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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2450 on: March 12, 2020, 01:50:16 PM »
^I had a Yankee White long ago and it is not technically a clearance but does have to do with access to the President but not necessarily just at the White House. SCI-TS is generally highest (had those but lapsed after 2 years off the job but sister works a couple of times a month to keep hers active - works in a SCIF), Secret and Confidential are lower.

To answer Sword Guy if you hold those clearance (or other DoD or DoJ ones) you are given periodical reinvestigations every 5 years if nothing comes up before that that needs to be investigated. Usually someone's financials will be known long before that.
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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2451 on: March 12, 2020, 02:31:23 PM »

Technically, if you know of a reason that someone with a clearance is a security risk -- lots of debt they can't handle is one of them! -- it's your duty to report that to a security officer.

uhm, be careful how you phrase that.  Lots of debt is just one "red flag" and that red flag will come out through regular scheduled background checks.   That and other factors may lead to a deeper investigation. 
If you KNOW of a reason that someone with a clearance is a security risk, then you report a breach.  You don't report based on "oh, they have a lot of debt".  Although, if you truly suspect and there are multiple red flags, then by all means, report.

Please note I did not say, "Lots of debt."   I said, "Lots of debt they can't handle."   

If you know they are drowning in debt they are a security risk.     If they can handle that debt despite what they said or did that clued you into their problem, that will come out in the security review.   If they can't, well, they can't and they *are* a security risk.

Okay, @SwordGuy the "they can't handle" part makes your case for you.  I am just concerned that some judgey person is going to look at co-workers and assume they know more about their financial situation than they do. 

Here's the obligation to report financial problems (very broad and vague: 

Any financial considerations that indicate an inability or an unwillingness to satisfy debts. Examples include:
Not meeting financial obligations, such as a mortgage foreclosure, bankruptcy, debt collections, charge-offs, or failure to pay State and Federal taxes;
Financial problems linked to gambling, drug abuse, alcoholism; or
Other financial issues.

What are the levels, anyway? 
Confidential - Secret - Top Secret?  Is that it?

They start with public trust, confidential, secret, TS, TS-SCI, Special Access, Yankee White.

Special Access programs come with a codeword designation.   I've only been on one of those and I was brought in so quickly that I never had more than a "handshake" as a read-in. These ones can be so secret, that you can't even acknowledge their existence.  So rather than saying "I'm not at liberty to discuss that", you have to actively lie about what you're doing or where you're going.  That sucks even more than saying "sorry honey, I can't talk about my work".  I honestly don't think people realize how draining it is to not be able to tell your loved ones what you do. 

Yankee White - I think that's all White House stuff.  Not my wheelhouse.

The Department of Energy has (had?) 5 clearance levels.  Q, Top Secret, L, Secret, Work Approval ie "0". 
The letter clearances correspond to the DOD clearances but add "Restricted Data" ie nuclear weapons info or access to special nuclear materials.
https://fas.org/sgp/classdoe.htm

I only had a "0"- read "zero"
When I was assigned to PUREX lab, I entered through the guardshack (razor wire, fully automatic weapons etc, my badge was physically touched).
I sat down at my desk, within 15 minutes, someone who hadn't seen me escorted in asked "are you allowed to be here"?  My response was, "well the guards didn't shoot at me when I entered".
Everyone else had a Q, but most were in the process of being given L clearances, as "production" of  special nuclear materials had ended.

The reporting requirements list included:
Unofficial contact with a (DOE) Sensitive Country
Arrests, detentions, convictions
Bankruptcy
Traffic Fines over  100 dollars - onsite tickets got close, but rarely over, as security did not want to deal with the fight for a reportable fine.
Foreign Travel, Official and separately, All Other
Name change
Theft or Misuse of Govt. property
Violations and Infractions
Vulnerabilities
All had separate phone #

I kept the 1992 paper that had this info, as it was the only place I've ever seen an emergency action of RUN on a safety brief.  This was for the criticality alarm.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2452 on: March 13, 2020, 04:00:54 AM »


Technically, if you know of a reason that someone with a clearance is a security risk -- lots of debt they can't handle is one of them! -- it's your duty to report that to a security officer.

uhm, be careful how you phrase that.  Lots of debt is just one "red flag" and that red flag will come out through regular scheduled background checks.   That and other factors may lead to a deeper investigation. 
If you KNOW of a reason that someone with a clearance is a security risk, then you report a breach.  You don't report based on "oh, they have a lot of debt".  Although, if you truly suspect and there are multiple red flags, then by all means, report.

Please note I did not say, "Lots of debt."   I said, "Lots of debt they can't handle."   

If you know they are drowning in debt they are a security risk.     If they can handle that debt despite what they said or did that clued you into their problem, that will come out in the security review.   If they can't, well, they can't and they *are* a security risk.



Okay, @SwordGuy the "they can't handle" part makes your case for you.  I am just concerned that some judgey person is going to look at co-workers and assume they know more about their financial situation than they do. 

Here's the obligation to report financial problems (very broad and vague: 

Any financial considerations that indicate an inability or an unwillingness to satisfy debts. Examples include:
Not meeting financial obligations, such as a mortgage foreclosure, bankruptcy, debt collections, charge-offs, or failure to pay State and Federal taxes;
Financial problems linked to gambling, drug abuse, alcoholism; or
Other financial issues.




What are the levels, anyway? 
Confidential - Secret - Top Secret?  Is that it?

They start with public trust, confidential, secret, TS, TS-SCI, Special Access, Yankee White.

Special Access programs come with a codeword designation.   I've only been on one of those and I was brought in so quickly that I never had more than a "handshake" as a read-in. These ones can be so secret, that you can't even acknowledge their existence.  So rather than saying "I'm not at liberty to discuss that", you have to actively lie about what you're doing or where you're going.  That sucks even more than saying "sorry honey, I can't talk about my work".  I honestly don't think people realize how draining it is to not be able to tell your loved ones what you do. 

Yankee White - I think that's all White House stuff.  Not my wheelhouse.

All the damn time.  It's very rare I can tell my wife how my day actually went.  My uncle did imagery analysis for the Air Force. All his wife would say is that he did "all that secret shit."  I don't think she ever really knew the full story until after he retired.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2453 on: March 13, 2020, 05:40:32 AM »
I got read in to one where there was one place, and one place only, a very special place, where you could talk about it.  Say one word about it anywhere else and you were violating security.

I also have a few stories that I can never tell.  Fun stuff. 

Well, it can be.

In Germany if Representatives want to look at the top secret stuff, there is a special room. Nothign is allowed, no phone, no pencil. Eyes only in the literal sense. And of course they are not allowed to talk about what they read. And still have to judge and make laws based on this...

Anyway, there is of course also a watch person. And nothing else. And this person can kick you out of the room if he says you are not following the rules.
If you ever thought you, the voter, through your representatives, are the souvereign, then remember that there is a person who can stop everyone accessing material about life threatening dangers.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2454 on: March 13, 2020, 06:34:43 AM »
I got read in to one where there was one place, and one place only, a very special place, where you could talk about it.  Say one word about it anywhere else and you were violating security.

I also have a few stories that I can never tell.  Fun stuff. 

Well, it can be.

In Germany if Representatives want to look at the top secret stuff, there is a special room. Nothign is allowed, no phone, no pencil. Eyes only in the literal sense. And of course they are not allowed to talk about what they read. And still have to judge and make laws based on this...

Anyway, there is of course also a watch person. And nothing else. And this person can kick you out of the room if he says you are not following the rules.
If you ever thought you, the voter, through your representatives, are the souvereign, then remember that there is a person who can stop everyone accessing material about life threatening dangers.
  And if they are seen to abuse that delegated authority the legislators will take it away from them or replace them.  It's a fine line between the two needs.

Wise legislatures recognize that there are some things they will be collectively bad at and set up systems to remove themselves from temptation.   In this case, the temptation to release info to the public for personal gain that would harm the nation.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2455 on: March 13, 2020, 11:40:10 AM »
Sorry to interrupt the fascinating classified discussion but I finally have something to contribute to the thread.
 Yesterday our CEO and VP sent out mass emails about our companyís stance on handling the corona virus. They played it off as no big deal, not as bad as the flu, everyone wash your hands and wipe down surfaces regularly and if we just heed our parents advice of being sensible and staying clean then we will all be fine. Oh, and go get a flu shot if you havenít already because that will help tremendously! Then they ended the emails with quotes from Fox News.

I work in a hotel with a bar and restaurant that caters to wealthy retirees of a certain age. I think I might put in for my PTO today.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2456 on: March 13, 2020, 01:09:06 PM »
I work in financial services.  Pretty much everything we do is tied to that stock market thingy.  All the office kitchens have a TV broadcasting financial news, and no they won't give us the remote so you can watch something else.  You'd be surprised how often that comes up, but I digress.

I was setting up for a meeting, and had just walked through the kitchen to grab some supplies, when I saw the ticker at the bottom of the screen that the DJIA had just dipped into correction territory.  When I walked into the conference room, I announced to the people in the room, also prepping for the meeting, that it's official, the Dow was in correction territory.  One person asked, what does that mean?  And everyone else stopped to listen.  By the time I was done, I had explained WHAT the Dow was, and that the S&P hadn't slipped into correction territory just yet, but it was likely inevitable at that point.  I was shocked at how little everyone knew, when it's kinda of our business to know!

Earlier this week, an e-mail went out.  HR is changing our time card system, and at the same time, they'll be shifting us over, in August, from a 24 pay period cycle to a 26 pay period cycle.  We'll also be paid 2 weeks in arrears, whereas now, our payday actually includes the day we haven't worked yet (get paid on the 15th AM, for the pay period ending the 15th).  So, our paychecks will be smaller, and we'll probably have to go a long period without a check.  Stay tuned for mass pandemonium and confusion!

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2457 on: March 13, 2020, 03:33:23 PM »
Sorry to interrupt the fascinating classified discussion but I finally have something to contribute to the thread.
 Yesterday our CEO and VP sent out mass emails about our companyís stance on handling the corona virus. They played it off as no big deal, not as bad as the flu, everyone wash your hands and wipe down surfaces regularly and if we just heed our parents advice of being sensible and staying clean then we will all be fine. Oh, and go get a flu shot if you havenít already because that will help tremendously! Then they ended the emails with quotes from Fox News.

I work in a hotel with a bar and restaurant that caters to wealthy retirees of a certain age. I think I might put in for my PTO today.

Jaw dropping


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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2458 on: March 13, 2020, 06:16:04 PM »
Sorry to interrupt the fascinating classified discussion but I finally have something to contribute to the thread.
 Yesterday our CEO and VP sent out mass emails about our companyís stance on handling the corona virus. They played it off as no big deal, not as bad as the flu, everyone wash your hands and wipe down surfaces regularly and if we just heed our parents advice of being sensible and staying clean then we will all be fine. Oh, and go get a flu shot if you havenít already because that will help tremendously! Then they ended the emails with quotes from Fox News.

I work in a hotel with a bar and restaurant that caters to wealthy retirees of a certain age. I think I might put in for my PTO today.

Wow. Even the guy who keeps posting "its a hoax" memes on FB (love the one that rearranges the dates for previous pandemics, don't you?) cancelled a meeting when push came to shove.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2459 on: March 13, 2020, 06:49:21 PM »
I work in financial services.  Pretty much everything we do is tied to that stock market thingy.  All the office kitchens have a TV broadcasting financial news, and no they won't give us the remote so you can watch something else.  You'd be surprised how often that comes up, but I digress.

I was setting up for a meeting, and had just walked through the kitchen to grab some supplies, when I saw the ticker at the bottom of the screen that the DJIA had just dipped into correction territory.  When I walked into the conference room, I announced to the people in the room, also prepping for the meeting, that it's official, the Dow was in correction territory.  One person asked, what does that mean?  And everyone else stopped to listen.  By the time I was done, I had explained WHAT the Dow was, and that the S&P hadn't slipped into correction territory just yet, but it was likely inevitable at that point.  I was shocked at how little everyone knew, when it's kinda of our business to know!

Earlier this week, an e-mail went out.  HR is changing our time card system, and at the same time, they'll be shifting us over, in August, from a 24 pay period cycle to a 26 pay period cycle.  We'll also be paid 2 weeks in arrears, whereas now, our payday actually includes the day we haven't worked yet (get paid on the 15th AM, for the pay period ending the 15th).  So, our paychecks will be smaller, and we'll probably have to go a long period without a check.  Stay tuned for mass pandemonium and confusion!

The transition from 24 pay periods to 26 can go pretty smoothly if done right.  For example, time it to start the smaller 2-week paycheck (instead of half-month) during a month with three paychecks.  But it's strange that your current pay period ends on day of payment and they'll be moving you to two weeks in arrears.  We were one week in arrears at 24/year, and stayed at one week when we went to 26/year.  No major complaints, just kind annoying that it messes up my monthly income graph.

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« Reply #2460 on: March 13, 2020, 11:02:17 PM »
I work in financial services.  Pretty much everything we do is tied to that stock market thingy.  All the office kitchens have a TV broadcasting financial news, and no they won't give us the remote so you can watch something else.  You'd be surprised how often that comes up, but I digress.

I was setting up for a meeting, and had just walked through the kitchen to grab some supplies, when I saw the ticker at the bottom of the screen that the DJIA had just dipped into correction territory.  When I walked into the conference room, I announced to the people in the room, also prepping for the meeting, that it's official, the Dow was in correction territory.  One person asked, what does that mean?  And everyone else stopped to listen.  By the time I was done, I had explained WHAT the Dow was, and that the S&P hadn't slipped into correction territory just yet, but it was likely inevitable at that point.  I was shocked at how little everyone knew, when it's kinda of our business to know!

Earlier this week, an e-mail went out.  HR is changing our time card system, and at the same time, they'll be shifting us over, in August, from a 24 pay period cycle to a 26 pay period cycle.  We'll also be paid 2 weeks in arrears, whereas now, our payday actually includes the day we haven't worked yet (get paid on the 15th AM, for the pay period ending the 15th).  So, our paychecks will be smaller, and we'll probably have to go a long period without a check.  Stay tuned for mass pandemonium and confusion!

The transition from 24 pay periods to 26 can go pretty smoothly if done right.  For example, time it to start the smaller 2-week paycheck (instead of half-month) during a month with three paychecks.  But it's strange that your current pay period ends on day of payment and they'll be moving you to two weeks in arrears.  We were one week in arrears at 24/year, and stayed at one week when we went to 26/year.  No major complaints, just kind annoying that it messes up my monthly income graph.

No biggie.  Just change your spreadsheet to accrual accounting.  Your liabilities probably already are if you pull your credit Card balances Into mint/etc

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2461 on: March 14, 2020, 04:14:26 AM »
Sorry to interrupt the fascinating classified discussion but I finally have something to contribute to the thread.
 Yesterday our CEO and VP sent out mass emails about our companyís stance on handling the corona virus. They played it off as no big deal, not as bad as the flu, everyone wash your hands and wipe down surfaces regularly and if we just heed our parents advice of being sensible and staying clean then we will all be fine. Oh, and go get a flu shot if you havenít already because that will help tremendously! Then they ended the emails with quotes from Fox News.

I work in a hotel with a bar and restaurant that caters to wealthy retirees of a certain age. I think I might put in for my PTO today.
Quotes? They didn't even have the brain to reformulate it?
Wait, if they had a working brain they would not watch Fox News.

So everyone is shutting down half of public life, but this risk-group company will be totally okay with a bit more hand washing?
I wonder if after employees are sick and a retiree dies, the company will be sued? Manslaughter by negligence, something on that line.
Maybe time to not only get paid leave, but a new job too?

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2462 on: March 14, 2020, 04:47:24 AM »
Re. the discussions of security clearances.
When I was in, we were told not to discuss what clearance we had so as to not make ourselves a juicy target. So people writing about what level they or their relatives had or have is raising some hairs. Is it really okay now to publish that info on a public forum?

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2463 on: March 14, 2020, 06:00:31 AM »
Re. the discussions of security clearances.
When I was in, we were told not to discuss what clearance we had so as to not make ourselves a juicy target. So people writing about what level they or their relatives had or have is raising some hairs. Is it really okay now to publish that info on a public forum?

Since all I ever had was a 0, I think I would be exempt from that "rule".
Depending on the subject, a few years time could make the classified knowledge irrelevant , but still not revealable.  Some jobs have well known clearance level, so hiding it isn't that useful.

That being said, I remember that people were told to BIP (Badge In Pocket) in public. This could be difficult for those at the most secure facility, as they had extra, bulky and distinctive radiation detectors.

At least one personnel database at the Pentagon has been breached, as DW and I were told our info was at risk.  We were part of a relative's background check.

The clearence level per se is probably less important than subject matter. - no reference available, just opinion.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2464 on: March 14, 2020, 01:44:10 PM »
A couple of funny security related stories.

We got a contract to install video conferencing systems at Redstone.  The systems were not secure but the transmission lines and some of the facilities were.

1) The most secure building I set up a system in required me to get cleared in through a locked entryway where the armed guards very carefully checked my ID to ensure I was pre-authorized to enter.  Since I did not have a security clearance there were red lights flashing inside the building to alert everyone inside that I was in the facility and all classified documents must be locked up.  I had a mandatory escort watching me at all times.  Seemed pretty tight security to me.  Then I asked where the equipment was that I needed to install. "Oh, it is out back on the loading dock."  I was led to the back door, which was propped open with a rock!  The smokers would duck out back when they wanted a drag and needed to be able to get back in easily........  Nobody seemed to care about the dichotomy between front and back door security.

2) Another system was installed in a secure conference room used by the top brass.  Very secure, again with the armed guards watching us install the equipment.  The entire room was a Faraday cage, no EMF allowed.  In the middle of the install, my cell phone rang!........  This caused much hubbub and consternation.  Several senior officers started asking pointed questions of me, the guards, and most pointedly the facility management staff.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
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2) Another system was installed in a secure conference room used by the top brass.  Very secure, again with the armed guards watching us install the equipment.  The entire room was a Faraday cage, no EMF allowed.  In the middle of the install, my cell phone rang!........  This caused much hubbub and consternation.  Several senior officers started asking pointed questions of me, the guards, and most pointedly the facility management staff.

We just installed cell phone scanners in our building. They're so sensitive that sometimes they pick up blue tooth devices from the floor beneath us.  That area isn't supposed to be secure and isn't a threat, but it's annoying when the device is announcing to nobody "Blue Tooth Detected!" It's hilarious when it happens and a random person is walking past it at the same moment though. We all know it gives false-positives so we give that poor guy a hard time.

Re. the discussions of security clearances.
When I was in, we were told not to discuss what clearance we had so as to not make ourselves a juicy target. So people writing about what level they or their relatives had or have is raising some hairs. Is it really okay now to publish that info on a public forum?

I've mentioned my clearance level and vague reference to the city where I live/work, but you don't know my full name or what it is I actually do.  If I gave you anything else that could tie me by name to a specific program that would be stupid on my part.  I've been to parts of the world on official travel where I was instructed to not wear a uniform or anything else that might easily identify me as American or US military (MMA shirts and camouflage backpacks being a favorite of this generation).  I suppose I could pass for Russian or German until I open my mouth, but I get the sentiment.  I attended a conference in Europe where we were supposed to maintain a low profile and when we got off the plane a taxi driver was standing there with a placard that said "Lieutenant Smith, Special Operations Command Europe."  I never found the little twerp responsible for that, but I hope he and his boss has a little chat later.

Since all I ever had was a 0, I think I would be exempt from that "rule".
Depending on the subject, a few years time could make the classified knowledge irrelevant , but still not revealable.  Some jobs have well known clearance level, so hiding it isn't that useful.

That being said, I remember that people were told to BIP (Badge In Pocket) in public. This could be difficult for those at the most secure facility, as they had extra, bulky and distinctive radiation detectors.

At least one personnel database at the Pentagon has been breached, as DW and I were told our info was at risk.  We were part of a relative's background check.

The clearence level per se is probably less important than subject matter. - no reference available, just opinion.


I put my badge away as soon as I leave the building.  I had to pull aside a soldier who wore her uniform to the mall, security badge still hanging around her neck.

My credit report and my SF 86 have been the property of hackers for over a decade thanks to OPM and the VA.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2466 on: March 15, 2020, 05:32:40 AM »

1) The most secure building I set up a system in required me to get cleared in through a locked entryway where the armed guards very carefully checked my ID to ensure I was pre-authorized to enter.  Since I did not have a security clearance there were red lights flashing inside the building to alert everyone inside that I was in the facility and all classified documents must be locked up.  I had a mandatory escort watching me at all times.  Seemed pretty tight security to me.  Then I asked where the equipment was that I needed to install. "Oh, it is out back on the loading dock."  I was led to the back door, which was propped open with a rock!  The smokers would duck out back when they wanted a drag and needed to be able to get back in easily........  Nobody seemed to care about the dichotomy between front and back door security.

In this case I actually care less about the open door. I mean you must be fairly good friends to the grim reaper to run into a building with multiple armed guards everywhere.

But having sensible IT parked in the open where everyone could get malware on it that goes undetected for years?

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2467 on: March 15, 2020, 12:57:48 PM »
Co-Worker: (circa end-of-February) "I am out of the market, sold everything today, market it about to go to shit"

Me: (circa March 12th) "how does it feel to have call the top?"

Co-Worker: "Pretty good, I am lucky I got out when I did"

Me: "Are you buying back in soon? You know the old saying about having to time it right twice."

Co-Worker: "Don't need to, I spent most of it already. I probably wont invest again, just for the 401k match"

.... Think your doing it wrong !!

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« Reply #2468 on: March 15, 2020, 12:58:22 PM »

1) The most secure building I set up a system in required me to get cleared in through a locked entryway where the armed guards very carefully checked my ID to ensure I was pre-authorized to enter.  Since I did not have a security clearance there were red lights flashing inside the building to alert everyone inside that I was in the facility and all classified documents must be locked up.  I had a mandatory escort watching me at all times.  Seemed pretty tight security to me.  Then I asked where the equipment was that I needed to install. "Oh, it is out back on the loading dock."  I was led to the back door, which was propped open with a rock!  The smokers would duck out back when they wanted a drag and needed to be able to get back in easily........  Nobody seemed to care about the dichotomy between front and back door security.

In this case I actually care less about the open door. I mean you must be fairly good friends to the grim reaper to run into a building with multiple armed guards everywhere.

But having sensible IT parked in the open where everyone could get malware on it that goes undetected for years?

I moved the equipment inside and installed it in the appropriate location.  Re: the guards, I was there to do a job.  Why should trained people carrying guns bother me?

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« Reply #2469 on: March 15, 2020, 02:28:48 PM »
Co-Worker: (circa end-of-February) "I am out of the market, sold everything today, market it about to go to shit"

Me: (circa March 12th) "how does it feel to have call the top?"

Co-Worker: "Pretty good, I am lucky I got out when I did"

Me: "Are you buying back in soon? You know the old saying about having to time it right twice."

Co-Worker: "Don't need to, I spent most of it already. I probably wont invest again, just for the 401k match"

.... Think your doing it wrong !!

They timed their spending wrong.  As the economy ranks there will be deals to be had on all kinds of consumer goods.  At least in 2008 there was

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« Reply #2470 on: March 15, 2020, 03:24:08 PM »
Co-Worker: (circa end-of-February) "I am out of the market, sold everything today, market it about to go to shit"

Me: (circa March 12th) "how does it feel to have call the top?"

Co-Worker: "Pretty good, I am lucky I got out when I did"

Me: "Are you buying back in soon? You know the old saying about having to time it right twice."

Co-Worker: "Don't need to, I spent most of it already. I probably wont invest again, just for the 401k match"

.... Think your doing it wrong !!

They timed their spending wrong.  As the economy ranks there will be deals to be had on all kinds of consumer goods.  At least in 2008 there was

I had a similar conversation:

Co-Worker: Got out of the market a month ago.  I feel like a bit of a genius that I timed it right.

Me: The genius part will be when you decide to go back in.

Co-worker: I'm going to wait until it returns to the same value before putting it in again.


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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2471 on: March 24, 2020, 09:16:42 AM »
The guys are watching Extreme Cheapskates.  I have to keep my mouth shut because *some* of the things that they are talking about actually make sense to me (cutting open a toothpaste tube to get the last bit not taking leftovers from other people's table at a restaurant).

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« Reply #2472 on: March 24, 2020, 10:31:26 AM »
The guys are watching Extreme Cheapskates.  I have to keep my mouth shut because *some* of the things that they are talking about actually make sense to me (cutting open a toothpaste tube to get the last bit not taking leftovers from other people's table at a restaurant).

Iím not convinced.  Somebody run the cost benefit analysis on the lost scissor longevity from cutting foil laminate

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2473 on: March 24, 2020, 11:27:25 AM »
The guys are watching Extreme Cheapskates.  I have to keep my mouth shut because *some* of the things that they are talking about actually make sense to me (cutting open a toothpaste tube to get the last bit not taking leftovers from other people's table at a restaurant).

Iím not convinced.  Somebody run the cost benefit analysis on the lost scissor longevity from cutting foil laminate

Obviously, you would use a tin snips for this, not your mom's best sewing scissors.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2474 on: March 24, 2020, 12:33:39 PM »
The guys are watching Extreme Cheapskates.  I have to keep my mouth shut because *some* of the things that they are talking about actually make sense to me (cutting open a toothpaste tube to get the last bit not taking leftovers from other people's table at a restaurant).

Iím not convinced.  Somebody run the cost benefit analysis on the lost scissor longevity from cutting foil laminate

Obviously, you would use a tin snips for this, not your mom's best sewing scissors.

Probably best to use your toothpaste snips no?

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2475 on: March 24, 2020, 12:46:39 PM »
The guys are watching Extreme Cheapskates.  I have to keep my mouth shut because *some* of the things that they are talking about actually make sense to me (cutting open a toothpaste tube to get the last bit not taking leftovers from other people's table at a restaurant).

Iím not convinced.  Somebody run the cost benefit analysis on the lost scissor longevity from cutting foil laminate

Obviously, you would use a tin snips for this, not your mom's best sewing scissors.
Nah we need to save those for our tin foil hats.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2476 on: March 24, 2020, 12:52:36 PM »
The guys are watching Extreme Cheapskates.  I have to keep my mouth shut because *some* of the things that they are talking about actually make sense to me (cutting open a toothpaste tube to get the last bit not taking leftovers from other people's table at a restaurant).

Iím not convinced.  Somebody run the cost benefit analysis on the lost scissor longevity from cutting foil laminate

Obviously, you would use a tin snips for this, not your mom's best sewing scissors.
Only after a thorough cleaning, right?

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2477 on: March 26, 2020, 08:34:41 PM »
Just finished a Town Hall on base and the question was raised "We have X housing units, and X assigned parking spaces. What do we do if we have two cars?"  The garrison commander responded (in the most polite tone possible) "We don't have a parking problem, we have a walking problem." He then listed off over 100 additional parking spaces within a block of the apartment towers.

From the same commander just an hour ago...

We're tightening movement on the base due to an outbreak this week. He did a video inside the commissary showing that we have plenty of stock inside, then went outside and did a video where he expressed the following:

https://www.facebook.com/usaghumphreys/videos/573728460019089/

"Buy. Don't shop."

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2478 on: March 27, 2020, 04:16:49 PM »
Just finished a Town Hall on base and the question was raised "We have X housing units, and X assigned parking spaces. What do we do if we have two cars?"  The garrison commander responded (in the most polite tone possible) "We don't have a parking problem, we have a walking problem." He then listed off over 100 additional parking spaces within a block of the apartment towers.

From the same commander just an hour ago...

We're tightening movement on the base due to an outbreak this week. He did a video inside the commissary showing that we have plenty of stock inside, then went outside and did a video where he expressed the following:

https://www.facebook.com/usaghumphreys/videos/573728460019089/

"Buy. Don't shop."

I like this guy, his delivery is spot on.
Thanks for sharing!

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2479 on: March 27, 2020, 04:27:36 PM »
Just finished a Town Hall on base and the question was raised "We have X housing units, and X assigned parking spaces. What do we do if we have two cars?"  The garrison commander responded (in the most polite tone possible) "We don't have a parking problem, we have a walking problem." He then listed off over 100 additional parking spaces within a block of the apartment towers.

From the same commander just an hour ago...

We're tightening movement on the base due to an outbreak this week. He did a video inside the commissary showing that we have plenty of stock inside, then went outside and did a video where he expressed the following:

https://www.facebook.com/usaghumphreys/videos/573728460019089/

"Buy. Don't shop."

I like this guy, his delivery is spot on.
Thanks for sharing!
OMG, me too! Love this guy! Keep 'em coming.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2480 on: April 03, 2020, 03:18:38 PM »
So I work for big state government and we're all wfh right now. Due to the start of the fiscal year falling on payday and the difficulty in the legislature passing a new budget while not being at the capital, our paychecks were 1 day late. I'm the second lowest paid person in my department and am an administrative assistant.

Most of the people in my office make in the high 5 or low 6 figures. Because I'm the admin assist I've been cc'd on all of the email with people raging about the fact that their paychecks were going to be a day late and how were they going to be able to pay their bills. I've worked with most of these people for 10 years. The majority have big homes and new cars, travel to cool places but can't make it with their paychecks one day late.

One of the supervisors reached out to me and asked me if I was going to be okay (which was very kind of them) but really didn't believe me that I'd be fine. I didn't have the heart to tell him that I could forgo my paycheck for the next 6 months without blinking an eye or having to sell stock. Our expenses are so low that our small emergency fund would last that long.

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« Reply #2481 on: April 03, 2020, 04:42:21 PM »
So I work for big state government and we're all wfh right now. Due to the start of the fiscal year falling on payday and the difficulty in the legislature passing a new budget while not being at the capital, our paychecks were 1 day late. I'm the second lowest paid person in my department and am an administrative assistant.

Most of the people in my office make in the high 5 or low 6 figures. Because I'm the admin assist I've been cc'd on all of the email with people raging about the fact that their paychecks were going to be a day late and how were they going to be able to pay their bills. I've worked with most of these people for 10 years. The majority have big homes and new cars, travel to cool places but can't make it with their paychecks one day late.

One of the supervisors reached out to me and asked me if I was going to be okay (which was very kind of them) but really didn't believe me that I'd be fine. I didn't have the heart to tell him that I could forgo my paycheck for the next 6 months without blinking an eye or having to sell stock. Our expenses are so low that our small emergency fund would last that long.

Then your colleagues really wouldnít survive my workplace, where your paycheck may arrive any time between the 20th and 31st of the month depending on how quickly the local bank and then the foreign bank processes your international wire transfer.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2482 on: April 03, 2020, 04:48:20 PM »
A couple months ago, a coworker was talking about how she was not able to afford masks for her family because she had no money. This was at the height of the epidemic in China. She also could not afford flights out of the country.

Yesterday, she was posting on social media about going all the way to the other side of the city (taking a taxi instead of public transportation of course, due to the virus), and dropping a lot of money on transformers and pizza.

Sigh, I guess some people donít learn from their mistakes.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2483 on: April 04, 2020, 12:28:57 PM »
The guys are watching Extreme Cheapskates.  I have to keep my mouth shut because *some* of the things that they are talking about actually make sense to me (cutting open a toothpaste tube to get the last bit not taking leftovers from other people's table at a restaurant).

Iím not convinced.  Somebody run the cost benefit analysis on the lost scissor longevity from cutting foil laminate

Obviously, you would use a tin snips for this, not your mom's best sewing scissors.
Only after a thorough cleaning, right?
What? The cost of cleaning supplies will consume any toothpaste savings!

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2484 on: April 05, 2020, 11:41:39 AM »
A close friend has an office/warehouse next to a place that scraps junk cars. He was talking to the scrapyard owner and noticed he had an old Mercedes Benz sitting on concrete blocks that was idling. Turns out the guy tuned the engine to burn the used engine oil he gets out of the cars he is going to scrap. He just lets that old Benz run 24/7/365 burning used engine oil.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2485 on: April 05, 2020, 12:16:45 PM »
A close friend has an office/warehouse next to a place that scraps junk cars. He was talking to the scrapyard owner and noticed he had an old Mercedes Benz sitting on concrete blocks that was idling. Turns out the guy tuned the engine to burn the used engine oil he gets out of the cars he is going to scrap. He just lets that old Benz run 24/7/365 burning used engine oil.
WTF?

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2486 on: April 05, 2020, 01:51:26 PM »
A close friend has an office/warehouse next to a place that scraps junk cars. He was talking to the scrapyard owner and noticed he had an old Mercedes Benz sitting on concrete blocks that was idling. Turns out the guy tuned the engine to burn the used engine oil he gets out of the cars he is going to scrap. He just lets that old Benz run 24/7/365 burning used engine oil.
You'd think there would be some small amount of money to be made, since used engine oil can be recycled and processed into all sorts of stuff, from new motor oil to fuel oil to gasoline, etc.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2487 on: April 05, 2020, 02:21:48 PM »
A close friend has an office/warehouse next to a place that scraps junk cars. He was talking to the scrapyard owner and noticed he had an old Mercedes Benz sitting on concrete blocks that was idling. Turns out the guy tuned the engine to burn the used engine oil he gets out of the cars he is going to scrap. He just lets that old Benz run 24/7/365 burning used engine oil.
You'd think there would be some small amount of money to be made, since used engine oil can be recycled and processed into all sorts of stuff, from new motor oil to fuel oil to gasoline, etc.
Find some backyard metal casters who run oil-based furnaces.  They are always on the look out for free oil.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2488 on: April 05, 2020, 05:13:30 PM »
A close friend has an office/warehouse next to a place that scraps junk cars. He was talking to the scrapyard owner and noticed he had an old Mercedes Benz sitting on concrete blocks that was idling. Turns out the guy tuned the engine to burn the used engine oil he gets out of the cars he is going to scrap. He just lets that old Benz run 24/7/365 burning used engine oil.
You'd think there would be some small amount of money to be made, since used engine oil can be recycled and processed into all sorts of stuff, from new motor oil to fuel oil to gasoline, etc.
1. mount alternators to the benz oil burner
2. run a battery and some inverters off it
3. set up a crypto mining rig!

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2489 on: April 06, 2020, 04:07:06 AM »
A close friend has an office/warehouse next to a place that scraps junk cars. He was talking to the scrapyard owner and noticed he had an old Mercedes Benz sitting on concrete blocks that was idling. Turns out the guy tuned the engine to burn the used engine oil he gets out of the cars he is going to scrap. He just lets that old Benz run 24/7/365 burning used engine oil.
Holy Shit!

How much would you wager that this is illegal in more than one way?

Also I guess he doesn't have any neighbors?

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2490 on: April 06, 2020, 07:24:46 AM »
I asked another buddy of mine who owns a car scrap yard in a different state what he does with his used oil - he saves all of it and heats his house and shop with it in the winter.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2491 on: April 17, 2020, 07:30:05 PM »
I asked another buddy of mine who owns a car scrap yard in a different state what he does with his used oil - he saves all of it and heats his house and shop with it in the winter.

Waste oil heat is pretty common here, but then heating oil (diesel) is common here as well.

Almost every jiffy-lube and shade-tree mechanic heats with waste oil.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2492 on: April 17, 2020, 09:57:55 PM »
I asked another buddy of mine who owns a car scrap yard in a different state what he does with his used oil - he saves all of it and heats his house and shop with it in the winter.

Waste oil heat is pretty common here, but then heating oil (diesel) is common here as well.

Almost every jiffy-lube and shade-tree mechanic heats with waste oil.

I make fries with it!

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2493 on: May 18, 2020, 02:23:29 AM »
"It's getting hot out. Can't ride my bike anymore."


Wait, what?

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2494 on: May 18, 2020, 05:01:13 PM »
"It's getting hot out. Can't ride my bike anymore."


Wait, what?

And in the winter itís too cold

And in the spring itís too rainy

And donít forget the windy windy fall time

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2495 on: May 18, 2020, 08:02:58 PM »
"It's getting hot out. Can't ride my bike anymore."


Wait, what?

And in the winter itís too cold

And in the spring itís too rainy

And donít forget the windy windy fall time

I absolutely hated riding my bike during winter. I need a quality face mask that can easily come off when I get to the gate guard.  Except for the rains, the weather is awesome right now.  I have to admit to driving today though. I have to drive my car once a week to keep the battery from dying, and today's rainy day seemed appropriate.  With the virus restricting the number of gates we've had open, riding my bike has been two or three times faster than driving because I get to use a separate entrance.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2496 on: May 18, 2020, 08:14:43 PM »
"It's getting hot out. Can't ride my bike anymore."


Wait, what?

And in the winter itís too cold

And in the spring itís too rainy

And donít forget the windy windy fall time

I absolutely hated riding my bike during winter. I need a quality face mask that can easily come off when I get to the gate guard.  Except for the rains, the weather is awesome right now.  I have to admit to driving today though. I have to drive my car once a week to keep the battery from dying, and today's rainy day seemed appropriate.  With the virus restricting the number of gates we've had open, riding my bike has been two or three times faster than driving because I get to use a separate entrance.

I got a neoprene mask to wear when riding my motorcycle years ago. I haven't actually tried it on the bike (I'm one of those lazy bums who only ride when the weather is pleasant), but I bet it'd work well enough.

Mine is only for half the face, but something like this on Amazon would probably be perfect.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2497 on: May 18, 2020, 08:38:58 PM »
"It's getting hot out. Can't ride my bike anymore."


Wait, what?

And in the winter itís too cold

And in the spring itís too rainy

And donít forget the windy windy fall time

I absolutely hated riding my bike during winter. I need a quality face mask that can easily come off when I get to the gate guard.  Except for the rains, the weather is awesome right now.  I have to admit to driving today though. I have to drive my car once a week to keep the battery from dying, and today's rainy day seemed appropriate.  With the virus restricting the number of gates we've had open, riding my bike has been two or three times faster than driving because I get to use a separate entrance.

I got a neoprene mask to wear when riding my motorcycle years ago. I haven't actually tried it on the bike (I'm one of those lazy bums who only ride when the weather is pleasant), but I bet it'd work well enough.

Mine is only for half the face, but something like this on Amazon would probably be perfect.

I have a cheap wool balaclava that barely keeps me warm and my nose just soaks the front of it by the time I get to my destination. If that thing is breathable and keeps my nose from running I'll jump right on it.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2498 on: May 19, 2020, 04:59:59 AM »
"It's getting hot out. Can't ride my bike anymore."


Wait, what?

And in the winter itís too cold

And in the spring itís too rainy

And donít forget the windy windy fall time

I absolutely hated riding my bike during winter. I need a quality face mask that can easily come off when I get to the gate guard.  Except for the rains, the weather is awesome right now.  I have to admit to driving today though. I have to drive my car once a week to keep the battery from dying, and today's rainy day seemed appropriate.  With the virus restricting the number of gates we've had open, riding my bike has been two or three times faster than driving because I get to use a separate entrance.

I got a neoprene mask to wear when riding my motorcycle years ago. I haven't actually tried it on the bike (I'm one of those lazy bums who only ride when the weather is pleasant), but I bet it'd work well enough.

Mine is only for half the face, but something like this on Amazon would probably be perfect.

I have a cheap wool balaclava that barely keeps me warm and my nose just soaks the front of it by the time I get to my destination. If that thing is breathable and keeps my nose from running I'll jump right on it.

I don't remember my nose running, but my sunglasses did often fog up when I wasn't moving with my current one. I ended up holding my breath at red lights and stop signs.

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Re: Overheard at Work 2
« Reply #2499 on: May 19, 2020, 09:05:56 AM »
Most people that I work with have no idea the basic way that investing in a 401k or investing in general works. Here is the short version of the conversation the other day.

Co-worker: I got out after losing 5k in March and no longer put anything into my 401k.
Me: I stayed in, kept my paycheck 401k deduction the same, and I am back up to where I was before the market started to tank in late Feb.