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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #1600 on: October 02, 2019, 03:01:17 PM »
I work in a hospital and on some "pay day" Friday nights, an absurd amount of staff call off work.  Nurses, nurses assistants, respiratory therapists, etc. 

Even when I was a teenager and got paid on Fridays, I never had to call off work so I could spend that money the day I got it.  I don't get it.

We work a 5-4-9 schedule where we're off every other Friday.  TPTB discovered years ago that making payday the Thursday before the off-Friday was a great way to prevent this.

Some jobs ago 8 had co-workers who often called us in for a payday visit to the pub, each month again. Of course, I never saw the point of spending your payday the first day in the pub. In the further past this happened regularly, working men spending their paycheck in the pub, leaving their wife and children without income.

Here too, back in the 1860s - it was the start of the temperance movement in Canada. In 1945 when Family Allowance was introduced, the money went to the mothers in hope that the money would get spent on the children instead of at the pub.  It mostly worked.

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« Reply #1601 on: October 03, 2019, 08:57:50 AM »
In France I went once with a friend because it was the only place you could get a cup of coffee. Any cafe where you ordered a coffee would serve an espresso.

If I recall correctly you have to ask for a "Caffè Americano". Its a watered down espresso but gets the job done.

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« Reply #1602 on: October 03, 2019, 09:05:56 AM »
I work in a hospital and on some "pay day" Friday nights, an absurd amount of staff call off work.  Nurses, nurses assistants, respiratory therapists, etc. 

Even when I was a teenager and got paid on Fridays, I never had to call off work so I could spend that money the day I got it.  I don't get it.

We work a 5-4-9 schedule where we're off every other Friday.  TPTB discovered years ago that making payday the Thursday before the off-Friday was a great way to prevent this.

Some jobs ago 8 had co-workers who often called us in for a payday visit to the pub, each month again. Of course, I never saw the point of spending your payday the first day in the pub. In the further past this happened regularly, working men spending their paycheck in the pub, leaving their wife and children without income.

Here too, back in the 1860s - it was the start of the temperance movement in Canada. In 1945 when Family Allowance was introduced, the money went to the mothers in hope that the money would get spent on the children instead of at the pub.  It mostly worked.

That's the kind of history people need to be taught. The temperance movement was more than a bunch of wet blankets. Well, I'm sure there were some wet blankets among the supporters. ;)

Wonder if the legalized pot will ever go sideways and become a problem?

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #1603 on: October 03, 2019, 09:30:31 AM »
I work in a hospital and on some "pay day" Friday nights, an absurd amount of staff call off work.  Nurses, nurses assistants, respiratory therapists, etc. 

Even when I was a teenager and got paid on Fridays, I never had to call off work so I could spend that money the day I got it.  I don't get it.

We work a 5-4-9 schedule where we're off every other Friday.  TPTB discovered years ago that making payday the Thursday before the off-Friday was a great way to prevent this.

Some jobs ago 8 had co-workers who often called us in for a payday visit to the pub, each month again. Of course, I never saw the point of spending your payday the first day in the pub. In the further past this happened regularly, working men spending their paycheck in the pub, leaving their wife and children without income.

Here too, back in the 1860s - it was the start of the temperance movement in Canada. In 1945 when Family Allowance was introduced, the money went to the mothers in hope that the money would get spent on the children instead of at the pub.  It mostly worked.

That's the kind of history people need to be taught. The temperance movement was more than a bunch of wet blankets. Well, I'm sure there were some wet blankets among the supporters. ;)

Wonder if the legalized pot will ever go sideways and become a problem?

The temperance movement was an attempt to get beyond paycheck-to-paycheck living and live-for-the-moment culture, which large numbers of people recognized as not being conducive to health or happiness especially in old age. However they misidentified alcohol as a vital link in the chain, if not the root cause of both those cultural problems. In reality, cultural problems such as the widespread acceptance of irresponsible living and the boring, meaningless lives (the kind that people drink or drug themselves up to avoid) stretched way beyond booze, and addiction turned out to be a phenomenon that didn't require alcohol.

I doubt live-for-the-moment culture will ever go away; it's become mainstream.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #1604 on: October 05, 2019, 08:39:55 AM »
In France I went once with a friend because it was the only place you could get a cup of coffee. Any cafe where you ordered a coffee would serve an espresso.
I thought the whole point of travelling was to experience how life is lived in other places.

Then again if one really wants filter coffees, most specialty coffee shops around the world seem to  offer both espresso-based drinks and pourover.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #1605 on: October 05, 2019, 08:59:07 AM »
In France I went once with a friend because it was the only place you could get a cup of coffee. Any cafe where you ordered a coffee would serve an espresso.
I thought the whole point of travelling was to experience how life is lived in other places.

Then again if one really wants filter coffees, most specialty coffee shops around the world seem to  offer both espresso-based drinks and pourover.
Sure. But when you live there for a year sometimes you just want a damn coffee like at home.

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« Reply #1606 on: October 05, 2019, 10:33:56 AM »
I don't eat fastfood when I'm at home, but when I'm on holidays you can find me in a McD a lot more often, for several reasons: they have reliable wifi, clean toilets and safe food. I have immune issues so when I doubt in foreign countries, I look for the big yellow M. These days they offer pretty good quality food (for a fastfood place) lots of salads and veggie options on the menu. Their food is probably the best quality of all the cheap fastfood places. My doctor always recommends food from big American corporations in countries where the food quality is lower, because they risk getting sued for $$$$$ so they go to extreme lengths to make sure their food is safe and their internal regulations are super strict. I guess compensation culture is good for something :)

They are opening McCafe's in many cities in Europe now, that basically look like Starbucks except they cost half as much. They look pretty nice on the outside and McDonalds is known to have good coffee (at least in my country, don't know if they use the same machines everywhere). We grab a coffee from them with a group of coworkers a couple of times a year because it's the only restaurant in walking distance from our office and our work coffee is awful. It's maybe 5 times a year so the bonding aspect is worth the money.  I have never visited Starbucks ever because it just seems so expensive - who in the right minds would pay over €5 for a cup of coffee when it costs half elsewhere?

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« Reply #1607 on: October 05, 2019, 04:17:11 PM »

They are opening McCafe's in many cities in Europe now, that basically look like Starbucks except they cost half as much.

McCafes have been in Australia for a long time, are they new in Europe and the USA?

Edit: I looked it up apparently they started in Australia


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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #1608 on: October 05, 2019, 07:54:16 PM »
In France I went once with a friend because it was the only place you could get a cup of coffee. Any cafe where you ordered a coffee would serve an espresso.
I thought the whole point of travelling was to experience how life is lived in other places.

Then again if one really wants filter coffees, most specialty coffee shops around the world seem to  offer both espresso-based drinks and pourover.
Sure. But when you live there for a year sometimes you just want a damn coffee like at home.
My uncle legit treats Starbucks like the Hard Rock Cafe.  He travels all over the world but HAS to hit a Starbucks in every city and hopefully get a mug if it has a local print.  There are fewer Starbucks abroad (especially nations that have high coffee pride like France and Italy) but they do exist in tourist areas

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« Reply #1609 on: October 05, 2019, 08:35:10 PM »
My mom (who has traveled to over 100 countries) has a goal every trip of getting pics of a McDonald’s, a bride, and a cat. Oddly, the latter is often the hardest!

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« Reply #1610 on: October 06, 2019, 01:59:16 AM »
My mom (who has traveled to over 100 countries) has a goal every trip of getting pics of a McDonald’s, a bride, and a cat. Oddly, the latter is often the hardest!

Such a fun idea!

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #1611 on: October 06, 2019, 03:32:15 AM »

They are opening McCafe's in many cities in Europe now, that basically look like Starbucks except they cost half as much.

McCafes have been in Australia for a long time, are they new in Europe and the USA?

Edit: I looked it up apparently they started in Australia

I didn't know that either. Our national caffeine addiction strikes again! :)

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #1612 on: October 06, 2019, 05:27:17 AM »

They are opening McCafe's in many cities in Europe now, that basically look like Starbucks except they cost half as much.

McCafes have been in Australia for a long time, are they new in Europe and the USA?

Edit: I looked it up apparently they started in Australia

I didn't know that either. Our national caffeine addiction strikes again! :)
It's been a 'thing' in the US for a few years now.

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« Reply #1613 on: October 06, 2019, 09:06:10 AM »
Office mate at work traded her car in for the exact same model, just another year.  No reason other than the dealership offered it to her and she thought it was a good deal.  It didn't cost her anything out of pocket and her payment stayed exactly the same. 

I pointed out that she in essence just rented her last car for the past year.  She didn't see why that was a bad thing.  She felt it was totally normal and okay to always have a car payment.  With that in mind, I didn't see any way to talk her out of doing this again next year.

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« Reply #1614 on: October 06, 2019, 02:00:35 PM »
Office mate at work traded her car in for the exact same model, just another year.  No reason other than the dealership offered it to her and she thought it was a good deal.  It didn't cost her anything out of pocket and her payment stayed exactly the same. 

I pointed out that she in essence just rented her last car for the past year.  She didn't see why that was a bad thing.  She felt it was totally normal and okay to always have a car payment.  With that in mind, I didn't see any way to talk her out of doing this again next year.

There's no point. I've tried it with people whose 5-year lease contract ends and they "get" to pick out a new car. They talk about it like it's a gift from Father Christmas instead of a big purchase with their own money.

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« Reply #1615 on: October 06, 2019, 03:46:09 PM »
Office mate at work traded her car in for the exact same model, just another year.  No reason other than the dealership offered it to her and she thought it was a good deal.  It didn't cost her anything out of pocket and her payment stayed exactly the same. 

I pointed out that she in essence just rented her last car for the past year.  She didn't see why that was a bad thing.  She felt it was totally normal and okay to always have a car payment.  With that in mind, I didn't see any way to talk her out of doing this again next year.

There's no point. I've tried it with people whose 5-year lease contract ends and they "get" to pick out a new car. They talk about it like it's a gift from Father Christmas instead of a big purchase with their own money.

Whereas I'm over here having a minor meltdown because I have to get a new car after mine was flooded and declared totaled. I don't exactly make a habit of throwing around thousands of dollar in a single purchase.

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« Reply #1616 on: October 06, 2019, 04:05:02 PM »
There is a contingent in our population that literally thinks of car payments as so normal they can’t wrap their heads around the concept of paying one off... and then not having a car payment. Just owning a car.

I never had a car payment until I was 37 years old. Before then, I just bought beaters and only paid what I could afford. I bought one new car, realized what BS that was, and then went back to used cars I could pay for.

I’m super thankful for my early experiences. I can’t even imagine how much I’ve saved on this over the years.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #1617 on: October 06, 2019, 04:12:26 PM »
My mom (who has traveled to over 100 countries) has a goal every trip of getting pics of a McDonald’s, a bride, and a cat. Oddly, the latter is often the hardest!

Maybe in some countries, McDonald's got to the cats first? ;)

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« Reply #1618 on: October 06, 2019, 04:23:39 PM »
Office mate at work traded her car in for the exact same model, just another year.  No reason other than the dealership offered it to her and she thought it was a good deal.  It didn't cost her anything out of pocket and her payment stayed exactly the same. 

I pointed out that she in essence just rented her last car for the past year.  She didn't see why that was a bad thing.  She felt it was totally normal and okay to always have a car payment.  With that in mind, I didn't see any way to talk her out of doing this again next year.

There's no point. I've tried it with people whose 5-year lease contract ends and they "get" to pick out a new car. They talk about it like it's a gift from Father Christmas instead of a big purchase with their own money.

This is why Apple introduces the iPhone purchase plan.  I know people who pay monthly and “get” the new iPhone when it comes out every year.  Act as if it’s a miracle from saint jobs

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #1619 on: October 07, 2019, 04:26:28 AM »
Office mate at work traded her car in for the exact same model, just another year.  No reason other than the dealership offered it to her and she thought it was a good deal.  It didn't cost her anything out of pocket and her payment stayed exactly the same. 

I pointed out that she in essence just rented her last car for the past year.  She didn't see why that was a bad thing.  She felt it was totally normal and okay to always have a car payment.  With that in mind, I didn't see any way to talk her out of doing this again next year.

There's no point. I've tried it with people whose 5-year lease contract ends and they "get" to pick out a new car. They talk about it like it's a gift from Father Christmas instead of a big purchase with their own money.


My uncle's second wife wanted a new car every three years.  It finally got to the point where they decided it was better (or the dealership could no longer roll enough negative equity into the deal) that they should just lease her cars. 

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #1620 on: October 07, 2019, 07:04:32 AM »
Tales from the federal contracting workplace:

1. A few weeks ago, I was talking with GovtGuy1 about cars and exercise. In a response to one of his questions, I mentioned I purchased my wife a 2019 Honda Insight (bought new, cash, as we keep our cars until they die).
Last Friday, in the breakroom, GovtGuy2, who must have overheard the chat with Guy1, asked if my wife liked her car, and how much was the monthly payment.
Me: the wife loves it, and there's no payments.
Guy2: what? how?
Me: Bought in cash
Guy2: Oh, you contractors make a lot of money
Me: We didn't have car payments for 13 years. (And in my head: yes, we get paid well because we do the actual technical work, that you guys can't learn and apply.)
Guy2: walks away... from the water/ice dispenser


2. Went for lunch with a high-ranking govt guy (GovtGuy3),another contractor (C1), and my co-worker (CW, fellow saver, investor, etc). GovtGuy3 talks about how he bought his wife a uber luxury SUV, she didn't drive it much as it was too big, so he bought her a smaller, imported luxury SUV. I was wondering how much he paid, when he mentioned the actual price and the payments. CW and I gave each other that look of "Oh... duh!" Guy3 frequently takes short-term overseas assignments to get the extra money to blow on "luxuries".
Then C1 talks about buying a top-of-the line, fully-loaded Toyota Highlander for his wife. He says he has 4 kids, he wanted a boy, so they got "lucky" on the 4th. CW and I look at each other, later on talk about the college-funding C1 will be doing, unless his kids join Uncle Sam's Military.

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« Reply #1621 on: October 07, 2019, 08:44:48 AM »
Office mate at work traded her car in for the exact same model, just another year.  No reason other than the dealership offered it to her and she thought it was a good deal.  It didn't cost her anything out of pocket and her payment stayed exactly the same. 

I pointed out that she in essence just rented her last car for the past year.  She didn't see why that was a bad thing.  She felt it was totally normal and okay to always have a car payment.  With that in mind, I didn't see any way to talk her out of doing this again next year.

I've heard similar talk from a few coworkers before. One thing that seems to come out is that while their payments stayed the same the duration of the loan is much longer. Super frustrating as they act like they received a free upgrade not recognizing that the longer loan equals more money spent...

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« Reply #1622 on: October 07, 2019, 09:04:59 AM »
Office mate at work traded her car in for the exact same model, just another year.  No reason other than the dealership offered it to her and she thought it was a good deal.  It didn't cost her anything out of pocket and her payment stayed exactly the same. 

I pointed out that she in essence just rented her last car for the past year.  She didn't see why that was a bad thing.  She felt it was totally normal and okay to always have a car payment.  With that in mind, I didn't see any way to talk her out of doing this again next year.

I've heard similar talk from a few coworkers before. One thing that seems to come out is that while their payments stayed the same the duration of the loan is much longer. Super frustrating as they act like they received a free upgrade not recognizing that the longer loan equals more money spent...


The dealerships know this.  I bought a car in 2014.  Starting right at the 2 year mark, I'd get letters in the mail from the "sales manager" at the dealership I bought it from telling me that he has someone who desperately wants to buy my car.  No shit.  My car is awesome.  That's why I had your dealership have it shipped in for me.  But it's a form letter hoping to get people in to upgrade their cars.  Apparently, people actually fall for it.

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« Reply #1623 on: October 07, 2019, 09:09:07 AM »

The dealerships know this.  I bought a car in 2014.  Starting right at the 2 year mark, I'd get letters in the mail from the "sales manager" at the dealership I bought it from telling me that he has someone who desperately wants to buy my car.  No shit.  My car is awesome.  That's why I had your dealership have it shipped in for me.  But it's a form letter hoping to get people in to upgrade their cars.  Apparently, people actually fall for it.

We received the same starting at year 2.  Then they ramped it up by year 3 - we've been invited to several "special" buying events in the past few months

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« Reply #1624 on: October 07, 2019, 09:39:31 AM »

The dealerships know this.  I bought a car in 2014.  Starting right at the 2 year mark, I'd get letters in the mail from the "sales manager" at the dealership I bought it from telling me that he has someone who desperately wants to buy my car.  No shit.  My car is awesome.  That's why I had your dealership have it shipped in for me.  But it's a form letter hoping to get people in to upgrade their cars.  Apparently, people actually fall for it.

We received the same starting at year 2.  Then they ramped it up by year 3 - we've been invited to several "special" buying events in the past few months

Same experience. It stops by year 7 though... apparently the perfectly reliable and well-maintained and efficient car isnt quite as valued/resaleable by that point.

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« Reply #1625 on: October 07, 2019, 09:54:53 AM »

The dealerships know this.  I bought a car in 2014.  Starting right at the 2 year mark, I'd get letters in the mail from the "sales manager" at the dealership I bought it from telling me that he has someone who desperately wants to buy my car.  No shit.  My car is awesome.  That's why I had your dealership have it shipped in for me.  But it's a form letter hoping to get people in to upgrade their cars.  Apparently, people actually fall for it.

We received the same starting at year 2.  Then they ramped it up by year 3 - we've been invited to several "special" buying events in the past few months

Same experience. It stops by year 7 though... apparently the perfectly reliable and well-maintained and efficient car isnt quite as valued/resaleable by that point.

Having it totaled in a wreck is somewhat effective too. 

They weren't really pleased when I told them I wasn't interested in a new one and asked if they knew of any available that were just like mine.  I was more or less told that I was on my own finding that unicorn and to come back and talk to them if I changed my mind about a new one.  I now drive a vehicle so similar to the old one that most people don't realize it's not the same one.  Thanks Carmax.

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« Reply #1626 on: October 07, 2019, 10:02:55 AM »

The dealerships know this.  I bought a car in 2014.  Starting right at the 2 year mark, I'd get letters in the mail from the "sales manager" at the dealership I bought it from telling me that he has someone who desperately wants to buy my car.  No shit.  My car is awesome.  That's why I had your dealership have it shipped in for me.  But it's a form letter hoping to get people in to upgrade their cars.  Apparently, people actually fall for it.

We received the same starting at year 2.  Then they ramped it up by year 3 - we've been invited to several "special" buying events in the past few months

Same experience. It stops by year 7 though... apparently the perfectly reliable and well-maintained and efficient car isnt quite as valued/resaleable by that point.

or they've decided you've died  (7 years with no response = can be declared legally dead in absentia in the US)

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« Reply #1627 on: October 07, 2019, 10:54:49 AM »
This is why Apple introduces the iPhone purchase plan.  I know people who pay monthly and “get” the new iPhone when it comes out every year.  Act as if it’s a miracle from saint jobs
UHH.... the ecological and human footprint of that. It may be less than a car, but it feels even more hard. A phone every year. A phone. Every year.


The dealerships know this.  I bought a car in 2014.  Starting right at the 2 year mark, I'd get letters in the mail from the "sales manager" at the dealership I bought it from telling me that he has someone who desperately wants to buy my car.  No shit.  My car is awesome.  That's why I had your dealership have it shipped in for me.  But it's a form letter hoping to get people in to upgrade their cars.  Apparently, people actually fall for it.

We received the same starting at year 2.  Then they ramped it up by year 3 - we've been invited to several "special" buying events in the past few months
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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #1628 on: October 07, 2019, 11:01:04 AM »
Office mate at work traded her car in for the exact same model, just another year.  No reason other than the dealership offered it to her and she thought it was a good deal.  It didn't cost her anything out of pocket and her payment stayed exactly the same. 

I pointed out that she in essence just rented her last car for the past year.  She didn't see why that was a bad thing.  She felt it was totally normal and okay to always have a car payment.  With that in mind, I didn't see any way to talk her out of doing this again next year.

I've heard similar talk from a few coworkers before. One thing that seems to come out is that while their payments stayed the same the duration of the loan is much longer. Super frustrating as they act like they received a free upgrade not recognizing that the longer loan equals more money spent...
She definitely recognized that the payments would be extended another year, but it didn't seem to equate to more money.  [psst, she's a financial analyst!].  She seems okay with the idea of paying a set amount every single month for as long as she drives. 

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« Reply #1629 on: October 07, 2019, 11:03:02 AM »

The dealerships know this.  I bought a car in 2014.  Starting right at the 2 year mark, I'd get letters in the mail from the "sales manager" at the dealership I bought it from telling me that he has someone who desperately wants to buy my car.  No shit.  My car is awesome.  That's why I had your dealership have it shipped in for me.  But it's a form letter hoping to get people in to upgrade their cars.  Apparently, people actually fall for it.

We received the same starting at year 2.  Then they ramped it up by year 3 - we've been invited to several "special" buying events in the past few months

Same experience. It stops by year 7 though... apparently the perfectly reliable and well-maintained and efficient car isnt quite as valued/resaleable by that point.

Exactly. In the beginning, we used to get a lot of commercials and letters about new cars. But now the car is 10 years old and I haven't seen them for some years.

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« Reply #1630 on: October 07, 2019, 12:30:17 PM »
UHH.... the ecological and human footprint of that. It may be less than a car, but it feels even more hard. A phone every year. A phone. Every year.
Heh.  I bought my current car 16.5 years ago for $4500.  They're paying $1,000 per year for a new phone.  The ecological footprint of their phones may be smaller than my car, but the economic footprint is certainly larger!

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« Reply #1631 on: October 07, 2019, 01:00:06 PM »
In France I went once with a friend because it was the only place you could get a cup of coffee. Any cafe where you ordered a coffee would serve an espresso.
I thought the whole point of travelling was to experience how life is lived in other places.

Then again if one really wants filter coffees, most specialty coffee shops around the world seem to  offer both espresso-based drinks and pourover.
Sure. But when you live there for a year sometimes you just want a damn coffee like at home.
I use a French Press everyday - home & office.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #1632 on: October 08, 2019, 12:07:14 AM »
Read on Intranet at work today:

"It is documented that going to our job is one of the most health increasing activities we do."

Many of us Mustachians experience that our jobs are in some aspects negative for our health and we want to stop working to lower stress levels.

But work probably provides a purpose and gives you something to do. It is our task to find more or less meaningful activities to fill our days with after FIRE.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #1633 on: October 08, 2019, 01:53:17 AM »
Hahahhaha

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #1634 on: October 08, 2019, 01:59:06 AM »

The dealerships know this.  I bought a car in 2014.  Starting right at the 2 year mark, I'd get letters in the mail from the "sales manager" at the dealership I bought it from telling me that he has someone who desperately wants to buy my car.  No shit.  My car is awesome.  That's why I had your dealership have it shipped in for me.  But it's a form letter hoping to get people in to upgrade their cars.  Apparently, people actually fall for it.

We received the same starting at year 2.  Then they ramped it up by year 3 - we've been invited to several "special" buying events in the past few months

Same experience. It stops by year 7 though... apparently the perfectly reliable and well-maintained and efficient car isnt quite as valued/resaleable by that point.

Exactly. In the beginning, we used to get a lot of commercials and letters about new cars. But now the car is 10 years old and I haven't seen them for some years.

Don’t worry, that’s about when they start calling you to warn you that your extended warranty is about to expire and offer you a great deal on an extension!

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #1635 on: October 08, 2019, 03:20:59 AM »
Read on Intranet at work today:

"It is documented that going to our job is one of the most health increasing activities we do."

Many of us Mustachians experience that our jobs are in some aspects negative for our health and we want to stop working to lower stress levels.

But work probably provides a purpose and gives you something to do. It is our task to find more or less meaningful activities to fill our days with after FIRE.

Can't find the article again now, but there was a story some time ago that most people who quit working by their own free will return to the workforce within 6 months. Mainly due to it not being as great as imagined plut the realization that it's less fun to have time off while all friends/family/whatever is at work most of the day.

Along the same lines there was a story in NY Times I read where they found that unemployed people look forward to the weekend almost as much as people working - this was also due to a lot of fun happens on weekends when more people have time to do it.

So retiring early probably at least requires a fairly solid plan on how to do stuff that feels meaningful. Not just having time off. A friend of mine had 3 months "holiday" when he was between jobs and he degenerated into something close to a zombie just staying at home in his morning robe most of the time.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #1636 on: October 08, 2019, 04:00:05 AM »
Read on Intranet at work today:

"It is documented that going to our job is one of the most health increasing activities we do."

Many of us Mustachians experience that our jobs are in some aspects negative for our health and we want to stop working to lower stress levels.

But work probably provides a purpose and gives you something to do. It is our task to find more or less meaningful activities to fill our days with after FIRE.

Can't find the article again now, but there was a story some time ago that most people who quit working by their own free will return to the workforce within 6 months. Mainly due to it not being as great as imagined plut the realization that it's less fun to have time off while all friends/family/whatever is at work most of the day.

Along the same lines there was a story in NY Times I read where they found that unemployed people look forward to the weekend almost as much as people working - this was also due to a lot of fun happens on weekends when more people have time to do it.

So retiring early probably at least requires a fairly solid plan on how to do stuff that feels meaningful. Not just having time off. A friend of mine had 3 months "holiday" when he was between jobs and he degenerated into something close to a zombie just staying at home in his morning robe most of the time.

For me, it might depend on the weather. I love skiing, hiking and being outside. But in some times of the year, it is a bit more depressing to be outside. Then you need to have something to do: social life, events, indoor hobbies, or binge-watching TV shows.

We once took 3 months off during the summer. In that time we renovated the bathroom from scratch, including floor, walls and ceiling. That took 5 weeks in total. And we took lots of trips the rest of the time. My only concern there, was that we spent maybe a bit too much money on a trip to Italy. The rest was pretty cheap.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #1637 on: October 08, 2019, 11:16:27 AM »

The dealerships know this.  I bought a car in 2014.  Starting right at the 2 year mark, I'd get letters in the mail from the "sales manager" at the dealership I bought it from telling me that he has someone who desperately wants to buy my car.  No shit.  My car is awesome.  That's why I had your dealership have it shipped in for me.  But it's a form letter hoping to get people in to upgrade their cars.  Apparently, people actually fall for it.

We received the same starting at year 2.  Then they ramped it up by year 3 - we've been invited to several "special" buying events in the past few months

I've been getting these now - for our 2009 Civic.  Apparently they really want us to upgrade...except all the ads we get are for 2019-20 Civics.  When in reality, the only thing that would really tempt me is a minivan.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #1638 on: October 08, 2019, 03:28:48 PM »
Not at work but friends in a group text chat...A few months back, several texted about their generally "poor" financial status including one guy who I know makes much more than me. He went through a divorce recently and I thought that could be leading to some of his concerns.  Today, someone else suggested getting out of the market for a month or two while impeachment concerns swirl.   My divorced friend replied back that he pulled out of the stock market totally in November 2011 (Dow was 13K).  Afraid if he gets in now, it will crash again. 

I'm not sure how to reply.  Think I'm going with a safe platitude such as time in the market is better than timing the market.  I will probably see my friend in person in a month so may revisit then. 

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #1639 on: October 08, 2019, 03:34:17 PM »

The dealerships know this.  I bought a car in 2014.  Starting right at the 2 year mark, I'd get letters in the mail from the "sales manager" at the dealership I bought it from telling me that he has someone who desperately wants to buy my car.  No shit.  My car is awesome.  That's why I had your dealership have it shipped in for me.  But it's a form letter hoping to get people in to upgrade their cars.  Apparently, people actually fall for it.

We received the same starting at year 2.  Then they ramped it up by year 3 - we've been invited to several "special" buying events in the past few months

I've been getting these now - for our 2009 Civic.  Apparently they really want us to upgrade...except all the ads we get are for 2019-20 Civics.  When in reality, the only thing that would really tempt me is a minivan.

About 3 months after I bought my Nissan Juke I started getting mailings about how I should probably consider upgrading to a brand new PATHFINDER!!  Because apparently my decision to get the smallest possible SUV 3 months ago is now totally irrelevant and I suddenly want to drive a giant albatross.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #1640 on: October 08, 2019, 03:52:28 PM »

The dealerships know this.  I bought a car in 2014.  Starting right at the 2 year mark, I'd get letters in the mail from the "sales manager" at the dealership I bought it from telling me that he has someone who desperately wants to buy my car.  No shit.  My car is awesome.  That's why I had your dealership have it shipped in for me.  But it's a form letter hoping to get people in to upgrade their cars.  Apparently, people actually fall for it.

We received the same starting at year 2.  Then they ramped it up by year 3 - we've been invited to several "special" buying events in the past few months

I've been getting these now - for our 2009 Civic.  Apparently they really want us to upgrade...except all the ads we get are for 2019-20 Civics.  When in reality, the only thing that would really tempt me is a minivan.

About 3 months after I bought my Nissan Juke I started getting mailings about how I should probably consider upgrading to a brand new PATHFINDER!!  Because apparently my decision to get the smallest possible SUV 3 months ago is now totally irrelevant and I suddenly want to drive a giant albatross.

Of course, that makes a lot of sense. 3 months is long enough to get buyer's regret, because your brand new car is still the smallest on the parking lot. Time to trade it in for a real car.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #1641 on: October 08, 2019, 04:00:02 PM »
Because naturally women will be judging you based on the size of the parking space you fill up.

Hah

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #1642 on: October 08, 2019, 04:26:27 PM »
Because naturally women will be judging you based on the size of the parking space you fill up.

Hah

Well... if there's any truth to the saying that consumer-sukka women dress to impress other women, maybe consumer-sukka men buy cars to impress other men.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #1643 on: October 08, 2019, 04:49:54 PM »
Because naturally women will be judging you based on the size of the parking space you fill up.

Hah

Well... if there's any truth to the saying that consumer-sukka women dress to impress other women, maybe consumer-sukka men buy cars to impress other men.

I know my male coworkers definitely try to impress each other by having big cars. And women who drive big 'masculine' cars are respected way more than women who drive small 'feminine' cars. Size definitely matters more than price tag.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #1644 on: October 08, 2019, 05:01:53 PM »
Because naturally women will be judging you based on the size of the parking space you fill up.

Hah

I mean, I do...

But in reverse.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #1645 on: October 08, 2019, 05:43:29 PM »
Because naturally women will be judging you based on the size of the parking space you fill up.

Hah

I mean, I do...

But in reverse.
Yes! “Little penis trucks” as my friend dubbed the huge hick trucks of some of our high school classmates

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #1646 on: October 09, 2019, 07:37:31 AM »
Saw the new Ford Ranger for the first time yesterday. Mentioned I liked it better than the big trucks. Friend looked at me like I broke some rule of manliness. I won't mention to him then that I also like the Honda Ridgeline. And that is barely a truck by some people's measure. Am not in the market for a truck at any size though. I get by fine with a little utility trailer.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #1647 on: October 09, 2019, 08:14:27 AM »
Because naturally women will be judging you based on the size of the parking space you fill up.

Hah

I mean, I do...

But in reverse.

me too. Especially the big shiny pick up trucks that are used for commuting. Compensating for - something.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #1648 on: October 09, 2019, 11:34:14 AM »
Because naturally women will be judging you based on the size of the parking space you fill up.

Hah

I mean, I do...

But in reverse.
Me too, and not solely because I cannot fucking see to back out of a parking lot if a big truck/SUV parks next to me.

BTW, I drive the "big" car.  The 06 Matrix.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #1649 on: October 09, 2019, 06:40:43 PM »
Coworker 1 this week the day after corporate announcement that our pension plan was frozen (not for me as it has been closed to new hires for 7 years). "I upped my 401k 1% to make up for it", with it being the frozen pension. This was also immediately after Coworker1 had a discussion with Coworker2 who said both he and his wife were, and had been, maxing their 401k's for years. CW1 said "I don't know how you can do that". Granted, CW2 almost certainly makes about 20% more than CW1, but we're all paid low (very low) six figures. And there is a 50% 401k match. I just kept drinking my free coffee.