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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #500 on: October 05, 2017, 03:25:03 PM »
I'll continue the library hijack of this thread:

Interlibrary loans are great. My local library, Sacramento Public Library, has about 30 locations. All circulating books and most other circulating media (we've had some videos that don't circulate from other branches for some reason) can be requested online for pickup at any branch. If the book is on the shelf, it usualy takes a few days.

The library is also a member of LINK+ which provides access to the circulating collection of many college and public library systems. Even LINK+ requests can be made online and usually take about a week to arrive. Late/lost item fees can be higher in the LINK+ system and renewals are more limited and take longer to process.

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« Reply #501 on: October 05, 2017, 06:18:56 PM »
Adding to the library foam: I love my library since I can borrow books online as well and don't even have to visit the library to get the books. And that means I can travel anywhere and still get books from library. And be able to carry them all on my Kindle or phone (Kindle app). Mind= blown!!

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« Reply #502 on: October 07, 2017, 10:10:47 AM »
My workplace hosts a crafts fair twice a year where employee's can hawk their side hustle.

I just found out that this time, Usborne Books will be offering a great deal at our next fair... Not sure how I feel about MLM invading the workplace.

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« Reply #503 on: October 07, 2017, 10:41:59 AM »
My workplace hosts a crafts fair twice a year where employee's can hawk their side hustle.

I just found out that this time, Usborne Books will be offering a great deal at our next fair... Not sure how I feel about MLM invading the workplace.

Are Usborne books the ones like that's not my tiger etc?

We have a few but bought them from amazon I think. 

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« Reply #504 on: October 07, 2017, 08:58:51 PM »
Sorry, that's not what I meant.  Yes, $130 / month is expensive, and so is $97.50 / month (plus the $17 coach fee!)

But the actual cost to make the shakes has got to be low.  They are only "expensive" because of the "commissions" they pay coaches to get people to buy the product every month.  The ingredients themselves?  I doubt they are very expensive.

I pointed out at the time that I was spending roughly $4 per person per day on food for my family, so asking to spend THAT AMOUNT on the equivalent of ONE MEAL (not even, it's only 160 calories), was kind of ridiculous.

I don't know what is in these shakes, but I wanted to put something in perspective. $130/30 comes out to $4.33 per shake.

For $4.33 you could make a really nice smoothie at home with fresh fruits and veggies. The smoothies I make in the blender are 500-600 calories(these are big smoothies), and they contain 50-100%+ of your daily fiber, protein, potassium, calcium, other minerals, vitamins, anti-oxidants, etc.

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« Reply #505 on: October 08, 2017, 04:49:44 AM »
Adding to the library foam: I love my library since I can borrow books online as well and don't even have to visit the library to get the books. And that means I can travel anywhere and still get books from library. And be able to carry them all on my Kindle or phone (Kindle app). Mind= blown!!

I should probably start getting books from the library more often (i.e., at all).  In the past I've filled up multiple bookcases everywhere I've lived, though the last place was pretty small, so I didn't accumulate books the same way because I knew I'd have nowhere to put them.  I've moved to the Kindle for Gutenberg and other public domain books I can get online for free, but for contemporary entertainment reading and other things I'm not likely to reread, using the library seems better.  I don't know how good the local libraries will be at getting books through interlibrary loan, but I might as well find out, and see if I can save money and space.

On topic, I've had limited interaction with MLMs -- the only time they've touched my life is through some guy who wanted to talk about something he made out to be an opportunity related to my field, but it turned out he was trying to recruit me into Amway.  I switched off at this point, let him go through the rest of his spiel, and emailed him back later to say I wasn't interested.  I didn't otherwise know the guy, so that was the end of it.  Seems like others here have big parts of their social network involved, though -- not surprising since you'd expect that to be how these things generally expand.

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« Reply #506 on: October 08, 2017, 07:13:05 AM »
My workplace hosts a crafts fair twice a year where employee's can hawk their side hustle.

I just found out that this time, Usborne Books will be offering a great deal at our next fair... Not sure how I feel about MLM invading the workplace.

Are Usborne books the ones like that's not my tiger etc?

We have a few but bought them from amazon I think.

Yep. Those are Usborne. They are great books, but SO expensive.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #507 on: October 08, 2017, 07:37:32 AM »
My workplace hosts a crafts fair twice a year where employee's can hawk their side hustle.

I just found out that this time, Usborne Books will be offering a great deal at our next fair... Not sure how I feel about MLM invading the workplace.

Are Usborne books the ones like that's not my tiger etc?

We have a few but bought them from amazon I think.

Yep. Those are Usborne. They are great books, but SO expensive.

Just checked with my wife and she reassured me she got them all on a deal at 2 each.. phew!

Costco are great for kids stories, the often do 10 packs for 10 pounds, with books that often are retailing for 4 - 5 pounds each ( rip off)

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« Reply #508 on: October 08, 2017, 10:06:32 AM »
For $4.33 you could make a really nice smoothie at home with fresh fruits and veggies. The smoothies I make in the blender are 500-600 calories(these are big smoothies), and they contain 50-100%+ of your daily fiber, protein, potassium, calcium, other minerals, vitamins, anti-oxidants, etc.
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« Reply #509 on: October 08, 2017, 02:49:12 PM »
My local library now charges $5.00 for an inter library loan. It used to be free.

You poor thing!  I would have to move, revolt, or run for library board. That would be a game-changer.

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« Reply #510 on: October 08, 2017, 03:42:37 PM »
My local library now charges $5.00 for an inter library loan. It used to be free.

You poor thing!  I would have to move, revolt, or run for library board. That would be a game-changer.

Yea, it's a bummer but in some ways, I agree with their decision to start charging for that.  There were a lot of people abusing the library services in various ways, for a long time.  They also started charging $50 for a library card for non-residents.

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« Reply #511 on: October 09, 2017, 01:56:43 PM »
My local library now charges $5.00 for an inter library loan. It used to be free.

You poor thing!  I would have to move, revolt, or run for library board. That would be a game-changer.

Yea, it's a bummer but in some ways, I agree with their decision to start charging for that.  There were a lot of people abusing the library services in various ways, for a long time.  They also started charging $50 for a library card for non-residents.

Keeping the foam going...

I try to only ask for 3-4 interlibrary loans a year (I probably check out about 20 books a year) to prevent me going over any sort of threshold of too much hassle.  I don't know where the line is, but I am wary of crossing it in order to avoid this exact situation.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #512 on: October 09, 2017, 10:33:41 PM »
http://www.king5.com/news/they-bought-into-lularoe-to-make-money-now-theyre-leaving-in-debt/477718629

Surprise surprise, being a leggings consultant isn't a good "business" idea. can we talk about this $10k start up cost?! I thought Mary Kay was ridiculous with people spending a few hundred bucks to start up, but wow LuLaRoe blows them out of the water! How and why do people think this is a good idea? When people are being asked to buy thousands of dollars in clothing to "start up", why arent alarm bells not going off in their heads? Like "How likely is it that I can continuously sell hundreds of over priced leggings out of my home while also competing with malls and online shopping, both of which are cheaper and more accessible?"

On a side note, how do I convince people to buy $10k worth of made in China crap from me to "start their own business" lol

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #513 on: October 09, 2017, 11:13:32 PM »
My local library now charges $5.00 for an inter library loan. It used to be free.

You poor thing!  I would have to move, revolt, or run for library board. That would be a game-changer.

Yea, it's a bummer but in some ways, I agree with their decision to start charging for that.  There were a lot of people abusing the library services in various ways, for a long time.  They also started charging $50 for a library card for non-residents.

Keeping the foam going...

I try to only ask for 3-4 interlibrary loans a year (I probably check out about 20 books a year) to prevent me going over any sort of threshold of too much hassle.  I don't know where the line is, but I am wary of crossing it in order to avoid this exact situation.

My spouse was probably one of their biggest offenders for a while, with inter-library loans. He'd get dozens of them at a time, then often, forget to go pick up the books once they came in. IMO, made a lot of unnecessary work for librarians.

Our local library also, used to not place limits on how many DVDs that a patron could check out. I was behind someone in line one day checking out over 100 DVDs. All at one time. So now, they do place limits on how many items can be checked out at one time, by one person. But it was crazy for them not to have that rule before. If I worked at a library, I'd get frustrated seeing people take advantage.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #514 on: October 09, 2017, 11:15:37 PM »
http://www.king5.com/news/they-bought-into-lularoe-to-make-money-now-theyre-leaving-in-debt/477718629

Surprise surprise, being a leggings consultant isn't a good "business" idea. can we talk about this $10k start up cost?! I thought Mary Kay was ridiculous with people spending a few hundred bucks to start up, but wow LuLaRoe blows them out of the water! How and why do people think this is a good idea?

They aren't smart enough to realize that they are the customer. Not a business owner or an entrepreneur. But a customer, who just bought $10,000 worth of stuff from a business. 

Does anyone here ever talked to your children about MLMs? I plan to talk to my kids once they get to be teenagers so they'll understand .  As part of their financial literacy education.

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« Reply #515 on: October 10, 2017, 05:49:30 AM »
http://www.king5.com/news/they-bought-into-lularoe-to-make-money-now-theyre-leaving-in-debt/477718629

Surprise surprise, being a leggings consultant isn't a good "business" idea. can we talk about this $10k start up cost?! I thought Mary Kay was ridiculous with people spending a few hundred bucks to start up, but wow LuLaRoe blows them out of the water! How and why do people think this is a good idea?

They aren't smart enough to realize that they are the customer. Not a business owner or an entrepreneur. But a customer, who just bought $10,000 worth of stuff from a business. 

Does anyone here ever talked to your children about MLMs? I plan to talk to my kids once they get to be teenagers so they'll understand .  As part of their financial literacy education.

I think that's a fantastic idea, Chelseygirl. My son is way too young (2), but definitely worth teaching older kids about it! I used to enjoy tagging along to Pampered Chef and candle parties with my mom as a preteen, but definitely didn't understand the structure. Thankfully it wasn't something I encountered much of, until I married an active duty servicemember. Then I couldn't escape it.

Re, the up-front cost: my understanding is that they spin it as "all businesses require an initial investment". Which they do, but (as is clear to all of us here) this is isn't starting one's own business.
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« Reply #516 on: October 10, 2017, 07:40:27 AM »
Not sure if it has been posted but I just saw this on TV. I automatically thought of this thread and it made me smile.

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« Reply #517 on: October 10, 2017, 08:56:42 AM »
When I was out of college, and living on my own, my dad sort of tried to warn me about "salespeople trying to sell things" I'm pretty sure he was referring to MLMs.

I plan to talk to my kids earlier about this, once they are teenagers; maybe even show them some documentaries on MLMs and how they are scams. The earlier they learn about it, the better.

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« Reply #518 on: October 10, 2017, 09:55:38 AM »
http://www.king5.com/news/they-bought-into-lularoe-to-make-money-now-theyre-leaving-in-debt/477718629

Surprise surprise, being a leggings consultant isn't a good "business" idea. can we talk about this $10k start up cost?! I thought Mary Kay was ridiculous with people spending a few hundred bucks to start up, but wow LuLaRoe blows them out of the water! How and why do people think this is a good idea? When people are being asked to buy thousands of dollars in clothing to "start up", why arent alarm bells not going off in their heads? Like "How likely is it that I can continuously sell hundreds of over priced leggings out of my home while also competing with malls and online shopping, both of which are cheaper and more accessible?"

On a side note, how do I convince people to buy $10k worth of made in China crap from me to "start their own business" lol

And the person convincing you it's so much fun and so profitable is already well established in that neighborhood. 
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« Reply #519 on: October 10, 2017, 02:25:53 PM »
http://www.king5.com/news/they-bought-into-lularoe-to-make-money-now-theyre-leaving-in-debt/477718629

Surprise surprise, being a leggings consultant isn't a good "business" idea. can we talk about this $10k start up cost?! I thought Mary Kay was ridiculous with people spending a few hundred bucks to start up, but wow LuLaRoe blows them out of the water! How and why do people think this is a good idea?

They aren't smart enough to realize that they are the customerproduct. Not a business owner or an entrepreneur. But a customerproduct, who just bought $10,000 worth of stuff from a business. 

Does anyone here ever talked to your children about MLMs? I plan to talk to my kids once they get to be teenagers so they'll understand .  As part of their financial literacy education.

FTFY

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« Reply #520 on: October 10, 2017, 10:34:24 PM »
Not sure if it has been posted but I just saw this on TV. I automatically thought of this thread and it made me smile.

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Oh, yes, thanks for adding that one here!  I saw a couple variations of this Avon commercial when I was visiting someone in LA in June.  I didn't even know Avon still made TV commercials.

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« Reply #521 on: October 11, 2017, 02:45:49 AM »
http://www.king5.com/news/they-bought-into-lularoe-to-make-money-now-theyre-leaving-in-debt/477718629

Surprise surprise, being a leggings consultant isn't a good "business" idea. can we talk about this $10k start up cost?! I thought Mary Kay was ridiculous with people spending a few hundred bucks to start up, but wow LuLaRoe blows them out of the water! How and why do people think this is a good idea? When people are being asked to buy thousands of dollars in clothing to "start up", why arent alarm bells not going off in their heads? Like "How likely is it that I can continuously sell hundreds of over priced leggings out of my home while also competing with malls and online shopping, both of which are cheaper and more accessible?"

On a side note, how do I convince people to buy $10k worth of made in China crap from me to "start their own business" lol

Most of them do online sales, via Facebook.  Not that I'm defending the business model, but I think very few just sell out of there home, and in fact parties seem to be the smallest portion of the business.

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« Reply #522 on: October 11, 2017, 06:17:54 AM »
Not sure if it has been posted but I just saw this on TV. I automatically thought of this thread and it made me smile.

This is Boss Life
https://youtu.be/KWbWJ8xweUg

Oh, yes, thanks for adding that one here!  I saw a couple variations of this Avon commercial when I was visiting someone in LA in June.  I didn't even know Avon still made TV commercials.

Funny thing is I'm currently also in California and saw it here. I'm originally from Ohio but here on a business trip and I haven't seen an Avon commercial play in Ohio. I was quite surprised when I saw it.
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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #523 on: October 11, 2017, 02:17:39 PM »
LulaRoe Leggings are a saturated market. So it doesn't matter if they sell online too, or a combination of online and parties. It's saturated. They are going to lose money. I suspect a lot of them want to jump on what they see as a popular trend, but it's too popular. That means it is saturated.


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« Reply #524 on: October 11, 2017, 07:53:10 PM »
It's already happening. I'm part of a Facebook city chat group and I've had three different people post this week that they are going out of business and are selling their stock ($15 for dresses and $10 for leggings). I'm guessing that's the price they paid any they want to recoup the cost. But the leggings they have look so hideous that no one is buying them. Pretty sad when you think about it.

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« Reply #525 on: October 12, 2017, 09:35:00 AM »
I made the mistake of commenting on Neutrogena's Facebook page about an issue I had with one of their products and have been getting tons of Facebook messages for Rodan and Fields consultants ever since. I finally went back to the original post and edited it to say that this was not an invitation for MLMers to message me. ARGH

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« Reply #526 on: October 12, 2017, 12:34:46 PM »
I'm at a women's leadership conference. The speakers are all amazing executives and entrepreneurs, over 70% of the "exhibitors" are MLMs.

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« Reply #527 on: October 12, 2017, 01:27:59 PM »
I'm at a women's leadership conference. The speakers are all amazing executives and entrepreneurs, over 70% of the "exhibitors" are MLMs.

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« Reply #528 on: October 12, 2017, 02:33:25 PM »
http://www.king5.com/news/they-bought-into-lularoe-to-make-money-now-theyre-leaving-in-debt/477718629

Surprise surprise, being a leggings consultant isn't a good "business" idea. can we talk about this $10k start up cost?! I thought Mary Kay was ridiculous with people spending a few hundred bucks to start up, but wow LuLaRoe blows them out of the water! How and why do people think this is a good idea?

They aren't smart enough to realize that they are the customer. Not a business owner or an entrepreneur. But a customer, who just bought $10,000 worth of stuff from a business. 

Does anyone here ever talked to your children about MLMs? I plan to talk to my kids once they get to be teenagers so they'll understand .  As part of their financial literacy education.

Clearly there is good money to be made selling Lularoe memberships.  At that price for entry selling the actual product seems ancillary.
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« Reply #529 on: October 14, 2017, 05:47:51 AM »
Sorry, that's not what I meant.  Yes, $130 / month is expensive, and so is $97.50 / month (plus the $17 coach fee!)

But the actual cost to make the shakes has got to be low.  They are only "expensive" because of the "commissions" they pay coaches to get people to buy the product every month.  The ingredients themselves?  I doubt they are very expensive.

I pointed out at the time that I was spending roughly $4 per person per day on food for my family, so asking to spend THAT AMOUNT on the equivalent of ONE MEAL (not even, it's only 160 calories), was kind of ridiculous.

I don't know what is in these shakes, but I wanted to put something in perspective. $130/30 comes out to $4.33 per shake.

For $4.33 you could make a really nice smoothie at home with fresh fruits and veggies. The smoothies I make in the blender are 500-600 calories(these are big smoothies), and they contain 50-100%+ of your daily fiber, protein, potassium, calcium, other minerals, vitamins, anti-oxidants, etc.

Hey Indexer- care to share a recipe or two? I currently do breakfast smoothies, but something with enough good cals to take me through lunch would be awesome!
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« Reply #530 on: October 16, 2017, 03:03:31 PM »
It's already happening. I'm part of a Facebook city chat group and I've had three different people post this week that they are going out of business and are selling their stock ($15 for dresses and $10 for leggings). I'm guessing that's the price they paid any they want to recoup the cost. But the leggings they have look so hideous that no one is buying them. Pretty sad when you think about it.

I have to admit, I've been watching this particular train-wreck for a while, and LLR seems just about ready to implode.  Tons of Facebook pages out there devoted to the glaringly bad defects and cheap quality of this clothing, not to mention all the GOOB pages popping up (GOOB= going out of business), adding a ton more competition to the consultants who are still trying to hawk their wears for whatever ridiculous MSRP that LLR tells them to sell for.

The policy change indicated in the article occurred b/c LLR got slammed with over $50 million in returns.  Not to mention many consultants who return items that LLR deems to be unfit for sale, and they won't return or credit the consultant for a penny, which increases the risk of returning and getting nothing for your trouble.  So, the best way to liquidate is to set up a GOOB sale, and the downward spiral continues!

I just did a quick check on eBay, and there's over 191,000 listings active right now.  Even the GOOB sellers are being undercut.  It's fascinating to watch.  My guess is LLR goes under in 6-12 mo.

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« Reply #531 on: October 17, 2017, 11:24:41 PM »
My guess is LLR goes under in 6-12 mo.
I'm always surprised at how resilient MLMs can be: when a market gets saturated, they let it cool down for a few years by moving their efforts to another country/continent. Another strategy is to launch new products regularly and make the older products "obsolete" one way or another to make eBay sales impossible (so when politicians ban a given chemical contained in some MLM product, they actually help the MLM).

A popular Aloe goop mlm have been going on for 40 years, using some of the strategies above.

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« Reply #532 on: October 18, 2017, 07:43:53 AM »
Not an MLM, but along the same lines.

An old High School friend set up his own insurance agency.  Okay so far, so good.  I see a couple of posts of Facebook saying he's open and willing to see clients.  Again, no problem.

A couple weeks later I get a Facebook message saying "Hi <Name>", followed by some boilerplate stuff, ending with a request to have a meeting to discuss insurance options.

This was pretty obnoxious, as we had not talked in a couple of years, but I let it go.

Then I got wind from my family that my sister, who had a debilitating stroke five years ago and lives with our folks, got the same message.

I know he just used a script to message all of the people on his friends list, but this really pissed me off.  My dad just said that people do awful things when starting their own venture, and he has colleagues who stay up at night in horror of things they did decades ago when first starting out.  Reading some of the things on this thread, that rings true.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #533 on: October 18, 2017, 09:28:47 AM »
My guess is LLR goes under in 6-12 mo.
I'm always surprised at how resilient MLMs can be: when a market gets saturated, they let it cool down for a few years by moving their efforts to another country/continent. Another strategy is to launch new products regularly and make the older products "obsolete" one way or another to make eBay sales impossible (so when politicians ban a given chemical contained in some MLM product, they actually help the MLM).

A popular Aloe goop mlm have been going on for 40 years, using some of the strategies above.

That's true, and from what I understand, LLR has already created a few sister brands, one being Honey & Lace, I think.  Which in the wake of the LLR return debacle, re-branded itself to P!phany.  My guess is this is an effort to distance itself from what's coming, and it sounds like some of the LLR consultants are moving over to the new brands (there are a few, I just don't care to know them all).  So yes, LLR will likely continue in some fashion, I have no doubt that the people in charge of this will jump ship to a new version once the sh*t hits the fan, and sadly, a large portion of their consultants will just follow along.

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« Reply #534 on: October 18, 2017, 10:33:17 AM »
P!phany?

Are you effing kidding me?

(Edit: Google tells me they changed it because it was testing as the name of a lingerie company. That makes sense. I just read it as Mormon because they have a thing with bees, and "Grace and Lace" is the name of a heavily Christian clothing company.  But that still doesn't explain why they changed it to such a ridiculous name.)
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« Reply #535 on: October 18, 2017, 11:54:02 AM »
It's already happening. I'm part of a Facebook city chat group and I've had three different people post this week that they are going out of business and are selling their stock ($15 for dresses and $10 for leggings). I'm guessing that's the price they paid any they want to recoup the cost. But the leggings they have look so hideous that no one is buying them. Pretty sad when you think about it.

I have to admit, I've been watching this particular train-wreck for a while, and LLR seems just about ready to implode.  Tons of Facebook pages out there devoted to the glaringly bad defects and cheap quality of this clothing, not to mention all the GOOB pages popping up (GOOB= going out of business), adding a ton more competition to the consultants who are still trying to hawk their wears for whatever ridiculous MSRP that LLR tells them to sell for.

The policy change indicated in the article occurred b/c LLR got slammed with over $50 million in returns.  Not to mention many consultants who return items that LLR deems to be unfit for sale, and they won't return or credit the consultant for a penny, which increases the risk of returning and getting nothing for your trouble.  So, the best way to liquidate is to set up a GOOB sale, and the downward spiral continues!

I just did a quick check on eBay, and there's over 191,000 listings active right now.  Even the GOOB sellers are being undercut.  It's fascinating to watch.  My guess is LLR goes under in 6-12 mo.
I feel lucky to have missed this train.  I'm maybe a bit too old for the demographic.  I got my first LLR invite just this year, when it was already starting to implode.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #536 on: October 18, 2017, 03:02:55 PM »
P!phany?

Are you effing kidding me?

(Edit: Google tells me they changed it because it was testing as the name of a lingerie company. That makes sense. I just read it as Mormon because they have a thing with bees, and "Grace and Lace" is the name of a heavily Christian clothing company.  But that still doesn't explain why they changed it to such a ridiculous name.)

Pippa is swedish for an activity for two, or more, adults that love each other very, very much.

Maybe they decided to go international?

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #537 on: October 19, 2017, 07:26:30 AM »
Had a coworker here selling It Works!  It Works is some kind of green powdered supplement.  She asked if I was interested but I politely refused it.  Disclaimer: I do take a powdered green supplement but I prefer to purchase mine at the store or online depending on who has the better special at the moment.  The girl next to me did buy some.  Last week I overheard the poor thing on the phone demanding they refund her for charges they'd loaded onto her credit card.  I think she made one purchase and they kept billing her I haven't had the guts to ask.
Anyone here heard of It Works?



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« Reply #538 on: October 19, 2017, 08:18:13 AM »
Had a coworker here selling It Works!  It Works is some kind of green powdered supplement.  She asked if I was interested but I politely refused it.  Disclaimer: I do take a powdered green supplement but I prefer to purchase mine at the store or online depending on who has the better special at the moment.  The girl next to me did buy some.  Last week I overheard the poor thing on the phone demanding they refund her for charges they'd loaded onto her credit card.  I think she made one purchase and they kept billing her I haven't had the guts to ask.
Anyone here heard of It Works?

Yep, we had a cousin into that. The big sell was "wraps" that you wrap around pieces of your body to "melt fat off."

If that worked it would definitely be super healthy, right?? /sarcasm

(She stopped selling them eventually after buying a lot of inventory that she couldn't get rid of. She really wanted to help support her family and had good intentions...but she moved on to selling "toxin-free" makeup. Her husband emailed all family & friends asking them to please buy her makeup as she wanted to be a SAHM. I wrote back saying that I understood the desire, but our financial planning for eventual kids involved not paying for unnecessary expenses, so we wouldn't be ordering, and hoped they understood. Apparently I was the only one to respond at all...so that makeup went away too. Now she's off the MLM train but the rest of the family is selling Younique, cluttering every social feed with not only  the makeup posts but also many posts purely designed to improve their algorithms so that the makeup posts will find a wide audience, like "which bag should I buy, a or b??" I find it an annoying erosion of our social contract, but they claim to be making lots of money so I don't see it going away anytime soon.)

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« Reply #539 on: October 19, 2017, 08:18:46 AM »
Had a coworker here selling It Works!  It Works is some kind of green powdered supplement.  She asked if I was interested but I politely refused it.  Disclaimer: I do take a powdered green supplement but I prefer to purchase mine at the store or online depending on who has the better special at the moment.  The girl next to me did buy some.  Last week I overheard the poor thing on the phone demanding they refund her for charges they'd loaded onto her credit card.  I think she made one purchase and they kept billing her I haven't had the guts to ask.
Anyone here heard of It Works?

They started of as thinning wraps and branched out into hokey supplements. One seller I know has recently moved onto a vinyl transfer business. She is using everything she learned from MLM, so I only see her kids on Facebook when they are modelling something she made.

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« Reply #540 on: October 19, 2017, 08:48:24 AM »
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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #541 on: October 19, 2017, 08:50:15 AM »
also many posts purely designed to improve their algorithms so that the makeup posts will find a wide audience, like "which bag should I buy, a or b??"

OH! I knew there was a reason for these types of posts but I didn't understand what they were for. They drive me nuts. I never answer because I figured if I did, they would just try to hit me up to buy something in the future, but they still annoy me.

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« Reply #542 on: October 19, 2017, 08:51:21 AM »
but also many posts purely designed to improve their algorithms so that the makeup posts will find a wide audience, like "which bag should I buy, a or b??"

I have a Facebook friend who does this. Had no idea that it was for this purpose.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #543 on: October 19, 2017, 11:18:54 AM »
It's already happening. I'm part of a Facebook city chat group and I've had three different people post this week that they are going out of business and are selling their stock ($15 for dresses and $10 for leggings). I'm guessing that's the price they paid any they want to recoup the cost. But the leggings they have look so hideous that no one is buying them. Pretty sad when you think about it.

I have to admit, I've been watching this particular train-wreck for a while, and LLR seems just about ready to implode.  Tons of Facebook pages out there devoted to the glaringly bad defects and cheap quality of this clothing, not to mention all the GOOB pages popping up (GOOB= going out of business), adding a ton more competition to the consultants who are still trying to hawk their wears for whatever ridiculous MSRP that LLR tells them to sell for.

The policy change indicated in the article occurred b/c LLR got slammed with over $50 million in returns.  Not to mention many consultants who return items that LLR deems to be unfit for sale, and they won't return or credit the consultant for a penny, which increases the risk of returning and getting nothing for your trouble.  So, the best way to liquidate is to set up a GOOB sale, and the downward spiral continues!

I just did a quick check on eBay, and there's over 191,000 listings active right now.  Even the GOOB sellers are being undercut.  It's fascinating to watch.  My guess is LLR goes under in 6-12 mo.

I don't find Yahoo.com to be a great source of news, but there is no doubt it is mainstream and reaches a massive audience:

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/new-lularoe-lawsuit-calls-leggings-giant-pyramid-scheme-end-184529361.html

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #544 on: October 19, 2017, 01:04:01 PM »
also many posts purely designed to improve their algorithms so that the makeup posts will find a wide audience, like "which bag should I buy, a or b??"

OH! I knew there was a reason for these types of posts but I didn't understand what they were for. They drive me nuts. I never answer because I figured if I did, they would just try to hit me up to buy something in the future, but they still annoy me.

I'm told it's because Facebook shows your posts to more people if you tend to get lots of comments, so they post "a or b" things to increase engagement. Then the selling posts have more eyeballs. I should not care but do find it annoying!

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« Reply #545 on: October 19, 2017, 03:07:02 PM »
also many posts purely designed to improve their algorithms so that the makeup posts will find a wide audience, like "which bag should I buy, a or b??"

OH! I knew there was a reason for these types of posts but I didn't understand what they were for. They drive me nuts. I never answer because I figured if I did, they would just try to hit me up to buy something in the future, but they still annoy me.

I'm told it's because Facebook shows your posts to more people if you tend to get lots of comments, so they post "a or b" things to increase engagement. Then the selling posts have more eyeballs. I should not care but do find it annoying!
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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #546 on: October 19, 2017, 04:11:15 PM »
Had a coworker here selling It Works!  It Works is some kind of green powdered supplement.  She asked if I was interested but I politely refused it.  Disclaimer: I do take a powdered green supplement but I prefer to purchase mine at the store or online depending on who has the better special at the moment.  The girl next to me did buy some.  Last week I overheard the poor thing on the phone demanding they refund her for charges they'd loaded onto her credit card.  I think she made one purchase and they kept billing her I haven't had the guts to ask.
Anyone here heard of It Works?

Yes. My cousin was using the wraps. I don't think she was selling them. I don't think they worked. At least not any better than the exercise she was also doing.

also many posts purely designed to improve their algorithms so that the makeup posts will find a wide audience, like "which bag should I buy, a or b??"

OH! I knew there was a reason for these types of posts but I didn't understand what they were for. They drive me nuts. I never answer because I figured if I did, they would just try to hit me up to buy something in the future, but they still annoy me.

I'm told it's because Facebook shows your posts to more people if you tend to get lots of comments, so they post "a or b" things to increase engagement. Then the selling posts have more eyeballs. I should not care but do find it annoying!
This is why you can have 200 friends on Facebook, but only ever see updates from 10 of them. Facebook also has a honeymoon period where you'll see everything a new friend has to say, but if you don't interact with them they'll drop to the bottom of the pile after a while.

That explains why I constantly see stuff my aunts post and not  new posts from other friends. In amongst all the ads that is. They always like and comment on my posts so I feel obliged to like theirs too.

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« Reply #547 on: October 19, 2017, 04:18:53 PM »
I'm told it's because Facebook shows your posts to more people if you tend to get lots of comments, so they post "a or b" things to increase engagement. Then the selling posts have more eyeballs. I should not care but do find it annoying!
This is why you can have 200 friends on Facebook, but only ever see updates from 10 of them. Facebook also has a honeymoon period where you'll see everything a new friend has to say, but if you don't interact with them they'll drop to the bottom of the pile after a while.

This is one reason why I insist on using facebook in chronological order. I'll choose who I do and don't want to see, thanks. (There's a hidden setting for it which periodically defaults back to the algorithm, or you can get extensions like FBP that do it automatically.)

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #548 on: October 19, 2017, 04:34:15 PM »
As a male of more than middle-aged years I have been largely insulated from the MLM pitches.  Lately a facebook friend has been trying very hard to interest me in Arbonne.  No idea what it is, I really have no interest.

I'm thinking about unfriending her.

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Re: No, I won't buy into your MLM
« Reply #549 on: October 20, 2017, 12:03:40 PM »
As a male of more than middle-aged years I have been largely insulated from the MLM pitches.  Lately a facebook friend has been trying very hard to interest me in Arbonne.  No idea what it is, I really have no interest.

I'm thinking about unfriending her.
Here I was thinking Argonne National Lab has an MLM venture.
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