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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #750 on: January 30, 2018, 05:50:40 PM »
So bookstores or libraries aren't an option? An MLM can sell the product better?

Why won't you help women be their own boss? What do you have against entrepreneurs and business owners. You should support Moms trying to be there for their kids.



(Even more fun- Usborne is sold in bookstores too.)

I can't tell if you are trolling iowajes.  (I hope you are.)
The salespersons in MLMs are not bosses.  They are not entrepreneurial.  Nor are they business owners.  And I can say with certainty that they are NOT making money for their family/kids.

Iowajes was just listing every excuse thrown about for not supporting a MLM member.  This is a long thread, but trust me, we've gone into plenty of detail on every one of your points.
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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #751 on: January 30, 2018, 06:46:12 PM »

oh ye gads that is horrible :/ I'm so sorry. A few people I know are into MLMs and have signed up as consultants but none of them pushed their MLM on me when I was going through medical tests and treatment.

An old friend who sells some kind of shake contacted me when I was being treated for vaginal cancer to ask if I had tried raw vegetables.

1.  I already have cancer.  I think it's a bit late for that.
2.  I was having a bad day, and I will admit my answer was not up to my usual level of courtesy.  I asked if I needed to puree the vegetables before putting them in my vagina.

(translation:  fuck off)

I'm sorry you were subjected to that idiocy, but glad for your response. A few months ago I had a similarly crude exchange with a MLM-peddling relative about why her supplements and smoothies wouldn't be helpful in halting an epic IBD flare. It had to be explained to her in rather graphic terms why eating extra vegetables wasn't going to curtail my rapid 40 lb. weight loss, malabsorption, and repeated trips to the hospital for dehydration and hypokalemia.

This same relative is constantly posting stuff on Facebook about how she's never been healthier than since she started using the products she sells. These posts end with appeals to message her if you're interested in beginning your journey into health. Meanwhile, her family knows that she's frequently sick, often for long stretches at a time, because "wellness" gurus have convinced her that illness is essentially a choice you make. So in her mind, she's healthy as long as she believes she is. It leads to fun adventures like a simple case of strep throat spiraling out of control because she distrusts her PCP when he tries to prescribe antibiotics.
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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #752 on: January 31, 2018, 02:39:40 AM »
I am certain that was sarcasm.
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« Reply #753 on: January 31, 2018, 07:05:05 AM »
I am certain that was sarcasm.
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« Reply #754 on: January 31, 2018, 07:46:25 AM »
I didn't think a sarcasm note was needed for this thread, where those topics have been rehashed so many times.  I don't think I could have gotten more obvious.

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« Reply #755 on: January 31, 2018, 08:55:39 AM »
Gotta love being part of an MLM that competes with its own product in brick and mortar stores too. Similar to the Subway franchise stories. Too many stores in a small area so they end up competing with each other. Parent company makes much of its money selling franchises so they want to open more stores.

So will we ever see the collapse of retail b/c there are simply too many places to buy the same things including online?

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« Reply #756 on: January 31, 2018, 06:25:25 PM »
I didn't think a sarcasm note was needed for this thread, where those topics have been rehashed so many times.  I don't think I could have gotten more obvious.


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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #757 on: February 01, 2018, 11:57:25 PM »
Has anyone else been asked out for coffee by a friend and think hey it would be good to catch up only for them to open their ipad/laptop and show you a video on why you should join Dreamtrips/World Ventures and then try to convince you it's not MLM? Happened to me twice. So annoying. I really thought they wanted to catch up. Sigh.
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« Reply #758 on: February 02, 2018, 07:11:02 AM »
Jumping in here without reading the thread fully (the shame)...

My entire FB feed right now is people pimping out their MLMs. Some people are really good at selling/promoting their product. (I don't mind when people share their own good results with a product, and invite people to come check out their business page). Some people are awful. One girl I know is doing some diet/shake MLM..unsure of the product name because she spends most of her time saying things "People get annoyed with me and say this is expensive, but it really isn't that expensive, it is worth it for your health!" WHAT IS "THIS"?? HOW DO I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE PROMOTING??? I had one lady that I used to work with do a group message of ALL of her contacts, no lead in, no product info just "I'm having a fb party for X, let me know if you want in!" I tried to google X and couldn't find anything...pretty sure she misspelled her own product name!

My other MLM story is for a brief moment in time I was a Mary Kay Consultant. I had just finished my engineering degree, was having trouble finding work and was bored out of my tree. I got sucked into a party, then ordered enough product that they convinced me it was a better "deal" to become a consultant. I was a sucker for people telling me I would do a good job at it...and got totally roped in. (Important to note, I'm not a very "girly" person. I barely wear make-up, I'm an engineer who has spent a good chuck of my career wearing coveralls and respirators and steel toe boots.)  I spent (as a unemployed new grad) $800 on the starter kit and a basic stock pile and was told I would sell out SO QUICKLY. I started going to the weekly regional meetings, and learned how to be a proper consultant. Very quickly I realized this was not for me, but kept going because I was enthralled with seeing this cult like organization take advantage of women.

Some highlights:
-We got points at each meeting depending on how much we were representing the brand. Criteria included: Wearing a dress or skirt (pants are a STILL a NO-NO in MK world), having hair/nails/makeup perfect. Having a clean car. (I failed then, I would 100% fail now.) I get that this is an image/makeup company, but the level of "being a lady" was insane. We were taught how to sit properly, and shake hands "like a lady"...it was finishing school disguised as career advice.
-Senior consultants get % of stock purchases of their jrs (woo pyramid scheme). They really give two flying fs about your own sales, and push buying more stock. They "reward" people who have big purchases with quarterly prizes, like diamond rings. I overheard one woman say she was so excited to get her ring that quarter, but now had to figure out what to do with the $4000 worth of stock, and the debt on her credit card.
- The level of effort for a jr consultant is insane. You spend HOURS making your own promotional material, finding clients, setting up parties etc. An amazing party would maybe make $300. If you dollar cost average it you are looking at minimum wage MAX. But hey "I'm my own boss!!" ..blech.
- The rhetoric is that Mary Kay was built by a woman who was sick and tired of gender biases in the 1960s. She wanted a company to empower women. The meetings are all about girl power, and PINK power, and being a lady..and taking charge of your own life. When I was a consultant in 2011, the board of directors and executive team were mostly men. No one brought that up at the weekly meetings!  (It has changed now, a little more diverse, but the president, CEO and 4/5 of the key executives are still men).

I also had a really hard time selling products to people who really couldn't afford the products. I did two parties in my time, one for other new grads like myself who had student debt and NO MONEY...how am I suppose to promote a $35 lipstick!  Next party was in a rural area with a bunch of high school students and their moms. Not to judge, but for sure these families should not have been buying expensive makeup and skin care. Between gas money and travel costs to get to that party, I think my "net" was $3.25. So not worth it!!

Luckily I moved away from the city I hand been doing this in and used the move as an excuse to break free! I'm laughing now if I had stuck with it for a little while longer, and ran into a meeting after a day of site work, sweaty, hair in a messy ponytail, wearing work coveralls...I would have been kicked out.

I 100% gifted away or used the starter kit products myself. So really over the past 7 years I've spent $800 on makeup and skin care...could have been a worse loss :P.

TL;DR, was a MLM consultant. Don't do it..its a trap.






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« Reply #759 on: February 02, 2018, 07:25:22 AM »
Meanwhile, her family knows that she's frequently sick, often for long stretches at a time, because "wellness" gurus have convinced her that illness is essentially a choice you make. So in her mind, she's healthy as long as she believes she is. It leads to fun adventures like a simple case of strep throat spiraling out of control because she distrusts her PCP when he tries to prescribe antibiotics.

My cousin had a similar mindset. By the time she went into the emergency room, her mysterious long-lived pain was revealed as cancer that had already metastasized.

After her diagnosis, she spent months ignoring her oncologist, eating "magic" fruit of some kind and using crystals to "cure" herself. Needless to say, she ended up begging her oncologist to perform surgery and start the chemo and radiation. By that point it was too late, her body was too weak to survive surgery, and she had to go into hospice care. She was 54 when she died.

"Alternative medicine" and the MLMs that push it really do kill people.

<s> But you know, doctors are just in it for the money. </s>

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« Reply #760 on: February 02, 2018, 07:25:26 AM »
Has anyone else been asked out for coffee by a friend and think hey it would be good to catch up only for them to open their ipad/laptop and show you a video on why you should join Dreamtrips/World Ventures and then try to convince you it's not MLM? Happened to me twice. So annoying. I really thought they wanted to catch up. Sigh.


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« Reply #761 on: February 02, 2018, 09:07:35 AM »
Meanwhile, her family knows that she's frequently sick, often for long stretches at a time, because "wellness" gurus have convinced her that illness is essentially a choice you make. So in her mind, she's healthy as long as she believes she is. It leads to fun adventures like a simple case of strep throat spiraling out of control because she distrusts her PCP when he tries to prescribe antibiotics.

My cousin had a similar mindset. By the time she went into the emergency room, her mysterious long-lived pain was revealed as cancer that had already metastasized.

After her diagnosis, she spent months ignoring her oncologist, eating "magic" fruit of some kind and using crystals to "cure" herself. Needless to say, she ended up begging her oncologist to perform surgery and start the chemo and radiation. By that point it was too late, her body was too weak to survive surgery, and she had to go into hospice care. She was 54 when she died.

"Alternative medicine" and the MLMs that push it really do kill people.

<s> But you know, doctors are just in it for the money. </s>

I had a friend do this. She had breast cancer, went through chemo and it was awful (as chemo always is), but she came out with the cancer in remission. It was that way for years. A few years later when the cancer came back she passed on chemo because it was so bad and was convinced that anti-oxidants and clean eating and crystals would do better with fewer side effects. She was 50 when she died.

Granted, I will acknowledge that chemo and radiation are hell and it can make sense to skip them if it's a pallative or short-term gain scenario. (Trade quantity of life for quality.) But that requires that the patient is honest with themselves.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #762 on: February 02, 2018, 04:44:37 PM »
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- The rhetoric is that Mary Kay was built by a woman who was sick and tired of gender biases in the 1960s. She wanted a company to empower women. The meetings are all about girl power, and PINK power, and being a lady..and taking charge of your own life. When I was a consultant in 2011, the board of directors and executive team were mostly men. No one brought that up at the weekly meetings!  (It has changed now, a little more diverse, but the president, CEO and 4/5 of the key executives are still men).

I also had a really hard time selling products to people who really couldn't afford the products. I did two parties in my time, one for other new grads like myself who had student debt and NO MONEY...how am I suppose to promote a $35 lipstick!  Next party was in a rural area with a bunch of high school students and their moms. Not to judge, but for sure these families should not have been buying expensive makeup and skin care. Between gas money and travel costs to get to that party, I think my "net" was $3.25. So not worth it!!

Luckily I moved away from the city I hand been doing this in and used the move as an excuse to break free! I'm laughing now if I had stuck with it for a little while longer, and ran into a meeting after a day of site work, sweaty, hair in a messy ponytail, wearing work coveralls...I would have been kicked out.

Girl POWER!  Looking pretty!!

As I sit at my desk in engineering land, hair in a ponytail.  Graying, of course, wrinkles and pimples.  No makeup (being 47 is GRAND).  Jeans, sneakers and t shirt and a hoodie.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #763 on: February 03, 2018, 04:44:03 AM »
Girl POWER!  Looking pretty!!

As I sit at my desk in engineering land, hair in a ponytail.  Graying, of course, wrinkles and pimples.  No makeup (being 47 is GRAND).  Jeans, sneakers and t shirt and a hoodie.

Love it!  I've been approached by well-meaning MLM'ers for offers of 'makeovers', because of course I 'NEED' makeup to 'look and feel my best'.  Meh, I 'look and feel' my best without war-paint, tyvm!

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #764 on: February 03, 2018, 05:11:39 AM »
Meanwhile, her family knows that she's frequently sick, often for long stretches at a time, because "wellness" gurus have convinced her that illness is essentially a choice you make. So in her mind, she's healthy as long as she believes she is. It leads to fun adventures like a simple case of strep throat spiraling out of control because she distrusts her PCP when he tries to prescribe antibiotics.

My cousin had a similar mindset. By the time she went into the emergency room, her mysterious long-lived pain was revealed as cancer that had already metastasized.

After her diagnosis, she spent months ignoring her oncologist, eating "magic" fruit of some kind and using crystals to "cure" herself. Needless to say, she ended up begging her oncologist to perform surgery and start the chemo and radiation. By that point it was too late, her body was too weak to survive surgery, and she had to go into hospice care. She was 54 when she died.

"Alternative medicine" and the MLMs that push it really do kill people.

<s> But you know, doctors are just in it for the money. </s>

I'm so sorry for your loss.  That story is just so sad. 

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« Reply #765 on: February 03, 2018, 09:35:24 AM »
Girl POWER!  Looking pretty!!

As I sit at my desk in engineering land, hair in a ponytail.  Graying, of course, wrinkles and pimples.  No makeup (being 47 is GRAND).  Jeans, sneakers and t shirt and a hoodie.

Love it!  I've been approached by well-meaning MLM'ers for offers of 'makeovers', because of course I 'NEED' makeup to 'look and feel my best'.  Meh, I 'look and feel' my best without war-paint, tyvm!

I hated that face grease even when I was younger. The chemistry of my skin is a bit different and makeup tends to flake or melt off almost immediately when it isn't causing cystic acne. I found that when I went completely without makeup as a teen my complexion improved. So I tossed the face grease and never looked back. The thought that I was saving a ton of money never crossed my mind at the time-- I didn't notice the double-X chromosome tax until someone pointed it out to me-- but in retrospect I suppose I saved a bundle.
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« Reply #766 on: February 03, 2018, 02:17:16 PM »
I'm so sorry for your loss.  That story is just so sad.

Thanks. It's been a decade, so the family has had time to heal or paper over the feelings of guilt, depending on who it is. I've just maintained a virulent intolerance toward alternative "medicine", though I try to not froth at the mouth excessively.

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« Reply #767 on: February 03, 2018, 08:50:24 PM »
The alternative medicine discussion here made me start this thread to further the discussion outside of MLM:
https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/welcome-to-the-forum/alternative-medicine-and-other-healthcare-stupidity/


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« Reply #768 on: February 05, 2018, 08:12:41 AM »
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This same relative is constantly posting stuff on Facebook about how she's never been healthier than since she started using the products she sells. These posts end with appeals to message her if you're interested in beginning your journey into health. Meanwhile, her family knows that she's frequently sick, often for long stretches at a time, because "wellness" gurus have convinced her that illness is essentially a choice you make. So in her mind, she's healthy as long as she believes she is. ...
Ugh, I have a friend like this.  She calls herself a "wellness advocate" for her MLM and has been doing it for years.  Yet, her husband is still one of the unhealthiest people I know.  Obese, no exercise, etc, and I think it's only gotten worse since she started her business.  If her own family isn't influenced by her "wellness" efforts, what can it possibly do for someone else?

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« Reply #769 on: February 05, 2018, 10:14:46 AM »
Girl POWER!  Looking pretty!!

As I sit at my desk in engineering land, hair in a ponytail.  Graying, of course, wrinkles and pimples.  No makeup (being 47 is GRAND).  Jeans, sneakers and t shirt and a hoodie.

Female engineers unite! Jeans, sneakers, t-shirt, natural-going-gray hair, no makeup here. Although, I am wearing earrings today...fancy. If I wear makeup or nicer clothes to work it makes the male engineers nervous and concerned that I'm interviewing. I discovered that last year when I dressed nicely to attend a funeral midday. :(

I have a friend who I really like who just got sucked into an MLM, Arbonne? I think it's one of those diet/"wellness" ones. Sigh. It has been awhile since I've come across one IRL. I hope it's short lived.

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« Reply #770 on: February 05, 2018, 10:25:57 AM »
Every time I have an old friend who I haven't seen in years who wants to come over to "catch up" it's been a MLM. EVERY TIME.

Life Leadership was the worst. "You don't want to be rich and successful??" NO.

The only time I would sell something to a personal friend is if I had a no-nonsense business like Ron Swanson's Very Good Building and Construction.

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« Reply #771 on: February 05, 2018, 12:34:37 PM »
I have a friend who I really like who just got sucked into an MLM, Arbonne? I think it's one of those diet/"wellness" ones. Sigh. It has been awhile since I've come across one IRL. I hope it's short lived.

DW is an Arbonne distributor, but doesn't actually use it for anything other than getting a discount on stuff for our household.  I like the basic products (moisturizer, aftershave, etc.); she likes them more.  They are kind of spendy, depending on your definition of spendy, but people are particular about health and beauty products, so ....

There is definitely stuff in their catalogue that is nutty woo-woo and really overpriced.  And if you are unlucky enough to really drink the Kool-Aid, then you'll get the typical high-pressure MLM tactics.  So far she's avoided all that.  Knock on wood.

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« Reply #772 on: February 05, 2018, 03:20:12 PM »
Life Leadership was the worst. "You don't want to be rich and successful??" NO. YES. That's why I'm not throwing any money away on Life Leadership.

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« Reply #773 on: February 05, 2018, 04:02:16 PM »
I have a friend who I really like who just got sucked into an MLM, Arbonne? I think it's one of those diet/"wellness" ones. Sigh. It has been awhile since I've come across one IRL. I hope it's short lived.

DW is an Arbonne distributor, but doesn't actually use it for anything other than getting a discount on stuff for our household.  I like the basic products (moisturizer, aftershave, etc.); she likes them more.  They are kind of spendy, depending on your definition of spendy, but people are particular about health and beauty products, so ....

There is definitely stuff in their catalogue that is nutty woo-woo and really overpriced.  And if you are unlucky enough to really drink the Kool-Aid, then you'll get the typical high-pressure MLM tactics.  So far she's avoided all that.  Knock on wood.

My wife used to purchase Arbonne (and a couple of other MLM) products because she liked them. 
After learning how deceptive, immoral, and unethical the MLM companies are, we refuse to purchase their products.  Some people say that MLMs are pyramid schemes.  I think they are worse.  (90% of those in Pyramid schemes lose money.  99% of MLMers lose money.)  We will spend twice as much on a product from a non-MLM company, rather than purchase products produced by MLMs.  (For example, instead of Young Living EOs, we've have bought Living Libations, as well as others that don't cost quite that much!)

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« Reply #774 on: February 05, 2018, 05:32:37 PM »
Girl POWER!  Looking pretty!!

As I sit at my desk in engineering land, hair in a ponytail.  Graying, of course, wrinkles and pimples.  No makeup (being 47 is GRAND).  Jeans, sneakers and t shirt and a hoodie.

Female engineers unite! Jeans, sneakers, t-shirt, natural-going-gray hair, no makeup here. Although, I am wearing earrings today...fancy. If I wear makeup or nicer clothes to work it makes the male engineers nervous and concerned that I'm interviewing. I discovered that last year when I dressed nicely to attend a funeral midday. :(

I have a friend who I really like who just got sucked into an MLM, Arbonne? I think it's one of those diet/"wellness" ones. Sigh. It has been awhile since I've come across one IRL. I hope it's short lived.
Yes.  I gave up wheat and lost just enough weight that none of my jeans fit except the holey ones.  So I pulled out a couple of pairs of old dress pants. Oh boy do I get the looks and the questions.  There were definitely interview concerns, but hey, worked in my favor.

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« Reply #775 on: February 05, 2018, 10:12:57 PM »
Girl POWER!  Looking pretty!!

As I sit at my desk in engineering land, hair in a ponytail.  Graying, of course, wrinkles and pimples.  No makeup (being 47 is GRAND).  Jeans, sneakers and t shirt and a hoodie.

Female engineers unite! Jeans, sneakers, t-shirt, natural-going-gray hair, no makeup here. Although, I am wearing earrings today...fancy. If I wear makeup or nicer clothes to work it makes the male engineers nervous and concerned that I'm interviewing. I discovered that last year when I dressed nicely to attend a funeral midday. :(

I have a friend who I really like who just got sucked into an MLM, Arbonne? I think it's one of those diet/"wellness" ones. Sigh. It has been awhile since I've come across one IRL. I hope it's short lived.
Yes.  I gave up wheat and lost just enough weight that none of my jeans fit except the holey ones.  So I pulled out a couple of pairs of old dress pants. Oh boy do I get the looks and the questions.  There were definitely interview concerns, but hey, worked in my favor.


I'm sure there will be much fear that I'm interviewing if I ever again wear anything to work besides cargo pants and either hiking boots or combat boots. Seems unlikely, unless, you know, I have a job interview. The college president has seen my combat boots now, so no reason to dress up for a meeting.

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« Reply #780 on: February 15, 2018, 02:46:30 PM »
Yesterday on my local community FB page, a woman posted about Avon. I hid her from my feed. Today a different woman posted about youngevity. She started her post with a negative comment towards Avon. I hid her as well. Not only is she deluded but she's a bully as well. Sad and pathetic.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #781 on: February 15, 2018, 02:57:31 PM »
I actually got pitched last week by a friend on a MLM scheme, in which the plan is selling Financial Advisory services and yes...Annuities....double ug!  Heaps of money to be made, iif I only advise others to follow investments I woukd never advise myself...

My reply was that the proposal sounded like work...and that I had retired to stop working.
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