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Re: Insane air conditioner use
« Reply #50 on: July 12, 2017, 04:09:52 PM »
As a CA native I am somewhat shocked and disgusted to hear that there are places out there that are so humid that black mold will grow if you don't climate-control a building. Gross! Remind me why people chose to settle places like that to begin with?

Because you can run AC/heat full blast in a McMansion there for the price of Bay Area housing? ;) That's what I'm guessing, anyway. (No malice, I grew up in the Bay Area, lived a while in IL-Chicago and Champaign, now in SoCal and hate it.)

Apparently many places in the Northeast use heating oil which is freakishly expensive instead of natural gas or electric even? Every geographical location is inefficient in its own way...
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« Reply #51 on: July 12, 2017, 05:12:42 PM »
With that being said, we have visited Orlando, Atlanta, etc... during the summer months and I honestly don't understand how people down there cope with it..even with A/C.  The humidity down there is overwhelming to me.  May be you 'get used to it' but I'm not so sure. 

I've lived in Orlando for roughly a month, having moved from Richmond, Virginia.  The summer heat and humidity in Richmond is WORSE than Orlando.  Also, Florida almost never goes above 100 degrees.  Richmond is guaranteed at least a collective week of triple-digit temperatures along with 95% humidity in summer.  It's hot here, but it's not nearly as swampy as it was in Richmond.  Thanks to ceiling fans we actually have the thermostat set higher than we did in Richmond, and we're quite comfortable. 
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Re: Insane air conditioner use
« Reply #52 on: July 12, 2017, 08:45:11 PM »
With that being said, we have visited Orlando, Atlanta, etc... during the summer months and I honestly don't understand how people down there cope with it..even with A/C.  The humidity down there is overwhelming to me.  May be you 'get used to it' but I'm not so sure. 

I've lived in Orlando for roughly a month, having moved from Richmond, Virginia.  The summer heat and humidity in Richmond is WORSE than Orlando.  Also, Florida almost never goes above 100 degrees.  Richmond is guaranteed at least a collective week of triple-digit temperatures along with 95% humidity in summer.  It's hot here, but it's not nearly as swampy as it was in Richmond.  Thanks to ceiling fans we actually have the thermostat set higher than we did in Richmond, and we're quite comfortable.

I always say that you can always add more layers during the winters up here...but there are only so many layers you can take off where it is hot and humid.  :-)


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« Reply #53 on: July 13, 2017, 02:37:58 AM »
When living in a very sunny place, can you not use solar panels for cooling down your house? At least you are getting sun in the right time of the year to use the solar panels to the max.
And of course people can learn to cool the house in natural ways as much as possible, like shielding windows in the hottest part of the day. Ventilating with open windows at night (if safe enough).

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Re: Insane air conditioner use
« Reply #54 on: July 13, 2017, 06:26:20 AM »
As a CA native I am somewhat shocked and disgusted to hear that there are places out there that are so humid that black mold will grow if you don't climate-control a building. Gross! Remind me why people chose to settle places like that to begin with?

I hear you.  Many people seem to believe that Minnesota is up near the arctic circle somewhere (no joke)...but that's certainly not the case!  Especially down here in southern MN.  Summers can be hot and humid..and it seems to be getting worse.  However, it is really only hot/humid a few weeks of the year.  Spring and Fall are really great here. 

With that being said, we have visited Orlando, Atlanta, etc... during the summer months and I honestly don't understand how people down there cope with it..even with A/C.  The humidity down there is overwhelming to me.  May be you 'get used to it' but I'm not so sure.
As an OH native, not all of us can afford the cost of living in California with the jobs that are available... My house that I purchased for $55,000 in Ohio would be a $500k-$750k property in most parts of California.

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Re: Insane air conditioner use
« Reply #55 on: July 13, 2017, 07:56:13 AM »
When living in a very sunny place, can you not use solar panels for cooling down your house? At least you are getting sun in the right time of the year to use the solar panels to the max.
And of course people can learn to cool the house in natural ways as much as possible, like shielding windows in the hottest part of the day. Ventilating with open windows at night (if safe enough).

The initial buy-in and the break even for solar makes it difficult for many. It is getting more affordable every day.

Venting windows at night doesn't help when it's 90% humidity though. I drove my car to the train yesterday (2 miles) because I'd have shown up to work soaking wet if I didn't.

EDIT: For the Tesla Roof, I could not make it make sense... Well, ever really. Simply put, the technology is still too expensive when  you consider how cheap energy is. Thanks to our whole house fan in the summer and huge amounts of insulation in the attic for the winter, we really don't have horrible electricity bills. Average combined electric and gas over the past 10 months has been $118.87--and we keep our house a a high of 73 in the summer, and a low of 66 in the winter. So its not like we go crazy with it.

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Re: Insane air conditioner use
« Reply #56 on: July 13, 2017, 08:05:19 AM »
When living in a very sunny place, can you not use solar panels for cooling down your house? At least you are getting sun in the right time of the year to use the solar panels to the max.
And of course people can learn to cool the house in natural ways as much as possible, like shielding windows in the hottest part of the day. Ventilating with open windows at night (if safe enough).

The initial buy-in and the break even for solar makes it difficult for many. It is getting more affordable every day.

Venting windows at night doesn't help when it's 90% humidity though. I drove my car to the train yesterday (2 miles) because I'd have shown up to work soaking wet if I didn't.

Yep - Everyone seems to always mention the temperature.  However, it is high humidity that makes  things uncomfortable.  It sounds Cliche but I can handle the 'dry heat' down in Utah/Arizona (within reason) much better than 'wet heat' in the SE states.




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Re: Insane air conditioner use
« Reply #57 on: July 13, 2017, 08:15:13 AM »
When living in a very sunny place, can you not use solar panels for cooling down your house? At least you are getting sun in the right time of the year to use the solar panels to the max.
And of course people can learn to cool the house in natural ways as much as possible, like shielding windows in the hottest part of the day. Ventilating with open windows at night (if safe enough).

The initial buy-in and the break even for solar makes it difficult for many. It is getting more affordable every day.

Venting windows at night doesn't help when it's 90% humidity though. I drove my car to the train yesterday (2 miles) because I'd have shown up to work soaking wet if I didn't.

Yep - Everyone seems to always mention the temperature.  However, it is high humidity that makes  things uncomfortable.  It sounds Cliche but I can handle the 'dry heat' down in Utah/Arizona (within reason) much better than 'wet heat' in the SE states.

For the sake of the discussion I'll bring this up--when we go on vacation, I program our AC to be set at about 83 for most of the day, but for 15 minutes at 3PM, 15 minutes at 9PM, and 30 minutes at 7AM it is set at about 64 to control the humidity. I should really get a dehumidifier.

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Re: Insane air conditioner use
« Reply #58 on: July 13, 2017, 08:32:01 AM »
When living in a very sunny place, can you not use solar panels for cooling down your house? At least you are getting sun in the right time of the year to use the solar panels to the max.
And of course people can learn to cool the house in natural ways as much as possible, like shielding windows in the hottest part of the day. Ventilating with open windows at night (if safe enough).


Venting windows at night doesn't help when it's 90% humidity though. I drove my car to the train yesterday (2 miles) because I'd have shown up to work soaking wet if I didn't.

I believe opening windows will actually make everything even worse. Not an AC expert, but I've read that basically when you turn your AC on, it has to work a crap ton extra humidity out of your house. At this point my windows are going to be closed until September unless I accidentally set something on fire in the kitchen (which happened this last weekend actually....)



I walk a mile every day for work. I'm definitely sticky and damp by the time I make it to the train station.

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Re: Insane air conditioner use
« Reply #59 on: July 13, 2017, 09:51:41 AM »
As a CA native I am somewhat shocked and disgusted to hear that there are places out there that are so humid that black mold will grow if you don't climate-control a building. Gross! Remind me why people chose to settle places like that to begin with?

Because you can run AC/heat full blast in a McMansion there for the price of Bay Area housing? ;) That's what I'm guessing, anyway. (No malice, I grew up in the Bay Area, lived a while in IL-Chicago and Champaign, now in SoCal and hate it.)

Apparently many places in the Northeast use heating oil which is freakishly expensive instead of natural gas or electric even? Every geographical location is inefficient in its own way...

Not just the Northeast uses heating oil it is actually quite common in the Midwest. My house has heating oil and for us to convert it to natural gas would be several thousands of dollars and it would never pay for itself. So we keep the heating oil which is pretty cheap right now because it directly tracks diesel prices(it is non road taxed diesel). We did however add a TON of new insulation and keep our house pretty cool in the winter and warm in the summer so our heating and cooling costs are pretty low and will be lower this year!

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Re: Insane air conditioner use
« Reply #60 on: July 13, 2017, 10:48:30 AM »
As a CA native I am somewhat shocked and disgusted to hear that there are places out there that are so humid that black mold will grow if you don't climate-control a building. Gross! Remind me why people chose to settle places like that to begin with?

Because you can run AC/heat full blast in a McMansion there for the price of Bay Area housing? ;) That's what I'm guessing, anyway. (No malice, I grew up in the Bay Area, lived a while in IL-Chicago and Champaign, now in SoCal and hate it.)

Apparently many places in the Northeast use heating oil which is freakishly expensive instead of natural gas or electric even? Every geographical location is inefficient in its own way...

Not just the Northeast uses heating oil it is actually quite common in the Midwest. My house has heating oil and for us to convert it to natural gas would be several thousands of dollars and it would never pay for itself. So we keep the heating oil which is pretty cheap right now because it directly tracks diesel prices(it is non road taxed diesel). We did however add a TON of new insulation and keep our house pretty cool in the winter and warm in the summer so our heating and cooling costs are pretty low and will be lower this year!
Interesting, I never encountered it in IL or IA bit of course I haven't been to every house :) I was remembering over or more posts from people in MA, VT, or NH citing oil costs of hundreds per month! Compared to our NG heating of a small, poorly isolated house in IL that seemed huge and awful!

Now in SoCal our heating cost is...whatever bf's space heater runs up when he works from home, and our AC runs...maybe the equivalent to ~3 weeks continuous, per year? Barely a blip on the bill. But rent is 1.5x-twice the Midwest equivalent...

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« Reply #61 on: July 13, 2017, 10:54:39 AM »
As a CA native I am somewhat shocked and disgusted to hear that there are places out there that are so humid that black mold will grow if you don't climate-control a building. Gross! Remind me why people chose to settle places like that to begin with?

Because you can run AC/heat full blast in a McMansion there for the price of Bay Area housing? ;) That's what I'm guessing, anyway. (No malice, I grew up in the Bay Area, lived a while in IL-Chicago and Champaign, now in SoCal and hate it.)

Apparently many places in the Northeast use heating oil which is freakishly expensive instead of natural gas or electric even? Every geographical location is inefficient in its own way...

Not just the Northeast uses heating oil it is actually quite common in the Midwest. My house has heating oil and for us to convert it to natural gas would be several thousands of dollars and it would never pay for itself. So we keep the heating oil which is pretty cheap right now because it directly tracks diesel prices(it is non road taxed diesel). We did however add a TON of new insulation and keep our house pretty cool in the winter and warm in the summer so our heating and cooling costs are pretty low and will be lower this year!
Interesting, I never encountered it in IL or IA bit of course I haven't been to every house :) I was remembering over or more posts from people in MA, VT, or NH citing oil costs of hundreds per month! Compared to our NG heating of a small, poorly isolated house in IL that seemed huge and awful!

Now in SoCal our heating cost is...whatever bf's space heater runs up when he works from home, and our AC runs...maybe the equivalent to ~3 weeks continuous, per year? Barely a blip on the bill. But rent is 1.5x-twice the Midwest equivalent...

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I live in northern Minnesota so maybe a Minnesota thing? Our heating bill last year for a 1100 sf very poorly insulated home was around $150 a month in the coldest months. Were hoping that all the insulation will bring it down under $100 depending on gas prices for the year. It is an odd thing to have to plan for because I have to get 250 gallons of oil usually 2 times a year.

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Re: Insane air conditioner use
« Reply #62 on: July 13, 2017, 11:18:09 AM »
As a CA native I am somewhat shocked and disgusted to hear that there are places out there that are so humid that black mold will grow if you don't climate-control a building. Gross! Remind me why people chose to settle places like that to begin with?

Because you can run AC/heat full blast in a McMansion there for the price of Bay Area housing? ;) That's what I'm guessing, anyway. (No malice, I grew up in the Bay Area, lived a while in IL-Chicago and Champaign, now in SoCal and hate it.)

Apparently many places in the Northeast use heating oil which is freakishly expensive instead of natural gas or electric even? Every geographical location is inefficient in its own way...

Not just the Northeast uses heating oil it is actually quite common in the Midwest. My house has heating oil and for us to convert it to natural gas would be several thousands of dollars and it would never pay for itself. So we keep the heating oil which is pretty cheap right now because it directly tracks diesel prices(it is non road taxed diesel). We did however add a TON of new insulation and keep our house pretty cool in the winter and warm in the summer so our heating and cooling costs are pretty low and will be lower this year!
Interesting, I never encountered it in IL or IA bit of course I haven't been to every house :) I was remembering over or more posts from people in MA, VT, or NH citing oil costs of hundreds per month! Compared to our NG heating of a small, poorly isolated house in IL that seemed huge and awful!


In various small towns around Champaign and Bloomington, I've seen and/or heard about people heating their house with wood, propane, oil, and with methane sourced from a methane well on their property.

Obviously that is not including the "normal" ways of natural gas and electricity.

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« Reply #63 on: July 14, 2017, 03:07:33 PM »


... (seriously, why the fuck would anyone choose BLACK to go on their roof?!)

We got a dark brown metal roof because it made sense for our area.  Less then 2 weeks/year total with a high over 85F so the AC effects are minimal.  It helps a lot with roof snow loads.  Snow loads can be a big deal around here, and it's a huge pain with 2-story roofs.  Combine dark color with metal and a decent pitch and the snow just falls off on warmer days.

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