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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #900 on: June 19, 2018, 09:40:04 AM »
It is so disappointing. A friend who i have not seen in a while, texts me last week wanting to know if want to hang out this Thursday. I say  "Yeah, that sounds awesome." She then replies she is having "a couple of people over" to talk about Arbonne. Dang, how do I get out of it now??

"Sorry, I'm not interested in Arbonne. If you ever want to just hang out sometime, that would be awesome."

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« Reply #901 on: August 21, 2018, 11:08:43 PM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/herbalife-distributors-claim-in-dollar1b-suit-that-events-were-a-sham/ar-BBMdWtk?OCID=ansmsnnews11

"MLM distributors shocked to discover their MLM is exactly like every other MLM their annoying friends warned them about."

Fixed it for you.

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Herbalife's website says it has about 8,300 employees worldwide and about 2.3 million distributors.

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Los Angeles-based Herbalife, a publicly traded company with 2017 net sales of $4.4 billion

Herbalife has a profit margin of 80%.  So my public school math tells me that 2.3 million people grossed $5.28 billion which means each distributor averages $2300 a year in sales.  Somehow I don't think the distributors are seeing even that much staying in their pockets at the end of the year.
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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #902 on: September 09, 2018, 07:07:09 AM »
Apparently there really is a MLM for everything.... Saw some information online about a CBD Oil MLM.  I guess depending on your state you could become one of those big money success stories.

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« Reply #903 on: September 10, 2018, 01:46:35 PM »
There's a relatively new one for bedding now too!  Of course, it's incredibly overpriced, and I'm not sure how many people buy sheets that often to even warrant this model.  Then again, there's the MLM that sells toilet paper, and I wouldn't waste my money on the overpriced auto ship feature either.  Or the MLM that sells Maxi Pads, and is often shilled by men?  Don't want to know what that's about!

I think the newest one to market is called Crunchi, and they sell "chemical free" makeup.  My guess is they are trying to appeal to so-called "crunchy" or "Granola" women.

It's like these people have never heard of Amazon, Target, Wal-Mart, Sephora, etc...

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« Reply #904 on: September 10, 2018, 02:05:40 PM »
I saw a facebook post today where someone called MLM's a pyramid scheme, and the huns came out defending this "completely legal, legitimate form of business".  And mentioned they are even "endorsed by Warren Buffett".

Uh, not quite. Warren Buffett owns, through Berkshire, major stakes in multiple MLMs (Pampered Chef being the most well known one)- but I don't recall him ever saying being a distributor for them is a good idea.   Because those distributors, who think they are their own CEO, but are NOT- are making him, and the people at the top at ton of money. Now if someone can find him going on the record that selling for these companies vs. owning them is a good idea. Well, then I'd be pretty darn shocked.

The business is endorsed by Warren Buffett, not using one of these to "own your own business".  Because he sure as heck isn't doing that.
If you can buy up a successful MLM, go for it. But don't buy-in down at the bottom.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #905 on: September 11, 2018, 10:40:20 AM »
They also try to pretend they don't know what you mean by MLM, b/c it's Direct Sales, not MLM!

My favorite posts are the ones where they tell you that working in an office is also a pyramid scheme, or the ones where they feel the need to validate that their business is indeed legal, and not a pyramid scheme.  Umm, if you have to defend your company to that level, shouldn't that be a clue?

My money is on LuLaRoe failing next.  TONS of red flags. 

Multiple lawsuits, class action and non, evidence coming out about how they gave the better prints to preferred consultants, so it was never a level playing field

Quality Control is nonexistent, as evidenced by the dresses with the uneven armholes and the V neck tees missing a topstitch, so after a wash, they will look like crap

Defective product returns are being forced to take credit instead of refunds

Tons of consultants waiting months to get their refund checks for returning their inventory when they give up and go out of business 

At least 20% of the Top 100 consultants have announced they are leaving and opening their own online boutiques in the past month or so 

Their designer was either fired or resigned last week, my money is on fired 

There are rumors floating that one of the liquidation firms has admitted that they are getting their product directly from LLR, and then turning around and selling it for cheap to discount stores. (way cheaper than consultants pay for it)

Multiple new product launches were canceled last minute, Halloween leggings will not be released this year (this is their best seller), and consultants who are still ordering directly from them are getting product that is old, as evidenced by their labels and well known crappy patterns.  All this is likely due to the tons of return product from consultants that they are trying to clear out, and that they are low on cash so they cannot afford to get new product.

My guess is they are in bankruptcy by early 2019!

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« Reply #906 on: September 11, 2018, 12:11:07 PM »
They also try to pretend they don't know what you mean by MLM, b/c it's Direct Sales, not MLM!

My favorite posts are the ones where they tell you that working in an office is also a pyramid scheme, or the ones where they feel the need to validate that their business is indeed legal, and not a pyramid scheme.  Umm, if you have to defend your company to that level, shouldn't that be a clue?

My money is on LuLaRoe failing next.  TONS of red flags. 

Multiple lawsuits, class action and non, evidence coming out about how they gave the better prints to preferred consultants, so it was never a level playing field

Quality Control is nonexistent, as evidenced by the dresses with the uneven armholes and the V neck tees missing a topstitch, so after a wash, they will look like crap

Defective product returns are being forced to take credit instead of refunds

Tons of consultants waiting months to get their refund checks for returning their inventory when they give up and go out of business 

At least 20% of the Top 100 consultants have announced they are leaving and opening their own online boutiques in the past month or so 

Their designer was either fired or resigned last week, my money is on fired 

There are rumors floating that one of the liquidation firms has admitted that they are getting their product directly from LLR, and then turning around and selling it for cheap to discount stores. (way cheaper than consultants pay for it)

Multiple new product launches were canceled last minute, Halloween leggings will not be released this year (this is their best seller), and consultants who are still ordering directly from them are getting product that is old, as evidenced by their labels and well known crappy patterns.  All this is likely due to the tons of return product from consultants that they are trying to clear out, and that they are low on cash so they cannot afford to get new product.

My guess is they are in bankruptcy by early 2019!

You forgot the part about their product being hideous and people finally realizing that screaming obnoxious patterns don't look good on most women. 
« Last Edit: September 12, 2018, 01:27:30 PM by MountainFlower »

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« Reply #907 on: September 11, 2018, 12:21:27 PM »
@MountainFlower you are SOO correct on that!  I never understood how or why ugly, baggy, cheap clothing ever became a thing...

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« Reply #908 on: September 11, 2018, 02:04:12 PM »
But, for only $55, you too can have an ugly dress with horribly uneven arm holes!!



I'm in an anti-MLM facebook group, and screen shots have been posted from distributors about how to hide the armholes when posting photos so that customers will not realize the "mistake" (can't think of what word to use there).

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« Reply #909 on: September 13, 2018, 12:26:26 PM »
@sparkytheop - I'm in the same group.  Quite the sh*t Show!

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« Reply #910 on: September 13, 2018, 12:38:22 PM »
Ugh. A friend with a PhD in medicinal chemistry is selling DoTerra now. If you like the smell of EOs at least get them somewhere online for half the cost.

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« Reply #911 on: September 13, 2018, 01:18:28 PM »
@sparkytheop - I'm in the same group.  Quite the sh*t Show!

I'm constantly amazed!  I've managed to keep most stuff like this off my own feed (only a few friends are "girl bosses").  But, I love to watch the train wrecks...

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« Reply #912 on: September 16, 2018, 12:55:02 AM »
They also try to pretend they don't know what you mean by MLM, b/c it's Direct Sales, not MLM!

My favorite posts are the ones where they tell you that working in an office is also a pyramid scheme, or the ones where they feel the need to validate that their business is indeed legal, and not a pyramid scheme.  Umm, if you have to defend your company to that level, shouldn't that be a clue?

My money is on LuLaRoe failing next.  TONS of red flags. 

Multiple lawsuits, class action and non, evidence coming out about how they gave the better prints to preferred consultants, so it was never a level playing field

Quality Control is nonexistent, as evidenced by the dresses with the uneven armholes and the V neck tees missing a topstitch, so after a wash, they will look like crap

Defective product returns are being forced to take credit instead of refunds

Tons of consultants waiting months to get their refund checks for returning their inventory when they give up and go out of business 

At least 20% of the Top 100 consultants have announced they are leaving and opening their own online boutiques in the past month or so 

Their designer was either fired or resigned last week, my money is on fired 

There are rumors floating that one of the liquidation firms has admitted that they are getting their product directly from LLR, and then turning around and selling it for cheap to discount stores. (way cheaper than consultants pay for it)

Multiple new product launches were canceled last minute, Halloween leggings will not be released this year (this is their best seller), and consultants who are still ordering directly from them are getting product that is old, as evidenced by their labels and well known crappy patterns.  All this is likely due to the tons of return product from consultants that they are trying to clear out, and that they are low on cash so they cannot afford to get new product.

My guess is they are in bankruptcy by early 2019!

You forgot the part about their product being hideous and people finally realizing that screaming obnoxious patterns don't look good on most women.

Meh.  I'm kind of a fan of screaming obnoxious patterns, and I'm not especially concerned if someone else things they are ugly.  That doesn't mean I'm going to pay $40 for them, or whatever LLR charges. 

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« Reply #913 on: September 17, 2018, 12:34:51 PM »
They also try to pretend they don't know what you mean by MLM, b/c it's Direct Sales, not MLM!

My favorite posts are the ones where they tell you that working in an office is also a pyramid scheme, or the ones where they feel the need to validate that their business is indeed legal, and not a pyramid scheme.  Umm, if you have to defend your company to that level, shouldn't that be a clue?

My money is on LuLaRoe failing next.  TONS of red flags. 

Multiple lawsuits, class action and non, evidence coming out about how they gave the better prints to preferred consultants, so it was never a level playing field

Quality Control is nonexistent, as evidenced by the dresses with the uneven armholes and the V neck tees missing a topstitch, so after a wash, they will look like crap

Defective product returns are being forced to take credit instead of refunds

Tons of consultants waiting months to get their refund checks for returning their inventory when they give up and go out of business 

At least 20% of the Top 100 consultants have announced they are leaving and opening their own online boutiques in the past month or so 

Their designer was either fired or resigned last week, my money is on fired 

There are rumors floating that one of the liquidation firms has admitted that they are getting their product directly from LLR, and then turning around and selling it for cheap to discount stores. (way cheaper than consultants pay for it)

Multiple new product launches were canceled last minute, Halloween leggings will not be released this year (this is their best seller), and consultants who are still ordering directly from them are getting product that is old, as evidenced by their labels and well known crappy patterns.  All this is likely due to the tons of return product from consultants that they are trying to clear out, and that they are low on cash so they cannot afford to get new product.

My guess is they are in bankruptcy by early 2019!

You forgot the part about their product being hideous and people finally realizing that screaming obnoxious patterns don't look good on most women.

Friend at work was wearing a LLR design which actually looked OK on her and I asked her about it.  She mentioned LLR and all sounded good until she mentioned having to meet a "retailer" aka consultant in order to buy which raised the MLM flag with me and I never followed up.

And the patterns are too bold for most women IMHO and certainly for me.  My friend was wearing one of the "tamer" designs.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #914 on: September 17, 2018, 12:49:08 PM »
I had to laugh - my cousin has started selling Scentsy and yesterday she made a post on facebook that was obviously a copy and paste sales tactic given to her by someone else. It started out ok "Everyone who knows me or who has seen my bathroom counter knows I'm obsessed with scents.." but later on there were parts that said <insert scent here> and she left it like that! I busted out laughing. If you are going to copy and paste a company-provided facebook post, at least read through it and follow the directions first!

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« Reply #915 on: September 21, 2018, 01:12:59 PM »
Ha! That reminds me of a screenshot I saw years ago, of the first version of a newspaper obituary for an unpopular person. It contained the line [Insert positive quote here].

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #916 on: October 08, 2018, 10:44:09 AM »
I just got an invite from a friend to attend a "meal prep party." Oh cool, I think, here's a chance to hang out with friends while doing a chore I hate, maybe share some good recipes, take advantage of bulk buying, etc.

Nope. It's a Wildtree party.

For a mere $60, you will make 10 "freezer meals," which seemed like an OK deal. And then I read on. You still have to supply your own main ingredients (meats, veggies, etc) and packaging and pretty much everything except some spices and sauces. "Simply purchase produce and proteins from your local store or farmers market, then whip up a quick and easy meal from fresh that your family can enjoy together, even when you're short on time!"

You're expected to show up with all of these items already prepped (chicken chopped, peppers diced, etc.) So you do the shitty part of meal prepping all alone. Then you schlep all of your prepared groceries over to the host's house to buy and mix-in individual meal-sized packages of sauces and spice mixes.

I hopped on the website to figure out what was actually included in the purchase. In one example, you get a shopping list, recipes, four kinds of seasoning, a small bottle of grapeseed oil, and nothing else. For $55.

I just can't even wrap my head around this one.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #917 on: October 08, 2018, 10:52:44 AM »
I just got an invite from a friend to attend a "meal prep party." Oh cool, I think, here's a chance to hang out with friends while doing a chore I hate, maybe share some good recipes, take advantage of bulk buying, etc.

Nope. It's a Wildtree party.

For a mere $60, you will make 10 "freezer meals," which seemed like an OK deal. And then I read on. You still have to supply your own main ingredients (meats, veggies, etc) and packaging and pretty much everything except some spices and sauces. "Simply purchase produce and proteins from your local store or farmers market, then whip up a quick and easy meal from fresh that your family can enjoy together, even when you're short on time!"

You're expected to show up with all of these items already prepped (chicken chopped, peppers diced, etc.) So you do the shitty part of meal prepping all alone. Then you schlep all of your prepared groceries over to the host's house to buy and mix-in individual meal-sized packages of sauces and spice mixes.

I hopped on the website to figure out what was actually included in the purchase. In one example, you get a shopping list, recipes, four kinds of seasoning, a small bottle of grapeseed oil, and nothing else. For $55.

I just can't even wrap my head around this one.

That is an abomination. Woe to this God-forsaken MLM.

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« Reply #918 on: October 08, 2018, 10:59:44 AM »
I just got an invite from a friend to attend a "meal prep party." Oh cool, I think, here's a chance to hang out with friends while doing a chore I hate, maybe share some good recipes, take advantage of bulk buying, etc.

Nope. It's a Wildtree party.

For a mere $60, you will make 10 "freezer meals," which seemed like an OK deal. And then I read on. You still have to supply your own main ingredients (meats, veggies, etc) and packaging and pretty much everything except some spices and sauces. "Simply purchase produce and proteins from your local store or farmers market, then whip up a quick and easy meal from fresh that your family can enjoy together, even when you're short on time!"

You're expected to show up with all of these items already prepped (chicken chopped, peppers diced, etc.) So you do the shitty part of meal prepping all alone. Then you schlep all of your prepared groceries over to the host's house to buy and mix-in individual meal-sized packages of sauces and spice mixes.

I hopped on the website to figure out what was actually included in the purchase. In one example, you get a shopping list, recipes, four kinds of seasoning, a small bottle of grapeseed oil, and nothing else. For $55.

I just can't even wrap my head around this one.

That is an abomination. Woe to this God-forsaken MLM.

Yup, my wife got sucked into one of these.  $55 gets you the spices and the "experience".  Such a terrible MLM... recipes aren't even that good.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #919 on: October 08, 2018, 11:09:54 AM »
I just got an invite from a friend to attend a "meal prep party." Oh cool, I think, here's a chance to hang out with friends while doing a chore I hate, maybe share some good recipes, take advantage of bulk buying, etc.

Nope. It's a Wildtree party.

For a mere $60, you will make 10 "freezer meals," which seemed like an OK deal. And then I read on. You still have to supply your own main ingredients (meats, veggies, etc) and packaging and pretty much everything except some spices and sauces. "Simply purchase produce and proteins from your local store or farmers market, then whip up a quick and easy meal from fresh that your family can enjoy together, even when you're short on time!"

You're expected to show up with all of these items already prepped (chicken chopped, peppers diced, etc.) So you do the shitty part of meal prepping all alone. Then you schlep all of your prepared groceries over to the host's house to buy and mix-in individual meal-sized packages of sauces and spice mixes.

I hopped on the website to figure out what was actually included in the purchase. In one example, you get a shopping list, recipes, four kinds of seasoning, a small bottle of grapeseed oil, and nothing else. For $55.

I just can't even wrap my head around this one.

God damn, I'm scratching my head wondering what kind of people would this even appeal to? Not frugal people who are into meal prep for budget benefits. Not lazy people who want to eat healthier for low effort, because it's almost as much work as just doing everything yourself. Not people who just don't know anything about food/cooking and are trying to learn, because the shopping list seems to require some base knowledge already, since you're shopping for base ingredients and not things in boxes, and you have to do a lot of preparation work in advance.

Maybe people who want to do it for socializing?

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« Reply #920 on: October 08, 2018, 11:21:33 AM »
I just got an invite from a friend to attend a "meal prep party." Oh cool, I think, here's a chance to hang out with friends while doing a chore I hate, maybe share some good recipes, take advantage of bulk buying, etc.

Nope. It's a Wildtree party.

For a mere $60, you will make 10 "freezer meals," which seemed like an OK deal. And then I read on. You still have to supply your own main ingredients (meats, veggies, etc) and packaging and pretty much everything except some spices and sauces. "Simply purchase produce and proteins from your local store or farmers market, then whip up a quick and easy meal from fresh that your family can enjoy together, even when you're short on time!"

You're expected to show up with all of these items already prepped (chicken chopped, peppers diced, etc.) So you do the shitty part of meal prepping all alone. Then you schlep all of your prepared groceries over to the host's house to buy and mix-in individual meal-sized packages of sauces and spice mixes.

I hopped on the website to figure out what was actually included in the purchase. In one example, you get a shopping list, recipes, four kinds of seasoning, a small bottle of grapeseed oil, and nothing else. For $55.

I just can't even wrap my head around this one.

God damn, I'm scratching my head wondering what kind of people would this even appeal to? Not frugal people who are into meal prep for budget benefits. Not lazy people who want to eat healthier for low effort, because it's almost as much work as just doing everything yourself. Not people who just don't know anything about food/cooking and are trying to learn, because the shopping list seems to require some base knowledge already, since you're shopping for base ingredients and not things in boxes, and you have to do a lot of preparation work in advance.

Maybe people who want to do it for socializing?
It's a head scratcher for sure.

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« Reply #921 on: October 08, 2018, 11:39:45 AM »
I just got an invite from a friend to attend a "meal prep party." Oh cool, I think, here's a chance to hang out with friends while doing a chore I hate, maybe share some good recipes, take advantage of bulk buying, etc.

Nope. It's a Wildtree party.

For a mere $60, you will make 10 "freezer meals," which seemed like an OK deal. And then I read on. You still have to supply your own main ingredients (meats, veggies, etc) and packaging and pretty much everything except some spices and sauces. "Simply purchase produce and proteins from your local store or farmers market, then whip up a quick and easy meal from fresh that your family can enjoy together, even when you're short on time!"

You're expected to show up with all of these items already prepped (chicken chopped, peppers diced, etc.) So you do the shitty part of meal prepping all alone. Then you schlep all of your prepared groceries over to the host's house to buy and mix-in individual meal-sized packages of sauces and spice mixes.

I hopped on the website to figure out what was actually included in the purchase. In one example, you get a shopping list, recipes, four kinds of seasoning, a small bottle of grapeseed oil, and nothing else. For $55.

I just can't even wrap my head around this one.

God damn, I'm scratching my head wondering what kind of people would this even appeal to? Not frugal people who are into meal prep for budget benefits. Not lazy people who want to eat healthier for low effort, because it's almost as much work as just doing everything yourself. Not people who just don't know anything about food/cooking and are trying to learn, because the shopping list seems to require some base knowledge already, since you're shopping for base ingredients and not things in boxes, and you have to do a lot of preparation work in advance.

Maybe people who want to do it for socializing?

That's the only advantage I can see. I guess you also get wine and snacks at the party. The meager comments on the event say things like "Should be a good way to force myself to prep." Heck, for $40, I would happily call you up and harass you about prepping meals and send you a grocery list. What a steal!

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« Reply #922 on: October 08, 2018, 11:50:41 AM »
I do think that they've hit on one good idea, though: a meal prep party. If I was into meal prepping and had like-minded friends, that could be a really good time. Everyone brings a recipe, group trip to Costco to buy ingredients in bulk, come home, do the chopping etc all together with wine and snacks and music, and everyone leaves with a variety of prepped meals.

Unfortunately, I'm not the cook in my house, and he prefers to cook every day because it's relaxing for him. (I know, he's weird.) Plus I don't know any friends who prep meals.

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« Reply #923 on: October 08, 2018, 11:53:38 AM »
Yeah, I thought that was a great idea!

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« Reply #924 on: October 09, 2018, 08:42:11 AM »
@sparkytheop - I'm in the same group.  Quite the sh*t Show!

What group is it? I want to join it!



One of my friends started posting about her weight loss progress. She was making great progress and her posts were interesting and encouraging. Then they started take on that weird MLM tone - lots of emojis; unnaturally formatted; language and tone that didn't really sound like her; calls to contact her in private message to learn more about her journey. She quit her job and became a "health coach." But she never mentioned an MLM. She started posting other people's Before And After photos and I finally was able to spot the tiny watermark for the weight loss MLM she's shilling for. It's just disappointing. I'm happy for her success, and I used to like her posts, but now I just want to hide her posts. I think that intentionally pretending you're not shilling for an MLM is the height of dishonesty. "Well, I know no one wants to buy into my MLM, so I'll pretend I'm not representing an MLM and then trick them into joining my MLM!"

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« Reply #925 on: October 09, 2018, 09:33:52 AM »
There was a (brick and mortar) business in our area that used to host meal prep parties.   You booked by the spot, but could book a party of up to 40.  They provided everything. You'd go station to station, prepare each meal (everything was pre-cut; it was more portion and pour), drink wine, chat etc.  The cost was about $5-6 per serving.

They changed their model after about 2 years. People didn't want to do the prepping. Now for about $4 per serving ($7 gluten free), monthly you can pick up pre-packaged freezer meals.

We used them after my husband got hit by a car. The food was decent, and it was easy.


But that much money to go to a party that only provides spices? That I still have to do all the grocery shopping for.  No effing way, that's insane.

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« Reply #926 on: October 09, 2018, 10:53:38 AM »
I just got an invite from a friend to attend a "meal prep party." Oh cool, I think, here's a chance to hang out with friends while doing a chore I hate, maybe share some good recipes, take advantage of bulk buying, etc.

Nope. It's a Wildtree party.

For a mere $60, you will make 10 "freezer meals," which seemed like an OK deal. And then I read on. You still have to supply your own main ingredients (meats, veggies, etc) and packaging and pretty much everything except some spices and sauces. "Simply purchase produce and proteins from your local store or farmers market, then whip up a quick and easy meal from fresh that your family can enjoy together, even when you're short on time!"

You're expected to show up with all of these items already prepped (chicken chopped, peppers diced, etc.) So you do the shitty part of meal prepping all alone. Then you schlep all of your prepared groceries over to the host's house to buy and mix-in individual meal-sized packages of sauces and spice mixes.

I hopped on the website to figure out what was actually included in the purchase. In one example, you get a shopping list, recipes, four kinds of seasoning, a small bottle of grapeseed oil, and nothing else. For $55.

I just can't even wrap my head around this one.

God damn, I'm scratching my head wondering what kind of people would this even appeal to? Not frugal people who are into meal prep for budget benefits. Not lazy people who want to eat healthier for low effort, because it's almost as much work as just doing everything yourself. Not people who just don't know anything about food/cooking and are trying to learn, because the shopping list seems to require some base knowledge already, since you're shopping for base ingredients and not things in boxes, and you have to do a lot of preparation work in advance.

Maybe people who want to do it for socializing?

It sounds like more work than doing it on your own: you schlepp the groceries home, then put them back into bags to take someplace else, then schlepp them home again?

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #927 on: October 09, 2018, 10:55:35 AM »
I just got an invite from a friend to attend a "meal prep party." Oh cool, I think, here's a chance to hang out with friends while doing a chore I hate, maybe share some good recipes, take advantage of bulk buying, etc.

Nope. It's a Wildtree party.

For a mere $60, you will make 10 "freezer meals," which seemed like an OK deal. And then I read on. You still have to supply your own main ingredients (meats, veggies, etc) and packaging and pretty much everything except some spices and sauces. "Simply purchase produce and proteins from your local store or farmers market, then whip up a quick and easy meal from fresh that your family can enjoy together, even when you're short on time!"

You're expected to show up with all of these items already prepped (chicken chopped, peppers diced, etc.) So you do the shitty part of meal prepping all alone. Then you schlep all of your prepared groceries over to the host's house to buy and mix-in individual meal-sized packages of sauces and spice mixes.

I hopped on the website to figure out what was actually included in the purchase. In one example, you get a shopping list, recipes, four kinds of seasoning, a small bottle of grapeseed oil, and nothing else. For $55.

I just can't even wrap my head around this one.

God damn, I'm scratching my head wondering what kind of people would this even appeal to? Not frugal people who are into meal prep for budget benefits. Not lazy people who want to eat healthier for low effort, because it's almost as much work as just doing everything yourself. Not people who just don't know anything about food/cooking and are trying to learn, because the shopping list seems to require some base knowledge already, since you're shopping for base ingredients and not things in boxes, and you have to do a lot of preparation work in advance.

Maybe people who want to do it for socializing?

It sounds like more work than doing it on your own: you schlepp the groceries home, then put them back into bags to take someplace else, then schlepp them home again?
Yeah. This sounds like the worst party ever. I'd rather stay home alone chopping up soup veggies than go through all that.

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« Reply #928 on: October 09, 2018, 12:44:40 PM »
I fell into Amway hole around 2012. I was new to the area. Someone greeted me while shopping at Walmart and told my face is very familiar and had some conversations. In short, he got my phone number, called me a few days after and told there is a side gig and if I wanted to work on it.

I remember I had only $300 in my account at that time. I said yes, he took me to some meeting that had people in suits. They had music, motivational talk...bla...bla...bla...I was brainwashed (or I was naive) and ended up signing up for it. After 2 months of horrifying experience, finally came out of it. They asked me to go and meet random people at Walmart and exchange phone numbers. Asked us to call those people on Sundays and convince them to attend meetings.

Not only that, they asked me to contact my friends & friends of friends circle and convince them. It was one of the worst mistakes of my life.

I never knew such crude and selfish people existed. I'm allergic to Amway since then.

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« Reply #929 on: October 09, 2018, 01:55:38 PM »
Poking around our town Facebook page, I discovered there was a vendor fair coming up for the elementary school PTO.  My initial thoughts were, "I don't need anything, but I wonder what local companies will be there." I should have known better...

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« Reply #930 on: October 09, 2018, 05:50:34 PM »
@sparkytheop - I'm in the same group.  Quite the sh*t Show!

What group is it? I want to join it!



One of my friends started posting about her weight loss progress. She was making great progress and her posts were interesting and encouraging. Then they started take on that weird MLM tone - lots of emojis; unnaturally formatted; language and tone that didn't really sound like her; calls to contact her in private message to learn more about her journey. She quit her job and became a "health coach." But she never mentioned an MLM. She started posting other people's Before And After photos and I finally was able to spot the tiny watermark for the weight loss MLM she's shilling for. It's just disappointing. I'm happy for her success, and I used to like her posts, but now I just want to hide her posts. I think that intentionally pretending you're not shilling for an MLM is the height of dishonesty. "Well, I know no one wants to buy into my MLM, so I'll pretend I'm not representing an MLM and then trick them into joining my MLM!"

This is pretty common, actually.

I do Beachbody (meaning, I use their products).  I have their $99/year streaming service.  I've done a few of their workouts start to finish.  I think they are great and it's awesome that when my spouse is traveling, I can pull up yoga or weightlifting or whatever I feel like doing that day because I'm stuck with the kids.

So.  Being that I started with 21 day fix in 2014, I know a lot of other beachbody people online and in real life.  And I've seen the transition that many of them go through.  The thing is - it's pretty awesome when you find something that works for you.  For me, it was losing the 2nd baby weight when counting calories didn't work, and weight watchers didn't work, but finally - I found something!  It's exciting, and you share it.

But then ... whomever you bought the workout program from is a "coach".  And they make money when you buy something from them or are signed up under them.  And then you have a "team" with several people, and you start having special workout challenges.  I know so many of them now that I recognize the canned invites and notice that they never mention them by name - but "PM me for details!"

Some of these coaches do it for a living, meaning they are actually certified trainers and coaches, and it's a way to make a little more dough.  Some of these people are just really nice people who want to help others get healthy - they found something that they liked and worked for them, and they are enthusiastic.  If they can make a little dough, great, but it's not their primary goal.  But for some they really want to make it their day job.

Thing is that transition can be really awkward.  I have a good friend who has been into Beachbody for about a year now and she keeps asking me to move over to her team and ... I mean why?  I'm happy to be encouraging and help out your new buddies with meal prep tips and my favorite workout recommendations.  But I'm also fine over here paying my $99 a year fee for the online workouts.  I can't drink the shakes anymore (did the first couple of years) - they disagree with my digestion. 

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #931 on: October 09, 2018, 06:19:07 PM »
If there are any podcast listeners here, there's a really great new podcast out called "The Dream."  It delves into the history of MLMs in a really fascinating way. I'm learning a lot and gaining a new perspective on the whole phenomenon.  The most recent episode is about the connections between mid-20th-century MLMs and the New Thought movement. Highly recommended listening!

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #932 on: October 09, 2018, 08:17:11 PM »
I fell into Amway hole around 2012. I was new to the area. Someone greeted me while shopping at Walmart and told my face is very familiar and had some conversations. In short, he got my phone number, called me a few days after and told there is a side gig and if I wanted to work on it.

I remember I had only $300 in my account at that time. I said yes, he took me to some meeting that had people in suits. They had music, motivational talk...bla...bla...bla...I was brainwashed (or I was naive) and ended up signing up for it. After 2 months of horrifying experience, finally came out of it. They asked me to go and meet random people at Walmart and exchange phone numbers. Asked us to call those people on Sundays and convince them to attend meetings.

Not only that, they asked me to contact my friends & friends of friends circle and convince them. It was one of the worst mistakes of my life.

I never knew such crude and selfish people existed. I'm allergic to Amway since then.

Oh yeah, Amway people are awful. Husband and I got tricked into meeting another couple (friends of our friend) for what we thought was a coffee date with potential new friends. Instead, they spent 2 hours pitching Amway to us. We got out by promising to consider it, told them we werenít interested when they called us later, and never heard from them again. Good riddance.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #933 on: October 10, 2018, 01:01:36 AM »
MLM..."Makes Life Miserable".

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #934 on: October 10, 2018, 04:13:02 AM »
I fell into Amway hole around 2012. I was new to the area. Someone greeted me while shopping at Walmart and told my face is very familiar and had some conversations. In short, he got my phone number, called me a few days after and told there is a side gig and if I wanted to work on it.

I remember I had only $300 in my account at that time. I said yes, he took me to some meeting that had people in suits. They had music, motivational talk...bla...bla...bla...I was brainwashed (or I was naive) and ended up signing up for it. After 2 months of horrifying experience, finally came out of it. They asked me to go and meet random people at Walmart and exchange phone numbers. Asked us to call those people on Sundays and convince them to attend meetings.

Not only that, they asked me to contact my friends & friends of friends circle and convince them. It was one of the worst mistakes of my life.

I never knew such crude and selfish people existed. I'm allergic to Amway since then.

Oh yeah, Amway people are awful. Husband and I got tricked into meeting another couple (friends of our friend) for what we thought was a coffee date with potential new friends. Instead, they spent 2 hours pitching Amway to us. We got out by promising to consider it, told them we werenít interested when they called us later, and never heard from them again. Good riddance.
I grew up in Amway land. It is truly awful how deceptive people can be in trying to trick you into hearing your sales pitch. My parents had it happen to them a couple times and even I suffered through a "let's meet for coffee" thing with a colleague early in my career.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #935 on: October 10, 2018, 08:57:18 AM »
MLM..."Makes Life Miserable".

I can't take credit for it, but last week I saw someone call it "Moms Lying to Moms".  Truth...

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« Reply #936 on: October 10, 2018, 09:00:07 AM »
@sparkytheop - I'm in the same group.  Quite the sh*t Show!

What group is it? I want to join it!


There's two I'm in right now:
Sounds like MLM but OK
LuLaRoe Defective/Ripped/Torn Leggings and Clothes

The second one in particular is soap opera level drama.  It's only a matter of time before LLR goes bankrupt...

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #937 on: October 10, 2018, 09:00:23 AM »
Poking around our town Facebook page, I discovered there was a vendor fair coming up for the elementary school PTO.  My initial thoughts were, "I don't need anything, but I wonder what local companies will be there." I should have known better...

I've seen this trend  happening with several small town events. Went to see fireworks put on by the local fire department where they sell food to raise funds and sell table space for vendors. It used to be homemade crafts and art, now it's mostly MLM's. That was kinda depressing.

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« Reply #938 on: October 10, 2018, 10:14:30 AM »
MLM..."Makes Life Miserable".

I can't take credit for it, but last week I saw someone call it "Moms Lying to Moms".  Truth...

also "Most Lose Money"

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #939 on: October 10, 2018, 10:19:09 AM »
I've wasted an enormous amount of time on these Facebook groups since this morning, because the trainwreck that is MLM posts is too great to look away from.

But it all reminded me of an MLM invite I received from a friend I went to Grad School with. I wanted to go back and look at it, because I couldn't remember what the product was.

It was better than I remembered. I received it after my very first tax season as a business owner. So keep in mind that at the point I received this message, I was building an accounting firm:

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Hey NAME...did you survive tax season?!  That's a huge accomplishment if you did!  So now that tax season is semi-over, I wanted to ask you if you ever keep your options open for making additional income?  I have a home based business and you know as an accountant what a huge tax writeoff you can have from that type of business.  I'd love to share with you a short video clip or phone recording if you are open to at least hearing about it!

Ok, so... Let's pause here for a moment. I'm just a CPA specializing in tax, but if my MLM is a huge tax write off, that means I'm losing money, right? Right???

I told her thanks and I'd look at her video. God knows why. But that means I still have the link!!


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So glad you survived and I bet you're relieved.  Here is the video you can check out.  [Link was for VISI recruitment video].  I love having that Plan B income because I know at my day job that I'm only making money if I'm working so having residual income is the best thing ever.  I love waking up and having made money in the middle of the night 😉

This lady has an MBA and was in law school when I met her. Her "day job" at the time was as an accountant.

After watching the video, I had no idea what VISI was. The link doesn't lead to the same video anymore (which is a shame, because I recall that the original video was gold), but it mostly just talked about living your best life. Now it goes to a video about how awesome Scandinavia is and how VISI originates from them and that's how you know it's awesome. It at least clues you in that it's nutritional and beauty products. Apparently made from a magic Scandinavian berry.

The whole pitch still gets a huge WTF from me. Is there something about me that led her to believe I wanted to sell magic berries?

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« Reply #940 on: October 10, 2018, 10:33:03 AM »
Never heard of VISI.
Looks like protein powders and health junk- Beachbody and Body by Vi clone.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #941 on: October 10, 2018, 10:50:03 AM »
Maybe my biggest annoyance at MLMs is the misuse of the term "residual income". THAT DOESN'T MEAN WHAT YOU THINK IT MEANS. If you have ongoing work for it, it's not residual income. If it's earned income, it's not residual.

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« Reply #942 on: October 10, 2018, 11:57:02 AM »
Maybe my biggest annoyance at MLMs is the misuse of the term "residual income". THAT DOESN'T MEAN WHAT YOU THINK IT MEANS. If you have ongoing work for it, it's not residual income. If it's earned income, it's not residual.

Ah ha yes!  I know a lot of the perceived benefit is that you can make money while working at home, in your PJs.  And it's easier than having your own business.  (My running coach also owns a gym... that's hard work!)

I think for some of them, they use residual because once you sign one person up, as long as they keep buying whatever, you are making money.

(The latest thing on my FB feed is skincare... Rodan and Fields very popular in the over-40 set).

I have an actual day job that makes a decent salary, so I can't imagine why I'd want to spend my "free" time selling stuff.

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« Reply #943 on: October 15, 2018, 02:20:09 PM »
Uuuugh. Now an old friend (as always, a mom in her late 30s) is shilling for Tastefully Simple. A quick look at the website offers a "Fix it Fast 10 Meal Kit", which comprises a few bottles and jars of spice blends and sauces and some recipes for $70.

Yeah, no. No wonder everyone complains about being broke. They're all buying this nonsense from each other and giving the money right back to the Ponzi scheme parent company.

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« Reply #944 on: October 16, 2018, 07:47:45 PM »
My hubs best friend (since he was 8) and his wife have gotten into Thrive. Ugh. I just want to come over and cuddle with the new baby and chill over pizza. Every time we come over it's a way to get us to buy their product. :(

Avoiding Facebook stuff with them too, as it's all, "Thrive was my missing piece."

Can't. do. it.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #945 on: October 16, 2018, 08:02:23 PM »
I've found a podcast...!  It's still pretty new (only five episodes, not sure how many there will be).  I'm continually fascinated by MLM train wrecks and just can't look away.

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stitcher/the-dream

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« Reply #946 on: October 19, 2018, 06:02:25 PM »
The latest! 

You know all I've been struggling with my weight.  Digestive problems, bloating, none of the exercising and eating healthy did anything.  At my wit's end, and about to go see an endocrinologist!  Then I found something.  I swapped out my coffee - and I've lost 10 lbs!  PM me with questions.

Magic coffee.  Okay.

This is a Beachbody coach.  I don't see where BB is getting into coffee?  Sigh.

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« Reply #947 on: October 20, 2018, 05:27:00 PM »
I've found a podcast...!  It's still pretty new (only five episodes, not sure how many there will be).  I'm continually fascinated by MLM train wrecks and just can't look away.

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stitcher/the-dream

Oh man, the second episode is set in my husband's hometown. There are only one middle school and high school so given the time frame, he, his sister, or cousins must have attended school with the host or her aunt (no surnames are given). This is weird.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #948 on: October 22, 2018, 06:35:47 AM »
I've found a podcast...!  It's still pretty new (only five episodes, not sure how many there will be).  I'm continually fascinated by MLM train wrecks and just can't look away.

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stitcher/the-dream

Oh man, the second episode is set in my husband's hometown. There are only one middle school and high school so given the time frame, he, his sister, or cousins must have attended school with the host or her aunt (no surnames are given). This is weird.

Her grandma gives her surname in one of the episodes, and I think the great-grandma's name is given too. Depending on if you have a knows-everyone relative, you might be able to figure it out.

It's been a great podcast, I just wish it wasn't only available through Stitcher.

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« Reply #949 on: October 22, 2018, 07:48:28 AM »
This podcast is great, and it isnít only available through stitcher. I listen to it via apple podcasts. It is just ad-free on stitcher.