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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #11850 on: January 13, 2016, 05:25:42 PM »
It was everything I could do not to email him back and say you mean to tell me you have a $600+ brand new smartphone and another ridiculous monthly amount for having an AT&T plan but yet you have bad credit and have trouble affording a $45k home?  Priceless.
In fairness, AT&T probably did build most or all of the retail value of that phone into his plan, so it doesn't seem that expensive. You're showing the guy a $45K trailer, what kind of sophistication do you expect? xD

In another forum  frequent regarding credit card offers one AT&T customer scoffed at the Citi AT&T More card which gives you a $650 rebate on purchasing a phone for full price from AT&T, complaining that the phones are overpriced on their site.  I saw iPhone's going for the same price as Apple's site.  I can only assume he's used to having his phone baked into his plan that $750 for an iPhone 6s 64Gb seems like a jacked up price when he can get it with his jacked up plan for only $200 (or whatever they offer it for, I'm a T-Mobile customer).

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #11851 on: January 13, 2016, 05:39:22 PM »
It was everything I could do not to email him back and say you mean to tell me you have a $600+ brand new smartphone and another ridiculous monthly amount for having an AT&T plan but yet you have bad credit and have trouble affording a $45k home?  Priceless.
In fairness, AT&T probably did build most or all of the retail value of that phone into his plan, so it doesn't seem that expensive. You're showing the guy a $45K trailer, what kind of sophistication do you expect? xD

In another forum  frequent regarding credit card offers one AT&T customer scoffed at the Citi AT&T More card which gives you a $650 rebate on purchasing a phone for full price from AT&T, complaining that the phones are overpriced on their site.  I saw iPhone's going for the same price as Apple's site.  I can only assume he's used to having his phone baked into his plan that $750 for an iPhone 6s 64Gb seems like a jacked up price when he can get it with his jacked up plan for only $200 (or whatever they offer it for, I'm a T-Mobile customer).

That's a great deal for an unlocked phone!  You have to activate on ATT but I suppose no contract is required....


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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #11852 on: January 14, 2016, 12:09:38 PM »
It was everything I could do not to email him back and say you mean to tell me you have a $600+ brand new smartphone and another ridiculous monthly amount for having an AT&T plan but yet you have bad credit and have trouble affording a $45k home?  Priceless.
In fairness, AT&T probably did build most or all of the retail value of that phone into his plan, so it doesn't seem that expensive. You're showing the guy a $45K trailer, what kind of sophistication do you expect? xD

In another forum  frequent regarding credit card offers one AT&T customer scoffed at the Citi AT&T More card which gives you a $650 rebate on purchasing a phone for full price from AT&T, complaining that the phones are overpriced on their site.  I saw iPhone's going for the same price as Apple's site.  I can only assume he's used to having his phone baked into his plan that $750 for an iPhone 6s 64Gb seems like a jacked up price when he can get it with his jacked up plan for only $200 (or whatever they offer it for, I'm a T-Mobile customer).

That's a great deal for an unlocked phone!  You have to activate on ATT but I suppose no contract is required....


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Yearly fee isn't waved, and if you don't have AT&T you do have to pay for 1 month + a prorated partial month which they force on you, usually 3 days or so.

For me it worked out as
$850 - iPhone 6s 128gb
+$95 - annual fee
+$70 - AT&T cheapest no-contract plan
-$650 - Credit after meeting minimum requirements
-$52 - worth of Citi Thank You points
-$35 - worth of Plenti points
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$278 - Total cost of iPhone 6s 128gb.  This might be similar to what one pays with an inflated AT&T plan with phone costs baked in.

Also note that AT&T purchases are interest free for 6 months or so, making it very easy to float the money until you get the credit from Citi.

This phone replaces my Nexus 4 which I had used for over 3 years.  I expect to get at least 3 years, possibly more, out of this one.  It also replaced the camera we were thinking of getting for when we travel.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #11853 on: January 14, 2016, 01:24:23 PM »
I'm a part-time realtor on the side (I have a regular 9-5 as well) so this isn't more of a "overheard at work" as it is people I've come across in real estate.
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Which is still fine if the footer of his email didn't read "Sent from my Galaxy S6 on AT&T".

Hopefully not too foamy, but I own rental properties on the side and this exact thing annoys me to no end.  Back in the day,  it was the young couples who got pregnant on a dime, could not afford to pay rent, but had a stack of Nike boxes and a flat screen in the bedroom - well before they were reasonably priced (and I still had a tube TV in my home).  Nowadays its the tenant who texts you with yet another excuse of why they will be late, and the iPhone latest edition on Verizon footer comes through.  I have to resist the urge to point out that the inflated phone and plan is not as important as the roof over your head...

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #11854 on: January 14, 2016, 01:59:55 PM »
I'm a part-time realtor on the side (I have a regular 9-5 as well) so this isn't more of a "overheard at work" as it is people I've come across in real estate.
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Which is still fine if the footer of his email didn't read "Sent from my Galaxy S6 on AT&T".

Hopefully not too foamy, but I own rental properties on the side and this exact thing annoys me to no end.  Back in the day,  it was the young couples who got pregnant on a dime, could not afford to pay rent, but had a stack of Nike boxes and a flat screen in the bedroom - well before they were reasonably priced (and I still had a tube TV in my home).  Nowadays its the tenant who texts you with yet another excuse of why they will be late, and the iPhone latest edition on Verizon footer comes through.  I have to resist the urge to point out that the inflated phone and plan is not as important as the roof over your head...

Can we stop calling them flat-screens now?  They are just TVs.  If you want to indicate that they are expensive, just say expensive or new.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #11855 on: January 14, 2016, 02:10:11 PM »
I'm a part-time realtor on the side (I have a regular 9-5 as well) so this isn't more of a "overheard at work" as it is people I've come across in real estate.
.....

Which is still fine if the footer of his email didn't read "Sent from my Galaxy S6 on AT&T".

Hopefully not too foamy, but I own rental properties on the side and this exact thing annoys me to no end.  Back in the day,  it was the young couples who got pregnant on a dime, could not afford to pay rent, but had a stack of Nike boxes and a flat screen in the bedroom - well before they were reasonably priced (and I still had a tube TV in my home).  Nowadays its the tenant who texts you with yet another excuse of why they will be late, and the iPhone latest edition on Verizon footer comes through.  I have to resist the urge to point out that the inflated phone and plan is not as important as the roof over your head...

Can we stop calling them flat-screens now?  They are just TVs.  If you want to indicate that they are expensive, just say expensive or new.

She did specify it was "back in the day".  A flat screen was not just a TV during that historic period in time, so the distinction is required.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #11856 on: January 14, 2016, 02:49:56 PM »
I'm a part-time realtor on the side (I have a regular 9-5 as well) so this isn't more of a "overheard at work" as it is people I've come across in real estate.
.....

Which is still fine if the footer of his email didn't read "Sent from my Galaxy S6 on AT&T".

Hopefully not too foamy, but I own rental properties on the side and this exact thing annoys me to no end.  Back in the day,  it was the young couples who got pregnant on a dime, could not afford to pay rent, but had a stack of Nike boxes and a flat screen in the bedroom - well before they were reasonably priced (and I still had a tube TV in my home).  Nowadays its the tenant who texts you with yet another excuse of why they will be late, and the iPhone latest edition on Verizon footer comes through.  I have to resist the urge to point out that the inflated phone and plan is not as important as the roof over your head...
'Course, there are plenty of people whose families would give them a new cell phone, TV, or other luxury good for birthday/Christmas but would think it gauche to give a card with a check for $1000.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #11857 on: January 14, 2016, 03:15:51 PM »
I'm a part-time realtor on the side (I have a regular 9-5 as well) so this isn't more of a "overheard at work" as it is people I've come across in real estate.
.....

Which is still fine if the footer of his email didn't read "Sent from my Galaxy S6 on AT&T".

Hopefully not too foamy, but I own rental properties on the side and this exact thing annoys me to no end.  Back in the day,  it was the young couples who got pregnant on a dime, could not afford to pay rent, but had a stack of Nike boxes and a flat screen in the bedroom - well before they were reasonably priced (and I still had a tube TV in my home).  Nowadays its the tenant who texts you with yet another excuse of why they will be late, and the iPhone latest edition on Verizon footer comes through.  I have to resist the urge to point out that the inflated phone and plan is not as important as the roof over your head...

Can we stop calling them flat-screens now?  They are just TVs.  If you want to indicate that they are expensive, just say expensive or new.

She did specify it was "back in the day".  A flat screen was not just a TV during that historic period in time, so the distinction is required.

You are right, it's much better to say type out "a flat screen in the bedroom - well before they were reasonably priced (and I still had a tube TV in my home)"

Than simply "expensive TV"


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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #11858 on: January 14, 2016, 03:24:51 PM »
I'm a part-time realtor on the side (I have a regular 9-5 as well) so this isn't more of a "overheard at work" as it is people I've come across in real estate.
.....

Which is still fine if the footer of his email didn't read "Sent from my Galaxy S6 on AT&T".

Hopefully not too foamy, but I own rental properties on the side and this exact thing annoys me to no end.  Back in the day,  it was the young couples who got pregnant on a dime, could not afford to pay rent, but had a stack of Nike boxes and a flat screen in the bedroom - well before they were reasonably priced (and I still had a tube TV in my home).  Nowadays its the tenant who texts you with yet another excuse of why they will be late, and the iPhone latest edition on Verizon footer comes through.  I have to resist the urge to point out that the inflated phone and plan is not as important as the roof over your head...
'Course, there are plenty of people whose families would give them a new cell phone, TV, or other luxury good for birthday/Christmas but would think it gauche to give a card with a check for $1000.

LOL, in this particular case (the TV case, not the iPhone case), tenant's mom was kicking in half the rent.  She just foolishly made that check out to her daughter, until I suggested she send the funds directly to me.  Wasn't too long after that that the tenants were begging the local catholic charity to cover their rent in full.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #11859 on: January 14, 2016, 03:27:27 PM »
I'm a part-time realtor on the side (I have a regular 9-5 as well) so this isn't more of a "overheard at work" as it is people I've come across in real estate.
.....

Which is still fine if the footer of his email didn't read "Sent from my Galaxy S6 on AT&T".

Hopefully not too foamy, but I own rental properties on the side and this exact thing annoys me to no end.  Back in the day,  it was the young couples who got pregnant on a dime, could not afford to pay rent, but had a stack of Nike boxes and a flat screen in the bedroom - well before they were reasonably priced (and I still had a tube TV in my home).  Nowadays its the tenant who texts you with yet another excuse of why they will be late, and the iPhone latest edition on Verizon footer comes through.  I have to resist the urge to point out that the inflated phone and plan is not as important as the roof over your head...

Can we stop calling them flat-screens now?  They are just TVs.  If you want to indicate that they are expensive, just say expensive or new.

She did specify it was "back in the day".  A flat screen was not just a TV during that historic period in time, so the distinction is required.

You are right, it's much better to say type out "a flat screen in the bedroom - well before they were reasonably priced (and I still had a tube TV in my home)"

Than simply "expensive TV"

I'm still bitter about it, hence the description!  Can we move on now?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #11860 on: January 14, 2016, 03:57:36 PM »
I'm a part-time realtor on the side (I have a regular 9-5 as well) so this isn't more of a "overheard at work" as it is people I've come across in real estate.
.....

Which is still fine if the footer of his email didn't read "Sent from my Galaxy S6 on AT&T".

Hopefully not too foamy, but I own rental properties on the side and this exact thing annoys me to no end.  Back in the day,  it was the young couples who got pregnant on a dime, could not afford to pay rent, but had a stack of Nike boxes and a flat screen in the bedroom - well before they were reasonably priced (and I still had a tube TV in my home).  Nowadays its the tenant who texts you with yet another excuse of why they will be late, and the iPhone latest edition on Verizon footer comes through.  I have to resist the urge to point out that the inflated phone and plan is not as important as the roof over your head...

Can we stop calling them flat-screens now?  They are just TVs.  If you want to indicate that they are expensive, just say expensive or new.

She did specify it was "back in the day".  A flat screen was not just a TV during that historic period in time, so the distinction is required.

You are right, it's much better to say type out "a flat screen in the bedroom - well before they were reasonably priced (and I still had a tube TV in my home)"

Than simply "expensive TV"


Succinctness can be a virtue, it can also destroy information and context.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #11861 on: January 14, 2016, 04:20:26 PM »
I'm a part-time realtor on the side (I have a regular 9-5 as well) so this isn't more of a "overheard at work" as it is people I've come across in real estate.
.....

Which is still fine if the footer of his email didn't read "Sent from my Galaxy S6 on AT&T".

Hopefully not too foamy, but I own rental properties on the side and this exact thing annoys me to no end.  Back in the day,  it was the young couples who got pregnant on a dime, could not afford to pay rent, but had a stack of Nike boxes and a flat screen in the bedroom - well before they were reasonably priced (and I still had a tube TV in my home).  Nowadays its the tenant who texts you with yet another excuse of why they will be late, and the iPhone latest edition on Verizon footer comes through.  I have to resist the urge to point out that the inflated phone and plan is not as important as the roof over your head...

Can we stop calling them flat-screens now?  They are just TVs.  If you want to indicate that they are expensive, just say expensive or new.

She did specify it was "back in the day".  A flat screen was not just a TV during that historic period in time, so the distinction is required.

You are right, it's much better to say type out "a flat screen in the bedroom - well before they were reasonably priced (and I still had a tube TV in my home)"

Than simply "expensive TV"


Succinctness can be a virtue, it can also destroy information and context.

That's just a fancy way of saying "shut up"
« Last Edit: January 14, 2016, 04:21:57 PM by dragoncar »

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #11862 on: January 14, 2016, 09:14:53 PM »
More of an oversaw at work.  So for the last couple of years I've seen this very pricey BMW in the parking lot, the specialty license plate is O mst Go and the rear end is covered in Obama is an illegal immigrant, NObama (and more recently pro donald trump stickers).  For years I've been mentally profiling the owner without realizing it as the plethora of non removable, hate spewing, racist crap stickers increased.  I always figured old white man bitter that he's still working. 

Well today the owner of this car pulled into the space besides me and I saw them for the first time....95 lb Asian woman with a couple of Costco sized crates of cat food in the back seat, along with her cat print laptop bag and the radio was blaring some political AM station that was denouncing on how white people can't afford to live in this country any more, and how the Demoncraps have ruined this once great nation etc....yup, threw me for a loop.  The biggest anti Obama person in our office park is a crazy Asian cat lady folks.

**PS I'm also owned by a couple of cats, this just struck me as a huh....didn't see THAT one coming.

You didn't see that coming, probably because you have likely never taken the time to actually consider the viewpoints of your opposition. I am not a republican, but I've known many Asian republicans.  In my own experience, the Asian republican is more common than the American-of-African-Decent republican; but that might just be a local thing.  I'd challenge you to ask her about her real perspectives.  If you were to honestly consider them, I'd wager that you'd find that her responses are much more thoughtful than what you expected, and certainly more thoughtful than a bumper sticker slogan.  You probably would still disagree, but you might gain a better appreciation for differing viewpoints.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #11863 on: January 14, 2016, 09:36:39 PM »
More of an oversaw at work.  So for the last couple of years I've seen this very pricey BMW in the parking lot, the specialty license plate is O mst Go and the rear end is covered in Obama is an illegal immigrant, NObama (and more recently pro donald trump stickers).  For years I've been mentally profiling the owner without realizing it as the plethora of non removable, hate spewing, racist crap stickers increased.  I always figured old white man bitter that he's still working. 

Well today the owner of this car pulled into the space besides me and I saw them for the first time....95 lb Asian woman with a couple of Costco sized crates of cat food in the back seat, along with her cat print laptop bag and the radio was blaring some political AM station that was denouncing on how white people can't afford to live in this country any more, and how the Demoncraps have ruined this once great nation etc....yup, threw me for a loop.  The biggest anti Obama person in our office park is a crazy Asian cat lady folks.

**PS I'm also owned by a couple of cats, this just struck me as a huh....didn't see THAT one coming.

You didn't see that coming, probably because you have likely never taken the time to actually consider the viewpoints of your opposition. I am not a republican, but I've known many Asian republicans.  In my own experience, the Asian republican is more common than the American-of-African-Decent republican; but that might just be a local thing.  I'd challenge you to ask her about her real perspectives.  If you were to honestly consider them, I'd wager that you'd find that her responses are much more thoughtful than what you expected, and certainly more thoughtful than a bumper sticker slogan.  You probably would still disagree, but you might gain a better appreciation for differing viewpoints.

MoonShadow, I have to ask: do you often talk to vile-spewing racists, and have them respond thoughtfully?

And to your response, how can you possibly know anything about how much MishMash has considered the viewpoints of her opposition?  It sure looks like you jumped to a conclusion there.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #11864 on: January 14, 2016, 10:47:48 PM »
More of an oversaw at work.  So for the last couple of years I've seen this very pricey BMW in the parking lot, the specialty license plate is O mst Go and the rear end is covered in Obama is an illegal immigrant, NObama (and more recently pro donald trump stickers).  For years I've been mentally profiling the owner without realizing it as the plethora of non removable, hate spewing, racist crap stickers increased.  I always figured old white man bitter that he's still working. 

Well today the owner of this car pulled into the space besides me and I saw them for the first time....95 lb Asian woman with a couple of Costco sized crates of cat food in the back seat, along with her cat print laptop bag and the radio was blaring some political AM station that was denouncing on how white people can't afford to live in this country any more, and how the Demoncraps have ruined this once great nation etc....yup, threw me for a loop.  The biggest anti Obama person in our office park is a crazy Asian cat lady folks.

**PS I'm also owned by a couple of cats, this just struck me as a huh....didn't see THAT one coming.

You didn't see that coming, probably because you have likely never taken the time to actually consider the viewpoints of your opposition. I am not a republican, but I've known many Asian republicans.  In my own experience, the Asian republican is more common than the American-of-African-Decent republican; but that might just be a local thing.  I'd challenge you to ask her about her real perspectives.  If you were to honestly consider them, I'd wager that you'd find that her responses are much more thoughtful than what you expected, and certainly more thoughtful than a bumper sticker slogan.  You probably would still disagree, but you might gain a better appreciation for differing viewpoints.

MoonShadow, I have to ask: do you often talk to vile-spewing racists, and have them respond thoughtfully?


Beltim, do you honestly think that an Asian woman driving a nice car with anti-Obama stickers is racist?

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And to your response, how can you possibly know anything about how much MishMash has considered the viewpoints of her opposition?  It sure looks like you jumped to a conclusion there.

Obviously, there has been a whole lot of jumping going on.  Based upon what you write in other political threads, I'm surprised you're not exhausted yourself.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #11865 on: January 14, 2016, 10:52:31 PM »
More of an oversaw at work.  So for the last couple of years I've seen this very pricey BMW in the parking lot, the specialty license plate is O mst Go and the rear end is covered in Obama is an illegal immigrant, NObama (and more recently pro donald trump stickers).  For years I've been mentally profiling the owner without realizing it as the plethora of non removable, hate spewing, racist crap stickers increased.  I always figured old white man bitter that he's still working. 

Well today the owner of this car pulled into the space besides me and I saw them for the first time....95 lb Asian woman with a couple of Costco sized crates of cat food in the back seat, along with her cat print laptop bag and the radio was blaring some political AM station that was denouncing on how white people can't afford to live in this country any more, and how the Demoncraps have ruined this once great nation etc....yup, threw me for a loop.  The biggest anti Obama person in our office park is a crazy Asian cat lady folks.

**PS I'm also owned by a couple of cats, this just struck me as a huh....didn't see THAT one coming.

You didn't see that coming, probably because you have likely never taken the time to actually consider the viewpoints of your opposition. I am not a republican, but I've known many Asian republicans.  In my own experience, the Asian republican is more common than the American-of-African-Decent republican; but that might just be a local thing.  I'd challenge you to ask her about her real perspectives.  If you were to honestly consider them, I'd wager that you'd find that her responses are much more thoughtful than what you expected, and certainly more thoughtful than a bumper sticker slogan.  You probably would still disagree, but you might gain a better appreciation for differing viewpoints.

MoonShadow, I have to ask: do you often talk to vile-spewing racists, and have them respond thoughtfully?


Beltim, do you honestly think that an Asian woman driving a nice car with anti-Obama stickers is racist?

I don't think an Asian woman is racist because she is driving a nice car with anti-Obama stickers.  MishMash said she had "hate spewing, racist stickers" on the car (that's why I bolded that section).  That could make her racist, yes.

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And to your response, how can you possibly know anything about how much MishMash has considered the viewpoints of her opposition?  It sure looks like you jumped to a conclusion there.

Obviously, there has been a whole lot of jumping going on.  Based upon what you write in other political threads, I'm surprised you're not exhausted yourself.

So yes, you jumped to a conclusion.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #11866 on: January 14, 2016, 11:06:40 PM »
More of an oversaw at work.  So for the last couple of years I've seen this very pricey BMW in the parking lot, the specialty license plate is O mst Go and the rear end is covered in Obama is an illegal immigrant, NObama (and more recently pro donald trump stickers).  For years I've been mentally profiling the owner without realizing it as the plethora of non removable, hate spewing, racist crap stickers increased.  I always figured old white man bitter that he's still working. 

Well today the owner of this car pulled into the space besides me and I saw them for the first time....95 lb Asian woman with a couple of Costco sized crates of cat food in the back seat, along with her cat print laptop bag and the radio was blaring some political AM station that was denouncing on how white people can't afford to live in this country any more, and how the Demoncraps have ruined this once great nation etc....yup, threw me for a loop.  The biggest anti Obama person in our office park is a crazy Asian cat lady folks.

**PS I'm also owned by a couple of cats, this just struck me as a huh....didn't see THAT one coming.

You didn't see that coming, probably because you have likely never taken the time to actually consider the viewpoints of your opposition. I am not a republican, but I've known many Asian republicans.  In my own experience, the Asian republican is more common than the American-of-African-Decent republican; but that might just be a local thing.  I'd challenge you to ask her about her real perspectives.  If you were to honestly consider them, I'd wager that you'd find that her responses are much more thoughtful than what you expected, and certainly more thoughtful than a bumper sticker slogan.  You probably would still disagree, but you might gain a better appreciation for differing viewpoints.

MoonShadow, I have to ask: do you often talk to vile-spewing racists, and have them respond thoughtfully?


Beltim, do you honestly think that an Asian woman driving a nice car with anti-Obama stickers is racist?

I don't think an Asian woman is racist because she is driving a nice car with anti-Obama stickers.  MishMash said she had "hate spewing, racist stickers" on the car (that's why I bolded that section).  That could make her racist, yes.

I'd say that is more likely to reflect upon MishMash's interpretations of anti-Obama bumper sticker slogans generally than the inner thoughts of a random Asian woman.  Actual quotes of said bumper stickers might be helpful here.
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And to your response, how can you possibly know anything about how much MishMash has considered the viewpoints of her opposition?  It sure looks like you jumped to a conclusion there.

Obviously, there has been a whole lot of jumping going on.  Based upon what you write in other political threads, I'm surprised you're not exhausted yourself.

So yes, you jumped to a conclusion.

Yes, of course I did.  So did you.  So did MishMash, for that matter; which is why he was surprised.  Prey tell, how would any of us avoid conclusion jumping, based only upon a single forum post without any photos?

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #11867 on: January 14, 2016, 11:11:48 PM »
Yes, of course I did.  So did you.  So did MishMash, for that matter; which is why he was surprised.  Prey tell, how would any of us avoid conclusion jumping, based only upon a single forum post without any photos?

I jumped to no conclusion.  I asked you why you were so quick to jump to a conclusion, because it seemed rude.  Do you have any evidence that MishMash hasn't taken the time to consider the viewpoints of her opposition?  You didn't provide any in your previous posts.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #11868 on: January 15, 2016, 12:12:41 AM »
Yes, of course I did.  So did you.  So did MishMash, for that matter; which is why he was surprised.  Prey tell, how would any of us avoid conclusion jumping, based only upon a single forum post without any photos?

I jumped to no conclusion.  I asked you why you were so quick to jump to a conclusion, because it seemed rude.  Do you have any evidence that MishMash hasn't taken the time to consider the viewpoints of her opposition?  You didn't provide any in your previous posts.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #11869 on: January 15, 2016, 12:22:39 AM »
I.. I was told I could listen to music at a reasonable volume from 11 to 12..

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #11870 on: January 15, 2016, 12:48:05 AM »
I am not a republican

... but any time anyone criticizes Republicans, I sure pop out of the woodwork to protest.
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« Reply #11871 on: January 15, 2016, 01:19:24 AM »
I am not a republican

... but any time anyone criticizes Republicans, I sure pop out of the woodwork to protest.

Because I'm contrary, and really don't like seeing such strong bias go unchallenged. On this forum, the assumptions that go unchallenged lean heavily toward the left of the political spectrum.  I have often argued against unfair bias against Democrats on particularly right leaning forums also, such as Red State.  It's possible I might have an unhealthy compulsion that manifests in this way, but you only see side of me on this forum.  Perhaps it's the academic in me, as I come from a generation where a civil disagreement was considered a healthy form of public discourse, and the ability to argue either side of an issue was a feature of a skilled debater.  Just accepting the unspoken premises of MishMash's story would be easy, but I've never been one for the easy way.  I suppose that has a lot to do with why I keep getting banned from discussion forums.

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« Reply #11872 on: January 15, 2016, 01:52:08 AM »
I've never been one for the easy way.  I suppose that has a lot to do with why I keep getting banned from discussion forums.

I'm sure that's the reason.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #11873 on: January 15, 2016, 04:06:19 AM »
Ooh,  I've just moved office and got one already! One of the girls ~25yrs was saying she's giving up booze for 'dry January'. She said she was going to donate the money she would have spent on alcohol to Cancer Research, which I thought was cool - then she said it would be 200!
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« Reply #11874 on: January 15, 2016, 04:47:40 AM »
Ooh,  I've just moved office and got one already! One of the girls ~25yrs was saying she's giving up booze for 'dry January'. She said she was going to donate the money she would have spent on alcohol to Cancer Research, which I thought was cool - then she said it would be 200!
That's like my half of the mortgage!

That sounds like a cheap mortgage to me. Well done!

200 is about $290, right? Sounds about par for the course, assuming that she goes out to a club instead of a pub, Friday and Saturday, 4 weeks a month. Figure about $10 a drink, 4 drinks a night...

Or if she is into wine, that could be done in 10 bottles very easily as well.

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #11875 on: January 15, 2016, 06:16:17 AM »
One of the women in my office, also ~25, observed a couple of weeks ago that she never had to pay for drinks in clubs, "because I'm a girl." Not sure that really counts as mustachian though.

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« Reply #11876 on: January 15, 2016, 07:35:32 AM »
I am not a republican

... but any time anyone criticizes Republicans, I sure pop out of the woodwork to protest.

Maybe he takes his own advice and has friends that are Republicans, so he's sensitive to the all-too-common assertions that all Republicans are racist, and being racist is the only reason somebody would be a Republican.

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« Reply #11877 on: January 15, 2016, 08:30:10 AM »
I.. I was told I could listen to music at a reasonable volume from 9 to 11
FTFY

I am not a republican
... but any time anyone criticizes Republicans, I sure pop out of the woodwork to protest.
Maybe he takes his own advice and has friends that are Republicans, so he's sensitive to the all-too-common assertions that all Republicans are racist, and being racist is the only reason somebody would be a Republican.
I've struggled to maintain a balanced ratio in the last decade because of the hard-right turn within the GOP*, but I understand exactly what MoonShadow is saying above. I too am sensitive to any trend toward excessive self-confirmation within a group, and I like to play devil's advocate when all the comments on a topic seem to lean the same way - not just in politics, but on any subject.

Example: I will argue that the Maine governor's recent statements are nearly impossible to explain without racist intent, but can and will explain how Justice Scalia's even more widely criticized remarks could be explained in context without it; meanwhile, most people hold identical party-line stances on both, indicating a lack of interest in details and critical thinking that genuinely distresses me. We don't have to agree on everything, but I want you to think it through.

*yes, politics in general is more polarized, but actual stances have moved more to the fringe among right-wing members of Congress (and their supporters) than left; this is supported and even quantified by research data.
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« Reply #11878 on: January 15, 2016, 09:05:07 AM »
I've struggled to maintain a balanced ratio in the last decade because of the hard-right turn within the GOP*, but I understand exactly what MoonShadow is saying above. I too am sensitive to any trend toward excessive self-confirmation within a group, and I like to play devil's advocate when all the comments on a topic seem to lean the same way - not just in politics, but on any subject.

*yes, politics in general is more polarized, but actual stances have moved more to the fringe among right-wing members of Congress (and their supporters) than left; this is supported and even quantified by research data.

Reasons why I call myself conservative, but don't like being called Republican, even though I usually vote for them. 

Trump is certainly not conservative.  I might be writing in a name this coming presidential election.

And for what it's worth, I've known many racist Asians, and most of them are conservative, and most of them are good people.

For whatever reason some Taiwanese don't like Chinese.  Some Chinese don't like Japanese.  In math team, I can't tell you how many of my classmates told me that they got a lecture because a white kid beat them.
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« Reply #11879 on: January 15, 2016, 09:06:24 AM »
Can we stop calling them flat-screens now?  They are just TVs.  If you want to indicate that they are expensive, just say expensive or new.
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« Reply #11880 on: January 15, 2016, 09:19:37 AM »
For whatever reason some Taiwanese don't like Chinese.  Some Chinese don't like Japanese. 
History and politics are enough to explain those feelings.
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« Reply #11881 on: January 15, 2016, 09:26:31 AM »
I.. I was told I could listen to music at a reasonable volume from 11 to 12..

Most amplifiers only go to ten, but this one goes to eleven.
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #11882 on: January 15, 2016, 09:41:32 AM »
For whatever reason some Taiwanese don't like Chinese.  Some Chinese don't like Japanese. 
History and politics are enough to explain those feelings.
Yeah, I didn't really mean "for whatever reason."  I saw it mostly with the parents who had lived in those countries, and less in the kids who were mostly born here. 

I.. I was told I could listen to music at a reasonable volume from 11 to 12..

Most amplifiers only go to ten, but this one goes to eleven.

It's a time, not a volume.  Office Space 4tw.

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« Reply #11883 on: January 15, 2016, 10:09:33 AM »
For whatever reason some Taiwanese don't like Chinese.  Some Chinese don't like Japanese. 
History and politics are enough to explain those feelings.
Yeah, I didn't really mean "for whatever reason."  I saw it mostly with the parents who had lived in those countries, and less in the kids who were mostly born here. 

I.. I was told I could listen to music at a reasonable volume from 11 to 12..

Most amplifiers only go to ten, but this one goes to eleven.

It's a time, not a volume.  Office Space 4tw.

I am guessing Beltim is well aware and looked at it as an opportunity to toss in a Spinal Tap joke (another cult classic you need to watch).  Nice work.

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« Reply #11884 on: January 15, 2016, 10:15:56 AM »
I'll throw this one in here.

Coworker makes just above minimum wage in housekeeping. Brings me maintenance requests b/c I file those for my dept. One of my many hats.

Starts telling me about an interesting group they would be attending that night. Its an investment group and their friend turned them on to it. Friend is about to receive their first commission check and is anxious for this coworker to join too. Its called "Team Nation" and your ~$800 membership gets you access to all sorts of coupons. Of course the more people you bring in, the more money you'll make... Yep - MLM.

$800 for membership (don't know if that's annually or what) and $2500 for a lifetime membership.

I asked if coworker knew about the coupon discount rates and about some other details. No awareness of anything, coworker's whole awareness would be based on the sales spiel delivered that night.  I knowingly asked whether the coworker had done any independent research on the group and the answer was no. I did 2 mins worth of Google searches and the results were mixed. The research revealed that it was either a great group to belong to or it was a worthless scheme depending on who you believed.

I looked up MLM on Wikipedia and read coworker the definition and they were surprised at what their friend wanted them to be involved in and how it functioned.

Well then, the coworker declared that they couldn't really afford the MLM membership anyhow. Maybe they would just buy Powerball tickets instead... (This was before the Powerball was won by those three people).

At that point I shifted the conversation and then we went back to work...

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« Reply #11885 on: January 15, 2016, 10:24:43 AM »
For whatever reason some Taiwanese don't like Chinese.  Some Chinese don't like Japanese. 
History and politics are enough to explain those feelings.
Yeah, I didn't really mean "for whatever reason."  I saw it mostly with the parents who had lived in those countries, and less in the kids who were mostly born here. 

I.. I was told I could listen to music at a reasonable volume from 11 to 12..

Most amplifiers only go to ten, but this one goes to eleven.

It's a time, not a volume.  Office Space 4tw.

I am guessing Beltim is well aware and looked at it as an opportunity to toss in a Spinal Tap joke (another cult classic you need to watch).  Nice work.

I wish I could claim credit for that excellent reference, but the Spinal Tap joke was TheGrimSqueaker's perhaps unsurprising considering his user name (is that a Discworld reference?).

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #11886 on: January 15, 2016, 10:33:53 AM »
In my experience, if the community you live or work in heavily tilts to one political demographic then that side is the more intolerant, more prone to jumping to conclusions and much less likely to engage in civil discourse while the opposition is usually much more civil, tolerant and can actually have a conversation about things you disagree with.  I guess it probably has something to do with confirmation bias and not having your perceptions challenged very often.

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« Reply #11887 on: January 15, 2016, 10:41:09 AM »
I've known many racist Asians, and most of them are conservative, and most of them are good people.

For whatever reason some Taiwanese don't like Chinese.  Some Chinese don't like Japanese.  In math team, I can't tell you how many of my classmates told me that they got a lecture because a white kid beat them.
How is being racist compatible with being good people?
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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #11888 on: January 15, 2016, 11:06:24 AM »
For whatever reason some Taiwanese don't like Chinese.  Some Chinese don't like Japanese. 
History and politics are enough to explain those feelings.
Yeah, I didn't really mean "for whatever reason."  I saw it mostly with the parents who had lived in those countries, and less in the kids who were mostly born here. 

I.. I was told I could listen to music at a reasonable volume from 11 to 12..

Most amplifiers only go to ten, but this one goes to eleven.

It's a time, not a volume.  Office Space 4tw.

I am guessing Beltim is well aware and looked at it as an opportunity to toss in a Spinal Tap joke (another cult classic you need to watch).  Nice work.

What? You can't just go quoting an entirely different movie any time you want.  This isn't nam, there are rules!

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« Reply #11889 on: January 15, 2016, 11:21:58 AM »
I've known many racist Asians, and most of them are conservative, and most of them are good people.

For whatever reason some Taiwanese don't like Chinese.  Some Chinese don't like Japanese.  In math team, I can't tell you how many of my classmates told me that they got a lecture because a white kid beat them.
How is being racist compatible with being good people?

Glad I'm not the first person to bring this up. I can agree to a different statement that while they are still shitty people because they're racist, "they are otherwise good people."

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Re: Overheard at Work
« Reply #11890 on: January 15, 2016, 11:28:08 AM »
I've known many racist Asians, and most of them are conservative, and most of them are good people.

For whatever reason some Taiwanese don't like Chinese.  Some Chinese don't like Japanese.  In math team, I can't tell you how many of my classmates told me that they got a lecture because a white kid beat them.
How is being racist compatible with being good people?

Everyone has flaws. I assume the racism MrMoogle is talking about is not Aryan Nations level ideological seething hatred, just casual bigotry (which is still bad! obviously).

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« Reply #11891 on: January 15, 2016, 11:32:49 AM »
I've known many racist Asians, and most of them are conservative, and most of them are good people.

For whatever reason some Taiwanese don't like Chinese.  Some Chinese don't like Japanese.  In math team, I can't tell you how many of my classmates told me that they got a lecture because a white kid beat them.
How is being racist compatible with being good people?

Glad I'm not the first person to bring this up. I can agree to a different statement that while they are still shitty people because they're racist, "they are otherwise good people."

I may be naive, but I don't know all the terminology in this field.

Usually racist implies mistreatment based on a sense of superiority.  In that context, yeah you are a bad person and that's probably the kind of racism being discussed here.  Although there's the possibility that you are just a misguided and naive person who has been taught the wrong things but has not hurt anyone based on those beliefs.

But is there a word for the kind of racism that simply acknowledges genetic population differences?  For example, to say that ethnic Norwegians typically have light skin (most innocuous example I can think of at the moment).

Or, a less innocuous example, that black people tend to have physical characteristics (as a population) that give them an advantage in certain sports?  Is this racism?  If so, I don't think it makes you a bad person.  If not, what do you call it?  You're a stereotypist? (Although you likely recognize that just because a population has statistical characteristics, they don't necessarily apply to any particular individual)

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« Reply #11892 on: January 15, 2016, 11:39:25 AM »
I am not a republican

... but any time anyone criticizes Republicans, I sure pop out of the woodwork to protest.

Maybe he takes his own advice and has friends that are Republicans, so he's sensitive to the all-too-common assertions that all Republicans are racist, and being racist is the only reason somebody would be a Republican.
Racist is not the only reason.  We have sexist, racist, homophobic, believing in the idea that your religion should be shoved down other's throats.  Or those who think money is more important than others having equal rights.  Lots of reasons, none of which are palatable. 

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« Reply #11893 on: January 15, 2016, 11:53:45 AM »
But is there a word for the kind of racism that simply acknowledges genetic population differences?  For example, to say that ethnic Norwegians typically have light skin (most innocuous example I can think of at the moment).

Or, a less innocuous example, that black people tend to have physical characteristics (as a population) that give them an advantage in certain sports?  Is this racism?  If so, I don't think it makes you a bad person.  If not, what do you call it?  You're a stereotypist? (Although you likely recognize that just because a population has statistical characteristics, they don't necessarily apply to any particular individual)

If it is true, it's called a fact.

People like some facts and don't like others, usually based on whether they think it gives them an advantage or makes them feel better about themselves.

I don't give a damn about being politically correct but I do care about being factually correct.

Too many people think being racist equal saying true things people do not want to hear.  That isn't racism.  It might be brutal honesty or it might be tactless, but that doesn't make it racist.

However, one may latch onto a fact and give it far more importance than it merits because one is a racist - and ignore other facts that contradict one's world view because one is a racist (or just insecure).


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« Reply #11894 on: January 15, 2016, 11:59:20 AM »
Racist is not the only reason.  We have sexist, racist, homophobic, believing in the idea that your religion should be shoved down other's throats.  Or those who think money is more important than others having equal rights.  Lots of reasons, none of which are palatable.
You may find this difficult to accept, but as a rational centrist I object to the idea that 100% of Republicans support their party out of bigotry. I hate what the party is doing these days and I would rather see it continue to blow apart through internal strife than take the Presidency again in its current form, but it's not that hard to ascribe good intentions to at least some of its members.

I have nothing interesting to report from work today, other than that most of my co-workers have about as charitable an image of Democrats as you do of Republicans... which is why I don't talk much about politics in the office. xD
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« Reply #11895 on: January 15, 2016, 12:14:26 PM »



And for what it's worth, I've known many racist Asians, and most of them are conservative, and most of them are good people.


Does not compute.
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« Reply #11896 on: January 15, 2016, 12:17:45 PM »
Example of the typical workday stuff that happens were I am:

guy 1 to guy 2: Stop opening the door. I keep thinking it lunch.
guy 2 to guy 1: I'm sorry. You can eat me if you like
guy 1 to guy 2: That's hot.
guy 2: Drop it like it's hot (singing)

This happened today. Also today: guy #1 from the story above installed hand sanitizer boxes in a few areas. It comes out white and foamy, so he puts his hand under it and make an orgasm sound. Yep. And he's the highest level employee in the office I work in. All day, every day.

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« Reply #11897 on: January 15, 2016, 12:23:09 PM »
Example of the typical workday stuff that happens were I am:

guy 1 to guy 2: Stop opening the door. I keep thinking it lunch.
guy 2 to guy 1: I'm sorry. You can eat me if you like
guy 1 to guy 2: That's hot.
guy 2: Drop it like it's hot (singing)

This happened today. Also today: guy #1 from the story above installed hand sanitizer boxes in a few areas. It comes out white and foamy, so he puts his hand under it and make an orgasm sound. Yep. And he's the highest level employee in the office I work in. All day, every day.

Sounds like a fun place to work

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« Reply #11898 on: January 15, 2016, 12:28:40 PM »
We have our fair share of that kind of fun here. Mostly it involves popularizing names for the senior staff and making light of shitty situations. When someone's about to get stuck with a long meeting or a shitty project, they're commonly advised to put on a miniskirt and pumps so they can feel pretty while they're getting....
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« Reply #11899 on: January 15, 2016, 12:34:38 PM »
Example of the typical workday stuff that happens were I am:

guy 1 to guy 2: Stop opening the door. I keep thinking it lunch.
guy 2 to guy 1: I'm sorry. You can eat me if you like
guy 1 to guy 2: That's hot.
guy 2: Drop it like it's hot (singing)

This happened today. Also today: guy #1 from the story above installed hand sanitizer boxes in a few areas. It comes out white and foamy, so he puts his hand under it and make an orgasm sound. Yep. And he's the highest level employee in the office I work in. All day, every day.

Sounds like a fun place to work

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