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« Reply #600 on: November 07, 2017, 10:54:20 AM »
Someone on my facebook page just posted that she has 50 pairs of Lularoe leggings.  She buys from a current dealer, so she's paying full price ($25 each), although I do know she got a couple pairs free.  Even if she got 10 pairs free, that's still $1k in leggings.  She also has several of the shirts (some are $50 full price), and I think she even got one of the jean jackets (crazy expensive for what it is).  She doesn't work (on disability).  I guess at least she is not getting on board to sell them herself?

I want to message her and tell her to look for them through the people "going out of business" so that she can get them for < $14 instead (and some for <$10).  But... I kind of don't want to engage.  So, I'm going with "not my place" and staying out of it.

I tried to tell a friend about buying that stuff on ebay for less. She said she had to have "brand new". I tried to explain you could get brand new on ebay from dealers who are going out of business. She wouldn't listen. So I gave up. It's her money and she wants to waste it, fine.

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« Reply #601 on: November 07, 2017, 01:13:38 PM »
Someone on my facebook page just posted that she has 50 pairs of Lularoe leggings.  She buys from a current dealer, so she's paying full price ($25 each), although I do know she got a couple pairs free.  Even if she got 10 pairs free, that's still $1k in leggings.  She also has several of the shirts (some are $50 full price), and I think she even got one of the jean jackets (crazy expensive for what it is).  She doesn't work (on disability).  I guess at least she is not getting on board to sell them herself?

I want to message her and tell her to look for them through the people "going out of business" so that she can get them for < $14 instead (and some for <$10).  But... I kind of don't want to engage.  So, I'm going with "not my place" and staying out of it.

I tried to tell a friend about buying that stuff on ebay for less. She said she had to have "brand new". I tried to explain you could get brand new on ebay from dealers who are going out of business. She wouldn't listen. So I gave up. It's her money and she wants to waste it, fine.

Yeah, the market is completely flooded (even though it's pretty "brand new" to our area).  You can get the same exact leggings from someone else, brand new, for less than half the price...


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« Reply #602 on: November 07, 2017, 01:15:47 PM »
Someone on my facebook page just posted that she has 50 pairs of Lularoe leggings.  She buys from a current dealer, so she's paying full price ($25 each), although I do know she got a couple pairs free.  Even if she got 10 pairs free, that's still $1k in leggings.  She also has several of the shirts (some are $50 full price), and I think she even got one of the jean jackets (crazy expensive for what it is).  She doesn't work (on disability).  I guess at least she is not getting on board to sell them herself?

I want to message her and tell her to look for them through the people "going out of business" so that she can get them for < $14 instead (and some for <$10).  But... I kind of don't want to engage.  So, I'm going with "not my place" and staying out of it.

For that amount of money, I can get business attire to last three full years including the shoes.

Disability is weird, though. You're not allowed to save or accumulate significant amounts of money. If you scrape together enough for, say, an inexpensive $5,000 vehicle the benefits are cut.

Edited to add: this is why there's actually a financial incentive to put windfalls or savings into belongings.

Disability is definitely weird...  I think her parent's own her place, so she doesn't have rent/mortgage, so most of her money goes to utilities, her animals, and "treating herself".  I think she is still trying to get off the disability and find a job though, as she's pretty isolated.

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« Reply #603 on: November 07, 2017, 02:31:36 PM »
Leggings related note: heard a young lady wearing them complaining yesterday that her legs were cold, even though winter hasn't really started yet.

Maybe LLR should start selling actual pants for these people.

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« Reply #604 on: November 07, 2017, 02:48:13 PM »
Ha! I was listening to yesterday's Dave Ramsey podcast; a guy called in to say that his wife was grossing $200k+ from selling Lularoe and he was wondering if it was a good idea for him to quit his $50k/year job as a mechanic to help her with her business.

My eyebrows climbed up my forehead. Run! Run away from Lularoe!!

Dave expressed, you guessed it, guarded skepticism, led the guy through some standard questioning, and then at the end, finally said--that's a multi-level marketing scheme, I wouldn't quit my day job yet. You said how much she's grossing--what's her net profit? Sounds like you guys are caught up in hype.

The guy started stammering about how it's not really an MLM and Dave shut him down. Just admit it! It's an MLM.

Aaaand that's why I'm an english teacher and Dave Ramsey is a radio personality. I wouldn't even be able to entertain the call for three seconds.

I don't believe the man's story about his wife making 200K even if she's not including her business expenses. I think the guy might even be a plant for the failing Lularoe business. That's pretty clever of Lularoe, though. Got to hand it to them.

But yes, it's common people in MLM will state they earn a certain amount, and they do - but they don't include their business expenses or how much they spent on the inventory.

Well, looks like there may be a little life left in Lularoe.  They are coming out very soon with the LuLaRoe Color Collection: NOIR.  It's an all black capsule of their classic pieces.  People love black and I can see a big up tick in sales because of this.  Comments on a LaLaRoe buying group about this include: Eeeeeekkkkssss!!!!, Yep, now I'm in trouble, I need this, Yes!!!, I will knock down doors of local girls who get these Julia's in my size, Well it's about damn time; I would cut someone for a black Sarah, Gah!  Neeeeed These!!!.

I still have zero interest in buying any of it. 

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« Reply #606 on: November 08, 2017, 02:17:09 PM »
I was scoping out a local (NJ) Women's Expo for my business last month.  It is basically an expo for women to shop.  There were a couple hundred booths set up with things such as jewelry, skincare, oils, tarot readers, hair care, some clothes, and various things like that.  There were not 1, not 2, but 3 LaLaRue booths!!  And one of them was a giant booth that took up two spaces.  Each space is $750 to rent for 2 days.  Crazy!    ...and there were customers in their booths.

There was also a huge section for a clothing brand where everyone was just standing around waiting for customers (so they could pounce!).  But no one was going over there - it was too intimidating.  I think the brand was Matilda Jane???

Not my clientele, but, anyway, thought of this thread.....

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« Reply #607 on: November 08, 2017, 02:18:39 PM »
There was also a huge section for a clothing brand where everyone was just standing around waiting for customers (so they could pounce!).  But no one was going over there - it was too intimidating.  I think the brand was Matilda Jane???

Not my clientele, but, anyway, thought of this thread.....

Matilda Jane = ridiculously over-priced, overly-frilled, pretentious children's clothing.

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« Reply #608 on: November 08, 2017, 02:31:10 PM »
My facebook is blowing up over the black LLR. I wonder if it will all be sold grab bag style so consultants can get rid of their ugly crap.

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« Reply #609 on: November 08, 2017, 02:45:48 PM »
Here's another sad and terrifying deep-dive into MLM insanity:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/09/how-essential-oils-became-the-cure-for-our-age-of-anxiety

I've seen this before.  There is some awful stuff in there, and somehow we are supposed to trust these people?  But, for the MLM and earning money part, this quote is definitely the standard I set for a job... "I went from making zero dollars a month to over zero dollars a month." <insert eyeroll>

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« Reply #610 on: November 08, 2017, 03:17:51 PM »
Here's another sad and terrifying deep-dive into MLM insanity:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/09/how-essential-oils-became-the-cure-for-our-age-of-anxiety

I've seen this before.  There is some awful stuff in there, and somehow we are supposed to trust these people?  But, for the MLM and earning money part, this quote is definitely the standard I set for a job... "I went from making zero dollars a month to over zero dollars a month." <insert eyeroll>

"rub three times in a circular clockwise pattern [in your palm] to activate the electrical properties of the oil that aligns you DNA"   (paraphrased).

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« Reply #611 on: November 08, 2017, 03:23:12 PM »
Here's another sad and terrifying deep-dive into MLM insanity:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/09/how-essential-oils-became-the-cure-for-our-age-of-anxiety

I've seen this before.  There is some awful stuff in there, and somehow we are supposed to trust these people?  But, for the MLM and earning money part, this quote is definitely the standard I set for a job... "I went from making zero dollars a month to over zero dollars a month." <insert eyeroll>

"rub three times in a circular clockwise pattern [in your palm] to activate the electrical properties of the oil that aligns you DNA"   (paraphrased).

If the oil is in my left palm, and I rub with my right palm in a clockwise pattern, isn't my left hand essentially rubbing counterclockwise? Won't that counteract the electrical properties of the oil and confuse my DNA?

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« Reply #612 on: November 08, 2017, 03:23:20 PM »
One of these essential oils salespeople went on  a FB group I was in, when a mom posted that her child had pinkeye. She actually told her it would be okay to put EOs in the child's eye, that certain oils would "cure" eye infections.  Is that scary or what? I'd never risk putting something in my child's eye without a MEDICAL DOCTOR'S approval.

It was a frugal facebook group that I'm a member of and these women were trying to save money on doctor bills. Although I am frugal when it comes to many things, I don't take chances with my child's health.

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« Reply #613 on: November 08, 2017, 03:33:40 PM »
Here's another sad and terrifying deep-dive into MLM insanity:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/09/how-essential-oils-became-the-cure-for-our-age-of-anxiety

I've seen this before.  There is some awful stuff in there, and somehow we are supposed to trust these people?  But, for the MLM and earning money part, this quote is definitely the standard I set for a job... "I went from making zero dollars a month to over zero dollars a month." <insert eyeroll>

"rub three times in a circular clockwise pattern [in your palm] to activate the electrical properties of the oil that aligns you DNA"   (paraphrased).

If the oil is in my left palm, and I rub with my right palm in a clockwise pattern, isn't my left hand essentially rubbing counterclockwise? Won't that counteract the electrical properties of the oil and confuse my DNA?



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« Reply #614 on: November 08, 2017, 03:46:42 PM »
There were not 1, not 2, but 3 LaLaRue booths!!  And one of them was a giant booth that took up two spaces.  Each space is $750 to rent for 2 days.  Crazy!    ...and there were customers in their booths.


Were they at least selling different things?  This seems to be the main problem with the MLM business model in a nutshell - distributors so local they're leaching from each other.
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« Reply #615 on: November 08, 2017, 03:58:06 PM »
There were not 1, not 2, but 3 LaLaRue booths!!  And one of them was a giant booth that took up two spaces.  Each space is $750 to rent for 2 days.  Crazy!    ...and there were customers in their booths.


Were they at least selling different things?  This seems to be the main problem with the MLM business model in a nutshell - distributors so local they're leaching from each other.

The way LLR is set up, the distributor only has choice on size and style, no control over print, they just get what they are sent.  So, it's likely that the prints were different, but the actual clothes were the same.  It's how the company has developed a "rush" on certain patterns, etc.  They claim to make only 1k or 5k items of each print.

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« Reply #616 on: November 08, 2017, 04:17:25 PM »
One of these essential oils salespeople went on  a FB group I was in, when a mom posted that her child had pinkeye. She actually told her it would be okay to put EOs in the child's eye, that certain oils would "cure" eye infections.  Is that scary or what? I'd never risk putting something in my child's eye without a MEDICAL DOCTOR'S approval.

It was a frugal facebook group that I'm a member of and these women were trying to save money on doctor bills. Although I am frugal when it comes to many things, I don't take chances with my child's health.
They aren't selling anything but same in the breastfeeding community. Anything wrong with the kid? Throw breastmilk on it. Pink eye, diaper rash, baby acne, cuts and bruises.

Never throw out expired milk. Put it in the bath instead.

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« Reply #617 on: November 08, 2017, 06:44:19 PM »
One of these essential oils salespeople went on  a FB group I was in, when a mom posted that her child had pinkeye. She actually told her it would be okay to put EOs in the child's eye, that certain oils would "cure" eye infections.  Is that scary or what? I'd never risk putting something in my child's eye without a MEDICAL DOCTOR'S approval.

It was a frugal facebook group that I'm a member of and these women were trying to save money on doctor bills. Although I am frugal when it comes to many things, I don't take chances with my child's health.
They aren't selling anything but same in the breastfeeding community. Anything wrong with the kid? Throw breastmilk on it. Pink eye, diaper rash, baby acne, cuts and bruises.


I've seen the same, claiming that breastmilk can cure "anything" (not true).

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« Reply #618 on: November 08, 2017, 07:28:59 PM »
Here's another sad and terrifying deep-dive into MLM insanity:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/09/how-essential-oils-became-the-cure-for-our-age-of-anxiety

I've seen this before.  There is some awful stuff in there, and somehow we are supposed to trust these people?  But, for the MLM and earning money part, this quote is definitely the standard I set for a job... "I went from making zero dollars a month to over zero dollars a month." <insert eyeroll>

"rub three times in a circular clockwise pattern [in your palm] to activate the electrical properties of the oil that aligns you DNA"   (paraphrased).

I was really hoping that "paraphrased" meant "exaggerated," but alas. Same with "more than zero dollars per month"...

You have to wonder how many people at the tops of these things genuinely believe the crap they're selling versus know they can manipulate people into making them rich. Accidentally killing your own infant daughter because you thought you knew how to birth a baby better than a doctor is pretty serious dedication.

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« Reply #619 on: November 08, 2017, 07:36:46 PM »
One of these essential oils salespeople went on  a FB group I was in, when a mom posted that her child had pinkeye. She actually told her it would be okay to put EOs in the child's eye, that certain oils would "cure" eye infections.  Is that scary or what? I'd never risk putting something in my child's eye without a MEDICAL DOCTOR'S approval.

It was a frugal facebook group that I'm a member of and these women were trying to save money on doctor bills. Although I am frugal when it comes to many things, I don't take chances with my child's health.
They aren't selling anything but same in the breastfeeding community. Anything wrong with the kid? Throw breastmilk on it. Pink eye, diaper rash, baby acne, cuts and bruises.


I've seen the same, claiming that breastmilk can cure "anything" (not true).

Crazy! And it reminds me of those placenta pills that I see a number of my MLM friends have bought into. Maybe someone already posted about that here? I can't remember.  http://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/health/ct-cdc-warns-against-placenta-pills-20170706-story.html

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« Reply #620 on: November 08, 2017, 07:51:51 PM »
What did I even just read?? I mean I know that the sellers believe that essential oils are chemical free, but do they know this guy is a certifiable, criminal, nut case?!

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« Reply #621 on: November 08, 2017, 08:47:56 PM »
I was scoping out a local (NJ) Women's Expo for my business last month.  It is basically an expo for women to shop.  There were a couple hundred booths set up with things such as jewelry, skincare, oils, tarot readers, hair care, some clothes, and various things like that.  There were not 1, not 2, but 3 LaLaRue booths!!  And one of them was a giant booth that took up two spaces.  Each space is $750 to rent for 2 days.  Crazy!    ...and there were customers in their booths.
As someone who goes to a fair number of expos/conferences/conventions as an exhibitor, I can tell you that $750 for a 10x10 booth is actually on the cheap end of things.  Depending on what show we're at, it can be three times that cost.  Of course, all those MLM sellers are hoping to make back not only their $750, but the cost of the goods they're selling, and then make enough money to take something home.  I find it a bit hard to believe they made a profit :)

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« Reply #622 on: November 09, 2017, 06:55:18 AM »
Has anyone seen the latest MLM, Xyngular? I have friends who have recently started this weight loss MLM and are now hawking it everywhere. One girl, who has been quite overweight for some time, posted on Facebook that she lost 7 POUNDS in the first TWO days. I have to assume this stuff is just some horrific combination of diuretics and laxatives.

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« Reply #623 on: November 09, 2017, 07:17:32 AM »
I feel like I need to come clean here- yesterday a FB friend who sells LuLaRoe posted a really cute OOTD. If she would have sold me just the skirt without shipping costs, I would have bought it.
There. I feel better now.

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« Reply #624 on: November 09, 2017, 07:33:12 AM »
LLR - I'm watching this from afar b/c DW has no interest in them our girly relatives don't live in our town. 

Question: there aren't any other brands that offer the same kind of clothing for similar or lower prices?

Essential oils: I don't want to apply anything to my body that will fool around with my DNA (I know it really doesn't). Why doesn't that sound risky to the people who believe in the sales spiel? Why doesn't that sound like something that could be risky?

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« Reply #625 on: November 09, 2017, 08:40:18 AM »
What did I even just read?? I mean I know that the sellers believe that essential oils are chemical free, but do they know this guy is a certifiable, criminal, nut case?!
That's why some of them split off and formed doTerra.

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« Reply #626 on: November 09, 2017, 10:21:20 AM »
LLR - I'm watching this from afar b/c DW has no interest in them our girly relatives don't live in our town. 

Question: there aren't any other brands that offer the same kind of clothing for similar or lower prices?

Essential oils: I don't want to apply anything to my body that will fool around with my DNA (I know it really doesn't). Why doesn't that sound risky to the people who believe in the sales spiel? Why doesn't that sound like something that could be risky?

DNA has become yet another marketing term.  It's either used to invoke the devil (GMOs put DNA in your food!) or described as a superficially relevant organ such as this "oils" business.  I'm sure there's an MLM that asks you to eat their food because it "cleanses" your DNA (as if the building blocks of your body were the same as fish tank water).
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« Reply #627 on: November 09, 2017, 10:30:29 AM »
Essential oils: I don't want to apply anything to my body that will fool around with my DNA (I know it really doesn't). Why doesn't that sound risky to the people who believe in the sales spiel? Why doesn't that sound like something that could be risky?

Right??? Messing with your DNA is how you get cancer!

There was some anti-GMO campaign a while back (which honestly may have been satirical, I'm not sure) lobbying to label all foods with DNA in them. Friends and I had a good laugh trying to figure out what foods don't have DNA in them. Salt and water is all I've got - assuming both are free of microorganisms, of course. Perhaps blood, if you were to filter out the immune cells (mammalian red blood cells don't have nuceli or mitochondria). So I guess vampires are safe.

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« Reply #628 on: November 09, 2017, 10:35:24 AM »
One of these essential oils salespeople went on  a FB group I was in, when a mom posted that her child had pinkeye. She actually told her it would be okay to put EOs in the child's eye, that certain oils would "cure" eye infections.  Is that scary or what? I'd never risk putting something in my child's eye without a MEDICAL DOCTOR'S approval.

It was a frugal facebook group that I'm a member of and these women were trying to save money on doctor bills. Although I am frugal when it comes to many things, I don't take chances with my child's health.
They aren't selling anything but same in the breastfeeding community. Anything wrong with the kid? Throw breastmilk on it. Pink eye, diaper rash, baby acne, cuts and bruises.


I've seen the same, claiming that breastmilk can cure "anything" (not true).
Hey, but when I was nursing kid #2, one of my neighbors' kids had an eye infection.  She gave me half a dozen eggs from her chickens in exchange for some extra milk.  I won that trade!

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« Reply #629 on: November 09, 2017, 12:47:05 PM »
Here's another sad and terrifying deep-dive into MLM insanity:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/09/how-essential-oils-became-the-cure-for-our-age-of-anxiety

I've seen this before.  There is some awful stuff in there, and somehow we are supposed to trust these people?  But, for the MLM and earning money part, this quote is definitely the standard I set for a job... "I went from making zero dollars a month to over zero dollars a month." <insert eyeroll>

"rub three times in a circular clockwise pattern [in your palm] to activate the electrical properties of the oil that aligns you DNA"   (paraphrased).

If the oil is in my left palm, and I rub with my right palm in a clockwise pattern, isn't my left hand essentially rubbing counterclockwise? Won't that counteract the electrical properties of the oil and confuse my DNA?

A secret little tip: it doesn't matter what way you rub, you can go either way. Ofcourse, you have to go the same way each time. If you go counter clockwise one day, and clockwise another, you start rubbing against DNA grain and you risk breaking DNA strands at the root. #science
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« Reply #630 on: November 09, 2017, 11:25:01 PM »
Someone posted on facebook today, looking for a "Younique dealer" (a make-up MLM).  I live in a fairly small town (about 14k people).  Curious, I looked on city-data and found that about 6k of those people are female.  Let's say 2/3 of those women are at an age where they wear makeup.  That leaves a max customer base of 4k people to sell to (many of the women in this town don't wear makeup though, and if they do, they use a much cheaper brand you can find at the store...but, we'll go with 4k anyway).

Response to that one request?  27 "bossbabes".  27.  Our town doesn't even have a Walmart, but we have 27 people (at least) trying to hawk an expensive makeup.

I know people want to have a "downline", so they can make money off them, but at some point there are just too many people selling the same thing.  I haven't paid much attention to how many MLM sellers there are for each company, but I think I may start to pay attention.  I know that there were a lot of Visalus (or whatever the shake company was called) sellers for a while, but I think most gave up.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #631 on: November 10, 2017, 05:10:39 AM »
I'll admit to owning and loving a couple pairs of LLR leggings.  Expensive, yes, but I don't consider $25 for pants to be obscene./confession

Anyway, I'm still a part of several groups on Facebook which I joined while I was looking for prints I liked when I was shopping for my pairs. Some sellers actually offer a service where they will put a "Congratulations!  You won this!" note in the packages, so that women can hide from their husbands the fact that they've spent more money on LLR purchases.

How shady is that!

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #632 on: November 10, 2017, 07:25:57 AM »
I'll admit to owning and loving a couple pairs of LLR leggings.  Expensive, yes, but I don't consider $25 for pants to be obscene./confession

Anyway, I'm still a part of several groups on Facebook which I joined while I was looking for prints I liked when I was shopping for my pairs. Some sellers actually offer a service where they will put a "Congratulations!  You won this!" note in the packages, so that women can hide from their husbands the fact that they've spent more money on LLR purchases.

How shady is that!

I've noticed in all my hobbies (sewing, quilting, knitting, vinyl transfer, nail polish) there is a huge amount of talk of getting purchases hidden from husbands.  It's kind of sickening.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #633 on: November 10, 2017, 08:44:41 AM »
Wow. I can't imagine lying to my husband about money. If he did, I'd wonder what else he was lying to me about.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #634 on: November 10, 2017, 09:35:06 AM »
Check out the LLR map.  No idea if this is actual # of consultants or if these are the consultants who wanted to be listed, but that's a ton of market saturation!

https://www.lularoe.com/shop-lularoe/

As for the new Noir collection, WTH is pastel black?  Gray, perhaps?  Or is it the color that their black will fade to after a wash?  The current running joke is that they have taken all the consultant returns and dyed them black for this new line.  :)

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #635 on: November 10, 2017, 09:36:37 AM »
YES! That was something that happened at a jewelry party I went to years ago. At the end of the presentation she talked about being able to hide purchases on the credit card so that husbands wouldn't see.

HORRIFYING! It was treated as a joke and everybody laughed. I couldn't believe it, because the women were all heavy hitters at my church and hiding purchases from your husband just seemed so antithetical from anything I've ever heard about marriage at church.
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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #636 on: November 10, 2017, 09:41:52 AM »
I'll admit to owning and loving a couple pairs of LLR leggings.  Expensive, yes, but I don't consider $25 for pants to be obscene./confession

Anyway, I'm still a part of several groups on Facebook which I joined while I was looking for prints I liked when I was shopping for my pairs. Some sellers actually offer a service where they will put a "Congratulations!  You won this!" note in the packages, so that women can hide from their husbands the fact that they've spent more money on LLR purchases.

How shady is that!

I've noticed in all my hobbies (sewing, quilting, knitting, vinyl transfer, nail polish) there is a huge amount of talk of getting purchases hidden from husbands.  It's kind of sickening.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #637 on: November 10, 2017, 09:43:42 AM »
I was scoping out a local (NJ) Women's Expo for my business last month.  It is basically an expo for women to shop.  There were a couple hundred booths set up with things such as jewelry, skincare, oils, tarot readers, hair care, some clothes, and various things like that.  There were not 1, not 2, but 3 LaLaRue booths!!  And one of them was a giant booth that took up two spaces.  Each space is $750 to rent for 2 days.  Crazy!    ...and there were customers in their booths.
As someone who goes to a fair number of expos/conferences/conventions as an exhibitor, I can tell you that $750 for a 10x10 booth is actually on the cheap end of things.  Depending on what show we're at, it can be three times that cost.  Of course, all those MLM sellers are hoping to make back not only their $750, but the cost of the goods they're selling, and then make enough money to take something home.  I find it a bit hard to believe they made a profit :)

I attended a local Women's Conference recently.  A 10 x 10 corner booth was $875, plus the cost of carpeting, walls, electrical and internet access.  They had an entire section of the trade floor devoted to "women owned businesses".  There was a handful of vendors who actually made their own items.  Everything else covered the gamut of the biggest MLM's right now, to the guy on the corner who sells "closeout" 1200 TC sheet sets for $20.  Sadly, most of the women in the trade floor were there to shop.  Only a few of us saw the irony of allowing these MLM's, who exploit women, to be at a women's conference.  I received a survey after the event, and I made my feelings known about the subject.  I doubt it will change anything.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #638 on: November 10, 2017, 10:31:45 AM »
Someone posted on facebook today, looking for a "Younique dealer" (a make-up MLM).  I live in a fairly small town (about 14k people).  Curious, I looked on city-data and found that about 6k of those people are female.  Let's say 2/3 of those women are at an age where they wear makeup.  That leaves a max customer base of 4k people to sell to (many of the women in this town don't wear makeup though, and if they do, they use a much cheaper brand you can find at the store...but, we'll go with 4k anyway).

Response to that one request?  27 "bossbabes".  27.  Our town doesn't even have a Walmart, but we have 27 people (at least) trying to hawk an expensive makeup.

I know people want to have a "downline", so they can make money off them, but at some point there are just too many people selling the same thing.  I haven't paid much attention to how many MLM sellers there are for each company, but I think I may start to pay attention.  I know that there were a lot of Visalus (or whatever the shake company was called) sellers for a while, but I think most gave up.

Doesn't it only take like 14 cycles before you have recruited everyone on Earth or so?

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #639 on: November 10, 2017, 10:55:50 AM »
Someone posted on facebook today, looking for a "Younique dealer" (a make-up MLM).  I live in a fairly small town (about 14k people).  Curious, I looked on city-data and found that about 6k of those people are female.  Let's say 2/3 of those women are at an age where they wear makeup.  That leaves a max customer base of 4k people to sell to (many of the women in this town don't wear makeup though, and if they do, they use a much cheaper brand you can find at the store...but, we'll go with 4k anyway).

Response to that one request?  27 "bossbabes".  27.  Our town doesn't even have a Walmart, but we have 27 people (at least) trying to hawk an expensive makeup.

I know people want to have a "downline", so they can make money off them, but at some point there are just too many people selling the same thing.  I haven't paid much attention to how many MLM sellers there are for each company, but I think I may start to pay attention.  I know that there were a lot of Visalus (or whatever the shake company was called) sellers for a while, but I think most gave up.

Doesn't it only take like 14 cycles before you have recruited everyone on Earth or so?

But that's only true for a pyramid scheme! ;)

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #640 on: November 10, 2017, 11:02:42 AM »
Someone posted on facebook today, looking for a "Younique dealer" (a make-up MLM).  I live in a fairly small town (about 14k people).  Curious, I looked on city-data and found that about 6k of those people are female.  Let's say 2/3 of those women are at an age where they wear makeup.  That leaves a max customer base of 4k people to sell to (many of the women in this town don't wear makeup though, and if they do, they use a much cheaper brand you can find at the store...but, we'll go with 4k anyway).

Response to that one request?  27 "bossbabes".  27.  Our town doesn't even have a Walmart, but we have 27 people (at least) trying to hawk an expensive makeup.

I know people want to have a "downline", so they can make money off them, but at some point there are just too many people selling the same thing.  I haven't paid much attention to how many MLM sellers there are for each company, but I think I may start to pay attention.  I know that there were a lot of Visalus (or whatever the shake company was called) sellers for a while, but I think most gave up.

Doesn't it only take like 14 cycles before you have recruited everyone on Earth or so?

But that's only true for a pyramid scheme! ;)

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #641 on: November 10, 2017, 12:52:26 PM »
YES! That was something that happened at a jewelry party I went to years ago. At the end of the presentation she talked about being able to hide purchases on the credit card so that husbands wouldn't see.

Typical in Mary Kay also. They say "it's easier to beg forgiveness, than to ask for permission". Meaning you should use the credit card to buy 5K of inventory, then beg for forgiveness if the husband finds out.

I'm sure hiding financial issues from one's spouse is a great formula for a successful marriage.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #642 on: November 13, 2017, 10:16:56 AM »
Doesn't it only take like 14 cycles before you have recruited everyone on Earth or so?
Yes, 14 levels of recruits with each distributor recruiting 3 distributors under them comes to about 7.2 billion people. It might take 22 cycles if every distributor only recruits 2 people as direct downlines, or only 11 cycles if each level recurits 4. Gotta build the business, sales don't really matter.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #643 on: November 13, 2017, 12:31:39 PM »
Check out the LLR map.  No idea if this is actual # of consultants or if these are the consultants who wanted to be listed, but that's a ton of market saturation!

https://www.lularoe.com/shop-lularoe/

As for the new Noir collection, WTH is pastel black?  Gray, perhaps?  Or is it the color that their black will fade to after a wash?  The current running joke is that they have taken all the consultant returns and dyed them black for this new line.  :)

It's not all the consultants.  I know a few people who are and they are not on the map.  So, the market is even more saturated that the map shows.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #644 on: November 13, 2017, 03:54:28 PM »
Just recently had a good friend's spouse start up with Monat that recently starting posting more and more desperately. (such as #friendshelpfriends along with a plea for purchases).

I'd usually just ignore this, but this is such a close friend that it will come up and make for some rather awkward conversations.

I was hoping to strike a firm stance on that I don't support MLM's but believe that will lead into a huge conversation of what an MLM is and how Monat must not be one. I have tried finding specific information on this company but they use all the normal tricks (paid for "Is this a scam?" websites that are actually just schilling the product along, etc)

Is anyone good at sleuthing out specific income disclosure statements from these companies. I was under the impression that they had to release these under law (in Canada) but can't seem to find one for Monat. I believe the best argument is similar to the other statements I've read that all lead to "nobody makes any money at these"

ie: https://www.talentedladiesclub.com/articles/why-were-not-publishing-any-more-mlm-income-disclosure-statements/
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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #645 on: November 13, 2017, 06:44:54 PM »
Check out the LLR map.  No idea if this is actual # of consultants or if these are the consultants who wanted to be listed, but that's a ton of market saturation!

https://www.lularoe.com/shop-lularoe/

As for the new Noir collection, WTH is pastel black?  Gray, perhaps?  Or is it the color that their black will fade to after a wash?  The current running joke is that they have taken all the consultant returns and dyed them black for this new line.  :)

It's not all the consultants.  I know a few people who are and they are not on the map.  So, the market is even more saturated that the map shows.

Don't remember where I read it, but there was a lot of controversy in the publication of this map.  Some people were former consultants, some were current, etc, but they were just put on the map without their knowledge.  One woman found out about the map when she got a knock at some ungodly hour, from a woman she didn't know, demanding a refund for damaged leggings that she got from another seller! 

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #646 on: November 13, 2017, 06:58:32 PM »
Just recently had a good friend's spouse start up with Monat that recently starting posting more and more desperately. (such as #friendshelpfriends along with a plea for purchases).

I'd usually just ignore this, but this is such a close friend that it will come up and make for some rather awkward conversations.

I was hoping to strike a firm stance on that I don't support MLM's but believe that will lead into a huge conversation of what an MLM is and how Monat must not be one. I have tried finding specific information on this company but they use all the normal tricks (paid for "Is this a scam?" websites that are actually just schilling the product along, etc)

Is anyone good at sleuthing out specific income disclosure statements from these companies. I was under the impression that they had to release these under law (in Canada) but can't seem to find one for Monat. I believe the best argument is similar to the other statements I've read that all lead to "nobody makes any money at these"

ie: https://www.talentedladiesclub.com/articles/why-were-not-publishing-any-more-mlm-income-disclosure-statements/

Their compensation plan (for the US anyway)

http://monatglobal.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Compensation-Plan_US_052017.pdf

I found this for Canada...

http://www.average2awesome.com/uploads/1/6/0/6/16063634/canadian-compensation-plan.pdf

This is on the last page (bolding is mine, for emphasis):

"The primary source of income of a typical participant in the Compensation Plan (the “Plan” or the “Canadian Plan”) of MONAT Global Canada ULC. (“MONAT”) is from compensation on personal and downline sales of products and/or services. Personal earnings will vary. A Typical Participant in the Plan is defined as a participant who actively engages in the activities necessary to realize the benefits of the Plan (i.e. has achieved at least the rank of Managing Market Partner).
A Typical Participant in the Plan earns between Cdn $22 and $1,188 annualized.
       
Please note that these earnings are estimates and have been derived from the earnings experience of MONAT’s U.S. parent company, which operates similar and comparable compensation plans, selling comparable products in the United States and worldwide. These earnings estimates will be reviewed after 6 months of operation of the Canadian Plan. After one year, this Statement of Typical Participant Earnings will be updated with compensation actually received by typical participants in the Canadian Plan, and then updated annually thereafter."

So, a typical seller could make $1.83 to $99 per month!  Ouch.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #647 on: November 13, 2017, 07:02:56 PM »
I'll admit to owning and loving a couple pairs of LLR leggings.  Expensive, yes, but I don't consider $25 for pants to be obscene./confession

Anyway, I'm still a part of several groups on Facebook which I joined while I was looking for prints I liked when I was shopping for my pairs. Some sellers actually offer a service where they will put a "Congratulations!  You won this!" note in the packages, so that women can hide from their husbands the fact that they've spent more money on LLR purchases.

How shady is that!

I've noticed in all my hobbies (sewing, quilting, knitting, vinyl transfer, nail polish) there is a huge amount of talk of getting purchases hidden from husbands.  It's kind of sickening.

When I was in a triathlon club, one of the male triathletes had a training bike, a fabulously expensive aero road bike and a fabulously expensive triathlon bike. They were all all matt-black Specialized bikes with red graphics and bar tape, because that way he could keep one at the office and not have his wife realise he'd spent four thousand euro on a Venge frameset.

A Christian girl who was friends with my husband's family got married young. As soon as the wedding was over, she started buying baby things - not a onesie here or there, but the big ticket items. She bought a pram, cot, a baby bath, car seat, etc, and had them all delivered to her workplace so the husband wouldn't know. She also recently 'confessed' on Facebook to having 67 pairs of shoes for her six month-old-daughter.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #648 on: November 13, 2017, 07:59:10 PM »
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She bought a pram, cot, a baby bath, car seat, etc, and had them all delivered to her workplace so the husband wouldn't know.


Did she keep them in her office? How do you sneak those bulky things into a house?

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #649 on: November 13, 2017, 09:34:44 PM »


So, a typical seller could make $1.83 to $99 per month!  Ouch.

By that comparison, panhandling is downright lucrative and much less stressful.
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