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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13100 on: April 07, 2016, 05:53:42 AM »


Wait. Not paying out owed vacation is legal in the US??? Seriously?

No, it's not.
It depends on what kind of employment contract you have with the company. If they terminate your employment, a lot of times they have every right to not pay you for your banked vacation time.

This also varies by state.

At my last job, even though I quit, I got paid out for ~90 hours of vacation unexpectedly - after researching it further I found out that my company was headquartered in a state where paying out accrued vacation is legally required by state law.

Was a nice bonus I was not expecting!

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13101 on: April 07, 2016, 07:29:56 AM »


Wait. Not paying out owed vacation is legal in the US??? Seriously?

No, it's not.
It depends on what kind of employment contract you have with the company. If they terminate your employment, a lot of times they have every right to not pay you for your banked vacation time.

This also varies by state.

At my last job, even though I quit, I got paid out for ~90 hours of vacation unexpectedly - after researching it further I found out that my company was headquartered in a state where paying out accrued vacation is legally required by state law.

Was a nice bonus I was not expecting!

However, a key note is that vacation days are not the same as PTO days. If you have vacation and sick separate, then the laws apply to the vacation days, but if you have them combined, then the law does fuck all.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13102 on: April 07, 2016, 09:55:52 AM »


Wait. Not paying out owed vacation is legal in the US??? Seriously?

No, it's not.
It depends on what kind of employment contract you have with the company. If they terminate your employment, a lot of times they have every right to not pay you for your banked vacation time.

This also varies by state.

At my last job, even though I quit, I got paid out for ~90 hours of vacation unexpectedly - after researching it further I found out that my company was headquartered in a state where paying out accrued vacation is legally required by state law.

Was a nice bonus I was not expecting!

However, a key note is that vacation days are not the same as PTO days. If you have vacation and sick separate, then the laws apply to the vacation days, but if you have them combined, then the law does fuck all.
In CA it doesn't matter - vacation, PTO, you get it paid out.  If you get separate sick leave, they don't have to pay it out.

"While PTO is an acceptable benefit, employers are warned that the Labor Commissioner will consider the entire sum of PTO to be vacation. Therefore, the entire amount of accrued but unused PTO granted to employees must be paid out at the termination of the employment relationship."

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13103 on: April 07, 2016, 09:58:54 AM »


Wait. Not paying out owed vacation is legal in the US??? Seriously?

No, it's not.
It depends on what kind of employment contract you have with the company. If they terminate your employment, a lot of times they have every right to not pay you for your banked vacation time.

This also varies by state.

At my last job, even though I quit, I got paid out for ~90 hours of vacation unexpectedly - after researching it further I found out that my company was headquartered in a state where paying out accrued vacation is legally required by state law.

Was a nice bonus I was not expecting!

This happened to me, too!  I had way more days saved up than I got credit for, but I was expecting 0, so it was a nice ~$1,500 surprise.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13104 on: April 07, 2016, 09:59:53 AM »


Wait. Not paying out owed vacation is legal in the US??? Seriously?

No, it's not.
It depends on what kind of employment contract you have with the company. If they terminate your employment, a lot of times they have every right to not pay you for your banked vacation time.

This also varies by state.

At my last job, even though I quit, I got paid out for ~90 hours of vacation unexpectedly - after researching it further I found out that my company was headquartered in a state where paying out accrued vacation is legally required by state law.

Was a nice bonus I was not expecting!

However, a key note is that vacation days are not the same as PTO days. If you have vacation and sick separate, then the laws apply to the vacation days, but if you have them combined, then the law does fuck all.
In CA it doesn't matter - vacation, PTO, you get it paid out.  If you get separate sick leave, they don't have to pay it out.

"While PTO is an acceptable benefit, employers are warned that the Labor Commissioner will consider the entire sum of PTO to be vacation. Therefore, the entire amount of accrued but unused PTO granted to employees must be paid out at the termination of the employment relationship."

Ah, California. I think Ne York has the vacation provision but not the PTO provision or something. Stupid IMO, but that's how US labor law is.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13105 on: April 07, 2016, 10:45:58 AM »

Words spoken by me, at work, today, to my boss: "she is my colleague, but she is not entitled to scream at me, belittle me, or call me names, in private OR in front of the rest of the team. You can either ensure that she never does it again, or you have two weeks to work on my transition plan.".

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13106 on: April 07, 2016, 10:52:24 AM »

Words spoken by me, at work, today, to my boss: "she is my colleague, but she is not entitled to scream at me, belittle me, or call me names, in private OR in front of the rest of the team. You can either ensure that she never does it again, or you have two weeks to work on my transition plan."

I am not FI, but we have no debt (as of this month) and can make ends meet on one salary. Obviously I'd like to keep earning money, but not badly enough to put up with this. God, it's so freeing.

That's awesome! That's what really opened my eyes to being frugal is that by having money saved and needing less money than others to live, it opens so many more possibilities. Right now if everything goes to shit and I need to live off my savings, I could probably last at least 20 years (assuming interest on my nest egg). That is power very few people have.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13107 on: April 07, 2016, 01:48:24 PM »

Words spoken by me, at work, today, to my boss: "she is my colleague, but she is not entitled to scream at me, belittle me, or call me names, in private OR in front of the rest of the team. You can either ensure that she never does it again, or you have two weeks to work on my transition plan."

I am not FI, but we have no debt (as of this month) and can make ends meet on one salary. Obviously I'd like to keep earning money, but not badly enough to put up with this. God, it's so freeing.

That's awesome! That's what really opened my eyes to being frugal is that by having money saved and needing less money than others to live, it opens so many more possibilities. Right now if everything goes to shit and I need to live off my savings, I could probably last at least 20 years (assuming interest on my nest egg). That is power very few people have.

Several years ago I and another colleague were yelled at by a coworker. During the event, I stood up to the coworker, even though they technically outranked me. Second, the boss was in town so I went to their office and said That I refuse to be treated this way. I don't need this job that badly. Coworker got in trouble. Later offered one of those non-apologies (sorry, but here's my excuse). Ha - don't care if you are sorry. I do care that you don't do it again.

We'd love to hear your Chapter 2 (does boss talk to colleague? Does colleague stop bad behavior? Are you indirectly punished for bringing this up?).

Chapter 2, in summary:
- He promised to talk to her
- He DID talk to her
- She got annoyed and said that I was 'difficult' because I 'get angry when she blames me for things'
- He had a talk with everyone about how he expects reasonable behavior, etc
- He basically told me that 'it's how she is'
- I sent out 3 resumés to other interesting-looking jobs, because fuck that. I'll stay as long as she's polite and I haven't accepted another job, but that's about the sum total of my commitment right now. So fucking done.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13108 on: April 07, 2016, 02:43:39 PM »
Was walking home the other day, when a woman in a new(ish) F150 pulled up and asked me for money for gas! This is not the first time recently someone in a fancy ass gas guzzler has asked me for money! It takes all of my willpower not to lecture them on not being leveraged up to the hilt on car loans!

Coming to think of it maybe we need someone to print cards with MMM's website on it. Then next time I get asked I can go "here, i've got something for ya" and just hand over the card.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13109 on: April 07, 2016, 03:30:58 PM »
Was walking home the other day, when a woman in a new(ish) F150 pulled up and asked me for money for gas! This is not the first time recently someone in a fancy ass gas guzzler has asked me for money! It takes all of my willpower not to lecture them on not being leveraged up to the hilt on car loans!

To be frank, if I saw this in my city, I would assume it was a variation on panhandling and "gas" was just her cover story.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13110 on: April 07, 2016, 03:53:16 PM »
Was walking home the other day, when a woman in a new(ish) F150 pulled up and asked me for money for gas! This is not the first time recently someone in a fancy ass gas guzzler has asked me for money! It takes all of my willpower not to lecture them on not being leveraged up to the hilt on car loans!

This happened to me this past weekend, except they asked for money for food and not gas.... and they were smoking.  I fully understand the addiction to the smokes, did it for years.  But I never chose it over food.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13111 on: April 07, 2016, 04:03:12 PM »
Was walking home the other day, when a woman in a new(ish) F150 pulled up and asked me for money for gas! This is not the first time recently someone in a fancy ass gas guzzler has asked me for money! It takes all of my willpower not to lecture them on not being leveraged up to the hilt on car loans!

To be frank, if I saw this in my city, I would assume it was a variation on panhandling and "gas" was just her cover story.
I've actually had this happen to me several times recently.  It'd kinda weird.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13112 on: April 07, 2016, 05:47:30 PM »
When a panhandler figures out a new scam that gets people to fork over money, that scam covers the nation in really short order.   

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13113 on: April 07, 2016, 06:15:04 PM »
Living in Alberta with so much of the economy dependent on oil there are heaps of people debted up to the eyeballs and likely struggling to make payments on all sorts of things. Not a smart thing to do when your whole economy is boom/bust based on one commodity.

Hence the big truck and no money thing is believable but I have little sympathy.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13114 on: April 08, 2016, 08:07:49 AM »
Picture of an oil rig posted by a friend with a caption that said "please just let there be one more oil boom! I promise I won't buy dumb shit this time!" -__-

Which reminds me, does anyone here watch CBS Sunday Morning? Maybe two months ago or so, there was a story on the price of oil dropping and oil rigs shutting down. They interviewed a man who had worked on the rig and he had the whole "woe is me, no work, bad for the economy" story. His truck had been repossessed, his wife hospitalized from the stress of no income, worried about the house being foreclosed on. Then, this man reveals that when oil was up and the rig was productive, he was making $1700-1800 PER DAY. WHAT. Why did you finance a new truck? Assuming you bring home $1700 a day for 30 days, you could have bought a fully loaded new truck IN CASH. And how were you not putting any money away for a rainy day so you could pay your mortgage? I just had absolutely no sympathy after hearing that.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13115 on: April 08, 2016, 08:09:45 AM »

Words spoken by me, at work, today, to my boss: "she is my colleague, but she is not entitled to scream at me, belittle me, or call me names, in private OR in front of the rest of the team. You can either ensure that she never does it again, or you have two weeks to work on my transition plan."

I am not FI, but we have no debt (as of this month) and can make ends meet on one salary. Obviously I'd like to keep earning money, but not badly enough to put up with this. God, it's so freeing.

That's awesome! That's what really opened my eyes to being frugal is that by having money saved and needing less money than others to live, it opens so many more possibilities. Right now if everything goes to shit and I need to live off my savings, I could probably last at least 20 years (assuming interest on my nest egg). That is power very few people have.

Several years ago I and another colleague were yelled at by a coworker. During the event, I stood up to the coworker, even though they technically outranked me. Second, the boss was in town so I went to their office and said That I refuse to be treated this way. I don't need this job that badly. Coworker got in trouble. Later offered one of those non-apologies (sorry, but here's my excuse). Ha - don't care if you are sorry. I do care that you don't do it again.

We'd love to hear your Chapter 2 (does boss talk to colleague? Does colleague stop bad behavior? Are you indirectly punished for bringing this up?).

Chapter 2, in summary:
- He promised to talk to her
- He DID talk to her
- She got annoyed and said that I was 'difficult' because I 'get angry when she blames me for things'
- He had a talk with everyone about how he expects reasonable behavior, etc
- He basically told me that 'it's how she is'
- I sent out 3 resumés to other interesting-looking jobs, because fuck that. I'll stay as long as she's polite and I haven't accepted another job, but that's about the sum total of my commitment right now. So fucking done.

I hate the 'that's how s/he is' cop out, or the 'it's part of your job to get along at with co-workers'.  Fuck that. Do you ever see these folks yell at the boss or higher ups - NO, you do not. Their behavior is situational and they yell at you because they think they can get away with it. Nope, nope, nope, nope.
At least your boss did some follow-up, though could do better.

Indeed. I notice that the people who claim that snotty or abusive behavior is somehow part of their individual essence are able to keep a lid on it when they're talking to a police officer, a judge, or the head of their company. They are 100% capable of containing themselves when they know their actions have consequences. That's why there's lots of spouse abuse, child abuse, and elder abuse, but not a lot of best friend abuse.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13116 on: April 08, 2016, 08:45:39 AM »
My workplace is generally even keeled, but one of my coworkers is in the process of moving and his recent decisions have baffled me.  He is trading his affordable house 1.5 miles from work for a more expensive one 26 miles away across a stretch of highway with just the worst rush hour traffic in the area.  He has admitted that he only chose the house he did because they put his current house up for sale and got an offer before they had even looked at new houses, so they went on a 10 house shopping-spree in one day and just picked their favorite to put an offer on since they need to be out within a month.  The truly terrible thing is that this is not even the area that they really want to move to, but he refuses to live in his parents guest house (which was plan B if they didn't find a house) while trying to get a house in the area they actually like which is 5 miles from work.  I tried talking to him about just how terrible his new commute will be (I had to do it for a short time while taking my life to work), but he is set on it even though he know how much money he'll be throwing out with his drive.

I am also sad because I had just convinced him to start bike commuting, since I bike right by his house during my commute, but he was waiting for better weather first. So close!
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13117 on: April 08, 2016, 08:54:07 AM »
Picture of an oil rig posted by a friend with a caption that said "please just let there be one more oil boom! I promise I won't buy dumb shit this time!" -__-

Which reminds me, does anyone here watch CBS Sunday Morning? Maybe two months ago or so, there was a story on the price of oil dropping and oil rigs shutting down. They interviewed a man who had worked on the rig and he had the whole "woe is me, no work, bad for the economy" story. His truck had been repossessed, his wife hospitalized from the stress of no income, worried about the house being foreclosed on. Then, this man reveals that when oil was up and the rig was productive, he was making $1700-1800 PER DAY. WHAT. Why did you finance a new truck? Assuming you bring home $1700 a day for 30 days, you could have bought a fully loaded new truck IN CASH. And how were you not putting any money away for a rainy day so you could pay your mortgage? I just had absolutely no sympathy after hearing that.

Was he still paying off the rig though?  It's possible a lot of that was going straight to business expenses.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13118 on: April 08, 2016, 08:58:11 AM »
Picture of an oil rig posted by a friend with a caption that said "please just let there be one more oil boom! I promise I won't buy dumb shit this time!" -__-

Which reminds me, does anyone here watch CBS Sunday Morning? Maybe two months ago or so, there was a story on the price of oil dropping and oil rigs shutting down. They interviewed a man who had worked on the rig and he had the whole "woe is me, no work, bad for the economy" story. His truck had been repossessed, his wife hospitalized from the stress of no income, worried about the house being foreclosed on. Then, this man reveals that when oil was up and the rig was productive, he was making $1700-1800 PER DAY. WHAT. Why did you finance a new truck? Assuming you bring home $1700 a day for 30 days, you could have bought a fully loaded new truck IN CASH. And how were you not putting any money away for a rainy day so you could pay your mortgage? I just had absolutely no sympathy after hearing that.

Was he still paying off the rig though?  It's possible a lot of that was going straight to business expenses.
Doesn't say he owned it, just one of the employees.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13119 on: April 08, 2016, 08:59:51 AM »
Picture of an oil rig posted by a friend with a caption that said "please just let there be one more oil boom! I promise I won't buy dumb shit this time!" -__-

Which reminds me, does anyone here watch CBS Sunday Morning? Maybe two months ago or so, there was a story on the price of oil dropping and oil rigs shutting down. They interviewed a man who had worked on the rig and he had the whole "woe is me, no work, bad for the economy" story. His truck had been repossessed, his wife hospitalized from the stress of no income, worried about the house being foreclosed on. Then, this man reveals that when oil was up and the rig was productive, he was making $1700-1800 PER DAY. WHAT. Why did you finance a new truck? Assuming you bring home $1700 a day for 30 days, you could have bought a fully loaded new truck IN CASH. And how were you not putting any money away for a rainy day so you could pay your mortgage? I just had absolutely no sympathy after hearing that.

Was he still paying off the rig though?  It's possible a lot of that was going straight to business expenses.
Doesn't say he owned it, just one of the employees.

Wow, I assumed making that much he must have been the owner.  Yeah, just dumb then.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13120 on: April 08, 2016, 09:46:29 AM »
Picture of an oil rig posted by a friend with a caption that said "please just let there be one more oil boom! I promise I won't buy dumb shit this time!" -__-

Which reminds me, does anyone here watch CBS Sunday Morning? Maybe two months ago or so, there was a story on the price of oil dropping and oil rigs shutting down. They interviewed a man who had worked on the rig and he had the whole "woe is me, no work, bad for the economy" story. His truck had been repossessed, his wife hospitalized from the stress of no income, worried about the house being foreclosed on. Then, this man reveals that when oil was up and the rig was productive, he was making $1700-1800 PER DAY. WHAT. Why did you finance a new truck? Assuming you bring home $1700 a day for 30 days, you could have bought a fully loaded new truck IN CASH. And how were you not putting any money away for a rainy day so you could pay your mortgage? I just had absolutely no sympathy after hearing that.

Was he still paying off the rig though?  It's possible a lot of that was going straight to business expenses.
Doesn't say he owned it, just one of the employees.

Wow, I assumed making that much he must have been the owner.  Yeah, just dumb then.

Nope. Just an employee. He also mentioned that he had been around so long that the industry had "gone bust" 3 times before. So it's not like this was a surprise to him.

Also, apologies to everyone, I definitely thought I posted this on the Overheard at Facebook thread. That's what I get for having multiple tabs open.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13121 on: April 08, 2016, 10:13:00 AM »
Was walking home the other day, when a woman in a new(ish) F150 pulled up and asked me for money for gas! This is not the first time recently someone in a fancy ass gas guzzler has asked me for money! It takes all of my willpower not to lecture them on not being leveraged up to the hilt on car loans!

Coming to think of it maybe we need someone to print cards with MMM's website on it. Then next time I get asked I can go "here, i've got something for ya" and just hand over the card.

This is a common scam - asking for gas money. They do not need gas, it is just another form of begging/scamming/being an asshole.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13122 on: April 08, 2016, 10:28:32 AM »
Was walking home the other day, when a woman in a new(ish) F150 pulled up and asked me for money for gas! This is not the first time recently someone in a fancy ass gas guzzler has asked me for money! It takes all of my willpower not to lecture them on not being leveraged up to the hilt on car loans!

I'd've been like, "Lady, if I had money, I wouldn't be walking!" (She doesn't know I'm carless by choice, after all.)

The equivalent around here is, "Please give me [oddly specific # of] cents for a bus pass." I've offered them bus passes; only one person ever took it.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13123 on: April 08, 2016, 10:33:46 AM »
Was walking home the other day, when a woman in a new(ish) F150 pulled up and asked me for money for gas! This is not the first time recently someone in a fancy ass gas guzzler has asked me for money! It takes all of my willpower not to lecture them on not being leveraged up to the hilt on car loans!

I'd've been like, "Lady, if I had money, I wouldn't be walking!" (She doesn't know I'm carless by choice, after all.)

The equivalent around here is, "Please give me [oddly specific # of] cents for a bus pass." I've offered them bus passes; only one person ever took it.

I'll give them food. Never any money though, ESPECIALLY if they're asking for money for the CTA (Chicago's Bus/Rapid Rail system). Call me selfish and a horrible person, but whenever a homeless person is on the EL, it is a markedly worse ride.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13124 on: April 08, 2016, 10:37:13 AM »
When a panhandler figures out a new scam that gets people to fork over money, that scam covers the nation in really short order.
The gas thing happened to me several years ago.  It was probably 7 or 7:30 am, on my way to work.  There were about 5 other cars in the gas station, all men but me.  One nicely dressed, middle-aged woman in a minivan, "on a business trip and I need gas".  I just said "um, sorry".  I felt a little bad, but ... first of all, on a business trip in a van without a credit card?

Second, she mysteriously drove away without asking any of the men. 

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13125 on: April 08, 2016, 10:46:31 AM »
I was taken for a ride in a similar scam a few months back. On the parking lot at Kroger, a woman with two young kids in tow asked for $5 to catch the bus. I opened my wallet without thinking and gave her $10 (nothing smaller). The way she took the bill from my hand and walked away instantly revealed this wasn't her first rodeo.

Oh well. I wonder if the kids are coached to behave a certain way when their mother pulls that little trick.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13126 on: April 08, 2016, 10:54:37 AM »
When a panhandler figures out a new scam that gets people to fork over money, that scam covers the nation in really short order.
The gas thing happened to me several years ago.  It was probably 7 or 7:30 am, on my way to work.  There were about 5 other cars in the gas station, all men but me.  One nicely dressed, middle-aged woman in a minivan, "on a business trip and I need gas".  I just said "um, sorry".  I felt a little bad, but ... first of all, on a business trip in a van without a credit card?

Second, she mysteriously drove away without asking any of the men.

Eh...probably a scam, but I wouldn't have wanted to go to the men either. Seems too much like the setup to a porno.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13127 on: April 08, 2016, 11:17:23 AM »
I think I fell victim to one a few years back.  A kid (late teens/early 20s) approached me at a BART station in downtown San Francisco needing money for a ticket to a station at the end of the line and then a cab to get home. Think he was looking for $20 or so. I happened to have $4 (surprising because I rarely carry cash) and gave it to him saying 'sorry all I have good luck'. He replies with 'well there's an ATM around the corner...'  Um fuck no.  I just walked off at that point although I really wanted to demand my $4 back.

I got accosted a few years later in a Target parking lot.  A young woman said her purse had been stolen and needed money for a cab home to get her spare car keys. Something felt off and I said "sorry I can't help you" and then she turned all nasty being like "clearly you're not blah blah ..."  Looking back I should have offered to call the police or go get Target security. I mean she'd been robbed - wouldn't they be more helpful then hitting up strangers for cash?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13128 on: April 08, 2016, 11:30:44 AM »
When I was in college there are a bunch of "homeless" people around asking for money. If you ever gave them anything they would instantly ask for more money or ask you to go buy them something warm to eat. I use the quotes because a few of the homeless men had apartments or would stay with family at night but would panhandle because they were making more money than they could at an office job.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13129 on: April 08, 2016, 11:32:23 AM »
I think I fell victim to one a few years back.  A kid (late teens/early 20s) approached me at a BART station in downtown San Francisco needing money for a ticket to a station at the end of the line and then a cab to get home. Think he was looking for $20 or so. I happened to have $4 (surprising because I rarely carry cash) and gave it to him saying 'sorry all I have good luck'. He replies with 'well there's an ATM around the corner...'  Um fuck no.  I just walked off at that point although I really wanted to demand my $4 back.

I got accosted a few years later in a Target parking lot.  A young woman said her purse had been stolen and needed money for a cab home to get her spare car keys. Something felt off and I said "sorry I can't help you" and then she turned all nasty being like "clearly you're not blah blah ..."  Looking back I should have offered to call the police or go get Target security. I mean she'd been robbed - wouldn't they be more helpful then hitting up strangers for cash?

That's obnoxious.  I will say, I once got genuinely caught as a 12 or 13 year old in downtown Philly with no sweater or way to make it home when my wallet was stolen, and was very thankful when a middle-aged woman gave me $5.  I think being an 80-lbs white pre-teen girl was a definite advantage there.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13130 on: April 08, 2016, 11:44:49 AM »
I'll give them food. Never any money though, ESPECIALLY if they're asking for money for the CTA (Chicago's Bus/Rapid Rail system). Call me selfish and a horrible person, but whenever a homeless person is on the EL, it is a markedly worse ride.
Oddly enough, the one person who took the pass (a 1-day Ventra) was on the El. His story was that he needed money for a bus pass for an interview the next day. I think he actually needed it. (Agree with you about worse rides. This one time a woman pulled out a can of Febreze to cover up the homeless smell. One of life's minor heroes. I almost applauded.)

I've been walking home with a doggy bag and been asked for my leftovers before. No problem with that, since they'll probably just rot in the back of my fridge (the leftovers, not the homeless guys).
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13131 on: April 08, 2016, 12:36:41 PM »

 (Agree with you about worse rides. This one time a woman pulled out a can of Febreze to cover up the homeless smell. One of life's minor heroes. I almost applauded.)


That is amazing. Wow.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13132 on: April 08, 2016, 01:13:08 PM »

 (Agree with you about worse rides. This one time a woman pulled out a can of Febreze to cover up the homeless smell. One of life's minor heroes. I almost applauded.)


That is amazing. Wow.

Reminds me of this bit by Daniel Tosh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auMVCfIp1ZY

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13133 on: April 08, 2016, 01:22:35 PM »
Was walking home the other day, when a woman in a new(ish) F150 pulled up and asked me for money for gas! This is not the first time recently someone in a fancy ass gas guzzler has asked me for money! It takes all of my willpower not to lecture them on not being leveraged up to the hilt on car loans!

I'd've been like, "Lady, if I had money, I wouldn't be walking!" (She doesn't know I'm carless by choice, after all.)

The equivalent around here is, "Please give me [oddly specific # of] cents for a bus pass." I've offered them bus passes; only one person ever took it.

I'll give them food. Never any money though, ESPECIALLY if they're asking for money for the CTA (Chicago's Bus/Rapid Rail system). Call me selfish and a horrible person, but whenever a homeless person is on the EL, it is a markedly worse ride.
I was in the middle of one such incident and I wished I had my gas mask.  I switched to a different section asap.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13134 on: April 08, 2016, 01:26:45 PM »
(Agree with you about worse rides. This one time a woman pulled out a can of Febreze to cover up the homeless smell. One of life's minor heroes. I almost applauded.)
That is amazing. Wow.
Reminds me of this bit by Daniel Tosh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auMVCfIp1ZY

Wow... maybe she'd seen that? She didn't actually Febreze the guy; he was in the little driver hutch at the end of the car. He was just VERY pungent.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13135 on: April 08, 2016, 01:58:13 PM »
Was walking home the other day, when a woman in a new(ish) F150 pulled up and asked me for money for gas! This is not the first time recently someone in a fancy ass gas guzzler has asked me for money! It takes all of my willpower not to lecture them on not being leveraged up to the hilt on car loans!

I'd've been like, "Lady, if I had money, I wouldn't be walking!" (She doesn't know I'm carless by choice, after all.)

The equivalent around here is, "Please give me [oddly specific # of] cents for a bus pass." I've offered them bus passes; only one person ever took it.

I'll give them food. Never any money though, ESPECIALLY if they're asking for money for the CTA (Chicago's Bus/Rapid Rail system). Call me selfish and a horrible person, but whenever a homeless person is on the EL, it is a markedly worse ride.
I was in the middle of one such incident and I wished I had my gas mask.  I switched to a different section asap.

One time I was scanning my ticket through the turnstile and I hear the train arriving. Sprint up the stairs, and I have about 3 stairs left when I hear "Doors Closing" and slide in the car right next to the stairs. Ahh, sweet, it is empty! I learned a lesson. There is a reason if there is only one car that is empty. In this case, a passed out person who either had defecated himself numerous times, or had a rotting limb.

That lasted one stop. Fun fact, I can hold my breath between the Western and Damen blue line stops.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13136 on: April 09, 2016, 08:59:24 PM »
Wait. Not paying out owed vacation is legal in the US??? Seriously?
See this is why we gotta elect Donald, he'll set things right

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13137 on: April 09, 2016, 09:10:13 PM »
Co-Worker yesterday...

"I know what you mean about not taking on any debt at all. I don't either. I get my inlaws to write me loans instead. They charge me half the interest the bank does!"

I can't decide whether this is smart or not, but either way, its still debt.

Sounds like a great way to develop co-dependence, put all your eggs in one (family's) basket, and also not get credit on your credit score for timely payments. Pass.
Otoh if your family isn't made of shitheads I'd rather give 300k in mortgage interest to a family member than to Lloyd Blankfein or whoever.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13138 on: April 09, 2016, 10:01:35 PM »
I've been walking home with a doggy bag and been asked for my leftovers before.
Totally thought you meant the little green poop bags.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13139 on: April 11, 2016, 01:14:48 PM »
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Not strictly anti-MMM in the financial sense, but if you want to know what lifetime servitude to the federal system does to people, here's an example.

Two GS-13s are currently having an argument over a cubicle.

Another former Fed here; the worst part of my time as a GS-14 was exactly this nonsense. Since so much in the Federal service is standardized (pay, time off, etc) all that is left to complain about is whether (1) someone else's workload is perceived to be lighter, (2) other people are getting to the office on time, and (3) who has a window in their cube. To paraphrase a famous quote, the fighting is so bitter because the stakes are so low.

I had a similar experience.  I'm a GS-12, and my boss is a GS-14 who spends most of his time at another location.  He is assigned a nice office in our building, which he rarely uses.  My job is very paper and file-heavy, and I am packed into a tiny space surrounded by my files.  He suggested that we trade spaces so that he would use my small space on the rare days he is at the office, and I would have the benefit of a nice sunny corner office with room for my stuff.  A GS-13 in another division (with a slightly smaller office than my boss) got wind of the trade and filed a grievance.  Sigh.  I am still in my shoebox (with a window, no worries really) and my boss is NEVER giving up his space.  All the GS-13 did was mess up my good luck and make an enemy out of my boss.  So it goes in gubmint.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13140 on: April 11, 2016, 01:25:37 PM »
Co-Worker yesterday...

"I know what you mean about not taking on any debt at all. I don't either. I get my inlaws to write me loans instead. They charge me half the interest the bank does!"

I can't decide whether this is smart or not, but either way, its still debt.

Sounds like a great way to develop co-dependence, put all your eggs in one (family's) basket, and also not get credit on your credit score for timely payments. Pass.
Otoh if your family isn't made of shitheads I'd rather give 300k in mortgage interest to a family member than to Lloyd Blankfein or whoever.

The problems with family deals is that they are too often based upon a smile and a handshake, and rarely any details upon paper.  If a real mortgage contract is signed, then there shouldn't be an issue about who is getting the interest income.  This would be a fine alternative to investing in corporate bonds, if you are actually confident that family members will actually pay you back.  You can't do this from a retirement account, though, unless you take out a 401K loan in order to do it.  It almost certainly needs to come from a taxable account.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13141 on: April 11, 2016, 01:42:42 PM »
I was taken for a ride in a similar scam a few months back. On the parking lot at Kroger, a woman with two young kids in tow asked for $5 to catch the bus. I opened my wallet without thinking and gave her $10 (nothing smaller). The way she took the bill from my hand and walked away instantly revealed this wasn't her first rodeo.

Oh well. I wonder if the kids are coached to behave a certain way when their mother pulls that little trick.

I work a booth selling [ag commodity] at our state fair every year.  It is a fundraiser for the state organization of producers of [ag commodity].  A woman comes up and orders $3 or $4 worth of items, and I am 90% sure handed me a $10 bill.  Being unpracticed in handling money, I didn't think to lay it on top of the counter where everyone could see it; instead I put in in the money drawer.  I hand her $6 or $7 worth of change.  She counts it then says "wait, I know I gave you a $20".  I give her a funny look and hesitate.    She didn't seem to have much  money, and she had a kid with her, so I was quickly deciding to just give her the extra $10 back as "change".  Well, then her daughter says "wait mom, nuh uh" and the mom tells her "hush!"  looks up and sees me looking, and says "yes honey I got a $20 form your father before we walked over here; you must not have seen it".  Since I had no way of proving she hadn't given me a $20, I ended up just giving her the change.  But forevermore I will place bills given to me on the counter until I have given back the proper change.  I'm guessing that woman walked all over the state fair and either made money or broke even with that routine.  You see, I gave her a new $10 to go to the next stand with.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13142 on: April 11, 2016, 09:43:50 PM »
I was taken for a ride in a similar scam a few months back. On the parking lot at Kroger, a woman with two young kids in tow asked for $5 to catch the bus. I opened my wallet without thinking and gave her $10 (nothing smaller). The way she took the bill from my hand and walked away instantly revealed this wasn't her first rodeo.

Oh well. I wonder if the kids are coached to behave a certain way when their mother pulls that little trick.

I work a booth selling [ag commodity] at our state fair every year.  It is a fundraiser for the state organization of producers of [ag commodity].  A woman comes up and orders $3 or $4 worth of items, and I am 90% sure handed me a $10 bill.  Being unpracticed in handling money, I didn't think to lay it on top of the counter where everyone could see it; instead I put in in the money drawer.  I hand her $6 or $7 worth of change.  She counts it then says "wait, I know I gave you a $20".  I give her a funny look and hesitate.    She didn't seem to have much  money, and she had a kid with her, so I was quickly deciding to just give her the extra $10 back as "change".  Well, then her daughter says "wait mom, nuh uh" and the mom tells her "hush!"  looks up and sees me looking, and says "yes honey I got a $20 form your father before we walked over here; you must not have seen it".  Since I had no way of proving she hadn't given me a $20, I ended up just giving her the change.  But forevermore I will place bills given to me on the counter until I have given back the proper change.  I'm guessing that woman walked all over the state fair and either made money or broke even with that routine.  You see, I gave her a new $10 to go to the next stand with.

You funded a scam artist! Just kidding...for $10, that wasn't a bad lesson. Kids are funny. The good ones often sense when their parents live outside of the rules. The biggest lesson with money and customer service is not to trust people. One guy really surprised me though. Our billing server hadn't charged him in years. I called him up, he didn't know me and so I explained what happened and that he owed us $700+-. The guy gave me a new credit card and asked me to charge all of it. All of it!! He wasn't interested in a payment plan or a discount. He saw it as legit liability. Anyway, the charge cleared and I had no reason to bother him until his card expired years later. In a single day, this guy made up for so much crap given by so many people. Sorry for the foam.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13143 on: April 12, 2016, 09:38:26 AM »
My sister-in-law was out shopping at Christmas time.  She was pulling out of a parking lot and a man approached her car and said he was unemployed and needed money.  She looked up and across the street was a fast food restaurant with a 'help needed' sign.  She told the man to wait right there, she went across the street and got a job application for him and took it back to him.  He was NOT happy with her.  We all chuckled about that one.  He wasn't interested in employment, only money.

An Iowa TV station was running a clip of two youngish people standing with signs on a corner saying the same 'I'm unemployed' story.  A local business man offered them a job that they refused.  So the next day he stood out there along side the panhandlers with his own sign saying they turned down his job offer.  Guess they didn't make much money that day !!!   Clever.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13144 on: April 12, 2016, 11:22:59 AM »
Short panhandler story follows...

The weekend before Christmas last year, I was driving home from my mom's open house and stopped at a red light.  A middle-aged woman in a weathered coat motioned for my attention and mouthed "Do you know the time?"  Normally I would ignore anyone I didn't know like this, but it was Christmas time and this seemed like an easy enough question to answer.  I figured she was trying to catch a bus.

I rolled down the window and gave her the time, then she asked if I could drop her off at a church about a mile up the road.  I was going that way anyway and it was still Christmas time, so I decided I would.  But once she was in the car and we were going, she launched into a well-memorized spiel about how her father had died and she needed $127 bus fare to get to the funeral.  So, that's when I realized this was all a scam.  Kudos to her for working out a good system - starting conversation with a simple ask, then escalating with something still pretty easy that got her in the car, and only once she was there asking for money.

We got to the church and she immediately proclaimed that the people she was going to meet there weren't around, and asked me to drive her to a nearby gas station.  So I did.  When I got there and parked I said politely, "I'm going to give you $20, which is all the money I have on me, but I need you to get out of the car first."  You would have thought she was an Olympic sprinter with how fast she was up and out.  I handed her the cash, she made one more mention of an ATM machine in the gas station, I said goodbye and she turned and walked off without another word.

I felt like a bit of a dupe for a bit.  But in the end, it was still Christmas.  And I figured, would I want to switch lives with her just to be the duper instead of the dupee?  No, not at all.  I'm very lucky to have the life I do, and I can spare $20 from time to time.

Though I wouldn't actually do it again.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13145 on: April 12, 2016, 09:23:43 PM »
"I'm going to give you $20, which is all the money I have on me, but I need you to get out of the car first."  You would have thought she was an Olympic sprinter with how fast she was up and out.  I handed her the cash, she made one more mention of an ATM machine in the gas station, I said goodbye and she turned and walked off without another word.



"oops, it looks like I actually left my wallet at home with my sick grandma" (speeds away)

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13146 on: April 12, 2016, 09:46:46 PM »
You would have thought she was an Olympic sprinter with how fast she was up and out.  I handed her the cash, she made one more mention of an ATM machine in the gas station, I said goodbye and she turned and walked off without another word.


Wait, like you could go use the ATM?

If she has that kind of nerve, she could make her own money in sales!
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13147 on: April 13, 2016, 09:10:14 AM »
My sister-in-law was out shopping at Christmas time.  She was pulling out of a parking lot and a man approached her car and said he was unemployed and needed money.  She looked up and across the street was a fast food restaurant with a 'help needed' sign.  She told the man to wait right there, she went across the street and got a job application for him and took it back to him.  He was NOT happy with her.  We all chuckled about that one.  He wasn't interested in employment, only money.

There is a street corner, that I pass by often, the panhandlers work. They are so bad, that ppl place large help wanted signs on the street polls 2 ft away from them. Only some of the time do they even bother to cover them.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13148 on: April 13, 2016, 12:27:36 PM »
I rode to a work event with a person I know superficially. Holy crap.

-She's maybe 25, single, no kids, no pets. DRIVES A GIANT SUV.
-Talked about how much she loves this one burrito place because it's "soooo cheap". It's $8-10 for a burrito.
-(not anti-mustachian, I just couldn't believe it) "What are they building there?" "That's an expansion for the homeless shelter." "Oh, weird, it looks like actual living space." WHAT DO YOU THINK A HOMELESS SHELTER IS!?!?!?!

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #13149 on: April 13, 2016, 12:32:38 PM »

-Talked about how much she loves this one burrito place because it's "soooo cheap". It's $8-10 for a burrito.

Yikes. I don't think $8 is patently expensive for a great burrito, that's generally how much I'll spend for a burrito bowl at Chipotle when I don't want to cook at home, but there's no way I would consider it cheap. There's a few locations of Zantigos in Minnesota, it's a fast food place like Taco Bell...if Taco Bell actually made things from scratch, and I love going there every once in a while (back when I lived a mile away, I was there more times than is healthy). It's around $3 for a bean-cheese burrito that has the perfect amount of food for me. I don't think it is all that costly, but I would never refer to it as cheap.