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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #800 on: March 27, 2018, 10:06:53 AM »
Oh yes, this one makes me sad.  Don't get me wrong.  I love the Beachbody workouts.  I have the streaming service ($99 a year for all their workouts).  They have great recipes on their site.  Their workouts & meal plans helped me lose all the baby weight - 35 lbs!

But shakeology.  I know it's how they make their money, and word of mouth of "coaches".  But seriously.

I'd never even heard of it before, but ALL she posts about on facebook is her coaching "business" and "being her own boss" and ALL the standard MLM things that have been said here.

Congrats on losing all the baby weight though! My youngest is 6 and I am STILL up 30 pounds from where I was before getting pregnant with my now-8 year old. I've made a lot of progress with my fitness lately and the weight is...redistributing...but I still have a long way to go. Hard to call it "baby weight" when my "baby" is six. I have a plan at the moment (training for a half marathon and hiking Mt. Whitney this summer; focusing on being active and eating appropriately for said activity) but if I don't see the weight budge here I may take a look at that streaming option. Thanks. :)

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« Reply #801 on: March 27, 2018, 10:16:12 AM »
Oh yes, this one makes me sad.  Don't get me wrong.  I love the Beachbody workouts.  I have the streaming service ($99 a year for all their workouts).  They have great recipes on their site.  Their workouts & meal plans helped me lose all the baby weight - 35 lbs!

But shakeology.  I know it's how they make their money, and word of mouth of "coaches".  But seriously.

I'd never even heard of it before, but ALL she posts about on facebook is her coaching "business" and "being her own boss" and ALL the standard MLM things that have been said here.

Congrats on losing all the baby weight though! My youngest is 6 and I am STILL up 30 pounds from where I was before getting pregnant with my now-8 year old. I've made a lot of progress with my fitness lately and the weight is...redistributing...but I still have a long way to go. Hard to call it "baby weight" when my "baby" is six. I have a plan at the moment (training for a half marathon and hiking Mt. Whitney this summer; focusing on being active and eating appropriately for said activity) but if I don't see the weight budge here I may take a look at that streaming option. Thanks. :)

Ooh, Mt. Whitney!  I live in California.  I'd never attempt Whitney.  I'm too much of a scaredy-cat.  A friend of mine did it last year, and ALMOST made it.  But near the top it was snowing/ icy, and there was a gnarly section.  She stopped, sobbing "I can't turn my husband into a single parent!"  It was a bad weather day.

The program I used was 21-day fix.  The workouts were great (I still do them), but the color-coded containers for each type of food and the amount you could eat was what did the trick.  It was super easy, way easier for me than counting points or calories.  Much less counting.  And made me cut my love affair with carbs, because I could only have 2 servings a day.


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« Reply #802 on: March 27, 2018, 10:43:32 AM »
Shouldn't the drink powders and the health additive folks be the healthiest people we know? They aren't - well, not universally.

Thanks - I can continue to be the middle aged guy who needs to exercise more - without the cost of the supplements. ;)

Meanwhile, I am pedaling back and forth around town alot more. That IS paying off a little albeit slowly.

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« Reply #803 on: March 27, 2018, 02:27:37 PM »
Shouldn't the drink powders and the health additive folks be the healthiest people we know? They aren't - well, not universally.

Anecdotal, I know, but I've literally never received unsolicited health or nutrition advice from someone who looked qualified to give it.

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« Reply #804 on: March 28, 2018, 07:22:50 AM »
Shouldn't the drink powders and the health additive folks be the healthiest people we know? They aren't - well, not universally.

Anecdotal, I know, but I've literally never received unsolicited health or nutrition advice from someone who looked qualified to give it.

Also anecdotal, I know, but I've literally never received unsolicited health or nutrition advice from someone in the gym.

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« Reply #805 on: March 28, 2018, 10:19:46 AM »
I was approached multiple times by people pedaling this shake or that drink powder. All I could think was - why aren't they using the product? They aren't the pinnacle of health by any means (nor am I). Still at least I'm doing something about it by being more active minus the cost of the powder/shake/product.

Going for a walk is pretty cheap these days. You don't even need a dog or special shoes! ;)

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« Reply #806 on: March 28, 2018, 10:49:17 AM »
I've known a few people who sold the shakes and powders over the years. If you ever want to try a response that they've never heard before, my go-to line is "My Hungarian grandmother would turn over in her grave if she found out I ate food powder instead of a proper home-cooked meal." I'm not even lying.

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« Reply #807 on: March 28, 2018, 10:52:51 AM »
I have a few friends who shill that powder. A couple have gotten into INCREDIBLE shape since starting to "coach" for beachbody. A couple a hugely obese but swear they'd be a lot unhealthier without the shakes and "everyone has to start somewhere".

I think I've found that a lot of people prefer an overweight "coach" because it makes them relatable.

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« Reply #808 on: March 28, 2018, 01:31:08 PM »
I have a few friends who shill that powder. A couple have gotten into INCREDIBLE shape since starting to "coach" for beachbody. A couple a hugely obese but swear they'd be a lot unhealthier without the shakes and "everyone has to start somewhere".

I think I've found that a lot of people prefer an overweight "coach" because it makes them relatable.
Huh.  That's interesting.  I know a lot of coaches.  Most of them are very fit, but that might be related to my location.  A few that are "relatable".

I think it makes me sad, because most of them put an awful lot of work into it, for what I assume is not a lot of money.  And recent changes on BB means they aren't allowed to be in other MLMs.  So folks who pieced together Beachbody + wine + ??? (I dunno, nails?  Skincare? Leggings?) had to pick one.

Again, because of my location, many of the "coaches" I know are actually certified in other things, like martial arts, personal training, nutrition, etc.

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« Reply #809 on: March 28, 2018, 01:45:48 PM »
I've known a few people who sold the shakes and powders over the years. If you ever want to try a response that they've never heard before, my go-to line is "My Hungarian grandmother would turn over in her grave if she found out I ate food powder instead of a proper home-cooked meal." I'm not even lying.

I had looked up the cost of the shakes out of curiosity.  When someone tried to get me to buy them, I said that no, the shakes were too expensive and would blow my food budget.  So then I got the next push "but they are inexpensive for all the nutrients and vitamins they provide!" and "You'll save so much time not making meals!"  I told them I had so much time to make proper meals I should be ashamed to use that as a reason (I work 7 days/nights every 2 weeks if I'm not working overtime, and usually have plenty of time too cook at work as well as at home).  Also, with all the food my mom grows in her garden, I have almost unlimited access to fresh vegetables in the summer, and home frozen/canned vegetables all winter.  They finally dropped it.

But, maybe I can use "Hungarian gramma" next time, even if mine wasn't.

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« Reply #810 on: March 28, 2018, 02:59:08 PM »
I have a few friends who shill that powder. A couple have gotten into INCREDIBLE shape since starting to "coach" for beachbody. A couple a hugely obese but swear they'd be a lot unhealthier without the shakes and "everyone has to start somewhere".

I think I've found that a lot of people prefer an overweight "coach" because it makes them relatable.

I think it makes me sad, because most of them put an awful lot of work into it, for what I assume is not a lot of money.  And recent changes on BB means they aren't allowed to be in other MLMs.  So folks who pieced together Beachbody + wine + ??? (I dunno, nails?  Skincare? Leggings?) had to pick one.

Nothing says #I'mmyownboss like someone else telling you what you can or can't sell.

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« Reply #811 on: March 29, 2018, 12:13:53 PM »
I've known a few people who sold the shakes and powders over the years. If you ever want to try a response that they've never heard before, my go-to line is "My Hungarian grandmother would turn over in her grave if she found out I ate food powder instead of a proper home-cooked meal." I'm not even lying.

I had looked up the cost of the shakes out of curiosity.  When someone tried to get me to buy them, I said that no, the shakes were too expensive and would blow my food budget.  So then I got the next push "but they are inexpensive for all the nutrients and vitamins they provide!" and "You'll save so much time not making meals!"  I told them I had so much time to make proper meals I should be ashamed to use that as a reason (I work 7 days/nights every 2 weeks if I'm not working overtime, and usually have plenty of time too cook at work as well as at home).  Also, with all the food my mom grows in her garden, I have almost unlimited access to fresh vegetables in the summer, and home frozen/canned vegetables all winter.  They finally dropped it.

But, maybe I can use "Hungarian gramma" next time, even if mine wasn't.

In my experience, they have a retort for EVERY reason you could give as a way to decline. It's all in the scripts ;)

I had someone randomly Facebook message me from a mutual mom's group. She must have searched certain conditions to target people, because she mentioned a chronic health condition I've discussed in the group (though I've never even asked for treatment options there) and tried to get me to buy and/or sell Thrive. I wanted to respond in so many different ways, but in the end I didn't accept the message - I just blocked and deleted it. And reported her to group admins since that is for sure against the (pretty awesome) group code of conduct.

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« Reply #812 on: March 29, 2018, 12:22:29 PM »
I've known a few people who sold the shakes and powders over the years. If you ever want to try a response that they've never heard before, my go-to line is "My Hungarian grandmother would turn over in her grave if she found out I ate food powder instead of a proper home-cooked meal." I'm not even lying.

I had looked up the cost of the shakes out of curiosity.  When someone tried to get me to buy them, I said that no, the shakes were too expensive and would blow my food budget.  So then I got the next push "but they are inexpensive for all the nutrients and vitamins they provide!" and "You'll save so much time not making meals!"  I told them I had so much time to make proper meals I should be ashamed to use that as a reason (I work 7 days/nights every 2 weeks if I'm not working overtime, and usually have plenty of time too cook at work as well as at home).  Also, with all the food my mom grows in her garden, I have almost unlimited access to fresh vegetables in the summer, and home frozen/canned vegetables all winter.  They finally dropped it.

But, maybe I can use "Hungarian gramma" next time, even if mine wasn't.

In my experience, they have a retort for EVERY reason you could give as a way to decline. It's all in the scripts ;)

I have another response that's hard for them to find a script for as well - one person I knew years ago was part of an MLM that sold energy drinks, and tried to sell them to me. I grabbed one, read out loud the warnings on the label, and said "Holy shit, are you trying to kill me?"

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« Reply #813 on: March 29, 2018, 01:52:08 PM »
I've known a few people who sold the shakes and powders over the years. If you ever want to try a response that they've never heard before, my go-to line is "My Hungarian grandmother would turn over in her grave if she found out I ate food powder instead of a proper home-cooked meal." I'm not even lying.

I had looked up the cost of the shakes out of curiosity.  When someone tried to get me to buy them, I said that no, the shakes were too expensive and would blow my food budget.  So then I got the next push "but they are inexpensive for all the nutrients and vitamins they provide!" and "You'll save so much time not making meals!"  I told them I had so much time to make proper meals I should be ashamed to use that as a reason (I work 7 days/nights every 2 weeks if I'm not working overtime, and usually have plenty of time too cook at work as well as at home).  Also, with all the food my mom grows in her garden, I have almost unlimited access to fresh vegetables in the summer, and home frozen/canned vegetables all winter.  They finally dropped it.

But, maybe I can use "Hungarian gramma" next time, even if mine wasn't.

In my experience, they have a retort for EVERY reason you could give as a way to decline. It's all in the scripts ;)

I have another response that's hard for them to find a script for as well - one person I knew years ago was part of an MLM that sold energy drinks, and tried to sell them to me. I grabbed one, read out loud the warnings on the label, and said "Holy shit, are you trying to kill me?"

When I was a kid and living with my parents, my aunt and her husband came for an extended visit. They brought some ridiculous-looking energy bars that were highly processed with an ingredients list that took up half the back of the package. My aunt's husband was hawking this garbage and would not shut up about it. He was an older fellow, in his sixties at least, with a bit of an overweening disposition so it was hard to politely dodge the conversation. We'd all sampled the nauseating glorified cardboard just to be polite, and found it odious. But after several days he still wouldn't shut up about the disgusting things. I was thinking about finding an excuse to break his jaw to make him stop. While extolling the dubious virtue of his product, he asserted: "Because of these, I've got the body of a twenty-nine-year-old."

Me: (Looking at the package) Which one of these ingredients is the hallucinogen?

Yeah, I was an obnoxious kid. Not much has changed since then.

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« Reply #814 on: March 29, 2018, 02:18:46 PM »
Or just send your average kid into the conversation. I've heard some pretty creative reasons why a 9 year old won't eat their vegetables...

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« Reply #815 on: March 29, 2018, 02:27:56 PM »
I've known a few people who sold the shakes and powders over the years. If you ever want to try a response that they've never heard before, my go-to line is "My Hungarian grandmother would turn over in her grave if she found out I ate food powder instead of a proper home-cooked meal." I'm not even lying.

I had looked up the cost of the shakes out of curiosity.  When someone tried to get me to buy them, I said that no, the shakes were too expensive and would blow my food budget.  So then I got the next push "but they are inexpensive for all the nutrients and vitamins they provide!" and "You'll save so much time not making meals!"  I told them I had so much time to make proper meals I should be ashamed to use that as a reason (I work 7 days/nights every 2 weeks if I'm not working overtime, and usually have plenty of time too cook at work as well as at home).  Also, with all the food my mom grows in her garden, I have almost unlimited access to fresh vegetables in the summer, and home frozen/canned vegetables all winter.  They finally dropped it.

But, maybe I can use "Hungarian gramma" next time, even if mine wasn't.

In my experience, they have a retort for EVERY reason you could give as a way to decline. It's all in the scripts ;)

I have another response that's hard for them to find a script for as well - one person I knew years ago was part of an MLM that sold energy drinks, and tried to sell them to me. I grabbed one, read out loud the warnings on the label, and said "Holy shit, are you trying to kill me?"

When I was a kid and living with my parents, my aunt and her husband came for an extended visit. They brought some ridiculous-looking energy bars that were highly processed with an ingredients list that took up half the back of the package. My aunt's husband was hawking this garbage and would not shut up about it. He was an older fellow, in his sixties at least, with a bit of an overweening disposition so it was hard to politely dodge the conversation. We'd all sampled the nauseating glorified cardboard just to be polite, and found it odious. But after several days he still wouldn't shut up about the disgusting things. I was thinking about finding an excuse to break his jaw to make him stop. While extolling the dubious virtue of his product, he asserted: "Because of these, I've got the body of a twenty-nine-year-old."

Me: (Looking at the package) Which one of these ingredients is the hallucinogen?

Yeah, I was an obnoxious kid. Not much has changed since then.

If only there were cell phone cameras and YouTube back then.  That's comic gold.  My response would have probably been questioning why 29 years old equals peak fitness.

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« Reply #816 on: March 29, 2018, 03:49:15 PM »
Me: (Looking at the package) Which one of these ingredients is the hallucinogen?

OMG, you are hilarious!  Such a precocious child.  I'm glad you participate in these forums, TGS!

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« Reply #817 on: March 29, 2018, 07:46:16 PM »
I've known a few people who sold the shakes and powders over the years. If you ever want to try a response that they've never heard before, my go-to line is "My Hungarian grandmother would turn over in her grave if she found out I ate food powder instead of a proper home-cooked meal." I'm not even lying.

Never eat anything your grandparents wouldn't recognize as food.

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« Reply #818 on: March 30, 2018, 07:57:12 AM »
I've known a few people who sold the shakes and powders over the years. If you ever want to try a response that they've never heard before, my go-to line is "My Hungarian grandmother would turn over in her grave if she found out I ate food powder instead of a proper home-cooked meal." I'm not even lying.

Never eat anything your grandparents wouldn't recognize as food.

This is true, as long as your grandparents weren't incredibly xenophobic. My grandpa refused to eat pizza and chop suey, as they were "not real food". Spaghetti was iffy; it was OK only as long as it was Kraft brand with the little shaker of what was labelled "parmesan cheese". He would be appalled at my diet, as many meals are completely meatless (even suppers!), and I eat too much "rabbit food".

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« Reply #819 on: March 30, 2018, 02:15:22 PM »
I unfollowed someone on Facebook because their posts got incredibly annoying. Multiple posts a day of them in workout gear shilling Beachbody. My wife enjoys Beachbody but just streams it for fairly cheap and doesn't try to sell anything. Unfortunately she also does the shakeology which is obscenely expensive.

Another FB friend sells Rodan & Fields but she's not nearly as annoying with her posts.

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« Reply #820 on: March 30, 2018, 02:23:02 PM »
I unfollowed someone on Facebook because their posts got incredibly annoying. Multiple posts a day of them in workout gear shilling Beachbody. My wife enjoys Beachbody but just streams it for fairly cheap and doesn't try to sell anything. Unfortunately she also does the shakeology which is obscenely expensive.


Shakeology and beachbody are one in the same as far as MLMs go.

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« Reply #821 on: March 30, 2018, 02:29:04 PM »
I unfollowed someone on Facebook because their posts got incredibly annoying. Multiple posts a day of them in workout gear shilling Beachbody. My wife enjoys Beachbody but just streams it for fairly cheap and doesn't try to sell anything. Unfortunately she also does the shakeology which is obscenely expensive.


Shakeology and beachbody are one in the same as far as MLMs go.

I know they're related but you can purchase beachbody workouts without having to buy the shakes if one is so inclined

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« Reply #822 on: April 02, 2018, 09:02:42 AM »
I've known a few people who sold the shakes and powders over the years. If you ever want to try a response that they've never heard before, my go-to line is "My Hungarian grandmother would turn over in her grave if she found out I ate food powder instead of a proper home-cooked meal." I'm not even lying.

Never eat anything your grandparents wouldn't recognize as food.

This is true, as long as your grandparents weren't incredibly xenophobic. My grandpa refused to eat pizza and chop suey, as they were "not real food". Spaghetti was iffy; it was OK only as long as it was Kraft brand with the little shaker of what was labelled "parmesan cheese". He would be appalled at my diet, as many meals are completely meatless (even suppers!), and I eat too much "rabbit food".

My grandfather wouldn't eat rice. Never could decide if it was a WWII thing (he was in Europe though) or just didn't like rice.

We eat alot of rice. Wonder what he would think of sushi???

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« Reply #823 on: April 02, 2018, 09:23:07 AM »
I unfollowed someone on Facebook because their posts got incredibly annoying. Multiple posts a day of them in workout gear shilling Beachbody. My wife enjoys Beachbody but just streams it for fairly cheap and doesn't try to sell anything. Unfortunately she also does the shakeology which is obscenely expensive.


Shakeology and beachbody are one in the same as far as MLMs go.

I know they're related but you can purchase beachbody workouts without having to buy the shakes if one is so inclined

And you can buy the shakes without the workout.  Either way you are supporting the company.

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« Reply #824 on: April 02, 2018, 11:09:13 AM »
This is true, as long as your grandparents weren't incredibly xenophobic. My grandpa refused to eat pizza and chop suey, as they were "not real food". Spaghetti was iffy; it was OK only as long as it was Kraft brand with the little shaker of what was labelled "parmesan cheese". He would be appalled at my diet, as many meals are completely meatless (even suppers!), and I eat too much "rabbit food".

My grandfather wouldn't eat rice. Never could decide if it was a WWII thing (he was in Europe though) or just didn't like rice.

We eat alot of rice. Wonder what he would think of sushi???

My grandpa was a Marine in the Pacific Theater. Sushi was what I was specifically thinking of as something I love he'd be absolutely appalled by.

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« Reply #825 on: April 02, 2018, 11:57:45 AM »
I unfollowed someone on Facebook because their posts got incredibly annoying. Multiple posts a day of them in workout gear shilling Beachbody. My wife enjoys Beachbody but just streams it for fairly cheap and doesn't try to sell anything. Unfortunately she also does the shakeology which is obscenely expensive.


Shakeology and beachbody are one in the same as far as MLMs go.

I know they're related but you can purchase beachbody workouts without having to buy the shakes if one is so inclined

And you can buy the shakes without the workout.  Either way you are supporting the company.

Yeah I guess I'm not really getting your point. Same company but different products. If someone likes the beachbody workout they can do it for pretty cheap. The shakes are the ripoff. Should people avoid beachbody even if they enjoy it just to stick it to the company for some reason.
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« Reply #826 on: April 02, 2018, 12:19:51 PM »
I unfollowed someone on Facebook because their posts got incredibly annoying. Multiple posts a day of them in workout gear shilling Beachbody. My wife enjoys Beachbody but just streams it for fairly cheap and doesn't try to sell anything. Unfortunately she also does the shakeology which is obscenely expensive.


Shakeology and beachbody are one in the same as far as MLMs go.

I know they're related but you can purchase beachbody workouts without having to buy the shakes if one is so inclined

And you can buy the shakes without the workout.  Either way you are supporting the company.

Yeah I guess I'm not really getting your point. Same company but different products. If someone likes the beachbody workout they can do it for pretty cheap. The shakes are the ripoff. Should people avoid beachbody even if they enjoy it just to stick it to the company for some reason.

I don't agree with how the company does business. So I don't support them.
That isn't an uncommon line of thinking at all. Many people avoid companies who do business in a way they don't agree with.  I don't shop at Hobby Lobby either. And they aren't an MLM, but I don't like how they conduct business.

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« Reply #827 on: April 02, 2018, 02:38:49 PM »
I've known a few people who sold the shakes and powders over the years. If you ever want to try a response that they've never heard before, my go-to line is "My Hungarian grandmother would turn over in her grave if she found out I ate food powder instead of a proper home-cooked meal." I'm not even lying.

Never eat anything your grandparents wouldn't recognize as food.

This is true, as long as your grandparents weren't incredibly xenophobic. My grandpa refused to eat pizza and chop suey, as they were "not real food". Spaghetti was iffy; it was OK only as long as it was Kraft brand with the little shaker of what was labelled "parmesan cheese". He would be appalled at my diet, as many meals are completely meatless (even suppers!), and I eat too much "rabbit food".

My grandfather wouldn't eat rice. Never could decide if it was a WWII thing (he was in Europe though) or just didn't like rice.

We eat alot of rice. Wonder what he would think of sushi???

My Hungarian grandmother loved sushi - she actually introduced me to it, since I grew up in podunk little villages with no restaurants or ethnic markets (or ethnic people for that matter). She was a pretty adventurous eater in general.

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« Reply #828 on: April 02, 2018, 03:58:02 PM »
I've known a few people who sold the shakes and powders over the years. If you ever want to try a response that they've never heard before, my go-to line is "My Hungarian grandmother would turn over in her grave if she found out I ate food powder instead of a proper home-cooked meal." I'm not even lying.

Never eat anything your grandparents wouldn't recognize as food.

This is true, as long as your grandparents weren't incredibly xenophobic. My grandpa refused to eat pizza and chop suey, as they were "not real food". Spaghetti was iffy; it was OK only as long as it was Kraft brand with the little shaker of what was labelled "parmesan cheese". He would be appalled at my diet, as many meals are completely meatless (even suppers!), and I eat too much "rabbit food".

My grandfather wouldn't eat rice. Never could decide if it was a WWII thing (he was in Europe though) or just didn't like rice.

We eat alot of rice. Wonder what he would think of sushi???

My grandpa was a Marine in the Pacific Theater. Sushi was what I was specifically thinking of as something I love he'd be absolutely appalled by.

My grandmother wouldn't have been familiar with some of the fruits I ate recently in Asia, but she would recognize them as fruit...which means she would understand that they were food.

The adage doesn't say to only eat what your grandparents liked!

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« Reply #829 on: April 02, 2018, 06:33:21 PM »
I unfollowed someone on Facebook because their posts got incredibly annoying. Multiple posts a day of them in workout gear shilling Beachbody. My wife enjoys Beachbody but just streams it for fairly cheap and doesn't try to sell anything. Unfortunately she also does the shakeology which is obscenely expensive.


Shakeology and beachbody are one in the same as far as MLMs go.

I know they're related but you can purchase beachbody workouts without having to buy the shakes if one is so inclined

And you can buy the shakes without the workout.  Either way you are supporting the company.

Yeah I guess I'm not really getting your point. Same company but different products. If someone likes the beachbody workout they can do it for pretty cheap. The shakes are the ripoff. Should people avoid beachbody even if they enjoy it just to stick it to the company for some reason.

There are people who would say yes.  In fact, there's a whole blog somewhere where they expose the "truth" about Beachbody and suggest that you shouldn't do anything to support the company because of their practices.  Kind of like Walmart.

I see the point.  But I like the workouts and the streaming service is $99 a year.  I get good value for that.

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« Reply #830 on: April 02, 2018, 10:32:49 PM »
I see the point.  But I like the workouts and the streaming service is $99 a year.  I get good value for that.

I subscribe to Beachbody streaming workouts for $99 per year, too.  There is a huge library of different workout types, several of which I've tried and liked a lot.  My favorites have been Core de Force, 21 Day Fix, and 21 Day Fix Extreme, but I also like to mix in some of the others on occasion.  I personally think the annual subscription is quite a good deal for someone who plans to actually do the workouts. I'm going to admit here, as well, that I also used to buy the shakes, which I really liked with almond milk, but the price was absolutely ridiculous, so I don't buy them anymore.

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« Reply #831 on: April 03, 2018, 07:04:21 AM »
There are people who would say yes.  In fact, there's a whole blog somewhere where they expose the "truth" about Beachbody and suggest that you shouldn't do anything to support the company because of their practices.  Kind of like Walmart.

Ok, I wasn't aware their practices were that deplorable. I'll have to do some reading on the subject.

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« Reply #832 on: April 03, 2018, 07:26:37 AM »
The adage doesn't say to only eat what your grandparents liked!

No, the original adage was "Never eat anything your grandparents wouldn't recognize as food." My grandfather, because of his intense xenophobia, did not recognize non-northern-European food as food. He understood that things like sushi, pizza or chop suey were edible, but they were not, in his view, "food". Which was my point.

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« Reply #833 on: April 03, 2018, 08:11:25 AM »
I wish I could find a link to the worksheet, but a friend taught English in China. She used an American textbook for her preschool class.
There was a problem that was "circle the thing not like the others".

On a sheet about dinner there was something like a hamburger, an apple, seaweed, and ice cream.

The kids were completely baffled which to circle. Which of these things is not food?

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« Reply #834 on: April 03, 2018, 08:18:48 AM »
I wish I could find a link to the worksheet, but a friend taught English in China. She used an American textbook for her preschool class.
There was a problem that was "circle the thing not like the others".

On a sheet about dinner there was something like a hamburger, an apple, seaweed, and ice cream.

The kids were completely baffled which to circle. Which of these things is not food?

The hamburger, obviously!  The others are all vegetarian ;)

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« Reply #835 on: April 03, 2018, 08:35:57 AM »
The adage doesn't say to only eat what your grandparents liked!

No, the original adage was "Never eat anything your grandparents wouldn't recognize as food." My grandfather, because of his intense xenophobia, did not recognize non-northern-European food as food. He understood that things like sushi, pizza or chop suey were edible, but they were not, in his view, "food". Which was my point.

I wonder if his attitude would have changed if he helped make a homemade pizza in his own kitchen. Maybe not. ;)

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« Reply #836 on: April 03, 2018, 09:41:01 AM »
There are people who would say yes.  In fact, there's a whole blog somewhere where they expose the "truth" about Beachbody and suggest that you shouldn't do anything to support the company because of their practices.  Kind of like Walmart.

Ok, I wasn't aware their practices were that deplorable. I'll have to do some reading on the subject.

Our family doesn't purchase any product from MLM companies anymore because we learned how unethical and deceptive these companies are.  They are the business scum of the modern world.  Some people refer to them as pyramid schemes.  MLMs are much worse.  These ideas (truths) can be found here:

http://www.mlm-thetruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/MLMunmasked-5-1-2017-CURRENT-1.pdf
http://www.pinktruth.com/mary-kay-facts/myth-of-mlm-income-opportunity-99-lose-money-in-mlm/

The first link is a comprehensive read.
The second is shorter but just as good.  (Note: a person needs to check a captcha to be able to access the content.)

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« Reply #837 on: April 03, 2018, 11:12:27 AM »
There are people who would say yes.  In fact, there's a whole blog somewhere where they expose the "truth" about Beachbody and suggest that you shouldn't do anything to support the company because of their practices.  Kind of like Walmart.

Ok, I wasn't aware their practices were that deplorable. I'll have to do some reading on the subject.

It's more the general MLM thing.  You know, the company is very rah rah, and want their coaches to do personal improvement, read books for personal growth, "make a difference", help people get healthy, etc - all laudable goals.

But the fact of the matter is "coaches" make money by selling product, I estimate approx 25%.  So, if you get someone to buy a month of shakes for $130, you get $32.50. 

There's MORE money in signing coaches beneath you.  How much, I don't know, but the "bonuses" depend on what your downline does and sells.  So when the "real" money is in how many people are selling stuff in your downline, it starts to get shady.  And the fact of the matter is, some areas of the country are saturated. Some very successful coaches (as in, quit their day jobs) have ended up quitting because the amount of work went up and the payout went down and the competition went way up.

$130 a month for shakes is ridiculous (even though they are quite tasty - haven't quite found an alternative that is even close).  If you are a coach, you get a 25% discount and if you get someone "below" you, you get 25%, so the cost to produce the shakes has got to be far less than 50% of the sticker price.

I have a few friends who are coaches who "earn" free vacations.  For giggles once, I sat down and tried to figure out what they had to do to earn that (thank you google).  I figured that they essentially had to sign up 2 new people a MONTH for an entire year to earn this free trip.  That's 24 new customers.  NEW customers.  That's a LOT.  Of course it's "free", which means for something like a cruise, you have to pay for flights to get there and a hotel for the night before/after the cruise.  So not really "free".

I'm simply not a fan of the payscale setup.  I think it's fine that they use word of mouth to garner excitement.  Their products are pretty high quality (workouts, cookbooks, meal plans).  A straight-up commission from every sale would be better, IMO.  Not a fan of the pyramid.

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« Reply #838 on: April 03, 2018, 12:21:19 PM »
Building onto mm1970's description of the Beachbody model -- since I already I admitted I do the $99/year streaming workouts and I used to buy the shakes -- I'll share more of what I've seen.  I originally signed up as a "coach" to get the 25% discount, not because I planned to even try selling anything at all.  There was no fee to sign up as a coach, but there was a monthly coach fee you had to pay for "website maintenance" or whatever.  It balanced out evenly so that the 25% I was saving on my shakes was the same monthly amount I had to pay as a coach fee.  Since I did not try to sell anything, I earned $0, and so for the shitty income statistics that you see, I was counted as a coach who earned $0.  Yes, this means many $0 earner coaches get factored into those horrible income statistics.  Anyway, because I signed up as a coach, I was put into different facebook groups with people who were coaches, most of whom were really trying to work the business to make money.  There was a good handful of people who seemed to be very organized and "successful" in making decent-ish money.  But the vast majority made me so sad because they would put hours and hours of effort into this work and only earn a pittance.  I cannot recall the numbers now, but some people actually posted their incomes and commission checks amount, and I just wanted to cry for them.  They were super proud, and I could not help but think that their hourly wage was close to nothing.

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« Reply #839 on: April 03, 2018, 01:35:00 PM »
Building onto mm1970's description of the Beachbody model -- since I already I admitted I do the $99/year streaming workouts and I used to buy the shakes -- I'll share more of what I've seen.  I originally signed up as a "coach" to get the 25% discount, not because I planned to even try selling anything at all.  There was no fee to sign up as a coach, but there was a monthly coach fee you had to pay for "website maintenance" or whatever.  It balanced out evenly so that the 25% I was saving on my shakes was the same monthly amount I had to pay as a coach fee.  Since I did not try to sell anything, I earned $0, and so for the shitty income statistics that you see, I was counted as a coach who earned $0.  Yes, this means many $0 earner coaches get factored into those horrible income statistics.  Anyway, because I signed up as a coach, I was put into different facebook groups with people who were coaches, most of whom were really trying to work the business to make money.  There was a good handful of people who seemed to be very organized and "successful" in making decent-ish money.  But the vast majority made me so sad because they would put hours and hours of effort into this work and only earn a pittance.  I cannot recall the numbers now, but some people actually posted their incomes and commission checks amount, and I just wanted to cry for them.  They were super proud, and I could not help but think that their hourly wage was close to nothing.

In looking at the Income Disclosure statements put out by MLM companies, I've come to understand that $0 earners are not factored into their reports.  Only those in the company that are making commissions regularly are included in the Income Disclosures - this makes the picture slightly more palatable.  I still am shocked however, that well over 97% of people in these companies make well under a typical minimum wage earner, and yet people get sucked into thinking that they are going to fulfill all their dreams.  The reality - they lose money because they buy a product they normally wouldn't - and they waste a ton of time/life to boot.

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« Reply #840 on: April 03, 2018, 02:12:19 PM »
For those who like on demand workout videos but hate contributing to a sleazy MLM company, may I humbly recommend Daily Burn? They have a great variety in their library plus a daily live show with live interaction. They don't sell anything other than the video subscription.

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« Reply #841 on: April 03, 2018, 02:37:22 PM »
For those who like on demand workout videos but hate contributing to a sleazy MLM company, may I humbly recommend Daily Burn? They have a great variety in their library plus a daily live show with live interaction. They don't sell anything other than the video subscription.

Les Mills On Demand (LMOD)is also a good one for workouts.  I took a couple of months to evaluate both Les Mills and Daily Burn and decided to go with LMOD.   

I have a code for 30 free days with LMOD  if anyone wants to try it.  I don't get any incentive if you use my code, it is just a straight offer.

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« Reply #842 on: April 04, 2018, 04:41:18 PM »
Building onto mm1970's description of the Beachbody model -- since I already I admitted I do the $99/year streaming workouts and I used to buy the shakes -- I'll share more of what I've seen.  I originally signed up as a "coach" to get the 25% discount, not because I planned to even try selling anything at all.  There was no fee to sign up as a coach, but there was a monthly coach fee you had to pay for "website maintenance" or whatever.  It balanced out evenly so that the 25% I was saving on my shakes was the same monthly amount I had to pay as a coach fee.  Since I did not try to sell anything, I earned $0, and so for the shitty income statistics that you see, I was counted as a coach who earned $0.  Yes, this means many $0 earner coaches get factored into those horrible income statistics.  Anyway, because I signed up as a coach, I was put into different facebook groups with people who were coaches, most of whom were really trying to work the business to make money.  There was a good handful of people who seemed to be very organized and "successful" in making decent-ish money.  But the vast majority made me so sad because they would put hours and hours of effort into this work and only earn a pittance.  I cannot recall the numbers now, but some people actually posted their incomes and commission checks amount, and I just wanted to cry for them.  They were super proud, and I could not help but think that their hourly wage was close to nothing.

In looking at the Income Disclosure statements put out by MLM companies, I've come to understand that $0 earners are not factored into their reports.  Only those in the company that are making commissions regularly are included in the Income Disclosures - this makes the picture slightly more palatable. I still am shocked however, that well over 97% of people in these companies make well under a typical minimum wage earner, and yet people get sucked into thinking that they are going to fulfill all their dreams.  The reality - they lose money because they buy a product they normally wouldn't - and they waste a ton of time/life to boot.

Right because - there's always those other people who make millions.  Beach body is no different than the other companies - they haul out the successes and tout their incomes and show others what they've done. Some make millions!  Some quit their day jobs!  Some just make enough to stay at home with their kids!

It's kind of why a lot of poor folk in the US vote against their own interests.  The American Dream means SOMEDAY MAYBE I CAN BE A MILLIONAIRE.  Just have to work hard enough and all that.

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« Reply #843 on: April 06, 2018, 12:29:04 PM »
The adage doesn't say to only eat what your grandparents liked!

No, the original adage was "Never eat anything your grandparents wouldn't recognize as food." My grandfather, because of his intense xenophobia, did not recognize non-northern-European food as food. He understood that things like sushi, pizza or chop suey were edible, but they were not, in his view, "food". Which was my point.

To continue the hijack, Michael Pollan has modified it to, "Eat only things that someone's grandparents [or great-grandparents] would recognize as food". The focus is supposed to be on non-processed food or only maybe canned/frozen amounts of processing. Getting into our grandparents' xenophobia wasn't really the point. ;-)

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« Reply #844 on: April 06, 2018, 01:39:15 PM »
The adage doesn't say to only eat what your grandparents liked!

No, the original adage was "Never eat anything your grandparents wouldn't recognize as food." My grandfather, because of his intense xenophobia, did not recognize non-northern-European food as food. He understood that things like sushi, pizza or chop suey were edible, but they were not, in his view, "food". Which was my point.

To continue the hijack, Michael Pollan has modified it to, "Eat only things that someone's grandparents [or great-grandparents] would recognize as food". The focus is supposed to be on non-processed food or only maybe canned/frozen amounts of processing. Getting into our grandparents' xenophobia wasn't really the point. ;-)
Exactly!

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« Reply #845 on: April 09, 2018, 05:59:43 PM »
For those who like on demand workout videos but hate contributing to a sleazy MLM company, may I humbly recommend Daily Burn? They have a great variety in their library plus a daily live show with live interaction. They don't sell anything other than the video subscription.

Les Mills On Demand (LMOD)is also a good one for workouts.  I took a couple of months to evaluate both Les Mills and Daily Burn and decided to go with LMOD.   

I have a code for 30 free days with LMOD  if anyone wants to try it.  I don't get any incentive if you use my code, it is just a straight offer.

YouTube also has a ton of videos, for free. I personally like the "Body Fit by Amy" and "PopSugar Fitness" channels.

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« Reply #846 on: April 10, 2018, 04:31:24 PM »
a former co-worker who lives in germany now just started selling nerium, which is apparently a skincare line la rodan + fields. at first i didn't really understand why she kept posting weird things on facebook when she never had before -- stuff like, "which shoes should i buy for xxxxx's party? a, b, or c? i can't decide!" reading here, though, makes it way more clear. got to beat that big, bad algorithm, right?

now all i need to do is unfollow her on every social media platform so i can stop seeing her clearly scripted posts -- do these MLM sellers not realize that people might notice a difference from their normal, relatively articulate posts and their suddenly peppy posts with nearly every other word interrupted by a corresponding emoji? it's nice for the reader, because it's easy to notice what it is right away and move past the ad, but still. not the best marketing move.

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« Reply #847 on: April 10, 2018, 07:05:31 PM »
do these MLM sellers not realize that people might notice a difference from their normal, relatively articulate posts and their suddenly peppy posts with nearly every other word interrupted by a corresponding emoji? it's nice for the reader, because it's easy to notice what it is right away and move past the ad, but still. not the best marketing move.

The people who create email spam or the bots that troll chat rooms never moved past that either.

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« Reply #848 on: April 11, 2018, 08:54:42 AM »
do these MLM sellers not realize that people might notice a difference from their normal, relatively articulate posts and their suddenly peppy posts with nearly every other word interrupted by a corresponding emoji? it's nice for the reader, because it's easy to notice what it is right away and move past the ad, but still. not the best marketing move.

The people who create email spam or the bots that troll chat rooms never moved past that either.

fair point! i suppose by my same argument, one would assume that this reasonably intelligent acquaintence of mine would recognize a pyramid scheme when she saw one - which clearly also hasn't happened.

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« Reply #849 on: April 11, 2018, 08:15:19 PM »
do these MLM sellers not realize that people might notice a difference from their normal, relatively articulate posts and their suddenly peppy posts with nearly every other word interrupted by a corresponding emoji? it's nice for the reader, because it's easy to notice what it is right away and move past the ad, but still. not the best marketing move.

The people who create email spam or the bots that troll chat rooms never moved past that either.

fair point! i suppose by my same argument, one would assume that this reasonably intelligent acquaintence of mine would recognize a pyramid scheme when she saw one - which clearly also hasn't happened.

Sad, isn't it? I've had to unfollow old friends on Facebook and block group invites because I got sick of the constant shilling for Rodan+Fields, Jamberry, Lularoe, Nerium, 31 Bags, Lipsense...and now an otherwise very intelligent old college friend is selling some new stick-on nail product (her very obviously scripted announcement went up today).