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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13550 on: June 05, 2016, 01:38:54 AM »
I usually try to trim down to the relevant part of the post when quoting. It's a pain in the ass on a tablet! If there is more than one section I am responding to, I don't trim since I think it starts to skew the interpretation of the original post.

I haven't figured out how to collate several comments from different users into one response, at least not on a tablet!

I hear what you are saying, but once you get a growing subthread, it is usually easy to just read the last response. More confusing when someone revives something weeks or months later.

Any idea how to make all thus easier and clearer?

Sometimes you need to monster quote, but what I'm talking about is the succession of 4-5 (sometimes more) monster quotes.
People do it because they're lazy and don't want to snip (I agree on a tablet or phone it's a pain!), but it's a matter of Internet etiquette in my opinion.
Using tapatalk (a free app) makes things considerably easier, especially on a phone.
To multi quote, tap on a person's post, select "more", then "multi quote".
Now tap on all the other posts you want to quote, and finish by tapping the message icon in the top right corner to go write the multi quoted post.


Failed snipping attempts are also the cause of broken quotes, which are way worse than long quotes

There's always the edit function.
Not fixing broken quotes within a monster quote is peak rudeness on a forum.

It's also really easy to scroll to the bottom of a post and skip the quotes entirely.  Just push the down arrow on your keybaord

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13551 on: June 05, 2016, 01:46:28 AM »
Of course.
It's also not much of an issue to read the post in all caps.
It's also not such an incredible inconvenience to wait 30 mins for the guy who's late.
That doesn't make both things any less rude.

Not a horrible issue obviously, but it's not "my" thing, it's common forum etiquette to do the little effort required to keep the Internet legible.


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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13552 on: June 05, 2016, 02:03:01 AM »
Until you get that one womble who makes it hard for everyone by inserting their own comment at the top instead of the bottom, and you scroll down to read what they've written and then have to scroll all the way up again...

Simple etiquette and manners really. Like Seppia said.

I usually try to trim down to the relevant part of the post when quoting. It's a pain in the ass on a tablet! If there is more than one section I am responding to, I don't trim since I think it starts to skew the interpretation of the original post.

I haven't figured out how to collate several comments from different users into one response, at least not on a tablet!

I hear what you are saying, but once you get a growing subthread, it is usually easy to just read the last response. More confusing when someone revives something weeks or months later.

Any idea how to make all thus easier and clearer?

Sometimes you need to monster quote, but what I'm talking about is the succession of 4-5 (sometimes more) monster quotes.
People do it because they're lazy and don't want to snip (I agree on a tablet or phone it's a pain!), but it's a matter of Internet etiquette in my opinion.
Using tapatalk (a free app) makes things considerably easier, especially on a phone.
To multi quote, tap on a person's post, select "more", then "multi quote".
Now tap on all the other posts you want to quote, and finish by tapping the message icon in the top right corner to go write the multi quoted post.


Failed snipping attempts are also the cause of broken quotes, which are way worse than long quotes

There's always the edit function.
Not fixing broken quotes within a monster quote is peak rudeness on a forum.

It's also really easy to scroll to the bottom of a post and skip the quotes entirely.  Just push the down arrow on your keybaord


Of course.
It's also not much of an issue to read the post in all caps.
It's also not such an incredible inconvenience to wait 30 mins for the guy who's late.
That doesn't make both things any less rude.

Not a horrible issue obviously, but it's not "my" thing, it's common forum etiquette to do the little effort required to keep the Internet legible.



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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13553 on: June 05, 2016, 02:12:52 AM »
You're really on about that, aren't you Primm? :D

I also feel that one should put ellipses when snipping from posts, but perhaps my primary school English teacher was just old-school...

Until you get that one womble who makes it hard for everyone by inserting their own comment at the top instead of the bottom, and you scroll down to read what they've written and then have to scroll all the way up again...

Simple etiquette and manners really. Like Seppia said.

I usually try to trim down to the relevant part of the post when quoting. It's a pain in the ass on a tablet! If there is more than one section I am responding to, I don't trim since I think it starts to skew the interpretation of the original post.

I haven't figured out how to collate several comments from different users into one response, at least not on a tablet!

I hear what you are saying, but once you get a growing subthread, it is usually easy to just read the last response. More confusing when someone revives something weeks or months later.

Any idea how to make all thus easier and clearer?

Sometimes you need to monster quote, but what I'm talking about is the succession of 4-5 (sometimes more) monster quotes.
People do it because they're lazy and don't want to snip (I agree on a tablet or phone it's a pain!), but it's a matter of Internet etiquette in my opinion.
Failed snipping attempts are also the cause of broken quotes, which are way worse than long quotes

There's always the edit function.
Not fixing broken quotes within a monster quote is peak rudeness on a forum.

It's also really easy to scroll to the bottom of a post and skip the quotes entirely.  Just push the down arrow on your keybaord



Not a horrible issue obviously, but it's not "my" thing, it's common forum etiquette to do the little effort required to keep the Internet l
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13554 on: June 05, 2016, 02:16:27 AM »
You're really on about that, aren't you Primm? :D

I also feel that one should put ellipses when snipping from posts, but perhaps my primary school English teacher was just old-school...


Have I mentioned it before? I don't believe so, but I may be wrong. It's been known to happen.

And yeah, old school. Probably didn't like starting sentences with "and" or "or" either. Or incomplete sentences... 

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13555 on: June 05, 2016, 05:00:13 PM »
Until you get that one womble who makes it hard for everyone by inserting their own comment at the top instead of the bottom, and you scroll down to read what they've written and then have to scroll all the way up again...

Simple etiquette and manners really. Like Seppia said.

I usually try to trim down to the relevant part of the post when quoting. It's a pain in the ass on a tablet! If there is more than one section I am responding to, I don't trim since I think it starts to skew the interpretation of the original post.

I haven't figured out how to collate several comments from different users into one response, at least not on a tablet!

I hear what you are saying, but once you get a growing subthread, it is usually easy to just read the last response. More confusing when someone revives something weeks or months later.

Any idea how to make all thus easier and clearer?

Sometimes you need to monster quote, but what I'm talking about is the succession of 4-5 (sometimes more) monster quotes.
People do it because they're lazy and don't want to snip (I agree on a tablet or phone it's a pain!), but it's a matter of Internet etiquette in my opinion.
Using tapatalk (a free app) makes things considerably easier, especially on a phone.
To multi quote, tap on a person's post, select "more", then "multi quote".
Now tap on all the other posts you want to quote, and finish by tapping the message icon in the top right corner to go write the multi quoted post.


Failed snipping attempts are also the cause of broken quotes, which are way worse than long quotes

There's always the edit function.
Not fixing broken quotes within a monster quote is peak rudeness on a forum.

It's also really easy to scroll to the bottom of a post and skip the quotes entirely.  Just push the down arrow on your keybaord


Of course.
It's also not much of an issue to read the post in all caps.
It's also not such an incredible inconvenience to wait 30 mins for the guy who's late.
That doesn't make both things any less rude.

Not a horrible issue obviously, but it's not "my" thing, it's common forum etiquette to do the little effort required to keep the Internet legible.



It's also common forum etiquette to defer to those with higher post counts.  And to buy them chocolates every WalrusDay.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13556 on: June 05, 2016, 05:15:29 PM »
*snip*

It's also common forum etiquette to defer to those with higher post counts.  And to buy them chocolates every WalrusDay.

Okay, everybody, let's not forget that WalrusDay is November 24th, so mark your calendars!  Dragoncar, please post your full mailing address for us to all send you chocolates.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13557 on: June 05, 2016, 09:53:35 PM »
You're really on about that, aren't you Primm? :D

I also feel that one should put ellipses when snipping from posts, but perhaps my primary school English teacher was just old-school...


Have I mentioned it before? I don't believe so, but I may be wrong. It's been known to happen.

And yeah, old school. Probably didn't like starting sentences with "and" or "or" either. Or incomplete sentences... 

:P

Perhaps I'm confusing you with some other poster. Please forgive me.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13558 on: June 05, 2016, 11:03:06 PM »
*snip*

It's also common forum etiquette to defer to those with higher post counts.  And to buy them chocolates every WalrusDay.

Okay, everybody, let's not forget that WalrusDay is November 24th, so mark your calendars!  Dragoncar, please post your full mailing address for us to all send you chocolates.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13559 on: June 05, 2016, 11:20:07 PM »
*snip*

It's also common forum etiquette to defer to those with higher post counts.  And to buy them chocolates every WalrusDay.

Okay, everybody, let's not forget that WalrusDay is November 24th, so mark your calendars!  Dragoncar, please post your full mailing address for us to all send you chocolates.

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Perfect. The U.S. delivers there via Saudi Arabia. Or did, until last week, it seems...
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13560 on: June 05, 2016, 11:21:07 PM »
In my first 'real job' after a LOT of school, my coworkers were encouraging me to buy a fancy new car. My old car went on hospice and did eventually die. They were soooooooo disappointed and full of ridicule when I chose a Toyota!

Bet those are the same ones that complain how paying their student loans is putting them in the poor house...

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13561 on: June 06, 2016, 08:49:04 PM »
I just remembered this gem from a few years ago.  A coworker said she was bummed that she didn't have $1000 to pay to see a psychic.

So let me get this straight:  You don't have $1000 to your name but if you did, you would give it to a psychic.  I can predict your future for free.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13562 on: June 07, 2016, 07:12:53 AM »
I just remembered this gem from a few years ago.  A coworker said she was bummed that she didn't have $1000 to pay to see a psychic.

So let me get this straight:  You don't have $1000 to your name but if you did, you would give it to a psychic.  I can predict your future for free.

I saw a psychic when I was a teenager. The cost was $20.

Your coworker knows a very smart psychic if they can bilk her out of $1,000. I'm a little impressed.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13563 on: June 07, 2016, 09:20:36 AM »
Finally got one!

A coworker had about $6,000 in employer contributions to his 401k and left our company in 2013. He has 5 years to move the funds to an IRA or forfeit them. But he refuses to take it! Multiple attempts, where he initially flat out said he didn't want it, and now after tracking him down in London, he refused delivery of the package with the paperwork!

It gets worse though, it turns out there are two other former employees that similarly can't be bothered to do the paperwork!

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13564 on: June 07, 2016, 10:08:38 AM »
Heard on the radio today...

1. "You are caller number xx and you just one $1,000, what are you going to do!?!?  I am going to use the money to get some new tats!"

2. "Buy a new car from our dealership and get financing at 0% for 84 months!"

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13565 on: June 07, 2016, 11:13:41 AM »
2. "Buy a new car from our dealership and get financing at 0% for 84 months!"

To be fair, I would do that. If I needed a car. They say 0% because they don't expect ANYONE to qualify for that.

I needed a car and had picked out a model that was rated as very reliable with high resale value. And 2-3 year old used versions were selling at less than 10% off new. They were offering 0.9% financing and when I came in and asked about that they smirked and said that amount was for well-qualified buyers and they would do the best they could for me.

Based on the looks on faces later, I don't think they're used to seeing credit scores that start with an 8.

Free money for 7 years?! I'll take it.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13566 on: June 07, 2016, 03:37:16 PM »
2. "Buy a new car from our dealership and get financing at 0% for 84 months!"

To be fair, I would do that. If I needed a car. They say 0% because they don't expect ANYONE to qualify for that.

I needed a car and had picked out a model that was rated as very reliable with high resale value. And 2-3 year old used versions were selling at less than 10% off new. They were offering 0.9% financing and when I came in and asked about that they smirked and said that amount was for well-qualified buyers and they would do the best they could for me.

Based on the looks on faces later, I don't think they're used to seeing credit scores that start with an 8.

Free money for 7 years?! I'll take it.

I would take it too if there was a way to do it without buying a new car!

Buying a new car is one of the best ways to kill your mustache.  Let's face it, even a 2-3 year old car is a ridiculous luxury that deserves punches to the face!

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13567 on: June 07, 2016, 06:22:14 PM »

Based on the looks on faces later, I don't think they're used to seeing credit scores that start with an 8.


Neither am I, how did you manage that?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13568 on: June 07, 2016, 06:26:53 PM »

Based on the looks on faces later, I don't think they're used to seeing credit scores that start with an 8.


Neither am I, how did you manage that?

Long history of flawless on time payments over a variety of account types.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13569 on: June 07, 2016, 09:31:46 PM »
Finally got one!

A coworker had about $6,000 in employer contributions to his 401k and left our company in 2013. He has 5 years to move the funds to an IRA or forfeit them. But he refuses to take it! Multiple attempts, where he initially flat out said he didn't want it, and now after tracking him down in London, he refused delivery of the package with the paperwork!

It gets worse though, it turns out there are two other former employees that similarly can't be bothered to do the paperwork!

I don't think they can set a time limit for forfeiture, but that is such an odd case that I am unsure.  I know that for wages, dividends, etc, legally they must try to get you the money for a certain number of years.  After that point, the money gets turned over to your state department of unclaimed funds.  The state then holds the money for you until you or your heirs claim it.  Periodically, the state governments audit businesses for compliance with unclaimed funds rules; this is taken seriously.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13570 on: June 08, 2016, 04:58:36 AM »
Finally got one!

A coworker had about $6,000 in employer contributions to his 401k and left our company in 2013. He has 5 years to move the funds to an IRA or forfeit them. But he refuses to take it! Multiple attempts, where he initially flat out said he didn't want it, and now after tracking him down in London, he refused delivery of the package with the paperwork!

It gets worse though, it turns out there are two other former employees that similarly can't be bothered to do the paperwork!

I don't think they can set a time limit for forfeiture, but that is such an odd case that I am unsure.  I know that for wages, dividends, etc, legally they must try to get you the money for a certain number of years.  After that point, the money gets turned over to your state department of unclaimed funds.  The state then holds the money for you until you or your heirs claim it.  Periodically, the state governments audit businesses for compliance with unclaimed funds rules; this is taken seriously.
They're elective contributions within a profit sharing plan, which states five years after separation.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13571 on: June 08, 2016, 08:48:27 AM »
Finally got one!

A coworker had about $6,000 in employer contributions to his 401k and left our company in 2013. He has 5 years to move the funds to an IRA or forfeit them. But he refuses to take it! Multiple attempts, where he initially flat out said he didn't want it, and now after tracking him down in London, he refused delivery of the package with the paperwork!

It gets worse though, it turns out there are two other former employees that similarly can't be bothered to do the paperwork!

I don't think they can set a time limit for forfeiture, but that is such an odd case that I am unsure.  I know that for wages, dividends, etc, legally they must try to get you the money for a certain number of years.  After that point, the money gets turned over to your state department of unclaimed funds.  The state then holds the money for you until you or your heirs claim it.  Periodically, the state governments audit businesses for compliance with unclaimed funds rules; this is taken seriously.
They're elective contributions within a profit sharing plan, which states five years after separation.

Plus they have demonstrated that they've gone to great lengths to contact the former employee and have been rebuffed.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13572 on: June 08, 2016, 08:59:16 AM »

Based on the looks on faces later, I don't think they're used to seeing credit scores that start with an 8.


Neither am I, how did you manage that?

Mine was around 801 at 30 y/o before I bought a house. I never did anything special except pay my bills on time and even then I fucked up a little as a youngin' but nothing worse than a few late payments. But those were a long time ago and did not show up. 

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13573 on: June 08, 2016, 09:36:53 AM »

Based on the looks on faces later, I don't think they're used to seeing credit scores that start with an 8.


Neither am I, how did you manage that?
My husband and my credit scores have started with an 8 for as long as I can remember.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13574 on: June 08, 2016, 11:20:09 AM »

Based on the looks on faces later, I don't think they're used to seeing credit scores that start with an 8.


Neither am I, how did you manage that?
My husband and my credit scores have started with an 8 for as long as I can remember.

Same here for my wife and I, pretty close to breaking 830, but I don't actively try to game it either.  I hear gaming it to hit the max is actually "thing".

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13575 on: June 08, 2016, 11:48:46 AM »
Long history of flawless on time payments over a variety of account types.

Exactly. At the time I had 15 years of credit history, still had my first accounts open and no late payments of any kind.

I would take it too if there was a way to do it without buying a new car!

Buying a new car is one of the best ways to kill your mustache.  Let's face it, even a 2-3 year old car is a ridiculous luxury that deserves punches to the face!

I may have made a different decision had I been reading this site at the time, but I had my justifications, among them being that a model shift 3 years prior meant significant improvements in the safety ratings and fuel efficiency. And for the record, this is my second car purchase ever after 8 years of carlessness, and is the sole car in my two-driver household.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13576 on: June 08, 2016, 12:32:19 PM »
Something I found out today at work, so it counts, right?

Another team in my department was supposed to have a new person start this week. Orientation Monday, then first day in the department Tuesday. He wasn't here yesterday. Today, I found out why. Monday, he emailed HR and said that he wasn't taking the job, and was going to stay with his current company. He'd accepted the job offer 2-3 weeks ago.

He's blacklisted with HR - will never even get an interview here again.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13577 on: June 08, 2016, 12:44:43 PM »
Something I found out today at work, so it counts, right?

Another team in my department was supposed to have a new person start this week. Orientation Monday, then first day in the department Tuesday. He wasn't here yesterday. Today, I found out why. Monday, he emailed HR and said that he wasn't taking the job, and was going to stay with his current company. He'd accepted the job offer 2-3 weeks ago.

He's blacklisted with HR - will never even get an interview here again.

Meh, I don't see this as that strange if you are in a high demand field. The last time I switched jobs, my boss was trying to get me to stay up until the time that he walked me out to my car on my last Friday (with me starting the new job the following Monday).  I didn't take those last minute counter offers because I had non-financial reasons for leaving the company, but if that had not been true and the counter offers had been high enough I would have performed a last-minute turn around at the car with no remorse.  Maximizing your own time and value is more important than loyalty to some organization that you don't even work for yet, especially given the 'at-will' employment laws in most of the US.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13578 on: June 08, 2016, 12:47:58 PM »
Something I found out today at work, so it counts, right?

Another team in my department was supposed to have a new person start this week. Orientation Monday, then first day in the department Tuesday. He wasn't here yesterday. Today, I found out why. Monday, he emailed HR and said that he wasn't taking the job, and was going to stay with his current company. He'd accepted the job offer 2-3 weeks ago.

He's blacklisted with HR - will never even get an interview here again.

This is probably the same HR that provides a nice booklet filled with information about how your employment is "at will" and can be terminated at any time

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13579 on: June 08, 2016, 01:21:26 PM »
Something I found out today at work, so it counts, right?

Another team in my department was supposed to have a new person start this week. Orientation Monday, then first day in the department Tuesday. He wasn't here yesterday. Today, I found out why. Monday, he emailed HR and said that he wasn't taking the job, and was going to stay with his current company. He'd accepted the job offer 2-3 weeks ago.

He's blacklisted with HR - will never even get an interview here again.

This is probably the same HR that provides a nice booklet filled with information about how your employment is "at will" and can be terminated at any time

True, but it's generally considered good form to let your new employer know that you aren't taking the job. A few years ago we interviewed and hired someone that was very excited at the job, didn't say anything negative about it. The man was currently unemployed.

On the day he was supposed to come in, he didn't and didn't call or email us. We reached out to him and he said that he took another job and said that he didn't really want the job we wanted. When we asked him why he didn't say this, or bring up any concerns, or even tell us that he accepted another job he didn't really have a good response. Fast forward two years later, he got let-go from that company and had a friend of his who knows one of my employees well ask if there was a place for him.

My employee came in that Monday with a big smile on his face and told me this. Then he asked, "What should I tell him?"

I had to fight the urge to tell him to tell the original person, "TO GO #$#% themselves," only because I knew that my employee would send the message verbatim.

Oh, and the employee that brought me the message...we only hired him because the original guy backed out. I actually didn't like him, but am glad that I was overruled...this guy has been worth his weight in gold, and has been given raises every 6 months because he keeps justifying his worth.

Sorry for the long message, but I feel like people here would appreciate this story.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13580 on: June 08, 2016, 01:29:14 PM »
Something I found out today at work, so it counts, right?

Another team in my department was supposed to have a new person start this week. Orientation Monday, then first day in the department Tuesday. He wasn't here yesterday. Today, I found out why. Monday, he emailed HR and said that he wasn't taking the job, and was going to stay with his current company. He'd accepted the job offer 2-3 weeks ago.

He's blacklisted with HR - will never even get an interview here again.

Meh, I don't see this as that strange if you are in a high demand field. The last time I switched jobs, my boss was trying to get me to stay up until the time that he walked me out to my car on my last Friday (with me starting the new job the following Monday).  I didn't take those last minute counter offers because I had non-financial reasons for leaving the company, but if that had not been true and the counter offers had been high enough I would have performed a last-minute turn around at the car with no remorse.  Maximizing your own time and value is more important than loyalty to some organization that you don't even work for yet, especially given the 'at-will' employment laws in most of the US.

On one hand: yes. I've had conversations with old colleagues before where people will criticize other people for 'not having any loyalty to the company' and I'm like... please explain yourself. I have as much loyalty to the company as they have to me, which is to say, zilch. What we have is a mutually satisfying business agreement that can be disolved from either side should it cease to be satisfying. Since the company is NEVER going to give me more loyalty than that, I'd be kind of a fool to be 'loyal' in absence of returned loyalty.

That said: don't be a dick. Call the company with who you took the job and explain that, unfortunately, you won't be there Monday for X reason. Don't let people hang around and wait. You'll burn the bridge with the company either way, but at least this means you're maintaining some semblance of professional courtesy for those who hear about the story, who you will most likely run across again in your career.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13581 on: June 08, 2016, 01:38:30 PM »
It is funny, I am known to say something similar..."The deal is simple, I keep showing up and the paycheck keeps showing up, if either one stops, so does the other."

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13582 on: June 08, 2016, 01:40:09 PM »
It is funny, I am known to say something similar..."The deal is simple, I keep showing up and the paycheck keeps showing up, if either one stops, so does the other."
My stock answer to "how is work?" is along similar lines - "I keep showing up; they keep paying me."

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13583 on: June 08, 2016, 01:59:03 PM »
That said: don't be a dick. Call the company with who you took the job and explain that, unfortunately, you won't be there Monday for X reason. Don't let people hang around and wait. You'll burn the bridge with the company either way, but at least this means you're maintaining some semblance of professional courtesy for those who hear about the story, who you will most likely run across again in your career.

Pretty much that. Everybody understands the job market, but have the stones to let the employer know so they can call up the next candidate on the list - who might also need the job.

We had somebody accept a job, then not show up. He was such a wuss that he didn't even answer phone calls or emails, I guess hoping we'd just go away. After several days somebody finally managed to get the story from a friend-of-a-friend kind of route. HR was on the verge of calling for a police wellness check on the guy. Probably better to not hire somebody who's that averse to conflict anyway.

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« Reply #13584 on: June 08, 2016, 02:26:44 PM »
Oh, and the employee that brought me the message...we only hired him because the original guy backed out. I actually didn't like him, but am glad that I was overruled...this guy has been worth his weight in gold, and has been given raises every 6 months because he keeps justifying his worth.

Could you give more detail on this? It sounds like a great attitude that you've come around. In my personal experience, managers seem to stick by people they liked and hired, regardless of performance, and continuously treat employees they were overruled on poorly. For that reason, if I ever knew that the person hiring me didn't want to but was overruled, I'd decline the job.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13585 on: June 08, 2016, 04:51:42 PM »
Oh, and the employee that brought me the message...we only hired him because the original guy backed out. I actually didn't like him, but am glad that I was overruled...this guy has been worth his weight in gold, and has been given raises every 6 months because he keeps justifying his worth.

Could you give more detail on this? It sounds like a great attitude that you've come around. In my personal experience, managers seem to stick by people they liked and hired, regardless of performance, and continuously treat employees they were overruled on poorly. For that reason, if I ever knew that the person hiring me didn't want to but was overruled, I'd decline the job.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13586 on: June 08, 2016, 06:02:01 PM »
Not something I overhead as much as something I saw during a work-related trip.

The night before we were due to fly home, my colleague paid $3 to print her boarding pass at the hotel, even though they can be printed at the airport FOR FREE. She just whipped out her credit card when the hotel computer said that printing cost money, without even blinking an eye.

Also seen on the same trip: She got a hotel room upgrade ($15/night, 4 nights = $60) so she could check in a few hours early. We arrived early on Sunday morning and the upgraded room was available whereas her booked room (that was paid for by work) was not. She had plans to go and explore the city, but I guess it was just that valuable to her to be able to drop off her bags in her room rather than at the reception desk...
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13587 on: June 08, 2016, 07:05:46 PM »
Oh, and the employee that brought me the message...we only hired him because the original guy backed out. I actually didn't like him, but am glad that I was overruled...this guy has been worth his weight in gold, and has been given raises every 6 months because he keeps justifying his worth.

Could you give more detail on this? It sounds like a great attitude that you've come around. In my personal experience, managers seem to stick by people they liked and hired, regardless of performance, and continuously treat employees they were overruled on poorly. For that reason, if I ever knew that the person hiring me didn't want to but was overruled, I'd decline the job.

If it's too long and foamy of a story, feel free to PM me.
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I don't want to share too many specifics but I should add that when I said I didn't like him, I didn't mean that I didn't like him personally, I just thought that he wouldn't be a good fit here.

In general, the person is somewhat loud (unable/unwilling to control the volume of his voice) and repeats himself. During his interview he was asked a simple question that he repeated the answer three times to. I thought that this would turn off customers. His previous experience was working at a department store as a salesmen on the floor, which I didn't think was good experience.

He's as sturdy as Tardigrade and won't take no for an answer from a customer. Within a week of working there he demanded that he be allowed to go out and sell to local stores. At the time my company dealt almost exclusively with wholesalers and I thought that he would do it for a day or two and give up, instead he went and sold more than I expected and at much higher margins than we get selling to wholesalers.

Additionally, his work ethic is unreal. It turns out that he lived in Spain before coming to America and was a salesmen there, and was really good, but left it off his resume due to some bad advice. Had he done so, he likely would have gotten hired by another company far sooner.

There are a ton of products that I'm not able to move to wholesalers that he's been able to sell. As a result I've been able to bring in a lot of products that I wouldn't have considered previously.

Let's just say that I am very glad to be wrong.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13588 on: June 08, 2016, 07:14:37 PM »
Was talking to some coworkers about houses, since a few folks I work with are buying / bought houses.

Somehow credit cards came up and the idea of paying interest vs just paying them off came up and coworker basically implied that when you buy a house there are lots of big purchases that you have to pay interest on (appliances, furniture, etc).

Oh well. I'd guess they are putting very little down, too.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13589 on: June 08, 2016, 07:19:28 PM »
He's as sturdy as Tardigrade and won't take no for an answer from a customer.

Let's just say that I am very glad to be wrong.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13590 on: June 08, 2016, 07:38:00 PM »
Not something I overhead as much as something I saw during a work-related trip.

The night before we were due to fly home, my colleague paid $3 to print her boarding pass at the hotel, even though they can be printed at the airport FOR FREE. She just whipped out her credit card when the hotel computer said that printing cost money, without even blinking an eye.

Also seen on the same trip: She got a hotel room upgrade ($15/night, 4 nights = $60) so she could check in a few hours early. We arrived early on Sunday morning and the upgraded room was available whereas her booked room (that was paid for by work) was not. She had plans to go and explore the city, but I guess it was just that valuable to her to be able to drop off her bags in her room rather than at the reception desk...
Since you say this is work related was this on the company credit card.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13591 on: June 08, 2016, 09:08:53 PM »
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Since you say this is work related was this on the company credit card.

Nope - we work for the government and anything extra like an unnecessary room upgrade needs to be paid out of pocket. She did try to include the $3 printing charge on her travel claim, but was rejected.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13592 on: June 09, 2016, 07:59:00 AM »
Something I found out today at work, so it counts, right?

Another team in my department was supposed to have a new person start this week. Orientation Monday, then first day in the department Tuesday. He wasn't here yesterday. Today, I found out why. Monday, he emailed HR and said that he wasn't taking the job, and was going to stay with his current company. He'd accepted the job offer 2-3 weeks ago.

He's blacklisted with HR - will never even get an interview here again.

Meh, I don't see this as that strange if you are in a high demand field. The last time I switched jobs, my boss was trying to get me to stay up until the time that he walked me out to my car on my last Friday (with me starting the new job the following Monday).  I didn't take those last minute counter offers because I had non-financial reasons for leaving the company, but if that had not been true and the counter offers had been high enough I would have performed a last-minute turn around at the car with no remorse.  Maximizing your own time and value is more important than loyalty to some organization that you don't even work for yet, especially given the 'at-will' employment laws in most of the US.

On one hand: yes. I've had conversations with old colleagues before where people will criticize other people for 'not having any loyalty to the company' and I'm like... please explain yourself. I have as much loyalty to the company as they have to me, which is to say, zilch. What we have is a mutually satisfying business agreement that can be disolved from either side should it cease to be satisfying. Since the company is NEVER going to give me more loyalty than that, I'd be kind of a fool to be 'loyal' in absence of returned loyalty.

That said: don't be a dick. Call the company with who you took the job and explain that, unfortunately, you won't be there Monday for X reason. Don't let people hang around and wait. You'll burn the bridge with the company either way, but at least this means you're maintaining some semblance of professional courtesy for those who hear about the story, who you will most likely run across again in your career.

The gentleman in Sibley's story did contact HR to let them know he wasn't coming although it was definitely last minute.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13593 on: June 09, 2016, 08:27:27 AM »
I am as loyal to my company as they are to me..

Want more loyalty from me? Build a contractual notice period of say two months both ways.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13594 on: June 09, 2016, 09:20:14 AM »
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Since you say this is work related was this on the company credit card.

Nope - we work for the government and anything extra like an unnecessary room upgrade needs to be paid out of pocket. She did try to include the $3 printing charge on her travel claim, but was rejected.
Wow, rejected for $3? I understand it was rightly rejected as it was completely frivolous and unnecessary but my company doesn't even require a receipt until the expenditure hits $75. They discovered it was actually costing the company more to pay people to analyze every single expense than we were losing to any low-level "fraud" through expense reports. To be honest, there just wasn't a lot of unjustified expenses being claimed. I can think of only 1 person in the last ~15 years who was fired for something semi-related and that's because he was towing his boat with his company van. While it's possible unjustified expenses have increased (since nobody is really looking too close at the little things now) but in talking "off the record" to my peers I don't think so.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13595 on: June 09, 2016, 09:53:23 AM »
So my coworker who is around my age chose to sign up for cable when he moved into his apartment because he plans to get a TV at some point (he has no TV)

But he can't get his TV yet because he needs somewhere to sit so he needs to buy a recliner first.

But he can't buy a recliner yet because he hasn't done any research or shopping for his recliner.

And he hasn't done any research or shopping because he hasn't had enough time or been to lazy to do it

and he can't cancel cable because he is planning on getting a TV at some point... ya know... after he buys his recliner



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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13596 on: June 09, 2016, 09:57:53 AM »
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Since you say this is work related was this on the company credit card.

Nope - we work for the government and anything extra like an unnecessary room upgrade needs to be paid out of pocket. She did try to include the $3 printing charge on her travel claim, but was rejected.
Wow, rejected for $3? I understand it was rightly rejected as it was completely frivolous and unnecessary but my company doesn't even require a receipt until the expenditure hits $75. They discovered it was actually costing the company more to pay people to analyze every single expense than we were losing to any low-level "fraud" through expense reports. To be honest, there just wasn't a lot of unjustified expenses being claimed. I can think of only 1 person in the last ~15 years who was fired for something semi-related and that's because he was towing his boat with his company van. While it's possible unjustified expenses have increased (since nobody is really looking too close at the little things now) but in talking "off the record" to my peers I don't think so.

Government employment has come under greater scrutiny in the past decade, perhaps that could be why they are so stingy on reimbursements, even though it likely costs the taxpayers more to monitor each expense.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13597 on: June 09, 2016, 10:01:30 AM »
So my coworker who is around my age chose to sign up for cable when he moved into his apartment because he plans to get a TV at some point (he has no TV)

But he can't get his TV yet because he needs somewhere to sit so he needs to buy a recliner first.

But he can't buy a recliner yet because he hasn't done any research or shopping for his recliner.

And he hasn't done any research or shopping because he hasn't had enough time or been to lazy to do it

and he can't cancel cable because he is planning on getting a TV at some point... ya know... after he buys his recliner



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Wow.  Paying for cable is one thing.  Paying for cable that you can't even use?  Just wow.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13598 on: June 09, 2016, 10:29:18 AM »
So my coworker who is around my age chose to sign up for cable when he moved into his apartment because he plans to get a TV at some point (he has no TV)

But he can't get his TV yet because he needs somewhere to sit so he needs to buy a recliner first.

But he can't buy a recliner yet because he hasn't done any research or shopping for his recliner.

And he hasn't done any research or shopping because he hasn't had enough time or been to lazy to do it

and he can't cancel cable because he is planning on getting a TV at some point... ya know... after he buys his recliner



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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13599 on: June 09, 2016, 10:59:33 AM »
Wow, rejected for $3? I understand it was rightly rejected as it was completely frivolous and unnecessary but my company doesn't even require a receipt until the expenditure hits $75.

I had an expenses claim rejected because I had under claimed by 18p. I spent an afternoon first explaining that I wasn't bothered about 18p, then that this was only because I'd applied an exchange rate to a total rather than rounding every item, and then redoing the entire claim. This tied up my time and a senior partner's time. When we are not arguing about expenses we each bill at over £1000 per day.
18p.