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« Reply #100 on: December 29, 2016, 09:38:06 PM »
Could you please explain where you get the information that a typical housekeeper makes a fair wage with a flexible schedule and appreciative clients who always pay on time? That certainly doesn't match what I've read in either academic or non-academic (e.g., Nickel & Dimed) sources.
First, I don't think Nickle & Dimed was a particularly credible source.  The author made up her mind what she was going to find, and then she went out and found it.  As someone who's actually been poor, I assure you, she put effort into earning a low wage, but she put no effort into figuring out how poor people make it day-to-day. 

Putting that aside, I had a teacher friend who left teaching for 2-3 years and cleaned a couple businesses in the evenings.  She made this choice because she had one child ... and then had a second "oops" baby only a year later.  With two boys so young, the daycare was too much for her teacher salary, yet she still needed some income.  She and her husband worked out a situation in which they didn't need day care:  She was home with the boys all day, then her husband came home and she went out a couple nights a week to do commercial cleaning.  When she came back to teaching, she talked about it at length.  She said that she made almost as much money as she did teaching ... and she worked fewer hours.  However, she was anxious to come back to teaching because she and her husband had so little whole-family time together, and it meant she was essentially doing "two shifts" each day -- one at home, one at an after-hours job, which was hard on her.  And the biggie:  She was receiving ONLY a paycheck, no benefits, no years built towards her pension.  But she said she liked the work okay. 

Disclaimers:  My friend is white, American-born and college educated.  She possessed reliable transportation, could pass a drug test, had no criminal record, and could provide excellent job references.  And she is a native English speaker.  In other words, she probably commanded the highest possible wages for a cleaning person.

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« Reply #101 on: December 29, 2016, 09:48:24 PM »
The entire concept of "deserving" or not "deserving" objects is nonsense.  You can afford it or you can't.  I think your mother will still love you regardless of your material possessions.
Yet it's clearly a marketing technique that works.  McDonalds, I think, did it first with "You deserve a break today". 

I think I agree that this is a technique that works on women.  Many women will drop money on their kids in a heartbeat, will buy nice things for their husbands and houses ... but will think twice, three times, four times before splurging on themselves.  For women who fall into this type of mentality, hearing "you deserve it" is permission to spend. 

I think it's also aimed at low-income people. 

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« Reply #102 on: January 01, 2017, 10:28:30 PM »
Clothing is only an investment if it makes you money. If she's "investing" in her appearance, it means...
Well, clothing is a necessity, and it's easy to let the word "investment" slide into everyday shopping -- when you're talking about something like a good wool coat that might last you more than a decade.  Or when you're talking about buying the better-quality suit.  And if you're expected to dress professionally for your job, clothing can be an "investment" in that you can expect to use these things to convey the necessary image at your job.  Ultimately, it makes more sense to say that item of clothing was a "good spend".

I thought about what you said, and you're right. People are sometimes not hired, or denied promotions or raises, based in part on appearance. Clothing can be an aspect of that appearance. In many jobs there's going to be a minimum level of presentation required beneath which a person is penalized for being poorly dressed. A few extra dollars to get a person over that line if he or she is beneath it will definitely pay off, and that *does* meet the defnition of investment.

But I'm not as certain that there's a corresponding boost at the higher end of the scale, where a person can dress their way to promotion.
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« Reply #103 on: January 01, 2017, 11:03:48 PM »
UGH... Anyone who makes money teaching other people how to make money living an extravagant lifestyle and working 4 hours per week... how do these people continue to exist...?

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« Reply #104 on: January 02, 2017, 12:54:47 AM »
UGH... Anyone who makes money teaching other people how to make money living an extravagant lifestyle and working 4 hours per week... how do these people continue to exist...?
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« Reply #105 on: January 03, 2017, 08:18:55 AM »
Clothing is only an investment if it makes you money. If she's "investing" in her appearance, it means...
Well, clothing is a necessity, and it's easy to let the word "investment" slide into everyday shopping -- when you're talking about something like a good wool coat that might last you more than a decade.  Or when you're talking about buying the better-quality suit.  And if you're expected to dress professionally for your job, clothing can be an "investment" in that you can expect to use these things to convey the necessary image at your job.  Ultimately, it makes more sense to say that item of clothing was a "good spend".

I thought about what you said, and you're right. People are sometimes not hired, or denied promotions or raises, based in part on appearance. Clothing can be an aspect of that appearance. In many jobs there's going to be a minimum level of presentation required beneath which a person is penalized for being poorly dressed. A few extra dollars to get a person over that line if he or she is beneath it will definitely pay off, and that *does* meet the defnition of investment.

But I'm not as certain that there's a corresponding boost at the higher end of the scale, where a person can dress their way to promotion.
I agree:  Without appearing professional (and clothing IS a big part of that), you may find that the door to the job you want is closed.  And once you have the job, you must maintain the company's professional image; however, I totally agree that you can't dress your way to a promotion -- once you're in the job, productivity and achievements are necessary to propel you ahead. 

I also agree with the comment "a few extra dollars".  Spending a little more to get the quality shoes that'll last five years instead of one year makes sense; spending a little more to get the coat that really looks good on you and will last a decade is better than making do with the ratty old windbreaker that you wore to college football games.  But when you get into the realm of designer names, you're paying for ego instead of quality. 

It's a fine line to walk.   

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« Reply #106 on: January 03, 2017, 11:05:57 AM »
Clothing is only an investment if it makes you money. If she's "investing" in her appearance, it means...
Well, clothing is a necessity, and it's easy to let the word "investment" slide into everyday shopping -- when you're talking about something like a good wool coat that might last you more than a decade.  Or when you're talking about buying the better-quality suit.  And if you're expected to dress professionally for your job, clothing can be an "investment" in that you can expect to use these things to convey the necessary image at your job.  Ultimately, it makes more sense to say that item of clothing was a "good spend".

I thought about what you said, and you're right. People are sometimes not hired, or denied promotions or raises, based in part on appearance. Clothing can be an aspect of that appearance. In many jobs there's going to be a minimum level of presentation required beneath which a person is penalized for being poorly dressed. A few extra dollars to get a person over that line if he or she is beneath it will definitely pay off, and that *does* meet the defnition of investment.

But I'm not as certain that there's a corresponding boost at the higher end of the scale, where a person can dress their way to promotion.
I agree:  Without appearing professional (and clothing IS a big part of that), you may find that the door to the job you want is closed.  And once you have the job, you must maintain the company's professional image; however, I totally agree that you can't dress your way to a promotion -- once you're in the job, productivity and achievements are necessary to propel you ahead. 

I also agree with the comment "a few extra dollars".  Spending a little more to get the quality shoes that'll last five years instead of one year makes sense; spending a little more to get the coat that really looks good on you and will last a decade is better than making do with the ratty old windbreaker that you wore to college football games.  But when you get into the realm of designer names, you're paying for ego instead of quality. 

It's a fine line to walk.   

Also, as a woman, paying for ONE pair of quality heels that are comfortable to stand in for 8 hours straight and don't leave you limping (because limping along behind your male colleagues because your shoes hurt your feet = problem) is worth it (Cole Haan. 200$. 5 years of regular wear and still good but not needed at my current job). Having 6 pairs of 'investment' shoes is NOT an investment.

There's a quality issue, but also a QUANTITY issue.

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« Reply #107 on: January 03, 2017, 11:45:04 AM »
Clothing is only an investment if it makes you money. If she's "investing" in her appearance, it means...
Well, clothing is a necessity, and it's easy to let the word "investment" slide into everyday shopping -- when you're talking about something like a good wool coat that might last you more than a decade.  Or when you're talking about buying the better-quality suit.  And if you're expected to dress professionally for your job, clothing can be an "investment" in that you can expect to use these things to convey the necessary image at your job.  Ultimately, it makes more sense to say that item of clothing was a "good spend".

I thought about what you said, and you're right. People are sometimes not hired, or denied promotions or raises, based in part on appearance. Clothing can be an aspect of that appearance. In many jobs there's going to be a minimum level of presentation required beneath which a person is penalized for being poorly dressed. A few extra dollars to get a person over that line if he or she is beneath it will definitely pay off, and that *does* meet the defnition of investment.

But I'm not as certain that there's a corresponding boost at the higher end of the scale, where a person can dress their way to promotion.
I agree:  Without appearing professional (and clothing IS a big part of that), you may find that the door to the job you want is closed.  And once you have the job, you must maintain the company's professional image; however, I totally agree that you can't dress your way to a promotion -- once you're in the job, productivity and achievements are necessary to propel you ahead. 

I also agree with the comment "a few extra dollars".  Spending a little more to get the quality shoes that'll last five years instead of one year makes sense; spending a little more to get the coat that really looks good on you and will last a decade is better than making do with the ratty old windbreaker that you wore to college football games.  But when you get into the realm of designer names, you're paying for ego instead of quality. 

It's a fine line to walk.   

Also, as a woman, paying for ONE pair of quality heels that are comfortable to stand in for 8 hours straight and don't leave you limping (because limping along behind your male colleagues because your shoes hurt your feet = problem) is worth it (Cole Haan. 200$. 5 years of regular wear and still good but not needed at my current job). Having 6 pairs of 'investment' shoes is NOT an investment.

There's a quality issue, but also a QUANTITY issue.

There are definitely lots of things that are expensive that are nonetheless "good buys" because they provide a benefit that justifies the cost (although it should be noted that the ability to carefully "buy it for life" is something only the relatively wealthy, globally speaking, can really afford to do).  But this woman is clearly not making those sorts of careful decisions about utility and quality, she's making decisions based on how purchases make her FEEL as a WOMAN based on VIBRATIONS from the UNIVERSE.  That she ends up with quality bras and work clothes out of the deal seems like kind of a fringe bonus.

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« Reply #108 on: January 03, 2017, 01:08:00 PM »
Clothing is only an investment if it makes you money. If she's "investing" in her appearance, it means...
Well, clothing is a necessity, and it's easy to let the word "investment" slide into everyday shopping -- when you're talking about something like a good wool coat that might last you more than a decade.  Or when you're talking about buying the better-quality suit.  And if you're expected to dress professionally for your job, clothing can be an "investment" in that you can expect to use these things to convey the necessary image at your job.  Ultimately, it makes more sense to say that item of clothing was a "good spend".

I thought about what you said, and you're right. People are sometimes not hired, or denied promotions or raises, based in part on appearance. Clothing can be an aspect of that appearance. In many jobs there's going to be a minimum level of presentation required beneath which a person is penalized for being poorly dressed. A few extra dollars to get a person over that line if he or she is beneath it will definitely pay off, and that *does* meet the defnition of investment.

But I'm not as certain that there's a corresponding boost at the higher end of the scale, where a person can dress their way to promotion.
I agree:  Without appearing professional (and clothing IS a big part of that), you may find that the door to the job you want is closed.  And once you have the job, you must maintain the company's professional image; however, I totally agree that you can't dress your way to a promotion -- once you're in the job, productivity and achievements are necessary to propel you ahead. 

I also agree with the comment "a few extra dollars".  Spending a little more to get the quality shoes that'll last five years instead of one year makes sense; spending a little more to get the coat that really looks good on you and will last a decade is better than making do with the ratty old windbreaker that you wore to college football games.  But when you get into the realm of designer names, you're paying for ego instead of quality. 

It's a fine line to walk.   

I agree that a professional image is important. I have to dress professionally for my job, but I do it on a low budget. My clothes come from thrift stores and closeout stores. My big score this year was a gorgeous,  high quality wool coat with the $500 Nordstram tags still attached for $20. I love when I find quality at a low price.

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« Reply #109 on: January 04, 2017, 06:56:38 AM »
I agree that a professional image is important. I have to dress professionally for my job, but I do it on a low budget. My clothes come from thrift stores and closeout stores. My big score this year was a gorgeous,  high quality wool coat with the $500 Nordstram tags still attached for $20. I love when I find quality at a low price.

Gah... I paid that much just to have my pea coat custom fitted to me!
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« Reply #110 on: January 04, 2017, 07:22:05 PM »
I agree that a professional image is important. I have to dress professionally for my job, but I do it on a low budget. My clothes come from thrift stores and closeout stores. My big score this year was a gorgeous,  high quality wool coat with the $500 Nordstram tags still attached for $20. I love when I find quality at a low price.

Gah... I paid that much just to have my pea coat custom fitted to me!

Amazingly, it fit perfectly. The gray/green color wouldn't have been my first choice, but it has grown on me.

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« Reply #111 on: January 06, 2017, 08:28:41 AM »
Also, as a woman, paying for ONE pair of quality heels that are comfortable to stand in for 8 hours straight and don't leave you limping (because limping along behind your male colleagues because your shoes hurt your feet = problem) is worth it (Cole Haan. 200$. 5 years of regular wear and still good but not needed at my current job). Having 6 pairs of 'investment' shoes is NOT an investment.

There's a quality issue, but also a QUANTITY issue.
I have some foot problems, so I do pay more for my shoes now; however, I agree with you that shoes hurting your feet = problem, even if you're not talking about limping behind your colleagues (male or female).  My daughter, who's a nurse, says that you have to take care of your feet ... because foot problems lead to ankle, knee and hip problems, which lead to surgery and/or decreased mobility, which leads to all sorts of issues. 

I don't know that I agree that ONE pair of good quality shoes is enough.  Rotating your shoes /giving them a chance to completely dry out from foot sweat makes them last longer.  I do stand pretty much all day, every day, and I'd say 2-3 pair of work shoes is reasonable.  I'm not keeping records, but I think I'm getting more than five years of use from my shoes. 

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« Reply #112 on: January 06, 2017, 08:35:11 AM »
All face-punching aside, as a dude who has chronically tight muscles and always has bits that hurt, I would kill a man to have 2x massages a week.
As someone who screwed up her back, I'm with you.  I get massages once every 4 weeks just to be able to work.  I do, however, pay for them through my HSA because I have a MD note saying it is medically required.  Might help?

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« Reply #113 on: January 06, 2017, 09:06:24 AM »
Also, as a woman, paying for ONE pair of quality heels that are comfortable to stand in for 8 hours straight and don't leave you limping (because limping along behind your male colleagues because your shoes hurt your feet = problem) is worth it (Cole Haan. 200$. 5 years of regular wear and still good but not needed at my current job). Having 6 pairs of 'investment' shoes is NOT an investment.

There's a quality issue, but also a QUANTITY issue.
I have some foot problems, so I do pay more for my shoes now; however, I agree with you that shoes hurting your feet = problem, even if you're not talking about limping behind your colleagues (male or female).  My daughter, who's a nurse, says that you have to take care of your feet ... because foot problems lead to ankle, knee and hip problems, which lead to surgery and/or decreased mobility, which leads to all sorts of issues. 

I don't know that I agree that ONE pair of good quality shoes is enough.  Rotating your shoes /giving them a chance to completely dry out from foot sweat makes them last longer.  I do stand pretty much all day, every day, and I'd say 2-3 pair of work shoes is reasonable.  I'm not keeping records, but I think I'm getting more than five years of use from my shoes.

Oh, sure, I own more than 1 pair of work shoes (I think I'd say that I wear 4 pairs in regular rotation, depending on weather and outfit). But, while I can justify an obscene amount of money (aka: that 200$ I mentioned) on heels that are corporate-appropriate and don't hurt my feet... I have NO intention of wearing heels every day, and even less intention of spending 200$ on 4 pairs of shoes. The other shoes I have are flats that are comfortable, don't hurt my feet, are generally supportive, look really nice, and cost around 50$/pair. And most are 5-6 years old and look great, even with the semi-regular wear.

It's the 'I NEED a 6th pair of heels at this price point, it's an INVESTMENT' attitude that I'm side-eyeing.

I think what also helps balance things is that we have a household clothing budget, not an individual clothing budget. So purchases require a use case, basically. "I need another t-shirt to make it through laundry days" or"these shoes are wearing out and can't be fixed and this pair fits these needs and is on sale" are easy sells to Spouse. "I need a 6th pair of shoes for... Reasons..." not so much. And that goes both ways.

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« Reply #114 on: June 09, 2018, 10:00:40 AM »
For whatever reason this thread came to mind today and I thought I'd see what the blogger quoted in the OP is up to, given the "hundreds of thousands spent on coaching".

Supposedly a radio host, the most recent podcast is from 2 years ago.
Website says they are hiring for a new position, the deadline to apply is a year ago.
The home page of her website is advertising events where she connects you with the spirit of your dead loved ones, but there are no upcoming events.
Her FB page describes her as an entrepreneur, best-selling author and spirit medium.

The spirit medium thing must be new, it's not part of her bio on Amazon for her one book.

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« Reply #115 on: June 10, 2018, 07:52:10 AM »
As a woman the only things I could see myself "investing" in are items that impact my physical health:

Good bras prevent neck/back pain - crucial, I get mine from Soma
Quality good-fitting shoes as mentioned above prevent many whole body issues - not practicing this currently as I wear the same pair of flats from payless everyday which is horrible for me
Massages - may do these eventually. I could see them being extremely helpful releasing tension and also being a mild mental health improvement

Agree that seeing most of the items she talks about as "investments" are just excuses to spend and would appeal to the mass female audience.

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« Reply #116 on: June 14, 2018, 07:21:14 PM »
For whatever reason this thread came to mind today and I thought I'd see what the blogger quoted in the OP is up to, given the "hundreds of thousands spent on coaching".

Supposedly a radio host, the most recent podcast is from 2 years ago.
Website says they are hiring for a new position, the deadline to apply is a year ago.
The home page of her website is advertising events where she connects you with the spirit of your dead loved ones, but there are no upcoming events.
Her FB page describes her as an entrepreneur, best-selling author and spirit medium.

The spirit medium thing must be new, it's not part of her bio on Amazon for her one book.
Stephanie reinvents herself periodically, and she seems active on Facebook and
Insta. Maybe she abandoned that website and that is not good for her image.

 She  is all over Facebook and Insta and etc, still selling the same dumb crap which appears to be motivational marketing for clients’ businesses. She is a “business coach.” Whatever that is.

She is the inspirational leader to anyone who will pay her fees.

I followed her for a while as part of a group on FB and it was the same stuff week after week, month after month, directed at her clients and wanna be clients.

For a while, the people who had been thru her tutoring all put out, on their social media, filmed posts of them sitting in their cars behind the steering wheel, yakking at the camera. I think this was supposed to illustrate what Busy Professional Women they were. It was just funny.

Hi Stephanie! She may trace  traffic from MMM to her sites and chck us out.

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« Reply #117 on: June 14, 2018, 09:25:53 PM »
*eye roll* someone should tell them that Busy Professional Women mostly spend their time in meetings and conference calls while trying to stay on top of emails.  It's pretty unglamorous.

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« Reply #118 on: June 18, 2018, 06:06:52 AM »
*eye roll* someone should tell them that Busy Professional Women mostly spend their time in meetings and conference calls while trying to stay on top of emails.  It's pretty unglamorous.

+1 to that :-)

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« Reply #119 on: June 20, 2018, 02:50:38 PM »
Did anyone notice that she's black?  The rules are very different, and as a saleswoman, she has to look not just good, but great. Everything has to be expensive and high quality to impress clients.

I have to admit I use house cleaners, and buy take out, and if I wanted them I'd have flowers and massages.  If I ever fly again, it'll be first class.  Guess I'm not that mustachian either.

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