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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #750 on: January 30, 2018, 06:46:12 PM »

oh ye gads that is horrible :/ I'm so sorry. A few people I know are into MLMs and have signed up as consultants but none of them pushed their MLM on me when I was going through medical tests and treatment.

An old friend who sells some kind of shake contacted me when I was being treated for vaginal cancer to ask if I had tried raw vegetables.

1.  I already have cancer.  I think it's a bit late for that.
2.  I was having a bad day, and I will admit my answer was not up to my usual level of courtesy.  I asked if I needed to puree the vegetables before putting them in my vagina.

(translation:  fuck off)

I'm sorry you were subjected to that idiocy, but glad for your response. A few months ago I had a similarly crude exchange with a MLM-peddling relative about why her supplements and smoothies wouldn't be helpful in halting an epic IBD flare. It had to be explained to her in rather graphic terms why eating extra vegetables wasn't going to curtail my rapid 40 lb. weight loss, malabsorption, and repeated trips to the hospital for dehydration and hypokalemia.

This same relative is constantly posting stuff on Facebook about how she's never been healthier than since she started using the products she sells. These posts end with appeals to message her if you're interested in beginning your journey into health. Meanwhile, her family knows that she's frequently sick, often for long stretches at a time, because "wellness" gurus have convinced her that illness is essentially a choice you make. So in her mind, she's healthy as long as she believes she is. It leads to fun adventures like a simple case of strep throat spiraling out of control because she distrusts her PCP when he tries to prescribe antibiotics.
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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #751 on: January 31, 2018, 02:39:40 AM »
I am certain that was sarcasm.
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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #752 on: January 31, 2018, 07:05:05 AM »
I am certain that was sarcasm.
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« Reply #753 on: January 31, 2018, 07:46:25 AM »
I didn't think a sarcasm note was needed for this thread, where those topics have been rehashed so many times.  I don't think I could have gotten more obvious.

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« Reply #754 on: January 31, 2018, 08:55:39 AM »
Gotta love being part of an MLM that competes with its own product in brick and mortar stores too. Similar to the Subway franchise stories. Too many stores in a small area so they end up competing with each other. Parent company makes much of its money selling franchises so they want to open more stores.

So will we ever see the collapse of retail b/c there are simply too many places to buy the same things including online?

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« Reply #755 on: January 31, 2018, 06:25:25 PM »
I didn't think a sarcasm note was needed for this thread, where those topics have been rehashed so many times.  I don't think I could have gotten more obvious.


You couldn't have.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #756 on: February 01, 2018, 11:57:25 PM »
Has anyone else been asked out for coffee by a friend and think hey it would be good to catch up only for them to open their ipad/laptop and show you a video on why you should join Dreamtrips/World Ventures and then try to convince you it's not MLM? Happened to me twice. So annoying. I really thought they wanted to catch up. Sigh.
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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #757 on: February 02, 2018, 07:11:02 AM »
Jumping in here without reading the thread fully (the shame)...

My entire FB feed right now is people pimping out their MLMs. Some people are really good at selling/promoting their product. (I don't mind when people share their own good results with a product, and invite people to come check out their business page). Some people are awful. One girl I know is doing some diet/shake MLM..unsure of the product name because she spends most of her time saying things "People get annoyed with me and say this is expensive, but it really isn't that expensive, it is worth it for your health!" WHAT IS "THIS"?? HOW DO I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE PROMOTING??? I had one lady that I used to work with do a group message of ALL of her contacts, no lead in, no product info just "I'm having a fb party for X, let me know if you want in!" I tried to google X and couldn't find anything...pretty sure she misspelled her own product name!

My other MLM story is for a brief moment in time I was a Mary Kay Consultant. I had just finished my engineering degree, was having trouble finding work and was bored out of my tree. I got sucked into a party, then ordered enough product that they convinced me it was a better "deal" to become a consultant. I was a sucker for people telling me I would do a good job at it...and got totally roped in. (Important to note, I'm not a very "girly" person. I barely wear make-up, I'm an engineer who has spent a good chuck of my career wearing coveralls and respirators and steel toe boots.)  I spent (as a unemployed new grad) $800 on the starter kit and a basic stock pile and was told I would sell out SO QUICKLY. I started going to the weekly regional meetings, and learned how to be a proper consultant. Very quickly I realized this was not for me, but kept going because I was enthralled with seeing this cult like organization take advantage of women.

Some highlights:
-We got points at each meeting depending on how much we were representing the brand. Criteria included: Wearing a dress or skirt (pants are a STILL a NO-NO in MK world), having hair/nails/makeup perfect. Having a clean car. (I failed then, I would 100% fail now.) I get that this is an image/makeup company, but the level of "being a lady" was insane. We were taught how to sit properly, and shake hands "like a lady"...it was finishing school disguised as career advice.
-Senior consultants get % of stock purchases of their jrs (woo pyramid scheme). They really give two flying fs about your own sales, and push buying more stock. They "reward" people who have big purchases with quarterly prizes, like diamond rings. I overheard one woman say she was so excited to get her ring that quarter, but now had to figure out what to do with the $4000 worth of stock, and the debt on her credit card.
- The level of effort for a jr consultant is insane. You spend HOURS making your own promotional material, finding clients, setting up parties etc. An amazing party would maybe make $300. If you dollar cost average it you are looking at minimum wage MAX. But hey "I'm my own boss!!" ..blech.
- The rhetoric is that Mary Kay was built by a woman who was sick and tired of gender biases in the 1960s. She wanted a company to empower women. The meetings are all about girl power, and PINK power, and being a lady..and taking charge of your own life. When I was a consultant in 2011, the board of directors and executive team were mostly men. No one brought that up at the weekly meetings!  (It has changed now, a little more diverse, but the president, CEO and 4/5 of the key executives are still men).

I also had a really hard time selling products to people who really couldn't afford the products. I did two parties in my time, one for other new grads like myself who had student debt and NO MONEY...how am I suppose to promote a $35 lipstick!  Next party was in a rural area with a bunch of high school students and their moms. Not to judge, but for sure these families should not have been buying expensive makeup and skin care. Between gas money and travel costs to get to that party, I think my "net" was $3.25. So not worth it!!

Luckily I moved away from the city I hand been doing this in and used the move as an excuse to break free! I'm laughing now if I had stuck with it for a little while longer, and ran into a meeting after a day of site work, sweaty, hair in a messy ponytail, wearing work coveralls...I would have been kicked out.

I 100% gifted away or used the starter kit products myself. So really over the past 7 years I've spent $800 on makeup and skin care...could have been a worse loss :P.

TL;DR, was a MLM consultant. Don't do it..its a trap.






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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #758 on: February 02, 2018, 07:25:22 AM »
Meanwhile, her family knows that she's frequently sick, often for long stretches at a time, because "wellness" gurus have convinced her that illness is essentially a choice you make. So in her mind, she's healthy as long as she believes she is. It leads to fun adventures like a simple case of strep throat spiraling out of control because she distrusts her PCP when he tries to prescribe antibiotics.

My cousin had a similar mindset. By the time she went into the emergency room, her mysterious long-lived pain was revealed as cancer that had already metastasized.

After her diagnosis, she spent months ignoring her oncologist, eating "magic" fruit of some kind and using crystals to "cure" herself. Needless to say, she ended up begging her oncologist to perform surgery and start the chemo and radiation. By that point it was too late, her body was too weak to survive surgery, and she had to go into hospice care. She was 54 when she died.

"Alternative medicine" and the MLMs that push it really do kill people.

<s> But you know, doctors are just in it for the money. </s>

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #759 on: February 02, 2018, 07:25:26 AM »
Has anyone else been asked out for coffee by a friend and think hey it would be good to catch up only for them to open their ipad/laptop and show you a video on why you should join Dreamtrips/World Ventures and then try to convince you it's not MLM? Happened to me twice. So annoying. I really thought they wanted to catch up. Sigh.


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« Reply #760 on: February 02, 2018, 09:07:35 AM »
Meanwhile, her family knows that she's frequently sick, often for long stretches at a time, because "wellness" gurus have convinced her that illness is essentially a choice you make. So in her mind, she's healthy as long as she believes she is. It leads to fun adventures like a simple case of strep throat spiraling out of control because she distrusts her PCP when he tries to prescribe antibiotics.

My cousin had a similar mindset. By the time she went into the emergency room, her mysterious long-lived pain was revealed as cancer that had already metastasized.

After her diagnosis, she spent months ignoring her oncologist, eating "magic" fruit of some kind and using crystals to "cure" herself. Needless to say, she ended up begging her oncologist to perform surgery and start the chemo and radiation. By that point it was too late, her body was too weak to survive surgery, and she had to go into hospice care. She was 54 when she died.

"Alternative medicine" and the MLMs that push it really do kill people.

<s> But you know, doctors are just in it for the money. </s>

I had a friend do this. She had breast cancer, went through chemo and it was awful (as chemo always is), but she came out with the cancer in remission. It was that way for years. A few years later when the cancer came back she passed on chemo because it was so bad and was convinced that anti-oxidants and clean eating and crystals would do better with fewer side effects. She was 50 when she died.

Granted, I will acknowledge that chemo and radiation are hell and it can make sense to skip them if it's a pallative or short-term gain scenario. (Trade quantity of life for quality.) But that requires that the patient is honest with themselves.

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« Reply #761 on: February 02, 2018, 04:44:37 PM »
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- The rhetoric is that Mary Kay was built by a woman who was sick and tired of gender biases in the 1960s. She wanted a company to empower women. The meetings are all about girl power, and PINK power, and being a lady..and taking charge of your own life. When I was a consultant in 2011, the board of directors and executive team were mostly men. No one brought that up at the weekly meetings!  (It has changed now, a little more diverse, but the president, CEO and 4/5 of the key executives are still men).

I also had a really hard time selling products to people who really couldn't afford the products. I did two parties in my time, one for other new grads like myself who had student debt and NO MONEY...how am I suppose to promote a $35 lipstick!  Next party was in a rural area with a bunch of high school students and their moms. Not to judge, but for sure these families should not have been buying expensive makeup and skin care. Between gas money and travel costs to get to that party, I think my "net" was $3.25. So not worth it!!

Luckily I moved away from the city I hand been doing this in and used the move as an excuse to break free! I'm laughing now if I had stuck with it for a little while longer, and ran into a meeting after a day of site work, sweaty, hair in a messy ponytail, wearing work coveralls...I would have been kicked out.

Girl POWER!  Looking pretty!!

As I sit at my desk in engineering land, hair in a ponytail.  Graying, of course, wrinkles and pimples.  No makeup (being 47 is GRAND).  Jeans, sneakers and t shirt and a hoodie.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #762 on: February 03, 2018, 04:44:03 AM »
Girl POWER!  Looking pretty!!

As I sit at my desk in engineering land, hair in a ponytail.  Graying, of course, wrinkles and pimples.  No makeup (being 47 is GRAND).  Jeans, sneakers and t shirt and a hoodie.

Love it!  I've been approached by well-meaning MLM'ers for offers of 'makeovers', because of course I 'NEED' makeup to 'look and feel my best'.  Meh, I 'look and feel' my best without war-paint, tyvm!

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #763 on: February 03, 2018, 05:11:39 AM »
Meanwhile, her family knows that she's frequently sick, often for long stretches at a time, because "wellness" gurus have convinced her that illness is essentially a choice you make. So in her mind, she's healthy as long as she believes she is. It leads to fun adventures like a simple case of strep throat spiraling out of control because she distrusts her PCP when he tries to prescribe antibiotics.

My cousin had a similar mindset. By the time she went into the emergency room, her mysterious long-lived pain was revealed as cancer that had already metastasized.

After her diagnosis, she spent months ignoring her oncologist, eating "magic" fruit of some kind and using crystals to "cure" herself. Needless to say, she ended up begging her oncologist to perform surgery and start the chemo and radiation. By that point it was too late, her body was too weak to survive surgery, and she had to go into hospice care. She was 54 when she died.

"Alternative medicine" and the MLMs that push it really do kill people.

<s> But you know, doctors are just in it for the money. </s>

I'm so sorry for your loss.  That story is just so sad. 

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« Reply #764 on: February 03, 2018, 09:35:24 AM »
Girl POWER!  Looking pretty!!

As I sit at my desk in engineering land, hair in a ponytail.  Graying, of course, wrinkles and pimples.  No makeup (being 47 is GRAND).  Jeans, sneakers and t shirt and a hoodie.

Love it!  I've been approached by well-meaning MLM'ers for offers of 'makeovers', because of course I 'NEED' makeup to 'look and feel my best'.  Meh, I 'look and feel' my best without war-paint, tyvm!

I hated that face grease even when I was younger. The chemistry of my skin is a bit different and makeup tends to flake or melt off almost immediately when it isn't causing cystic acne. I found that when I went completely without makeup as a teen my complexion improved. So I tossed the face grease and never looked back. The thought that I was saving a ton of money never crossed my mind at the time-- I didn't notice the double-X chromosome tax until someone pointed it out to me-- but in retrospect I suppose I saved a bundle.
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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #765 on: February 03, 2018, 02:17:16 PM »
I'm so sorry for your loss.  That story is just so sad.

Thanks. It's been a decade, so the family has had time to heal or paper over the feelings of guilt, depending on who it is. I've just maintained a virulent intolerance toward alternative "medicine", though I try to not froth at the mouth excessively.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #766 on: February 05, 2018, 08:12:41 AM »
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This same relative is constantly posting stuff on Facebook about how she's never been healthier than since she started using the products she sells. These posts end with appeals to message her if you're interested in beginning your journey into health. Meanwhile, her family knows that she's frequently sick, often for long stretches at a time, because "wellness" gurus have convinced her that illness is essentially a choice you make. So in her mind, she's healthy as long as she believes she is. ...
Ugh, I have a friend like this.  She calls herself a "wellness advocate" for her MLM and has been doing it for years.  Yet, her husband is still one of the unhealthiest people I know.  Obese, no exercise, etc, and I think it's only gotten worse since she started her business.  If her own family isn't influenced by her "wellness" efforts, what can it possibly do for someone else?

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« Reply #767 on: February 05, 2018, 10:14:46 AM »
Girl POWER!  Looking pretty!!

As I sit at my desk in engineering land, hair in a ponytail.  Graying, of course, wrinkles and pimples.  No makeup (being 47 is GRAND).  Jeans, sneakers and t shirt and a hoodie.

Female engineers unite! Jeans, sneakers, t-shirt, natural-going-gray hair, no makeup here. Although, I am wearing earrings today...fancy. If I wear makeup or nicer clothes to work it makes the male engineers nervous and concerned that I'm interviewing. I discovered that last year when I dressed nicely to attend a funeral midday. :(

I have a friend who I really like who just got sucked into an MLM, Arbonne? I think it's one of those diet/"wellness" ones. Sigh. It has been awhile since I've come across one IRL. I hope it's short lived.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #768 on: February 05, 2018, 10:25:57 AM »
Every time I have an old friend who I haven't seen in years who wants to come over to "catch up" it's been a MLM. EVERY TIME.

Life Leadership was the worst. "You don't want to be rich and successful??" NO.

The only time I would sell something to a personal friend is if I had a no-nonsense business like Ron Swanson's Very Good Building and Construction.

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« Reply #769 on: February 05, 2018, 12:34:37 PM »
I have a friend who I really like who just got sucked into an MLM, Arbonne? I think it's one of those diet/"wellness" ones. Sigh. It has been awhile since I've come across one IRL. I hope it's short lived.

DW is an Arbonne distributor, but doesn't actually use it for anything other than getting a discount on stuff for our household.  I like the basic products (moisturizer, aftershave, etc.); she likes them more.  They are kind of spendy, depending on your definition of spendy, but people are particular about health and beauty products, so ....

There is definitely stuff in their catalogue that is nutty woo-woo and really overpriced.  And if you are unlucky enough to really drink the Kool-Aid, then you'll get the typical high-pressure MLM tactics.  So far she's avoided all that.  Knock on wood.

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« Reply #770 on: February 05, 2018, 03:20:12 PM »
Life Leadership was the worst. "You don't want to be rich and successful??" NO. YES. That's why I'm not throwing any money away on Life Leadership.

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« Reply #771 on: February 05, 2018, 04:02:16 PM »
I have a friend who I really like who just got sucked into an MLM, Arbonne? I think it's one of those diet/"wellness" ones. Sigh. It has been awhile since I've come across one IRL. I hope it's short lived.

DW is an Arbonne distributor, but doesn't actually use it for anything other than getting a discount on stuff for our household.  I like the basic products (moisturizer, aftershave, etc.); she likes them more.  They are kind of spendy, depending on your definition of spendy, but people are particular about health and beauty products, so ....

There is definitely stuff in their catalogue that is nutty woo-woo and really overpriced.  And if you are unlucky enough to really drink the Kool-Aid, then you'll get the typical high-pressure MLM tactics.  So far she's avoided all that.  Knock on wood.

My wife used to purchase Arbonne (and a couple of other MLM) products because she liked them. 
After learning how deceptive, immoral, and unethical the MLM companies are, we refuse to purchase their products.  Some people say that MLMs are pyramid schemes.  I think they are worse.  (90% of those in Pyramid schemes lose money.  99% of MLMers lose money.)  We will spend twice as much on a product from a non-MLM company, rather than purchase products produced by MLMs.  (For example, instead of Young Living EOs, we've have bought Living Libations, as well as others that don't cost quite that much!)

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« Reply #772 on: February 05, 2018, 05:32:37 PM »
Girl POWER!  Looking pretty!!

As I sit at my desk in engineering land, hair in a ponytail.  Graying, of course, wrinkles and pimples.  No makeup (being 47 is GRAND).  Jeans, sneakers and t shirt and a hoodie.

Female engineers unite! Jeans, sneakers, t-shirt, natural-going-gray hair, no makeup here. Although, I am wearing earrings today...fancy. If I wear makeup or nicer clothes to work it makes the male engineers nervous and concerned that I'm interviewing. I discovered that last year when I dressed nicely to attend a funeral midday. :(

I have a friend who I really like who just got sucked into an MLM, Arbonne? I think it's one of those diet/"wellness" ones. Sigh. It has been awhile since I've come across one IRL. I hope it's short lived.
Yes.  I gave up wheat and lost just enough weight that none of my jeans fit except the holey ones.  So I pulled out a couple of pairs of old dress pants. Oh boy do I get the looks and the questions.  There were definitely interview concerns, but hey, worked in my favor.

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« Reply #773 on: February 05, 2018, 10:12:57 PM »
Girl POWER!  Looking pretty!!

As I sit at my desk in engineering land, hair in a ponytail.  Graying, of course, wrinkles and pimples.  No makeup (being 47 is GRAND).  Jeans, sneakers and t shirt and a hoodie.

Female engineers unite! Jeans, sneakers, t-shirt, natural-going-gray hair, no makeup here. Although, I am wearing earrings today...fancy. If I wear makeup or nicer clothes to work it makes the male engineers nervous and concerned that I'm interviewing. I discovered that last year when I dressed nicely to attend a funeral midday. :(

I have a friend who I really like who just got sucked into an MLM, Arbonne? I think it's one of those diet/"wellness" ones. Sigh. It has been awhile since I've come across one IRL. I hope it's short lived.
Yes.  I gave up wheat and lost just enough weight that none of my jeans fit except the holey ones.  So I pulled out a couple of pairs of old dress pants. Oh boy do I get the looks and the questions.  There were definitely interview concerns, but hey, worked in my favor.


I'm sure there will be much fear that I'm interviewing if I ever again wear anything to work besides cargo pants and either hiking boots or combat boots. Seems unlikely, unless, you know, I have a job interview. The college president has seen my combat boots now, so no reason to dress up for a meeting.

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« Reply #778 on: February 15, 2018, 02:46:30 PM »
Yesterday on my local community FB page, a woman posted about Avon. I hid her from my feed. Today a different woman posted about youngevity. She started her post with a negative comment towards Avon. I hid her as well. Not only is she deluded but she's a bully as well. Sad and pathetic.

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« Reply #779 on: February 15, 2018, 02:57:31 PM »
I actually got pitched last week by a friend on a MLM scheme, in which the plan is selling Financial Advisory services and yes...Annuities....double ug!  Heaps of money to be made, iif I only advise others to follow investments I woukd never advise myself...

My reply was that the proposal sounded like work...and that I had retired to stop working.
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« Reply #780 on: February 18, 2018, 10:28:40 PM »
Yesterday on my local community FB page, a woman posted about Avon. I hid her from my feed. Today a different woman posted about youngevity. She started her post with a negative comment towards Avon. I hid her as well. Not only is she deluded but she's a bully as well. Sad and pathetic.

You won't have to endure that for much longer.

Avon has announced it's pulling out of Australia by the end of the year.

Enter horde of angry "entrepreneurs".


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« Reply #781 on: February 19, 2018, 08:17:19 AM »
Saw a MLM post about how MLM company was profiled in Forbes. Post quoted the article, but didn't link to it, which I thought was kinda weird.

Well, turns out, the Forbes article is pretty blunt about it being a pyramid scheme:
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Getting on board with business kits whose costs range from about $400 to $1,000, the dream is of big riches through direct sales and recruiting more distributors, or consultants, as the company calls them -- the classic pyramid model of multi-level marketing companies in which the recruiter gets a slice of the sales of those who they sign up.

It doesn't happen for most. According to a company disclosure statement, the average annualized income for active [MLM co] distributors for sales in 2015 was $3,182, with entry-level consultants making an average of $790.

It then goes on to tell the story of one "top" distributor who "earned" a Lexus. Sounds like a really, really awesome salesperson, until you realize that it's a lease worth maybe $400/month.

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« Reply #782 on: February 19, 2018, 12:58:36 PM »
I was invited to a local business networking facebook group that does events a couple times a month, I happily accepted. After going through the posts for the last few months, it's all people begging for $xx in sales so that they can still be a 'consultant' for whatever MLM. It appears that there are a few realtors, a coffee stand owner, myself and maybe one other person in there that are stand alone businesses. I was trying to explain it to my husband, but it annoys me so much when these people go on and go about being an entrepreneur and being their own boss etc. etc. They don't own a business! And don't get me started on the #momboss #momtrepeuer #girlboss nonsense. There is no reason to gender a non-gendered word.

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« Reply #783 on: February 19, 2018, 05:13:12 PM »

It then goes on to tell the story of one "top" distributor who "earned" a Lexus. Sounds like a really, really awesome salesperson, until you realize that it's a lease worth maybe $400/month.

On top of that, the second they fall below their quota, they are stuck with the car payments themselves.

I met a guy at training (for our real jobs), and he ended up telling me about how his wife was doing an MLM, got the car, and then all her business tanked because so many people started selling the same thing. Now he has that car payment to add to all the other bills, while supporting a family of 4 or 5 kids. I could tell it was a big sore spot for him.

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« Reply #784 on: February 19, 2018, 11:07:28 PM »
Saw a MLM post about how MLM company was profiled in Forbes. Post quoted the article, but didn't link to it, which I thought was kinda weird.

That is a curious PR move from the company.

We've been featured in Forbes! They portrayed us as the scam artists and shonks we are, but we just won't tell people that bit.

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« Reply #785 on: February 20, 2018, 01:03:24 AM »
Yesterday on my local community FB page, a woman posted about Avon. I hid her from my feed. Today a different woman posted about youngevity. She started her post with a negative comment towards Avon. I hid her as well. Not only is she deluded but she's a bully as well. Sad and pathetic.

You won't have to endure that for much longer.

Avon has announced it's pulling out of Australia by the end of the year.

Enter horde of angry "entrepreneurs".

I had another post today from a different lady. Get your stock now before it's all gone! Contact me!

One down.  689250652 more to go.

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« Reply #786 on: February 20, 2018, 02:24:30 AM »
There is no reason to gender a non-gendered word.

In the original French the word 'entrepreneur' is of course a gendered word. The feminine (though I've never seen it used in French) would be l'entrepreneuse.

Funny that there was no concept for this in English and they had to borrow a French word for it.

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« Reply #787 on: February 20, 2018, 06:51:49 AM »
In the original French the word 'entrepreneur' is of course a gendered word. The feminine (though I've never seen it used in French) would be l'entrepreneuse.

Funny that there was no concept for this in English and they had to borrow a French word for it.

It's gendered because French nouns are all gendered, which you know since you said "of course" a gendered word.

But I agree, it's totally crazy how England had no concept of things like entrepreneurship or joy or justice or melody or beef or eagles before 1066.

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« Reply #788 on: February 20, 2018, 07:53:56 AM »
In the original French the word 'entrepreneur' is of course a gendered word. The feminine (though I've never seen it used in French) would be l'entrepreneuse.

Funny that there was no concept for this in English and they had to borrow a French word for it.

It's gendered because French nouns are all gendered, which you know since you said "of course" a gendered word.

But I agree, it's totally crazy how England had no concept of things like entrepreneurship or joy or justice or melody or beef or eagles before 1066.

This is like seeing a very small reenactment.
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« Reply #789 on: February 20, 2018, 08:20:03 AM »
In the original French the word 'entrepreneur' is of course a gendered word. The feminine (though I've never seen it used in French) would be l'entrepreneuse.

Funny that there was no concept for this in English and they had to borrow a French word for it.
But I agree, it's totally crazy how England had no concept of things like entrepreneurship or joy or justice or melody or beef or eagles before 1066.

I was more poking fun at George Dubya Bush who claimed that the French language had no concept of entrepreneurship

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« Reply #790 on: February 20, 2018, 09:38:55 AM »
I was more poking fun at George Dubya Bush who claimed that the French language had no concept of entrepreneurship

https://www.snopes.com/quotes/bush.asp

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« Reply #791 on: February 20, 2018, 10:17:39 AM »
I was more poking fun at George Dubya Bush who claimed that the French language had no concept of entrepreneurship

https://www.snopes.com/quotes/bush.asp

It's still a good story and has the sound of truth...

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #792 on: February 20, 2018, 11:45:23 AM »
I was more poking fun at George Dubya Bush who claimed that the French language had no concept of entrepreneurship

https://www.snopes.com/quotes/bush.asp

It's still a good story and has the sound of truth...

But it isn't. Either you didn't know or you lied intentionally. Either way, doubling down after learning the truth is wonderfully appropriate in a MLM thread.
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« Reply #793 on: February 20, 2018, 01:15:55 PM »
Yesterday on my local community FB page, a woman posted about Avon. I hid her from my feed. Today a different woman posted about youngevity. She started her post with a negative comment towards Avon. I hid her as well. Not only is she deluded but she's a bully as well. Sad and pathetic.

You won't have to endure that for much longer.

Avon has announced it's pulling out of Australia by the end of the year.

Enter horde of angry "entrepreneurs".

I had another post today from a different lady. Get your stock now before it's all gone! Contact me!

One down.  689250652 more to go.

What is "contact me" lady's role in this scenario? A last minute emptying of their Aussie warehouse or offloading her own stuff?
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« Reply #794 on: February 20, 2018, 07:35:38 PM »
Yesterday on my local community FB page, a woman posted about Avon. I hid her from my feed. Today a different woman posted about youngevity. She started her post with a negative comment towards Avon. I hid her as well. Not only is she deluded but she's a bully as well. Sad and pathetic.

You won't have to endure that for much longer.

Avon has announced it's pulling out of Australia by the end of the year.

Enter horde of angry "entrepreneurs".

I had another post today from a different lady. Get your stock now before it's all gone! Contact me!

One down.  689250652 more to go.

What is "contact me" lady's role in this scenario? A last minute emptying of their Aussie warehouse or offloading her own stuff?

She was trying to get downlines to set up online stores believe it or not. She only posted in the comments that it was closing down.

Her post:
"Do you like, Fashion Jewellery, Homewares, Makeup and skin products? Work your own hours. Show brochures to family friends and work mates. Get your own online store and sell to anyone you know all over Australia. Contact me emailaddress"
And the comment:
"Avon in Australia is closing for good. Join up now and buy your products in bulk before they close. Contact me."

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« Reply #795 on: March 26, 2018, 07:49:19 AM »
I read through this thread on my lunch breaks a few weeks ago and was entertained (and aghast at the levels this stuff goes to).

Since I finished I now have an old acquaintance on FB who is a Younique consultant and posts ALL. THE. TIME. And it is like it was taken word for word out of this thread.

But I thought this post would be enjoyed here:

Know someone building a business on Social Media?

Don't be annoyed by their posts...
Instead:
- Hit Like 👍🏼
- Ask a question 🤔
- Make a positive comment ❤
- Maybe even share it 📲
Even if you aren't interested, someone you know may be. You don't have to spend to support your friends!

We're all working hard for a number of different reasons!

Support the "little guy".
Support the "under dog" who is just trying to build a good life.

We appreciate the interaction! It helps us build and grow. We thank you!

Post your business in the comments. 👇🏼

I've got Younique ❤

#Repost

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« Reply #796 on: March 26, 2018, 11:29:17 AM »
I read through this thread on my lunch breaks a few weeks ago and was entertained (and aghast at the levels this stuff goes to).

Since I finished I now have an old acquaintance on FB who is a Younique consultant and posts ALL. THE. TIME. And it is like it was taken word for word out of this thread.

But I thought this post would be enjoyed here:

Know someone building a business on Social Media?

Don't be annoyed by their posts...
Instead:
- Hit Like 👍🏼
- Ask a question 🤔
- Make a positive comment ❤
- Maybe even share it 📲
Even if you aren't interested, someone you know may be. You don't have to spend to support your friends!

We're all working hard for a number of different reasons!

Support the "little guy".
Support the "under dog" who is just trying to build a good life.

We appreciate the interaction! It helps us build and grow. We thank you!

Post your business in the comments. 👇🏼

I've got Younique ❤

#Repost

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You have to give her credit for the effort, underhanded as it may be.
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« Reply #797 on: March 26, 2018, 11:56:35 AM »
I love when this thread gets bumped up :)

My FB feed is fairly free of MLM stuff.  I do have one lady that does Shakeology, and would prefer if I didn't feel like a pm is trying to lead to a sale (we pm about other stuff, she was my son's first daycare lady, I work with her husband, we've always known each other, but every now and then it drifts to "do you want to try/join..." stuff, and I have to explain that I'm still not interested).

Another friend has joined the Lipsense nonsense, but she doesn't post much about it, so that's good.

I do love that "don't get annoyed by me, just share my stuff so you can help me annoy someone else!" attitude in the above post though.

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« Reply #798 on: March 26, 2018, 12:38:50 PM »
I got a friend request recently from someone who I barely know (although we have several mutual friends) who is pitching an MLM; I think it's Shakeology? I've been posting about running lately because I'm training for a half marathon and hiking Mt. Whitney this summer (permit acquired, yes!!) and she messaged me about her "fitness program". At least she hasn't been pushy when I didn't fill out her "questionnaire for more information." I swear though, everywhere I look there's someone else on yet another MLM. Ugh.

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« Reply #799 on: March 26, 2018, 05:01:18 PM »
I got a friend request recently from someone who I barely know (although we have several mutual friends) who is pitching an MLM; I think it's Shakeology? I've been posting about running lately because I'm training for a half marathon and hiking Mt. Whitney this summer (permit acquired, yes!!) and she messaged me about her "fitness program". At least she hasn't been pushy when I didn't fill out her "questionnaire for more information." I swear though, everywhere I look there's someone else on yet another MLM. Ugh.
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But shakeology.  I know it's how they make their money, and word of mouth of "coaches".  But seriously.