it in your brain and you can use the whole screen for typing!

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14645 on: August 22, 2016, 11:52:04 AM »
Pffft you plebians using Word. LaTeX is so much better! (but terrible for collaboration unless everyone else understands LaTeX) (but then again when that's true it makes it so much easier to communicate equations over email)

NOW you're talking. LaTex on Mint Linux please!!!

I prefer Arch Linux myself. I did use to use the Cinnamon desktop environment for a while, but XFCE was the only desktop environment that I tried that seemed to properly handle non uniform multiple displays (1920x1080 + 1080x1920 (that's rotated to portrait) + 1920x1200 + 1680x1050). I feel like this behavior really should be controlled by the Nvidia driver, not the desktop environment.  Maybe someone more knowledgeable than I can chime in, but I was not willing to put in the time to figure out why this was the case and just went with XFCE instead.
I only typically use the first two displays at any given time, but occasionally I do use the third display. The fourth display is rarely used. When it is used it's only really for peripheral stuff like spotify and chat windows, as it's generally too far to really put anything important on.

What I don't like about LaTeX is it's hard to write efficiently without ample screen real estate. At a bare minimum you need two windows displayed side by side - PDF and source code. It gets even worse when I try to make slide decks in beamer and I'm simultaneously looking at the article, presentation, and handout versions of my slide deck, along with my LaTeX code, web browser, MATLAB, and another PDF viewer for a paper I'm referencing. This is one of those instances that I use four monitors.

WTF?  I just code it up directly in vim/xxd as a PDF binary.  Render it in your brain and you can use the whole screen for typing!

Lol I'm good, but not that good!

I have tried taking notes in class in LaTeX before. Was decently successful, but class notes are far less complex than slide decks.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14646 on: August 22, 2016, 11:56:47 AM »
I was recently promoted in the military and my coworker comes up to me and says "Now you have to spend all the extra money you make this month on a gift for yourself." Not a TERRIBLE idea, but not something I was interested in. Shortly after he follows up with "You know you should just go out and buy a brand new car, it'll basically be free because you weren't making the extra money anyway!" This same person also paid off an $8000 loan on a car they had so that they could get approved for a loan on a brand new $45,000 Mustang....

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14647 on: August 22, 2016, 12:39:12 PM »
Pffft you plebians using Word. LaTeX is so much better! (but terrible for collaboration unless everyone else understands LaTeX) (but then again when that's true it makes it so much easier to communicate equations over email)

NOW you're talking. LaTex on Mint Linux please!!!

I prefer Arch Linux myself. I did use to use the Cinnamon desktop environment for a while, but XFCE was the only desktop environment that I tried that seemed to properly handle non uniform multiple displays (1920x1080 + 1080x1920 (that's rotated to portrait) + 1920x1200 + 1680x1050). ...snip...

I have fond (?) memories of Word Star on monochrome displays at 720x350.  If you insisted on color you had to use a 320x200. But who really needs color for word processing anyway?  All formatting was control code driven because it was a text only interface.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14648 on: August 22, 2016, 12:46:22 PM »
I was recently promoted in the military and my coworker comes up to me and says "Now you have to spend all the extra money you make this month on a gift for yourself." Not a TERRIBLE idea, but not something I was interested in. Shortly after he follows up with "You know you should just go out and buy a brand new car, it'll basically be free because you weren't making the extra money anyway!" This same person also paid off an $8000 loan on a car they had so that they could get approved for a loan on a brand new $45,000 Mustang....
Wow. In other words, "you earned a promotion!  Yay!  Now spend that raise in a way that won't actually improve your life!"

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #14649 on: August 22, 2016, 12:48:49 PM »
I was recently promoted in the military and my coworker comes up to me and says "Now you have to spend all the extra money you make this month on a gift for yourself." Not a TERRIBLE idea, but not something I was interested in. Shortly after he follows up with "You know you should just go out and buy a brand new car, it'll basically be free because you weren't making the extra money anyway!" This same person also paid off an $8000 loan on a car they had so that they could get approved for a loan on a brand new $45,000 Mustang....
Wow. In other words, "you earned a promotion!  Yay!  Now spend that raise in a way that won't actually improve your life!"

Reminds me of this quote

“We humans are unhappy in large part because we are insatiable; after working hard to get what we want, we routinely lose interest in the object of our desire. Rather than feeling satisfied, we feel a bit bored, and in response to this boredom, we go on to form new, even grander desires.”
― William B. Irvine, A Guide to the Good Life: The Ancient Art of Stoic Joy